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Another move to watch is TE...I have zero doubt the Pats add a significant player at that position...the question becomes whether they use a high draft pick or invest some money in a veteran...

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I think this year Edelman had more value in NE than he might elsewhere. The Pats much of the season had a void at TE and their other WRs were hurt a lot and had very limited experience.

Put another way, on another team he might only get 40-50 receptions if he were to be a third receiver. At 10 yards a pop, he might settle into a 400-600 a year guy. Not sure that is worth huge money.

At this point, I think NE will retain him, as how many receiving options can they take away from Brady and expect to have a cohesive offense?

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I think this year Edelman had more value in NE than he might elsewhere. The Pats much of the season had a void at TE and their other WRs were hurt a lot and had very limited experience.

Put another way, on another team he might only get 40-50 receptions if he were to be a third receiver. At 10 yards a pop, he might settle into a 400-600 a year guy. Not sure that is worth huge money.

At this point, I think NE will retain him, as how many receiving options can they take away from Brady and expect to have a cohesive offense?

I disagree with that projection (but not the point of big money)...with Edelman it's all about health...when he is on the field he is productive...while he's probably not a great fit for a bad team he would put up excellent numbers in an offense like the Saints, Seahawks, Falcons or Bears...IMO he's the type of WR that a team this is close can add and get excellent production from (as well as upgrading their special teams)...in the scenario he's worth solid (but not huge) money...

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To clarify, I think Edelman has more value to NE than to other teams. I don't see him getting 150+ targets on another team. Of course he would be a decent option on a pass happy team, but then so would a lot of players if they got a lot of playing time. He did great for the Pats, but even if he stayed in NE I think his targets would drop off with better health to other players. And there will always be injury concerns with Edelman.

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To clarify, I think Edelman has more value to NE than to other teams. I don't see him getting 150+ targets on another team. Of course he would be a decent option on a pass happy team, but then so would a lot of players if they got a lot of playing time. He did great for the Pats, but even if he stayed in NE I think his targets would drop off with better health to other players. And there will always be injury concerns with Edelman.

If he stays in New England I see a few years of this type of production...he has earned Brady's trust and has carved out his role...if you look at Patriot Wr/Te's once they get settled in and Brady is comfortable with them their #'s don't vary too wildly...the injury concern is very valid which is why you need to be careful with the $ you give him...that being said the Pats gave Amendola a nice chunk of change and his injury-history was well known...

One other thing about Edelman...he has a chance to earn himself some more $...if the Pats go on a playoff run and he is getting 10 receptions a game he is not going to hurt his earning power...

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To clarify, I think Edelman has more value to NE than to other teams.

People used to say the same thing about Welker and someone signed him away. Considering the Pats have Amendola I also don't think he has more value to them than another team since a healthy Amendola can do the same things. If a guy like Mcdaniels lands in Cleveland I'd argue Edelman would have lot more value to them since they actually need another WR to pair with Gordon.

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Before this year Edelmans value came as an amazing special teams player. Given BB's affinity for multi-talented players I agree completely that Edelman is worth more to the Pats than any other team.

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Another move to watch is TE...I have zero doubt the Pats add a significant player at that position...the question becomes whether they use a high draft pick or invest some money in a veteran...

In the past, they played two TEs more than most teams (ever) do. This year when Gronk was there they looked very good. Without, still pretty good. I know they used to draft TEs often, but to me they are fine, normal, now.

Pettigrew is my fave FA TE

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Another move to watch is TE...I have zero doubt the Pats add a significant player at that position...the question becomes whether they use a high draft pick or invest some money in a veteran...

In the past, they played two TEs more than most teams (ever) do. This year when Gronk was there they looked very good. Without, still pretty good. I know they used to draft TEs often, but to me they are fine, normal, now.

Pettigrew is my fave FA TE

Can't say I agree...right now Gronk is the only receiving threat at that position...they need another option that defenses have to respect...

