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1) TrubiskyA healthy Cam is a top 5 qb.
2) Chase Daniel
3) Tyler Bray
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5) Cam
1) TrubiskyA healthy Cam is a top 5 qb.
Cam did things in 2018 that were great. He was an MVP candidate(if Mahomes didn't exist) until he got hurt.Dude, that's already 4 years ago.
This is how the Josh Gordon thread goes... "he stinks... he's a JAG"... "No, he did things in 2013 that were amazing"
Ummm....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGtvxI9DnMMI'm not a Panthers fan but I am the biggest CMC nut hugger on this board. I've watched a lot of Panther games since CMC has joined and Cam is not a good QB for CMC. He only passes to him in check down situations. He never would have made that TD pass CMC got this past weekend on that Curl/Slant route. CMC is the best offensive player on that team and I think KA is the best QB for getting CMC involved. Cam lost the shine and this injury was supposedly nothing until they lost a couple now it's a thing. Seems like they're making excuses for Cam. Just my $.02. I appreciate the discussion.
Cam was playing really well in the 1st 8 games last year.Cam did things in 2018 that were great. He was an MVP candidate(if Mahomes didn't exist) until he got hurt.
Nobody had to make excuses. You could tell from his lack of burst that the injury to his foot was taking away his big equalizer (running ability) which then zapped all his emotion The first two games this year you could easily tell that the injury was a big deal regardless of what the Panthers management was saying. A foot injury to a running QB is a big problem. The real question is whether or not he can get healthy enough to be able to run like he has to in order to be effective.I'm not a Panthers fan but I am the biggest CMC nut hugger on this board. I've watched a lot of Panther games since CMC has joined and Cam is not a good QB for CMC. He only passes to him in check down situations. He never would have made that TD pass CMC got this past weekend on that Curl/Slant route. CMC is the best offensive player on that team and I think KA is the best QB for getting CMC involved. Cam lost the shine and this injury was supposedly nothing until they lost a couple now it's a thing. Seems like they're making excuses for Cam. Just my $.02. I appreciate the discussion.
If a normal 1 QB league, I'd have cut bait after Week 2.Is it time to cut bait with him in redraft leagues? I’m carrying 3 QBs right now and 2 of them aren’t playing this week and I’m not thrilled with the other one’s matchup. I’m thinking of just cutting bait at this point but the League Dominator app has me hesitating because FBGs seems to still give Newton a lot of value.
I actually just added him (he was a FA in both my leagues for weeks) in one league. I needed a backup QB for Wilson and noticed he played ATL that week.Is it time to cut bait with him in redraft leagues? I’m carrying 3 QBs right now and 2 of them aren’t playing this week and I’m not thrilled with the other one’s matchup. I’m thinking of just cutting bait at this point but the League Dominator app has me hesitating because FBGs seems to still give Newton a lot of value.
According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, Cam Newton (foot) is not a lock to return as Carolina's starter.
The Panthers have won three straight with Kyle Allen at the helm and have a chance to make it four in a row Sunday against Tampa Bay. Benching Newton (a first overall pick and former league MVP) for Allen (an undrafted sophomore entering his fifth career start) seems ludicrous on the surface, though it sounds like the Panthers would consider it, especially if their winning ways continue. Rapoport was told by a Panthers source it would be "hard to imagine" the team making a quarterback change during a winning streak. Carolina is not expected to make a decision until Newton's injured foot has completely healed, which could be quite a while.
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SOURCE: NFL.com
Oct 13, 2019, 9:07 AM ET
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Cam Newton (foot) has been cleared to return to practice following the Panthers' Week 7 bye.
The Panthers will have a decision to make come Week 8 when Newton will be ready to return to game action. Either they'll keep delaying the injury and wait for Kyle Allen (4-0, zero INTs) to lose a game and/or play bad, or they'll slide Newton right back in as the starter after he started the year 0-2 without throwing a touchdown while playing through his preseason injury. It's a decision coach Ron Rivera wasn't ready to make after the Panthers beat the Bucs in London.
SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Oct 14, 2019, 6:30 PM ET
I dunno. Panthers D is for real, and if Cam is back running again, this team looks good. Lots of weapons on offense. Allen has been very good for his level of experience, but can't say he has elevated the team beyond what Cam has achieved.LOL @ Panthers when they put Cam back out there.
Cam has three winning seasons and six losing ones. His last winning season came on the back of his 22td/16int, 59%comp, 6.7 yards per piss-poor year.I dunno. Panthers D is for real, and if Cam is back running again, this team looks good. Lots of weapons on offense. Allen has been very good for his level of experience, but can't say he has elevated the team beyond what Cam has achieved.
Just saying I don't think folks will be laughing at this Panthers team this year, no matter who their starter is.Cam has three winning seasons and six losing ones. His last winning season came on the back of his 22td/16int, 59%comp, 6.7 yards per piss-poor year.
Big Cam fan here, but this is correct. If Cam can’t sling it in practice more than 20 yards like he hasn’t been able to the last 2 years, you have to stick with Allen.Allen is part of the reason they are winning right now. Its not the "in spite of" scenario that Cam brings with him. The defense gave up 20, 26 and 27 and still got the wins.
That isn't really fair. Both Arizona and Tampa scored late in garbage time, those games were never in question. The defense has 14 turnovers, and 23 sacks in those 4 games. The defense is MUCH more responsible for those wins than anything Allen has done, short of maybe(Maybe?) the Cardinals game.Allen is part of the reason they are winning right now. Its not the "in spite of" scenario that Cam brings with him. The defense gave up 20, 26 and 27 and still got the wins.
I agree to a point.That isn't really fair. Both Arizona and Tampa scored late in garbage time, those games were never in question. The defense has 14 turnovers, and 23 sacks in those 4 games. The defense is MUCH more responsible for those wins than anything Allen has done, short of maybe(Maybe?) the Cardinals game.
Are you just totally disregarding that Cam played those first two games with a lisfranc injury?Now go look at he Panthers first two losses (incl the Bucs) with Cam in and his contributions in those close games. With Allens play, if it was the same as these last four, they likely win those two also.
Or hasn't done. Like throwing interceptions and making bad decisions.That isn't really fair. Both Arizona and Tampa scored late in garbage time, those games were never in question. The defense has 14 turnovers, and 23 sacks in those 4 games. The defense is MUCH more responsible for those wins than anything Allen has done, short of maybe(Maybe?) the Cardinals game.
His history of sub-par passing was even worse, granted. But he has had seasons look like that and he does get hurt and play hurt a ton.Are you just totally disregarding that Cam played those first two games with a lisfranc injury?
Allen has fumbled six times, and lost four of them.Or hasn't done. Like throwing interceptions and making bad decisions.That isn't really fair. Both Arizona and Tampa scored late in garbage time, those games were never in question. The defense has 14 turnovers, and 23 sacks in those 4 games. The defense is MUCH more responsible for those wins than anything Allen has done, short of maybe(Maybe?) the Cardinals game.
Somebody(PFF maybe?) did a study, that QB fumbles are more than twice as bad a play as an INT. I think the logic is, that often with QB fumbles there often are no players back to tackle a defender, where as often with INT's the defender is tackled by the receiver he is covering, and sometimes INT's serve a similar function as short punts.Allen has fumbled six times, and lost four of them.
This really isn't been said enough. Is Allen playing better than Cam did the 1st 2 weeks? Sure. But why is the assumption that the 1st 2 weeks are the Cam that is going to come back? He clearly wasn't healthy and will have had over a month to heal up. Newton was playing the best football of his career(short of his MVP season) last year, before getting hurt. The Panthers were 6-2 at that time.Are you just totally disregarding that Cam played those first two games with a lisfranc injury?
Wait, are you suggesting that the Panthers should put Cam back in because he was playing well nearly a full season ago?This really isn't been said enough. Is Allen playing better than Cam did the 1st 2 weeks? Sure. But why is the assumption that the 1st 2 weeks are the Cam that is going to come back? He clearly wasn't healthy and will have had over a month to heal up. Newton was playing the best football of his career(short of his MVP season) last year, before getting hurt. The Panthers were 6-2 at that time.
