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4 minutes ago, walnutz said:
3 minutes ago, The Noid said:

No, but I thought maybe she was the lady doing the chemical things that Oleg messed up (and that they showed in the "previously on" clips), but my wife says I'm wrong.  

2 minutes ago, walnutz said:

Don't want to spoil it for anyone but look more closely at the screen when she is laying on the steps and you will recognize who it was if you already did not. 

Just read Sepinwall's review and I was right, it was her (Tatiana.) 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, walnutz said:

Don't want to spoil it for anyone but look more closely at the screen when she is laying on the steps and you will recognize who it was if you already did not. 

Oh, I knew who it was after she was shot. I was talking about when Elizabeth first saw her and all you could see was blond hair. 

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Just now, Uruk-Hai said:

Oh, I knew who it was after she was shot. I was talking about when Elizabeth first saw her and all you could see was blond hair. 

Oh yeah Uruk - i was thinking the same thing. When the wig came off i should nor have been surprised at who it was but i kind of was. 

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I think it ends like this:

Paige, Henry and Phillip get away to Canada

Elizabeth sacrifices herself to help them get away

Stan repeats the cycle of not knowing what was under his nose the whole time when it's revealed (to the audience) his girlfriend is an illegal or some other plant 

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17 hours ago, Uruk-Hai said:

In meta terms, if last night was the last we see of Paige it would be fitting (same with Claudia). 

Paige is in the trailer for the season finale. I saw an interview with her, and she said the last scene they shot was in Staten Island at 4:30 am, and it was freezing outside. She said an unexpected blizzard started during their shooting, and they had to set up tents to make it look like it wasn't snowing, because they had already filmed half the scenes when there was no snow. She said they had to put their hand warmers up to their mouths so they could keep their lips warm so they could speak. 

She is a sophomore in college studying graphic design. She said her mom was born and raised in Ireland, her dad was born and raised in Scotland, they married and moved to England, his job took him to Canada where she was born, and then his job took him to NJ where she grew up. She said she has four passports, and that her real parents could be spies.

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On 5/18/2018 at 1:16 PM, PlasmaDogPlasma said:

I remembered Gregory, but not Curtis. After than scene in Roy Rogers I started thinking I should binge the whole show from the start again before the finale.

After that scene in Roy Rogers I started thinking I should binge Roy Rogers 

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2 hours ago, simey said:

Paige is in the trailer for the season finale. I saw an interview with her, and she said the last scene they shot was in Staten Island at 4:30 am, and it was freezing outside. She said an unexpected blizzard started during their shooting, and they had to set up tents to make it look like it wasn't snowing, because they had already filmed half the scenes when there was no snow. She said they had to put their hand warmers up to their mouths so they could keep their lips warm so they could speak. 

She is a sophomore in college studying graphic design. She said her mom was born and raised in Ireland, her dad was born and raised in Scotland, they married and moved to England, his job took him to Canada where she was born, and then his job took him to NJ where she grew up. She said she has four passports, and that her real parents could be spies.

spoilierish....

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On 5/21/2018 at 0:07 AM, Koya said:

Mmmmmm Double R and some fried chicken.

 

4 hours ago, jfranco77 said:

After that scene in Roy Rogers I started thinking I should binge Roy Rogers 

:shrug:

I've never even seen a Roy Rogers. Are they still in business?

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4 hours ago, PlasmaDogPlasma said:

 

I've never even seen a Roy Rogers. Are they still in business?

Have about a dozen or 20 locations left, including the NJ TPKE and NYS Thruway.

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Just ran off the last six episodes.

Geez, can't believe Philip slept with that young chick.  Rough scene.  The one who was going to Greece.

"You just wanted to bang her because you weren't getting enough action here."

Maybe the line of the season.

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51 minutes ago, Daywalker said:

 

"You just wanted to bang her because you weren't getting enough action here."

Maybe the line of the season.

Maybe, though Paige calling her mother a whore is right up there.

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46 minutes ago, Uruk-Hai said:

Maybe, though Paige calling her mother a whore is right up there.

Did you notice Keri Russell's forehead and eye veins popping out when she was having that argument with Paige?  About a year or so ago, I saw this interview with Keri, Matthew, and one of the showrunners, and they were talking about her forehead veins that pop out when she is mad. The editor wanted to edit out the veins on Keri's forehead to make her look prettier, and Keri said absolutely not. She said she didn't want to look pretty when she is mad. The showrunner said some critics call it her Emmy vein (although she has never won an Emmy for playing Elizabeth).

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32 minutes ago, simey said:

although she has never won an Emmy for playing Elizabeth

Needs to happen this year. Or is it too late already?

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1 hour ago, PlasmaDogPlasma said:

Needs to happen this year. Or is it too late already?

