I didn't come anywhere close to saying that. Just don't understand how coaches can leave their franchise QB's in a blowout and risk injury for no reason. Coughlin obviously isn't that concerned with long-term team preservation. It looks like Jennings took a pretty hard hit just before they pulled him so if anything there is an injury concern that forced him to leave the game and possibly changed their mind to rest him, nothing Coughlin did proactively to try and save him for rest of the season. Say! congrats on earning a bunch of dbag points thoughSay! You have a point! This just in! Andre Williams owners should be worried too! Peyton Hillis stole fourth quarter carries! Holy ####! Drop in all formats! Jennings, Williams, Hillis, and David Wilson (yes the track runner) are NOW in a full blown timeshare after today's game. CLEARLY, the tide has shifted! Thank God we have been warned or we would still be stuck with part time bums like Jennings. How could I not have seen this?!?!? I would also like to get out ahead of Calvin Johnson as well. Golden Tate received more practice reps and is a threat to Calvin's targets. The sky is falling!!!!If the coach is really that concerned about saving his players or preventing injury I don't understand how he could leave Eli in deep into the 4th quarter.Yeah, act all shocked they put it the new guy after Jennings had 34 carries earlier this same week and the game was far out of reach.
The coach is trying to do the best for his real team, not your magic football team, genius.
Plus Cousins #### all over himself in the 3rd quarter and there was no reason to put him in with a big lead. If it was actually a game Jennings would have been in. Personally I blame Cousins.bull####. The coaches said theyd give williams more work due to the short week and after the heavy workload jennings had last week. Im buying, kid looks awesomeparty is over for jennings owners it looks like. andre was in on all of the important goal line situations tonight. andre started the 2nd half and got more possessions too. really shoulda sold him last week.
I have LABORED through many games against guys like Peyton Manning and Drew Brees DEEP into the fourth quarter while their teams were comfortably ahead. Pulling out a quarterback in the third quarter is an unwritten sign of disrespect. They typically stay in until the mid fourth before being yanked. Replacing a running back who is only 3 days removed from 34 carries in a game that was clearly secured is far from out of the question. This a 16 game season and the Giants care very little about the fantasy ramifications. Anyone who is phishing for controversy will no doubt hook their lines to a boot, tire, or shopping cart. In other words, there is nothing of substance there.I didn't come anywhere close to saying that. Just don't understand how coaches can leave their franchise QB's in a blowout and risk injury for no reason.Say! You have a point! This just in! Andre Williams owners should be worried too! Peyton Hillis stole fourth quarter carries! Holy ####! Drop in all formats! Jennings, Williams, Hillis, and David Wilson (yes the track runner) are NOW in a full blown timeshare after today's game. CLEARLY, the tide has shifted! Thank God we have been warned or we would still be stuck with part time bums like Jennings. How could I not have seen this?!?!? I would also like to get out ahead of Calvin Johnson as well. Golden Tate received more practice reps and is a threat to Calvin's targets. The sky is falling!!!!If the coach is really that concerned about saving his players or preventing injury I don't understand how he could leave Eli in deep into the 4th quarter.Yeah, act all shocked they put it the new guy after Jennings had 34 carries earlier this same week and the game was far out of reach.
The coach is trying to do the best for his real team, not your magic football team, genius.
He had 34 carries in the last game and was playing in a short week. The team said they would work Williams in more this week to take some load off of Jennings after being overused last week.I didn't come anywhere close to saying that. Just don't understand how coaches can leave their franchise QB's in a blowout and risk injury for no reason. Coughlin obviously isn't that concerned with long-term team preservation. It looks like Jennings took a pretty hard hit just before they pulled him so if anything there is an injury concern that forced him to leave the game and possibly changed their mind to rest him, nothing Coughlin did proactively to try and save him for rest of the season. Say! congrats on earning a bunch of dbag points thoughSay! You have a point! This just in! Andre Williams owners should be worried too! Peyton Hillis stole fourth quarter carries! Holy ####! Drop in all formats! Jennings, Williams, Hillis, and David Wilson (yes the track runner) are NOW in a full blown timeshare after today's game. CLEARLY, the tide has shifted! Thank God we have been warned or we would still be stuck with part time bums like Jennings. How could I not have seen this?!?!? I would also like to get out ahead of Calvin Johnson as well. Golden Tate received more practice reps and is a threat to Calvin's targets. The sky is falling!!!!If the coach is really that concerned about saving his players or preventing injury I don't understand how he could leave Eli in deep into the 4th quarter.Yeah, act all shocked they put it the new guy after Jennings had 34 carries earlier this same week and the game was far out of reach.
