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QB Cam Newton, CAR (3 Viewers)
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Cam did things in 2018 that were great. He was an MVP candidate(if Mahomes didn't exist) until he got hurt.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Yenrub
Footballguy
Cam was playing really well in the 1st 8 games last year.
177 for 263 =67%
1893 passing yards - 15 TD - 4 INT
342 Rushing yards + 4 TD
Nobody had to make excuses. You could tell from his lack of burst that the injury to his foot was taking away his big equalizer (running ability) which then zapped all his emotion The first two games this year you could easily tell that the injury was a big deal regardless of what the Panthers management was saying. A foot injury to a running QB is a big problem. The real question is whether or not he can get healthy enough to be able to run like he has to in order to be effective.
8 in the box when Cam is at QB. 4-5 in the box with Allen. This frees up McCaffrey for the #s he's generated the last 3 weeks. Was just discussed on NFL Network. When there is a passing threat, you can't load the box. Best thing the Panthers can do is IR Cam for the year so they can continue to get Allen experience. Then cut Cam in the offseason and build around their new QB.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Is it time to cut bait with him in redraft leagues? I’m carrying 3 QBs right now and 2 of them aren’t playing this week and I’m not thrilled with the other one’s matchup. I’m thinking of just cutting bait at this point but the League Dominator app has me hesitating because FBGs seems to still give Newton a lot of value.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
If a normal 1 QB league, I'd have cut bait after Week 2.
Could have always picked up during Week 7 bye if that high on his prospects. IF he returns after Week 7 bye, not sure I'd be comfortable starting AT SF Week 8. TN defense isn't a cakewalk Week 9 despite playing at home. AT GB Week 10 where I'm not sure I'd want to start him. Fair to wonder how much he'll be running.
He's been sitting on our wire since after Week 2
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shadyridr
Footballguy
I actually just added him (he was a FA in both my leagues for weeks) in one league. I needed a backup QB for Wilson and noticed he played ATL that week.
pantherclub
Footballguy
seems legit
Jacksonke1
Footballguy
Like a Bledsoe Brady scenario
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
I have a weird feeling he’s done. He got a buttload of money. Made it to a SB. And is becoming a Frankenstein with all these surgeries. Don’t think he has the passion anymore, or to go out and prove himself to a new locker room and coaching staff.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
LOL @ Panthers when they put Cam back out there.
Truebluey
Footballguy
I dunno. Panthers D is for real, and if Cam is back running again, this team looks good. Lots of weapons on offense. Allen has been very good for his level of experience, but can't say he has elevated the team beyond what Cam has achieved.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Cam has three winning seasons and six losing ones. His last winning season came on the back of his 22td/16int, 59%comp, 6.7 yards per piss-poor year.
Truebluey
Footballguy
Just saying I don't think folks will be laughing at this Panthers team this year, no matter who their starter is.
As for Cam, it really depends on if he's healthy or not.
And who knows, maybe having competition for his spot will light a fire under him? Or maybe it will lead to him retiring? We don't know at this stage.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Allen is part of the reason they are winning right now. Its not the "in spite of" scenario that Cam brings with him. The defense gave up 20, 26 and 27 and still got the wins.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Big Cam fan here, but this is correct. If Cam can’t sling it in practice more than 20 yards like he hasn’t been able to the last 2 years, you have to stick with Allen.
That isn't really fair. Both Arizona and Tampa scored late in garbage time, those games were never in question. The defense has 14 turnovers, and 23 sacks in those 4 games. The defense is MUCH more responsible for those wins than anything Allen has done, short of maybe(Maybe?) the Cardinals game.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I agree to a point.
But on the bolded, The Bucs scored 19 in the final 20 minutes of an 11 point game. Now go look at he Panthers first two losses (incl the Bucs) with Cam in and his contributions in those close games. With Allens play, if it was the same as these last four, they likely win those two also.
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simey
Footballguy
Are you just totally disregarding that Cam played those first two games with a lisfranc injury?Now go look at he Panthers first two losses (incl the Bucs) with Cam in and his contributions in those close games. With Allens play, if it was the same as these last four, they likely win those two also.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
His history of sub-par passing was even worse, granted. But he has had seasons look like that and he does get hurt and play hurt a ton.
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simey
Footballguy
Somebody(PFF maybe?) did a study, that QB fumbles are more than twice as bad a play as an INT. I think the logic is, that often with QB fumbles there often are no players back to tackle a defender, where as often with INT's the defender is tackled by the receiver he is covering, and sometimes INT's serve a similar function as short punts.