I think the next Emmys will be the show's last shot.

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I think Stan helps Oleg because Gorbachev is better for world peace, but the FBI superiors will see it as treasonous...

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On 5/25/2018 at 8:16 AM, simey said:

Paige is in the trailer for the season finale. I saw an interview with her, and she said the last scene they shot was in Staten Island at 4:30 am, and it was freezing outside. She said an unexpected blizzard started during their shooting, and they had to set up tents to make it look like it wasn't snowing, because they had already filmed half the scenes when there was no snow. She said they had to put their hand warmers up to their mouths so they could keep their lips warm so they could speak. 

She is a sophomore in college studying graphic design. She said her mom was born and raised in Ireland, her dad was born and raised in Scotland, they married and moved to England, his job took him to Canada where she was born, and then his job took him to NJ where she grew up. She said she has four passports, and that her real parents could be spies.

Oooooooh, Irish spies!  What are they after, secret boiled potato recipe?

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22 minutes ago, Fat Drunk and Stupid said:

Oooooooh, Irish spies!  What are they after, secret boiled potato recipe?

A lamb stew recipe. Clarice Starling is on the case for the FBI.

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1 hour ago, Rove! said:

I think Stan helps Oleg because Gorbachev is better for world peace, but the FBI superiors will see it as treasonous...

Renee rats him out in the ultimate final twist.

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7 hours ago, PlasmaDogPlasma said:

Needs to happen this year. Or is it too late already?

I think she gets the Emmy this year. She's been magnificent.

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Just caught up on the season last night, and the thread today.  

I'm stoked for the last episode, but also sad that its coming to an end.  

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On 2/2/2013 at 10:48 PM, Officer Pete Malloy said:

And BTW..thanks to Insein...I am going to come to this thread as often as possible and cockpunch this show.

I miss Tanner in this one. Guess it got good enough to not bother criticizing or boring enough to not bother criticizing.

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2 hours ago, Insein said:

I miss Tanner in this one. Guess it got good enough to not bother criticizing or boring enough to not bother criticizing.

Wasn't even sure if the show was still on.  

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:imsoexcited: :imsoscared:

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More sad that it's over than anything.

 

Good final episode overall, really the final two wrapping it up.  But there's a void now. 

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The episode, the season, the series . . . I loved it all. 

A somber--and fitting--farewell to one of my all-time faves.

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Thought it was great, but dumb question....I guess Paige will be on the run for the rest of her life?  From both the feds and the center?

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11 minutes ago, Tiger Fan said:

Thought it was great, but dumb question....I guess Paige will be on the run for the rest of her life?  From both the feds and the center?

She'll be interrogated but can't she act dumb? Like she didn't know anything. The only one who knows is Stan and he can't say anything.

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I thought the episode was really good. So sad. 

The whole time I was on edge thinking something terrible was going to happen. When the terribleness was much more subtle. 

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When Phillip said the last thing to Stan about Renee - I laughed out loud because it was so perfect. The perfect way to handle the issue.

And it just destroys Stan's marriage. Awful.

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14 minutes ago, whoknew said:

She'll be interrogated but can't she act dumb? Like she didn't know anything. The only one who knows is Stan and he can't say anything.

Yeah I guess she could just act dumb, but I would have to think the Centre would be after her ASAP (or at least until Philip and Elizabeth get the word to the right people in Russia about the Centre. 

It might be Paige’s best bet to ask Stan’s advice on witness protection :shrug:

 

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I thought for sure Stan was going to shoot Philip.

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1 hour ago, Tiger Fan said:

Yeah I guess she could just act dumb, but I would have to think the Centre would be after her ASAP (or at least until Philip and Elizabeth get the word to the right people in Russia about the Centre. 

It might be Paige’s best bet to ask Stan’s advice on witness protection :shrug:

 

Paige didn't run. Philip and Elizabeth took the easy way out. They knew their chances of living a decent life were much better in Russian than in America. Paige didn't. She could easily end up in jail the rest of her life, but I think she was the braver one in this case because her future is so uncertain, and she seemingly did it because she didn't want Henry to be alone. Philip and Elizabeth chose flight over fight. Elizabeth even tossed the cyanide pill in the dirt with Henry's passport. Even at the end I had a hard time feeling any sympathy for them. Like Stan said, they murdered countless people in the DC area, ruined their kids' lives and then Philip took the parting shot by mentioning Renee to Stan. And they got away with everything. 