The coach is trying to do the best for his real team, not your magic football team, genius.
except i actually never said that.I should have just led with this, but this is what cvnpoka does. Last year after a Bengals game he was doing the same thing in the Dalton thread. He was calling for Dalton to be benched so the Bengals could sign Josh Freeman to come in and start, because he threw a better deep ball than Dalton.
Edit. I guess we should actually thank him. If it wasn't for people over reacting to one game, we wouldn't be able to buy low or sell high.
It was a perfect game for Williams to get some experience. The Giants had control of the game from the start, and there was no need to keep Jennings out there after he ran the ball 30+ times just a few days prior. Jennings also already seems to have a good grasp of the offense, but some of the others (including Eli) needed the reps to continue to gel in their new offensive scheme.While I agree that there's nothing to this from last night's perspective, you have to see that Williams showed the staff he could be counted on. I could easily see a larger role for Williams going forward. No need to run Jennings 34 times when you can balance it out.
Actually you did. If you care to see it go back to the Andy Dalton can't throw a deep ball it is on the first page. You reference that Alex Smith is worse than Dalton, but Freeman should get a shot over Dalton. Keep over reacting, and good luck.except i actually never said that.I should have just led with this, but this is what cvnpoka does. Last year after a Bengals game he was doing the same thing in the Dalton thread. He was calling for Dalton to be benched so the Bengals could sign Josh Freeman to come in and start, because he threw a better deep ball than Dalton.
Edit. I guess we should actually thank him. If it wasn't for people over reacting to one game, we wouldn't be able to buy low or sell high.
Actually I said he was a tier below him, and lots of people agreed with me and the stats backed it up. Anyways i am done with you and not clogging up this thread. Good luckoh ya i just checked. the thread where you said that vincent jackson was as good as aj green. ya, fun times.
at least i quickly backed off on freeman when it was clear he had regressed immensely. you couldnt remotely defend the vjax vs green position but that didnt stop you from childishly dismissing anyone that disagreed.
heres the thing, you could go back through every single posters history and find a place where they were very wrong. in this instance, i barely defended the dalton vs freeman thing. i made a long list of qbs i preferred to dalton and then mentioned freeman in another post. it was just a throwaway comment and i made a solid list he wasnt even on it. its not like i went on and on defending it and spouting off. not that it should really matter as ive staunchly defended a way worse position many other times. mebbe you should dig those up. i guess it really offended you and i apologize as it seemed an innocuous position but i guess not.Actually you did. If you care to see it go back to the Andy Dalton can't throw a deep ball it is on the first page. You reference that Alex Smith is worse than Dalton, but Freeman should get a shot over Dalton. Keep over reacting, and good luck.except i actually never said that.I should have just led with this, but this is what cvnpoka does. Last year after a Bengals game he was doing the same thing in the Dalton thread. He was calling for Dalton to be benched so the Bengals could sign Josh Freeman to come in and start, because he threw a better deep ball than Dalton.
Edit. I guess we should actually thank him. If it wasn't for people over reacting to one game, we wouldn't be able to buy low or sell high.
nope. these were your words.Actually I said he was a tier below him, and lots of people agreed with me and the stats backed it up. Anyways i am done with you and not clogging up this thread. Good luckoh ya i just checked. the thread where you said that vincent jackson was as good as aj green. ya, fun times.
at least i quickly backed off on freeman when it was clear he had regressed immensely. you couldnt remotely defend the vjax vs green position but that didnt stop you from childishly dismissing anyone that disagreed.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=695929&page=1#entry16099638Vincent Jackson is probably equal to AJ Green by NFL standards, not fantasy.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=695929&page=1#entry16099732These are just stats but they both are the best receivers on their teams.
AJ Green - 3026 yards 23 touchdowns since he came into the league.
V. Jax - 3034 yards 21 touchdown in the same time.
Weird
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=695929&page=2#entry16099892Obviously everyone in the world would take Green over him because he is younger and SLIGHTLY more talented, they aren't worlds apart.
heres the thing. i dont attack people. i dont insult people. i dont follow people from thread to thread and point out instances where they were wrong from years ago.I'm kinda new here, but its becoming pretty obvious that cvnpoka is the kid pecking away at his keyboard from his parents basement.
There was 6:39 left in the 3rd quarter when he dropped that pass. He was back in the game at 5:38 with a 7 yard gain on the Washington 35. The Giants scored on that drive and Jennings was done for the night. The Giants scored again at the end of the 3rd quarter, and the game was out of control by then. They would score one more time in the 4th quarter.Lots of defensive owners in here. Bottomline, the game was still within reach when he dropped that pass for a gimme touchdown. Did not get in the game after that. Take from that what you will.