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A lot of these reasons why the Patriots have to keep Edelman were said for the guy he replaced too. There's only one player that the Patriots "have" to have.

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Edelman would not have had nearly as many targets/catches if Gronk, Vereen, and Amendola were healthy all year. Probably to the point where his stats would barely (if at all) be rosterable for fantasy teams.

That said, he still has decent value heading into next year because those guys seem to never be on the field at the same time.

When Gronk got hurt, Edelman's value went up, just like it went up when Amendola and Vereen went out right away.

But really, he is like a 4th or 5th option when everyone is healthy there.

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I see alot of reference to $$. How much u guys thinking it takes to keep him. My gut says it should be worth it. Welker disnt exactly get a ton last yr. Has to be less than that right?

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Rotoworld:

ESPN Boston doesn't consider Julian Edelman a candidate for the Patriots franchise tag.

Neither do we. Edelman isn't the lethal outside receiver that commands a fully-guaranteed one-year, $11 million contract. Beat writer Mike Reiss expects Edelman to land a deal similar to what the Patriots gave Danny Amendola last offseason -- five years and $28.5 million with $10 million guaranteed. Reiss also mentions the Browns and Texans as teams that could target Edelman in free agency. New Texans coach Bill O'Brien called plays in New England from 2009-2011. Edelman is our No. 4 free-agent wide receiver.
Source: ESPN Boston

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ESPN Boston doesn't consider Julian Edelman a candidate for the Patriots franchise tag.

Neither do we. Edelman isn't the lethal outside receiver that commands a fully-guaranteed one-year, $11 million contract. Beat writer Mike Reiss expects Edelman to land a deal similar to what the Patriots gave Danny Amendola last offseason -- five years and $28.5 million with $10 million guaranteed. Reiss also mentions the Browns and Texans as teams that could target Edelman in free agency. New Texans coach Bill O'Brien called plays in New England from 2009-2011. Edelman is our No. 4 free-agent wide receiver.
Source: ESPN Boston

As I mentioned in the Pats offseason thread, I don't see Edelman garnering a contract that big or that long. He was force fed the ball and put up modest per catch and per target numbers this year. He was the only healthy receiver week in and week out in NE. What other team would give him 150-160 targets? None that I can see. IMO, he's more of a WR3 and could be a team's fourth receiving option. Plus he had one healthy year out of 5.

Even if he stayed in NE, the Pats will probably have another WR or TE to contend with, as well as Amendola, Gronk, and Vereen. So he could go to the back of the pack even if he stuck around. I would guess he might find a home at 3 years for $10-12M with $5 million guaranteed. The NFL just doesn't pay slot receivers much money.

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Edelman would not have had nearly as many targets/catches if Gronk, Vereen, and Amendola were healthy all year. Probably to the point where his stats would barely (if at all) be rosterable for fantasy teams.

That said, he still has decent value heading into next year because those guys seem to never be on the field at the same time.

When Gronk got hurt, Edelman's value went up, just like it went up when Amendola and Vereen went out right away.

But really, he is like a 4th or 5th option when everyone is healthy there.

Not as many sure, but he would have had his share.

Last offseason, summer, I'm remembering a nice smokescreen by the Pats. Brady was all excited on Edelman's first day and it seemed everyone wrote about that. From that point forward, Edelman didn't seem like much and the attention was all about the rookies-even from reporters that were at practices.

Brady likes him. If he's not to expensive, I figure that holds some(some) weight.

The rookies did not in anyway show that they can definitely be counted on for large roles next year. Most didn't even develop enough. This summer many of us are going to be repeating the very same sentences one year later. It would seem easier if KT, Boyce, or Dobson emerged as a goto target Brady could rely upon. It just doesn't seem more clear now.

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The Boston Herald reports the Patriots and free agent Julian Edelman have intensified contract negotiations Monday.