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41 minutes ago, phandango said:

Paige didn't run. Philip and Elizabeth took the easy way out. They knew their chances of living a decent life were much better in Russian than in America. Paige didn't. She could easily end up in jail the rest of her life, but I think she was the braver one in this case because her future is so uncertain, and she seemingly did it because she didn't want Henry to be alone. Philip and Elizabeth chose flight over fight. Elizabeth even tossed the cyanide pill in the dirt with Henry's passport. Even at the end I had a hard time feeling any sympathy for them. Like Stan said, they murdered countless people in the DC area, ruined their kids' lives and then Philip took the parting shot by mentioning Renee to Stan. And they got away with everything. 

Or killed by the Soviets because of 'loose ends.'

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2 hours ago, FDAS said:

I thought for sure Stan was going to shoot Philip.

Dumb old Stan even had his gun down at one point before they left. You could give CrossEyed a week of training and he'd be a better FBI agent.

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2 hours ago, phandango said:

Paige didn't run. Philip and Elizabeth took the easy way out. They knew their chances of living a decent life were much better in Russian than in America. Paige didn't. She could easily end up in jail the rest of her life, but I think she was the braver one in this case because her future is so uncertain, and she seemingly did it because she didn't want Henry to be alone. Philip and Elizabeth chose flight over fight. Elizabeth even tossed the cyanide pill in the dirt with Henry's passport. Even at the end I had a hard time feeling any sympathy for them. Like Stan said, they murdered countless people in the DC area, ruined their kids' lives and then Philip took the parting shot by mentioning Renee to Stan. And they got away with everything. 

I agree that Paige basically chose Henry over her parents, who have done nothing but lie to her. I don't think Philip was taking a parting shot by mentioning to Stan the possibility of Renee being a spy. As a friend, he honestly wanted to warn him of his suspicions so that he doesn't get blindsided again. Of course, that sets up a torturous scenario that probably ruins the marriage if she isn't a spy. But her being a spy without him knowing is probably a worse outcome. Probably not telling him and her ending up not being a spy is the only good possible outcome, but Philip didn't really have time to plan this out. He was warning a friend he wasn't going to see again.

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What was so great about this end was the rays of sunshine and hope within the overwhelming melancholy. 

Stan going to see Henry was a perfect example. Uplifting as Stan was in many ways more a dad to Henry than Philip, and yet even as you were happy to see him more formally assume that role, it was to break the kids heart about his entire life. 

Even at the end, we had the sparring of the "wasted" efforts of Phil and Liz looking over the city back in Russia with the glimmer that in the end they DID have something to show for it - two kids, that they raised, who were now ready to be adults. 

 

And lets not forget the backdrop of the wall about to come down... the lost hope for Stan and Liz to see their children again or even come back to the states, the helplessness of Oleg facing life in prison, even Stans outcome potentially living with a spy... all that may get overturned as relations thaw. I think at the least I could see Oleg getting sent back to Russia with what is known at this point and what had been confirmed to Stan about his mission here.

In the end though, this was a story about Phil and Liz literally against the world. 

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Amazing last episode.

 

So much fun.  The scene with stan was perfect and the look in his eye when his boss said they had the apartment staked out was telling.  I loved how Philip mindeffed him as he was getting into the car.  Man everything was better than I could hope.  I do kindof wish Paige had one last interaction with the fat old handler at the apartment to give us closure there.

 

I honest to God thought they were going to end the show when they stopped the car and the camera would pan over their shoulders showing a McDonalds that they were looking at.  Kindof foreshadowing earlier and it would be a reveal that everything they did was in vain and they lost their kids.

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Very good final episode. I'm glad it didn't end with a shootout or some ridiculous race to leap across the border. And that it ended with Philip and Elizabeth together, since so much of the show revolved around their marriage. 

Many at the Centre are very unhappy with Elizabeth's recent actions - does she survive in Russia long enough to rebuild a decent life there?

Did Paige refuse to speak to Henry on the pay phone because she knew she would get off the train before crossing the border - didn't want the authorities to know she was with her parents if they were listening in, and wanted to be able to play innocent to Henry?

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1 minute ago, themeanmachine said:

Very good final episode. I'm glad it didn't end with a shootout or some ridiculous race to leap across the border. And that it ended with Philip and Elizabeth together, since so much of the show revolved around their marriage. 

Many at the Centre are very unhappy with Elizabeth's recent actions - does she survive in Russia long enough to rebuild a decent life there?

Did Paige refuse to speak to Henry on the pay phone because she knew she would get off the train before crossing the border - didn't want the authorities to know she was with her parents if they were listening in, and wanted to be able to play innocent to Henry?

Good call, this didn't even cross my mind.  I was thinking she just couldn't keep it together.

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30 minutes ago, Tiger Fan said:

Good call, this didn't even cross my mind.  I was thinking she just couldn't keep it together.

I initially thought like you but I was still thinking about the show trying to fall asleep last night and then had that same thought as TMM. Pretty awesome if that's the case, and I was hoping Sepinwall would have asked that in his wrap up with the creators.