Thanks for this. I was just about to post that. Jennings is the best RB on this team at the moment by a good margin. The drop was bad, but you are under the assumption it is why he did not play much after it which is completely false.There was 6:39 left in the 3rd quarter when he dropped that pass. He was back in the game at 5:38 with a 7 yard gain on the Washington 35. The Giants scored on that drive and Jennings was done for the night. The Giants scored again at the end of the 3rd quarter, and the game was out of control by then. They would score one more time in the 4th quarter.Lots of defensive owners in here. Bottomline, the game was still within reach when he dropped that pass for a gimme touchdown. Did not get in the game after that. Take from that what you will.
That's not accurate.Insein said:Lots of defensive owners in here. Bottomline, the game was still within reach when he dropped that pass for a gimme touchdown. Did not get in the game after that. Take from that what you will.
Well Williams can't catch either so they're going to have to find someone else if they want to throw a screen pass.Insein said:Lots of defensive owners in here. Bottomline, the game was still within reach when he dropped that pass for a gimme touchdown. Did not get in the game after that. Take from that what you will.
He couldn't get his hands up in time after pushing the Redskins defender down, cut him some slack.fantasycurse42 said:Last night hurt as a Jennings owner, but as the Giants were pulling away and he was fresh off of almost 40 touches 4 days prior, I get it.
The only thing that really got me was when he dropped an easy TD pass and when he wasn't in for the 1st and goal from 2 to start the 4th... I mean cmon, give him a chance to carry it in.
Jennings is obviously the lead dawg in that backfield, and if this game was closer, the split would've been a lot more lopsided.
ESPN Giants reporter Dan Graziano says Rashad Jennings is the Giants' "clear No. 1" running back.
Rookie Andre Williams saw as many carries as Jennings on Thursday night, but Graziano said that would not have been the case in a "normal Sunday game." "The split workload Thursday had more to do with keeping Jennings from breaking down under a too-strenuous five-day workload than it did anything else," said Graziano. Jennings is still the No. 1 back in New York, and will be in the RB1 conversation against the Falcons Week 5.
Source: ESPN New York
Sep 27 - 11:48 AM
Rashad Jennings is on pace for 324 carries.
Jennings has 48 touches over the last five days. The Giants rested him in the second half on Thursday night, allowing rookie Andre Williams to run for 66 yards and a touchdown. 29-year-old Jennings has never had more than 163 carries in a season and isn't going to hold up on his current workloads. Williams showed well in mop-up duty and is a candidate for an expanded role. Outside of his Week 3 matchup with the Texans, Jennings is averaging 3.5 yards per carry.
Sep 27 - 5:36 PM
Outside of week 1 against the Lions, who have one of the best D lines in the league i might add, he's averaging 4.5 yards per carry.Rotoworld:
Rashad Jennings is on pace for 324 carries.
Jennings has 48 touches over the last five days. The Giants rested him in the second half on Thursday night, allowing rookie Andre Williams to run for 66 yards and a touchdown. 29-year-old Jennings has never had more than 163 carries in a season and isn't going to hold up on his current workloads. Williams showed well in mop-up duty and is a candidate for an expanded role. Outside of his Week 3 matchup with the Texans, Jennings is averaging 3.5 yards per carry.
Sep 27 - 5:36 PM
So who should we worry about?You Jennings owners are in denial if you don't have some concern. Williams is starting to show that he may be an option in the meaningful part of games.
I am not saying Jones is not the clear 1
Am I saying there is a real possibility that Williams will get more carries next week than he did in games 1-3. And maybe even steal a drive or a TD or two.
Isn't Jennings injured?so that is 2 weeks in a row where williams outscores jennings? not a time share tho right?
He's rolling, just go with it.Isn't Jennings injured?so that is 2 weeks in a row where williams outscores jennings? not a time share tho right?
Even if - he's proving a lack of durability - which is going to cut into his timeIsn't Jennings injured?so that is 2 weeks in a row where williams outscores jennings? not a time share tho right?
This is completely missing the point he was trying to make. He's calling it a time share because of two games. In game A he was rested since it was on a THU after rushing 35 times the week before and they had the game won by halftime. In game B he gets outscored because he's injured.Even if - he's proving a lack of durability - which is going to cut into his timeIsn't Jennings injured?so that is 2 weeks in a row where williams outscores jennings? not a time share tho right?
Before he got hurt:So what all you Jennings owners thought was unthinkable - just happened.
The one who finished the game healthyBefore he got hurt:So what all you Jennings owners thought was unthinkable - just happened.
Player A - 10/55 & 2/17
Player B - 5/14 & 0/0
Who would you rather have?
Let me know if they can both play next week - and then I will tell youBefore he got hurt:So what all you Jennings owners thought was unthinkable - just happened.
Player A - 10/55 & 2/17
Player B - 5/14 & 0/0
Who would you rather have?