The two sides have been talking for the better part of a week now. WIth free agency less than 24 hours away, discussions have heated up. Both sides want to hammer out a deal, but Edelman wants to be compensated after being the Patriots' No. 1 receiver last season. Beat writer Jeff Howe expects the Browns, Ravens, and Texans to show interest in Edelman if he reaches the market.
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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Patriots were unable to reach a deal with free agent Julian Edelman on Tuesday, and that he'll reach the open market.



NFL Network reported earlier Tuesday that the Pats made Edelman a three-year offer, but it apparently wasn't to his liking. Despite Edelman's importance in 2013, he was never a player the Patriots were going to overpay for. He's a 5-foot-10, 198-pound slot receiver with an injury history. It's still possible Edelman ends up back in New England. He's a better fit for the Patriots than anyone else.

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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Patriots were unable to reach a deal with free agent Julian Edelman on Tuesday, and that he'll reach the open market.

NFL Network reported earlier Tuesday that the Pats made Edelman a three-year offer, but it apparently wasn't to his liking. Despite Edelman's importance in 2013, he was never a player the Patriots were going to overpay for. He's a 5-foot-10, 198-pound slot receiver with an injury history. It's still possible Edelman ends up back in New England. He's a better fit for the Patriots than anyone else.

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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Patriots were unable to reach a deal with free agent Julian Edelman on Tuesday, and that he'll reach the open market.

NFL Network reported earlier Tuesday that the Pats made Edelman a three-year offer, but it apparently wasn't to his liking. Despite Edelman's importance in 2013, he was never a player the Patriots were going to overpay for. He's a 5-foot-10, 198-pound slot receiver with an injury history. It's still possible Edelman ends up back in New England. He's a better fit for the Patriots than anyone else.

Sounds like he won't be a Patriot then. Saying on the radio it was reportedly a 3 year 14 million offer with 7 guaranteed. Incentives that could raise it to 21 million. But it was take it or leave it and it was gonna be pulled at 4 pm.

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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Patriots were unable to reach a deal with free agent Julian Edelman on Tuesday, and that he'll reach the open market.

NFL Network reported earlier Tuesday that the Pats made Edelman a three-year offer, but it apparently wasn't to his liking. Despite Edelman's importance in 2013, he was never a player the Patriots were going to overpay for. He's a 5-foot-10, 198-pound slot receiver with an injury history. It's still possible Edelman ends up back in New England. He's a better fit for the Patriots than anyone else.

Sounds like he won't be a Patriot then. Saying on the radio it was reportedly a 3 year 14 million offer with 7 guaranteed. Incentives that could raise it to 21 million. But it was take it or leave it and it was gonna be pulled at 4 pm.

I always though the biggest problem the Patriots would face in signing him was they would offer less then what they paid Amendola and that would not sit will with Edelman.

I know some think Edelman is more valuable to NE than any other team and that might prove to be true. Some think all things being equal Edelman would want to stay in NE and this is were I'm not so sure. I had read last off season he was not happy he was not given a chance to replace Welker, instead watching them pay Amendola while he had to settle for league minimum deal. I'm sure he enjoys his relationship with Brady and is to some degree thankful to NE for developing him but if I'm him and all things were equal I'd leave unless they paid him at least as much as they paid Amendola.

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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Patriots were unable to reach a deal with free agent Julian Edelman on Tuesday, and that he'll reach the open market.

NFL Network reported earlier Tuesday that the Pats made Edelman a three-year offer, but it apparently wasn't to his liking. Despite Edelman's importance in 2013, he was never a player the Patriots were going to overpay for. He's a 5-foot-10, 198-pound slot receiver with an injury history. It's still possible Edelman ends up back in New England. He's a better fit for the Patriots than anyone else.

Sounds like he won't be a Patriot then. Saying on the radio it was reportedly a 3 year 14 million offer with 7 guaranteed. Incentives that could raise it to 21 million. But it was take it or leave it and it was gonna be pulled at 4 pm.