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Those disguises shouldn't have held up.

Stan shouldn't have let them walk.

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Agree with most, very solid closing episode.  Maybe because I expected more mayhem and death, but I'm glad they didn't go that way. 

Philip and Elizabeth had no choice really.  Did they take the easy way out and run?  I guess you could look at it that way, but they had no other good option.  Life in jail or the possibility of a decent life somewhere.  Nobody is choosing jail.  They did what they had to do, pretty much like always.  My question is, why did they choose to go, or have to go, to Russia?  Their roots?  Most difficult place for the US to extract them from if they wanted to?  Why not just go hide out and build a new life somewhere in Europe or Asia?

The Stan and Philip exchange was perfectly done and I do think he was telling Stan about Renee as a friend. 

It was great that Paige went to the safe house to slam some vodka.  End of the day, I'm probably most satisfied by her decision over anyone else's.  She'll be there for her brother and I don't think her story ends by facing any kind of charges or whatever.  Maybe she has to worry about the Centre, but that's crumbling.  No chance she continues as a spy, right?

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4 minutes ago, Bobcat10 said:

Agree with most, very solid closing episode.  Maybe because I expected more mayhem and death, but I'm glad they didn't go that way. 

Philip and Elizabeth had no choice really.  Did they take the easy way out and run?  I guess you could look at it that way, but they had no other good option.  Life in jail or the possibility of a decent life somewhere.  Nobody is choosing jail.  They did what they had to do, pretty much like always.  My question is, why did they choose to go, or have to go, to Russia?  Their roots?  Most difficult place for the US to extract them from if they wanted to?  Why not just go hide out and build a new life somewhere in Europe or Asia?

The Stan and Philip exchange was perfectly done and I do think he was telling Stan about Renee as a friend. 

It was great that Paige went to the safe house to slam some vodka.  End of the day, I'm probably most satisfied by her decision over anyone else's.  She'll be there for her brother and I don't think her story ends by facing any kind of charges or whatever.  Maybe she has to worry about the Centre, but that's crumbling.  No chance she continues as a spy, right?

I think the #1 reason is that they wanted to get the message back re: Gorbachev.

If we assume that they do, it really makes Stan out to be the hero in all of this by letting them go.  

 

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24 minutes ago, Bobcat10 said:

The Stan and Philip exchange was perfectly done and I do think he was telling Stan about Renee as a friend. 

Confirmed in this interview:

So he is doing that purely out of kindness, and not as one last thing to throw Stan off balance so they can leave?

Weisberg: Oh, that never even occurred to us, Alan, that that’s an interpretation. In our minds, they feel that they’re probably going to get leave at that point, though they don’t know for sure. We thought of that as totally an act of friendship.

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11 minutes ago, Bobcat10 said:

No chance she continues as a spy, right?

Right. Her parents true identities are known now, and she will be under a watchful eye. I doubt the Centre would go after her to hurt her. She never really knew the true nature of their missions, because Claudia and Elizabeth talked those details when she would leave the room/apartment. She always knew the positive side of what they were doing as spies, except hearing what her parents told Stan about the Centre in the parking garage. She also thinks her parents never killed anyone. The Centre doesn't know she originally ran with her parents, and neither does the FBI (except for Stan). Stan would protect Paige, and Paige would protect Stan. 

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27 minutes ago, Tiger Fan said:

I think the #1 reason is that they wanted to get the message back re: Gorbachev.

If we assume that they do, it really makes Stan out to be the hero in all of this by letting them go.  

 

Yeah, Philip and Elizabeth had to get back to deliver the message themselves. 

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1 hour ago, identikit said:

Those disguises shouldn't have held up.

I liked this Q&A about their disguises.

Sometimes your costumes and wigs did a lot of the work. Did you have favorite and least favorite disguises?

Rhys: Anything with facial hair [drove] me nuts. You can't eat. You're restricted in the way you can talk, or act. Someone's poking your lip every four seconds to keep the piece stuck on. Having said that, my favorite disguise was probably this guy in the pilot who had a mustache and long hair. I liked to think he was Spanish.

Russell: He named him Fernando, and when he spoke off-camera, it was in the voice of Buzz Lightyear … you know that scene in Toy Story, when he got switched to Spanish?

Rhys: Your best was when you looked like John Denver.

Russell: Okay then, I'll say my favorite was John Denver, because that's hilarious. My least favorite was anything with a lot of makeup, that you just have to keep putting it on and on and on. I did like playing "Steph" a lot this year – the home care worker with a bad permed orange hair and terrible clothes. I could wear that costume around off the set, and just be invisible. I'd wear it to the grocery store.

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Total side point - but I thought Oleg's father did some great acting last night. Great Russian stoicism. 

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