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Continuous Rays thread: fun season (2 Viewers)

Well, no Morse. No FA options that look tempting for DH. Speculation in the Times today is Scott again or Delmon Young. Yeeeesh.Think I would go Delmon, as he's way more likely to play 120-130 games. Neither is a great player, but the guy who'd have to come up from the minors or off the bench is worse. But then again, Delmon is a lunatic so who knows.

 
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Rays corp partner Summit today....usual suspects with SIlverman, Friedman, Fernandez, Wills, Stu was sick....Jennings, Moore, and McGee from the players....some notes from Freidman:- expects to sign 1-2 more bats and 1 more arm- Moore and Cobb have been at off-season workouts every day. Freid says its become a point for all the pitchers to 'work like Sheildsie taught them'.- clubhouse leaders are Zobrist, Price, Longo- said that this FO will always have the philosophy that Starting Pitching is too difficult to trade for, so will continue to load up minor leagues with SP prospects.Price was of course a topic. He was pretty blunt. Its possible for this team with its current structure to sign 2 big players long-term, but talked about what that does to the other 23 and didn't make it sound very probable. Said it will be about what David wants or thinks is important. Didn't sound very promising to me.Silverman talked about the stadium issue....although the lease is thru '27 as we always hear, the bonds are payed off in '16 or '17. Sounds like Downtown is definitely the target area in Tampa.

 
Good stuff gump. Hopefully a deal with Tampa gets worked out soon. Rays re-sign Scott and Farnworth today. Not sure what Scott has left.

 
Good stuff gump. Hopefully a deal with Tampa gets worked out soon.
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Isn't there land to be had right near the Times Forum? That would pretty much be perfect.
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Yes. There is a bunch of land directly north of the Forum that could be used for sure....maybe other spots. Something is going on behind the scenes between the Rays and Jeff Vinik too, the Lightning owner. They call that area 'Vinik-ville' now, because he's bought up property around the Forum....and wants to revive the Channelside entertainment area. There are also whispers of Sternberg selling to Vinik, then buying another team. I know for a fact there is a strong relationship between the two front offices. (Neither get along with the Bucs by the way.)
 
As amazing as Sternberg has been, Vinik buying the Rays would be phenomenal. We'd lose the first-class front office (but based off the Lightning he would make a great hire) but the constant threats would be gone and that guy has the cache to get a stadium deal done.

 
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Getting pretty tired of Bill Foster saying he's everybody's whipping boy for the Rays stadium issue. Does he really think St. Pete businesses would lose millions if the Rays moved across the bay? What are they losing now with current game attendance?

 
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Getting pretty tired of Bill Foster saying he's everybody's whipping boy for the Rays stadium issue. Does he really think St. Pete businesses would lose millions if the Rays moved across the bay? What are they losing now with current game attendance?
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The Rays are still pushing the idea of retail being built in the Trops place....Silverman talked about a Cabellas, Bass Pro Shop, plus a strip center and more residences. I don't know how the funding would work for that.
 
New Signing Limits Put Free Spending Rays in Their Place

by Dave Cameron - February 11, 2013

Last summer, Major League teams had to operate under the new rules imposed on amateur signings put in place by the CBA last winter. While international free agents had previously signed for whatever the market would grant, MLB imposed a $2.9 million spending cap on each Major League team. As Ben Badler noted over at Baseball America today, however, the Rays exceeded the limit and are going to face some significant penalties for doing so:

The CBA limited every team to a $2.9 million bonus pool for the 2012-13 international signing period that began on July 2. The strongest penalty in the CBA is that any team that exceeds its international bonus pool by 15 percent or more will pay a 100 percent tax on the overage and won’t be able to sign a player for more than $250,000 during the 2013-14 signing period. Since July 2, the Rays already have spent more than $3.7 million (not counting players signed for $50,000 or less, since there are exemptions for those players), which is 28 percent beyond their international pool.

As a result, the Rays won’t be able to sign anyone next year for more than $250,000 and probably won’t make any major international splashes until July 2 either because of the tax. Going well beyond the bonus pool is a curious move, but the Rays did pull in a considerable amount of talent, including arguably the two best 16-year-old pitchers on the market. Given that their 90-win season last year will give them one of the lower bonus pools for the 2013-14 signing period, which many scouts believe is shaping up to be a down year for international talent, perhaps it will be a worthwhile gambit.

The 100% tax means that the Rays will owe the league an extra $800,000, which isn’t a huge penalty, but the inability to sign any player for more than $250,000 next summer is a significant issue, and continues to show why the current international limits simply don’t work to promote competitive balance.

The main issue here is that a team’s future spending allowance is tied to its previous season Major League record. As Badler notes, MLB is going to a sliding scale beginning this summer, with losing teams receiving much larger pools for international free agency than winning teams. The idea is to have this system model the domestic amateur draft, where the bonus pools are tied to overall sections, and teams with the highest picks — due to having losing records during the prior year — getting the largest bonus pools.

This penalty for the Ryas shows why that system sets up some faulty incentives, however. Because win-loss record is used as the baseline for the pool allotments, the low-revenue Rays were classified as a team that needed to have their international spending constrained, theoretically in order to promote competitive balance. Meanwhile, some of the largest bonus pools this summer are going to go to the Red Sox, Mets, and Cubs, each of whom put losing teams on the field last year despite their significant revenue advantages.