I'm suggesting the team has a much higher ceiling with a healthy Cam Newton than they do with Kyle Allen. Allen has shown absolutely nothing to prove otherwise.Wait, are you suggesting that the Panthers should put Cam back in because he was playing well nearly a full season ago?
He's 5-0 with better completion %, better interception %, better yards per attempt, passer rating etc.I'm suggesting the team has a much higher ceiling with a healthy Cam Newton than they do with Kyle Allen. Allen has shown absolutely nothing to prove otherwise.
This.If Allen keeps starting and loses you can go back to Cam but if Cam gets the start and loses, it gets much trickier deciding when and how to bench him.
As a Panther fan, I'm curious as to what Tepper's thoughts are. The offense is in a groove right now, and to disrupt that doesn't seem like a good idea. They play the 49ers next, and that would be a good test for Allen. Putting a rusty Cam out there doesn't seem ideal. Norv's offense is also better suited for Allen, which isn't a knock on Cam. Anyway, Cam has been cleared to practice, and they are on a bye now, so week 8 will be interesting.If Allen keeps starting and loses you can go back to Cam but if Cam gets the start and loses, it gets much trickier deciding when and how to bench him.
Panthers coach Ron Rivera would not confirm if Cam Newton (foot) will return to practice next week.
"Until he's 100 percent, we're not going to address it," Rivera said. "The young man has done everything we've asked. I'm not going to put pressure on him." In other words, nothing's changed. Newton will only return to practice once his foot is 100 percent healed, and there's clearly no rush to get him back on the field with Kyle Allen helping the team to four consecutive wins in the former MVP's absence. It's probably not the best idea to bring Newton back against San Francisco's ferocious pass rush in Week 8.
SOURCE: Steve Reed on Twitter
Oct 15, 2019, 10:29 AM ET
Cam Newton (foot) has yet to resume practicing.
The Panthers have already announced Kyle Allen as their Week 8 starter, but they seemed to be holding out hope that Newton might be able to get some reps in. That did not happen on Wednesday or Thursday. It bodes poorly for Newton's odds of returning in Week 9, though that still can't be ruled out.
Oct 24, 2019, 1:28 PM ET
I am going to go out on a limb and say that you are probably a Panthers fan. I think the next 3 games will be tough for Allen which might bode well for Cam. Based on the limited comments I have seen I am not convinced that Rivera is ready to hand over the reins of the offense to Allen yet. Allen would have to force his hand by playing great the next few weeks which obviously could happen. I think Trubisky is the only starting QB in the NFL who can challenge Cam for being the most inaccurate starting QB in the NFL.what happens when Allen leads the Panthers to victory on sunday........
If healthy, top 3 fantasy qb the rest of the way. Been grabbing him off the wire wherever possibleI think it is safe to say Cam will be under center this Sunday. How are owners feeling? I will be going back and forth all week with my lineup (Jimmy G). Winston and Evans just lit up the tennessee secondary however they were without Jackson. Thoughts?
Whoa!If healthy, top 3 fantasy qb the rest of the way. Been grabbing him off the wire wherever possible
I mean I am all about sunshine pumping but that's a bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off.If healthy, top 3 fantasy qb the rest of the way. Been grabbing him off the wire wherever possible
Schedule shapes up well for having to score points and weather. Lamar Jackson is currently #3. Cams weapons are better than Jackson’s. He’ll keeping the running stats closeWhoa!
He'll never be "healthy" again. Not in 2019, at least.If healthy, top 3 fantasy qb the rest of the way. Been grabbing him off the wire wherever possibleI think it is safe to say Cam will be under center this Sunday. How are owners feeling? I will be going back and forth all week with my lineup (Jimmy G). Winston and Evans just lit up the tennessee secondary however they were without Jackson. Thoughts?
It’s not that bold. Either he’s healthy and will return to his historical numbers which are top 3 with crappy weapons or his shoulder/ foot are toast and you can cut him in a couple of weeks.I mean I am all about sunshine pumping but that's a bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off.