Does Edelman really think he's going to get more than that elsewhere? Maybe he should look at Wes Welker's contract.

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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Patriots were unable to reach a deal with free agent Julian Edelman on Tuesday, and that he'll reach the open market.

NFL Network reported earlier Tuesday that the Pats made Edelman a three-year offer, but it apparently wasn't to his liking. Despite Edelman's importance in 2013, he was never a player the Patriots were going to overpay for. He's a 5-foot-10, 198-pound slot receiver with an injury history. It's still possible Edelman ends up back in New England. He's a better fit for the Patriots than anyone else.

Sounds like he won't be a Patriot then. Saying on the radio it was reportedly a 3 year 14 million offer with 7 guaranteed. Incentives that could raise it to 21 million. But it was take it or leave it and it was gonna be pulled at 4 pm.

Does Edelman really think he's going to get more than that elsewhere? Maybe he should look at Wes Welker's contract.

His agent has had three days to (legally) talk to other teams. If Edelman turned down the offer and doesn't get more elsewhere, he'd better get new representation.

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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Patriots were unable to reach a deal with free agent Julian Edelman on Tuesday, and that he'll reach the open market.

NFL Network reported earlier Tuesday that the Pats made Edelman a three-year offer, but it apparently wasn't to his liking. Despite Edelman's importance in 2013, he was never a player the Patriots were going to overpay for. He's a 5-foot-10, 198-pound slot receiver with an injury history. It's still possible Edelman ends up back in New England. He's a better fit for the Patriots than anyone else.

Sounds like he won't be a Patriot then. Saying on the radio it was reportedly a 3 year 14 million offer with 7 guaranteed. Incentives that could raise it to 21 million. But it was take it or leave it and it was gonna be pulled at 4 pm.

I always though the biggest problem the Patriots would face in signing him was they would offer less then what they paid Amendola and that would not sit will with Edelman.

I know some think Edelman is more valuable to NE than any other team and that might prove to be true. Some think all things being equal Edelman would want to stay in NE and this is were I'm not so sure. I had read last off season he was not happy he was not given a chance to replace Welker, instead watching them pay Amendola while he had to settle for league minimum deal. I'm sure he enjoys his relationship with Brady and is to some degree thankful to NE for developing him but if I'm him and all things were equal I'd leave unless they paid him at least as much as they paid Amendola.

Probably so. But even though the slot is a key piece of the Pats offense, i really think its plug and play for them. They seem to put a strict monetary value on the position and they refuse to go over it.

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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Patriots were unable to reach a deal with free agent Julian Edelman on Tuesday, and that he'll reach the open market.

NFL Network reported earlier Tuesday that the Pats made Edelman a three-year offer, but it apparently wasn't to his liking. Despite Edelman's importance in 2013, he was never a player the Patriots were going to overpay for. He's a 5-foot-10, 198-pound slot receiver with an injury history. It's still possible Edelman ends up back in New England. He's a better fit for the Patriots than anyone else.

Sounds like he won't be a Patriot then. Saying on the radio it was reportedly a 3 year 14 million offer with 7 guaranteed. Incentives that could raise it to 21 million. But it was take it or leave it and it was gonna be pulled at 4 pm.

Does Edelman really think he's going to get more than that elsewhere? Maybe he should look at Wes Welker's contract.

Well if he's looking at Welker's deal he'd probably draw the same conclusion I did which is 2 years with $12 million fully guaranteed beats the heck out of 3 years for 14 million with only 7 guaranteed.

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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Patriots were unable to reach a deal with free agent Julian Edelman on Tuesday, and that he'll reach the open market.

NFL Network reported earlier Tuesday that the Pats made Edelman a three-year offer, but it apparently wasn't to his liking. Despite Edelman's importance in 2013, he was never a player the Patriots were going to overpay for. He's a 5-foot-10, 198-pound slot receiver with an injury history. It's still possible Edelman ends up back in New England. He's a better fit for the Patriots than anyone else.