This really isn't been said enough. Is Allen playing better than Cam did the 1st 2 weeks? Sure. But why is the assumption that the 1st 2 weeks are the Cam that is going to come back? He clearly wasn't healthy and will have had over a month to heal up. Newton was playing the best football of his career(short of his MVP season) last year, before getting hurt. The Panthers were 6-2 at that time.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Wait, are you suggesting that the Panthers should put Cam back in because he was playing well nearly a full season ago?
I'm suggesting the team has a much higher ceiling with a healthy Cam Newton than they do with Kyle Allen. Allen has shown absolutely nothing to prove otherwise.
Bonfire
Footballguy
Might be difficult to put Cam back in later in season if they decide to roll with Allen over Cam even if healthy. Cam seems like a lot of guys, who would take that as a slap in the face and maybe hold a grudge. I think they have to let Cam play and prove he can't do it before making a healthy bench.
Chaka
Footballguy
He's 5-0 with better completion %, better interception %, better yards per attempt, passer rating etc.
Look, I bought the Can Kool Aid this year, took him as my #1 QB, had him on several teams over the years. I'm a big fan, but I am not convinced he brings enough of the athleticism that makes him dangerous and dynamic enough to make up for his historically inconsistent passing (last year not withstanding).
I am skeptical that Kyle Allen is the long term solution but I am more skeptical that Cam's foot and shoulder are going to be healed enough at any point this season to make the risk worthwhile for the team.
Right now there is a built-in reason to keep Cam on the bench and the Panthers would be wise to continue using it.
If Allen keeps starting and loses you can go back to Cam but if Cam gets the start and loses, it gets much trickier deciding when and how to bench him.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
This.
Last time Cam was on the field...Rivera was 0-2 and the chatter surrounding his job security was increasing. By keeping Allen in...you can reason that it’s because the Panthers are playing the hot hand. It makes a lot of sense if you’re taking your fortunes week-to-week. Perhaps most importantly from a ‘Cam’ perspective...it’s not a benching.
But if Cam is reinserted...and the Panthers lose? Now you’ve got a situation.
simey
Footballguy
As a Panther fan, I'm curious as to what Tepper's thoughts are. The offense is in a groove right now, and to disrupt that doesn't seem like a good idea. They play the 49ers next, and that would be a good test for Allen. Putting a rusty Cam out there doesn't seem ideal. Norv's offense is also better suited for Allen, which isn't a knock on Cam. Anyway, Cam has been cleared to practice, and they are on a bye now, so week 8 will be interesting.
pantherclub
Footballguy
what happens when Allen leads the Panthers to victory on sunday........
I am going to go out on a limb and say that you are probably a Panthers fan. I think the next 3 games will be tough for Allen which might bode well for Cam. Based on the limited comments I have seen I am not convinced that Rivera is ready to hand over the reins of the offense to Allen yet. Allen would have to force his hand by playing great the next few weeks which obviously could happen. I think Trubisky is the only starting QB in the NFL who can challenge Cam for being the most inaccurate starting QB in the NFL.
It really blows my mind that people don't think Cam is the unquestioned starter the second he is healthy. He's a franchise QB, he makes everyone on the offense harder to defend. Everyone keeps pointing to the first two weeks, as if that is who Newton is, and not a guy playing through an injury that has a 2 month recovery time. Of course Newton wasn't playing his best, he was seriously injured. I mean, I'm pretty sure Bridgewater would have played better than Brees, if Brees had attempted to play through his hand injury. This really isn't different.
Also, while the record has been nice, Kyle Allen hasn't played well at all. He's been as lucky as a guy can be. He'd thrown plenty of passes that should have been picked off, and shown little pocket presence, and a penchant for sloppy fumbles long before today's implosion.
Also, while the record has been nice, Kyle Allen hasn't played well at all. He's been as lucky as a guy can be. He'd thrown plenty of passes that should have been picked off, and shown little pocket presence, and a penchant for sloppy fumbles long before today's implosion.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
If healthy, top 3 fantasy qb the rest of the way. Been grabbing him off the wire wherever possible
Dizzy
Footballguy
starks
Footballguy
I mean I am all about sunshine pumping but that's a bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Schedule shapes up well for having to score points and weather. Lamar Jackson is currently #3. Cams weapons are better than Jackson’s. He’ll keeping the running stats closeWhoa!
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BassNBrew
Footballguy
It’s not that bold. Either he’s healthy and will return to his historical numbers which are top 3 with crappy weapons or his shoulder/ foot are toast and you can cut him in a couple of weeks.
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