The Rays are essentially being punished for their success, while large payroll failures get rewarded with extra opportunities to load up on their farm system because they mismanaged their big league roster for so long. Instead of promoting competitive balance, this system puts a ceiling on how much money a low-revenue team can invest while placing a net underneath large revenue clubs who have squandered their financial advantage.

The idea of sliding scale pools for international spending — and the draft, as well — is a good one. Tying the baseline to the team’s prior year winning percentage is the heart of the problem. If the goal is to reduce the revenue advantages of large market clubs, then the sliding scales should be based on revenue, not on wins and losses. Allow the clubs that can’t keep up with the largest Major League payrolls to have an advantage in prospect development, so that they can offset (to some degree) the payroll disparities that exist at the Major League level. Instead of tying the pool amounts to previous season win-loss record, simply tie them to some kind of proxy for financial advantage. MLB already calculates these kinds of formulas for revenue sharing purposes, so they already have instruments that would allow them to scale the bonus pools based on each team’s financial resources.

That kind of system would actually serve to give the lower revenue clubs an actual advantage in player development. Right now, teams like the Rays are forced to choose between winning and development, and tying the bonus pools to a team’s record forces them to make decisions like the one the Rays made last summer. That’s not in the best interests of competitive balance, and it’s a relatively easy fix. Major League Baseball has done a lot of good things to help smaller market clubs compete; they shouldn’t keep this system in place any longer than they need to.
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It's not every day you see the term free spending used to describe the Rays. It's interesting that the Rays would decide to deliberately go over the spending limit, but when you consider the bolded it makes sense, especially if the article is true in its indication that next year's international talent pool pales in comparison.

 
'Bogart said:
'Premier said:
'Mr. Pickles said:
Jason Collette on ESPN's podcast today pimping his Rays. Sweet gig he's got there.
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Consider him a real life friend. Real happy for him. :thumbup:
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:goodposting: Super happy for him. Hope he is a GM someday just so I can say I use to sit in the same room and draft magic baseball with a real MLB GM. One of the real good guys from the old Rotojunkie days.
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Easily one of my favorite "industry" guys. He's terrific.
 
Really looking forward to this season. Disappointed that Scott is probably starting the season on the DL, but not surprised.

 
Scott going to the DL per Friedman.

I really hope they give Guyer a shot, but I imagine it'll be Vogt.

They let Ruggiano waste away and get bored in AAA for 5 years and he's at least a now-capable player for Miami that could have helped us. I hope they don't do the same for Guyer.

 
@TBTimes_Rays: #Rays rotation at Triple-A Durham: Archer, Colome, Montgomery, Odorizzi, Torres. Should be interesting.

Has to be better than a few MLB rotations.

 
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@TBTimes_Rays: #Rays rotation at Triple-A Durham: Archer, Colome, Montgomery, Odorizzi, Torres. Should be interesting.Has to be better than a few MLB rotations.
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All but guarantees David Price will be somewhere else fairly soon unless he's willing to take a hometown discount.

 
Marc Topkin ‏@TBTimes_Rays

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Also ending today for #Rays is a streak of 1,060 games started by pitchers 30 and under. The last 31-and-older starter for Rays was?
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Fauxsto Carmona starting today.

Last 31 or older starter was the immortal Mark Hendrickson, BTW. Other highlights from the 2006 Rays:

1. Scott Kazmir was the ace

2. Chad Orvella was still on the roster!

3, Jesus "Saves" Colome pitched a third of an inning.

4. Edwin Jackson was a 22 year old reliever.

5. Jason Hammell's ERA was 7.77.

6. Rocco Baldelli was the starting CF

7. Toby Hall, Dioner Navarro, and Josh Paul shared catching duties

8. Aubrey Huff was still a 3B

9. Jorge Cantu, who was still a 2B, started to suck this year before rebounding with the Marlins a couple years later

10. Travis Lee still had a job.

11. Bench guys included BJ Upton, Ben Zobrist, Russell Branyan, and (briefly) Sean Burroughs.

(Yeah, work is boring today.)

 
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Premier said:
@TBTimes_Rays: #Rays rotation at Triple-A Durham: Archer, Colome, Montgomery, Odorizzi, Torres. Should be interesting.Has to be better than a few MLB rotations.
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All but guarantees David Price will be somewhere else fairly soon unless he's willing to take a hometown discount.
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Owner quoted in the paper the other day saying DP will be a great Ray for a long time. He's not one for bluster.
 
Same owner who complains about attendance and says he'll increase payroll when revenue increases? I'll believe it when I see it.

 
Brady Marino said:
Marc Topkin ‏@TBTimes_Rays

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Also ending today for #Rays is a streak of 1,060 games started by pitchers 30 and under. The last 31-and-older starter for Rays was?
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Fauxsto Carmona starting today.

Last 31 or older starter was the immortal Mark Hendrickson, BTW. Other highlights from the 2006 Rays:

1. Scott Kazmir was the ace

2. Chad Orvella was still on the roster!

3, Jesus "Saves" Colome pitched a third of an inning.

4. Edwin Jackson was a 22 year old reliever.

5. Jason Hammell's ERA was 7.77.

6. Rocco Baldelli was the starting CF

7. Toby Hall, Dioner Navarro, and Josh Paul shared catching duties

8. Aubrey Huff was still a 3B

9. Jorge Cantu, who was still a 2B, started to suck this year before rebounding with the Marlins a couple years later

10. Travis Lee still had a job.

11. Bench guys included BJ Upton, Ben Zobrist, Russell Branyan, and (briefly) Sean Burroughs.

(Yeah, work is boring today.)
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:thumbup: man those were bad days.
 
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