Sounds like he won't be a Patriot then. Saying on the radio it was reportedly a 3 year 14 million offer with 7 guaranteed. Incentives that could raise it to 21 million. But it was take it or leave it and it was gonna be pulled at 4 pm.

Does Edelman really think he's going to get more than that elsewhere? Maybe he should look at Wes Welker's contract.

Well if he's looking at Welker's deal he'd probably draw the same conclusion I did which is 2 years with $12 million fully guaranteed beats the heck out of 3 years for 14 million with only 7 guaranteed.

He's not Wes Welker.

Besides that, 7M guaranteed almost assures him of it being a two year deal - I assume 4, 5, 5 so he'd effectively only cost the Pats $2M to keep in 2015. 2 year/$9M vs. what a much better Wes Welker got.

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How quick people forget Amendola is still rostered. While he is always hurt, you take your chances on him as your slot if you cant resign Edelman. He is a good receiver when he plays. I think they need another TE and a bigger outside WR in free agency or the draft.

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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Patriots were unable to reach a deal with free agent Julian Edelman on Tuesday, and that he'll reach the open market.

NFL Network reported earlier Tuesday that the Pats made Edelman a three-year offer, but it apparently wasn't to his liking. Despite Edelman's importance in 2013, he was never a player the Patriots were going to overpay for. He's a 5-foot-10, 198-pound slot receiver with an injury history. It's still possible Edelman ends up back in New England. He's a better fit for the Patriots than anyone else.

Sounds like he won't be a Patriot then. Saying on the radio it was reportedly a 3 year 14 million offer with 7 guaranteed. Incentives that could raise it to 21 million. But it was take it or leave it and it was gonna be pulled at 4 pm.

Does Edelman really think he's going to get more than that elsewhere? Maybe he should look at Wes Welker's contract.

Well if he's looking at Welker's deal he'd probably draw the same conclusion I did which is 2 years with $12 million fully guaranteed beats the heck out of 3 years for 14 million with only 7 guaranteed.

He's not Wes Welker.

Yea well some poster named CSTU brought him up in this thread.

And no he's not Welker, he's younger and more versatile.

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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Patriots were unable to reach a deal with free agent Julian Edelman on Tuesday, and that he'll reach the open market.

NFL Network reported earlier Tuesday that the Pats made Edelman a three-year offer, but it apparently wasn't to his liking. Despite Edelman's importance in 2013, he was never a player the Patriots were going to overpay for. He's a 5-foot-10, 198-pound slot receiver with an injury history. It's still possible Edelman ends up back in New England. He's a better fit for the Patriots than anyone else.

Sounds like he won't be a Patriot then. Saying on the radio it was reportedly a 3 year 14 million offer with 7 guaranteed. Incentives that could raise it to 21 million. But it was take it or leave it and it was gonna be pulled at 4 pm.

Does Edelman really think he's going to get more than that elsewhere? Maybe he should look at Wes Welker's contract.

Well if he's looking at Welker's deal he'd probably draw the same conclusion I did which is 2 years with $12 million fully guaranteed beats the heck out of 3 years for 14 million with only 7 guaranteed.

He's not Wes Welker.

Yea well some poster named CSTU brought him up in this thread.

And no he's not Welker, he's younger and more versatile.

Edelman is a product of the system, lets call him what he is.

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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Patriots were unable to reach a deal with free agent Julian Edelman on Tuesday, and that he'll reach the open market.

NFL Network reported earlier Tuesday that the Pats made Edelman a three-year offer, but it apparently wasn't to his liking. Despite Edelman's importance in 2013, he was never a player the Patriots were going to overpay for. He's a 5-foot-10, 198-pound slot receiver with an injury history. It's still possible Edelman ends up back in New England. He's a better fit for the Patriots than anyone else.

Sounds like he won't be a Patriot then. Saying on the radio it was reportedly a 3 year 14 million offer with 7 guaranteed. Incentives that could raise it to 21 million. But it was take it or leave it and it was gonna be pulled at 4 pm.

Does Edelman really think he's going to get more than that elsewhere? Maybe he should look at Wes Welker's contract.

Well if he's looking at Welker's deal he'd probably draw the same conclusion I did which is 2 years with $12 million fully guaranteed beats the heck out of 3 years for 14 million with only 7 guaranteed.

He's not Wes Welker.

Yea well some poster named CSTU brought him up in this thread.

And no he's not Welker, he's younger and more versatile.

Edelman is a product of the system, lets call him what he is.

Yep, just like Welker.

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Rotoworld:

The Baltimore Sun reports the Ravens are interested in free agent Julian Edelman, but that "nothing has heated up yet."

The Ravens have already been linked to Steve Smith, and are apparently going to do their due diligence on every available wideout. Edelman would be a major upgrade on what the Ravens had in the slot last season, but it's anyone's guess as to how effective he'd be outside of the Patriots' system. He also has a lengthy injury history. We doubt GM Ozzie Newsome would overpay.
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Edelman is a product of the system, lets call him what he is.

Yep, just like Welker.

Technically he's a product of two systems, right? Lucky him!

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Edelman is a product of the system, lets call him what he is.

Yep, just like Welker.

Technically he's a product of two systems, right? Lucky him!

Yes and your whole spill is pretty weak. He's played in two great systems with two future HOF QB's. When he played for the Dolphins it was another story.

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Edelman is a product of the system, lets call him what he is.

Yep, just like Welker.

Technically he's a product of two systems, right? Lucky him!

Yes and your whole spill is pretty weak. He's played in two great systems with two future HOF QB's. When he played for the Dolphins it was another story.

Maybe the lesson there is a bad system can ruin a good player.

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Edelman is a product of the system, lets call him what he is.

Yep, just like Welker.

Technically he's a product of two systems, right? Lucky him!

Yes and your whole spill is pretty weak. He's played in two great systems with two future HOF QB's. When he played for the Dolphins it was another story.

Maybe the lesson there is a bad system can ruin a good player.

Welker was a good player before he got to NE, it's why they wanted him. But producing big time stats out of the slot position is very much a scheme and QB related position.

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I would be careful throwing around the term "product of the system" in such a derogatory fashion when it comes to the Pats...the Pats have had a ton of WRs who have not been able to grasp that system...there are zero guarantees when it comes to a new WR joining the Pats...part of being successful with the Pats is being able to play within that system...

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I would be careful throwing around the term "product of the system" in such a derogatory fashion when it comes to the Pats...the Pats have had a ton of WRs who have not been able to grasp that system...there are zero guarantees when it comes to a new WR joining the Pats...part of being successful with the Pats is being able to play within that system...

How many of those failed WR's were slot guys?

Edelman is probably the least talented 100 catch receiver I've ever seen. Welker put up slot numbers like never before seen. It's all a product of the system and why the Pats wisely would not break the bank for either of these guys. Good players, really good slot guys, but that's not valued in the NFL like an outside receiver.

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I would be careful throwing around the term "product of the system" in such a derogatory fashion when it comes to the Pats...the Pats have had a ton of WRs who have not been able to grasp that system...there are zero guarantees when it comes to a new WR joining the Pats...part of being successful with the Pats is being able to play within that system...

How many of those failed WR's were slot guys?

Edelman is probably the least talented 100 catch receiver I've ever seen. Welker put up slot numbers like never before seen. It's all a product of the system and why the Pats wisely would not break the bank for either of these guys. Good players, really good slot guys, but that's not valued in the NFL like an outside receiver.

Not saying they should break the bank for him...his injury history is well-documented and while I think he's a very good player he's not all-world ...yet if you let him go, bring in a WR who can't pick up the system and Dobson's injury woes continue you could be looking at a WR unit worse than last year's and that's not good (as well as taking a step back on punt returns)...the Pats need to be real careful here because while they struck lightning with Edelman replacing Welker (let's also remember that Edelman had three years learning the system as well) there is no guarantee that will happen again...

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I have never understood the disrespect some players get on these boards. I am not saying I think Edelman is a stud, but he is a very good player. He is consistent and someone Brady was always looking for and he is also a very good return man. I think his best fit is NE but no doubt he could be successful in that role on several teams. I also always liked that he was a hard nosed type player.

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Edelman is a product of the system, lets call him what he is.

Yep, just like Welker.

Technically he's a product of two systems, right? Lucky him!

Yes and your whole spill is pretty weak. He's played in two great systems with two future HOF QB's. When he played for the Dolphins it was another story.

Maybe the lesson there is a bad system can ruin a good player.

Welker was a good player before he got to NE, it's why they wanted him. But producing big time stats out of the slot position is very much a scheme and QB related position.

was that in the three games he started for Miami? or the one where he was active for San Diego?

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was that in the three games he started for Miami? or the one where he was active for San Diego?

He led the team in catches and yards and you want to bring up 'starts'?

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was that in the three games he started for Miami? or the one where he was active for San Diego?

He led the team in catches and yards and you want to bring up 'starts'?

bragging on 650ish yards? 50-60? catches?

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was that in the three games he started for Miami? or the one where he was active for San Diego?

He led the team in catches and yards and you want to bring up 'starts'?

bragging on 650ish yards? 50-60? catches?

I'm not sure I'm following your point?

Are you trying to argue with my comment that Welker played well in Miami by referencing his starts? Are you trying to argue with my comment that Welker was good in Miami by using his stats? Please tell me because I can't quite figure out what your point is exactly.

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I would be careful throwing around the term "product of the system" in such a derogatory fashion when it comes to the Pats...the Pats have had a ton of WRs who have not been able to grasp that system...there are zero guarantees when it comes to a new WR joining the Pats...part of being successful with the Pats is being able to play within that system...

How many of those failed WR's were slot guys?

Edelman is probably the least talented 100 catch receiver I've ever seen. Welker put up slot numbers like never before seen. It's all a product of the system and why the Pats wisely would not break the bank for either of these guys. Good players, really good slot guys, but that's not valued in the NFL like an outside receiver.

As bad as their WRs are now, it would be a mistake letting Edelman walk, too. Letting Welker walk was also a mistake that hurt them. The Pat's arrogance has hurt them in recent years. They have missed out on some possible championships by never giving in to re-signing their own guys for a competitive amount and then passing it off as no one player is bigger than the team. :yawn: Edited by flapgreen

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was that in the three games he started for Miami? or the one where he was active for San Diego?

He led the team in catches and yards and you want to bring up 'starts'?

bragging on 650ish yards? 50-60? catches?

I'm not sure I'm following your point?

Are you trying to argue with my comment that Welker played well in Miami by referencing his starts? Are you trying to argue with my comment that Welker was good in Miami by using his stats? Please tell me because I can't quite figure out what your point is exactly.

This is not your first day here, don't give me that. Welker was not "all that" in Miami by any stretch. His career didn't take off til he got to NE.

They didn't give him a chance to beat out Booker or Chambers. They tendered him with the second lowest offer and the Pats matched it.

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was that in the three games he started for Miami? or the one where he was active for San Diego?

He led the team in catches and yards and you want to bring up 'starts'?

bragging on 650ish yards? 50-60? catches?

I'm not sure I'm following your point?

Are you trying to argue with my comment that Welker played well in Miami by referencing his starts? Are you trying to argue with my comment that Welker was good in Miami by using his stats? Please tell me because I can't quite figure out what your point is exactly.

This is not your first day here, don't give me that. Welker was not "all that" in Miami by any stretch. His career didn't take off til he got to NE.

They didn't give him a chance to beat out Booker or Chambers. They tendered him with the second lowest offer and the Pats matched it.

I was seriously trying to ask because it sounded like you did not know what you were talking about and I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Bringing up his starts in Miami just makes you look like uninformed.

He's a slot receiver and for a lot of NFL teams those guys don't start. The year Welker led the Dolphins in catches they started a two TE set most games. You know many teams that have a base starting offensive package of 2 TE's and 3 WR's? I don't.

He did not get a chance to beat out Chambers or Booker because he's a slot receiver or almost strictly a player who works the middle of the field. He's not an outside receiver and never has been, it's even one of the reasons NE liked Amendola as they thought he gave them more flexibility in that he could play on the outside.

Other than that Bill Bellichick paid a second and 7th rounder for him. I mean if he had just had the wherewithal to look up his starts like you did he'd never have dreamed of paying that price.

As for his stats part of that had to do with he was a young player and still learning. The other part is the point I've been trying to express is that getting big time stats out a slot receiver is very much scheme and QB related.

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was that in the three games he started for Miami? or the one where he was active for San Diego?

He led the team in catches and yards and you want to bring up 'starts'?

bragging on 650ish yards? 50-60? catches?

I'm not sure I'm following your point?

Are you trying to argue with my comment that Welker played well in Miami by referencing his starts? Are you trying to argue with my comment that Welker was good in Miami by using his stats? Please tell me because I can't quite figure out what your point is exactly.

This is not your first day here, don't give me that. Welker was not "all that" in Miami by any stretch. His career didn't take off til he got to NE.

They didn't give him a chance to beat out Booker or Chambers. They tendered him with the second lowest offer and the Pats matched it.

I was seriously trying to ask because it sounded like you did not know what you were talking about and I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Bringing up his starts in Miami just makes you look like uninformed.

He's a slot receiver and for a lot of NFL teams those guys don't start. The year Welker led the Dolphins in catches they started a two TE set most games. You know many teams that have a base starting offensive package of 2 TE's and 3 WR's? I don't.

He did not get a chance to beat out Chambers or Booker because he's a slot receiver or almost strictly a player who works the middle of the field. He's not an outside receiver and never has been, it's even one of the reasons NE liked Amendola as they thought he gave them more flexibility in that he could play on the outside.

Other than that Bill Bellichick paid a second and 7th rounder for him. I mean if he had just had the wherewithal to look up his starts like you did he'd never have dreamed of paying that price.

As for his stats part of that had to do with he was a young player and still learning. The other part is the point I've been trying to express is that getting big time stats out a slot receiver is very much scheme and QB related.

Nice job working around and coming back to the same stuff.

He wasn't the best WR on the Dolphins. They weren't sorry to let him go until he did well with the Pats the next year.

If slot WRs don't start then how do you explain that he has 94 starts?

Yes he was tendered as a 2nd round pick but this was the lowest they could tender him. The Dolphins wanted to move Welker.

BB loved his attitude and many made jokes about Welker kicking or some trickery at some point. He had one FG and one XP to his credit then.

He was in no way a polished WR or the precise route runner he would become.

They wanted to move him

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/10/17/patriots_pounced_fast_to_grab_welker/?page=full

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Rotoworld:

The Sacramento Bee reports the Patriots are "trying hard" to re-sign free agent Julian Edelman, and that the Browns remain interested.

The slot man is currently visiting the 49ers. We'd imagine the Browns' "interest" will disappear once the Bengals officially decline to match Andrew Hawkins' offer sheet. Per reporter Matt Barrows, Edelman's decision is expected to come down to money. That's understandable considering how little of it, relatively speaking, Edelman has made to this point in his career.
Related: Browns, 49ers

Free agent Julian Edelman will visit the 49ers on Friday.

According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the 49ers are also interested in Hakeem Nicks. The Niners have slow-played the market, but are one of the more receiver-needy teams in the league. Edelman would represent a true slot threat that hasn't really been present during the Jim Harbaugh era. Provided the money is right, it would be a good signing for a team in the toughest division in football.

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