I think this sets the Browns back most of a decade as they overhaul the roster to fit his offense and then have to overhaul it again to fit an NFL offense after he's fired.
1,000% disagreeNot a good place for that offense if true.
I'll be back to eat my crow if wrong and I hope you are too. I think you couldn't be more incorrect. What he does so well is he takes his system and adapts it to his players to get the most out of them. He has the pieces in place with Richardson, Gordon, and a strong offensive line. Even more importantly he has everything he needs on defense. Get the other pieces he needs on offense and this offense takes off. Pair Geno or Tahj with a change of pace RB (Denard, Dri Archer, maybe Barner or Ellington) and we can compete for the playoffs this year.I think this sets the Browns back most of a decade as they overhaul the roster to fit his offense and then have to overhaul it again to fit an NFL offense after he's fired.
Really?? You think that the Oregon offense would work well on a cold windy day in Cleveland in January?1,000% disagreeNot a good place for that offense if true.
I wonder who trades for Weeden? I think Weeden isn't very good...but someone will take him.I think this sets the Browns back most of a decade as they overhaul the roster to fit his offense and then have to overhaul it again to fit an NFL offense after he's fired.
The Browns currently don't have a franchise QB. Weeden was a brutal 1st round pick last year. He's not going to cut it. Worst case would have been the franchise and old staff threw him out there another couple years. He's a backup QB at best. And that's how he should have been drafted to begin with.They've already have a solid O-line + Richardson + Gordon + improved defense. What exactly is their to overhaul?? They need a franchise QB regardless....I think this sets the Browns back most of a decade as they overhaul the roster to fit his offense and then have to overhaul it again to fit an NFL offense after he's fired.
Not only that but that offense worked because he had a clear speed/talent advantage. He won't have that same advantage in the NFL. I think he is Steve Spurrier 2.0. Many of you may not be old enough to remember that disaster.Really?? You think that the Oregon offense would work well on a cold windy day in Cleveland in January?1,000% disagreeNot a good place for that offense if true.
Vick = Coach Killer, when will people accept that?He drops Weedon to take Vick....calling it now!
I don't really care about crow eating and I do hope he proves me wrong. Right now I'm not feeling at all good about this though.I certainly don't agree that he has everything he needs on defense. We just watched Kirk Cousins destroy that defense and Manning didn't even break a sweat while he was shredding it. They need at minimum a linebacker, a corner, a free safety and a top-notch pass rusher. Hopefully Kelly hires a quality NFL staff. If he brings in a bunch of guys from Oregon, I'm going to become even more depressed about this.I'll be back to eat my crow if wrong and I hope you are too. I think you couldn't be more incorrect. What he does so well is he takes his system and adapts it to his players to get the most out of them. He has the pieces in place with Richardson, Gordon, and a strong offensive line. Even more importantly he has everything he needs on defense. Get the other pieces he needs on offense and this offense takes off. Pair Geno or Tahj with a change of pace RB (Denard, Dri Archer, maybe Barner or Ellington) and we can compete for the playoffs this year.I think this sets the Browns back most of a decade as they overhaul the roster to fit his offense and then have to overhaul it again to fit an NFL offense after he's fired.
If he had a clear speed/talent advantage, I would think that more of his former players would be going higher in the NFL draft.Not only that but that offense worked because he had a clear speed/talent advantage. He won't have that same advantage in the NFL. I think he is Steve Spurrier 2.0. Many of you may not be old enough to remember that disaster.Really?? You think that the Oregon offense would work well on a cold windy day in Cleveland in January?1,000% disagreeNot a good place for that offense if true.
I don't think the Oregon offense is coming to Cleveland, Chip takes his system and adapts it to what he has getting the most out of his players. That's why he'll be great in the NFL. He adapts.Really?? You think that the Oregon offense would work well on a cold windy day in Cleveland in January?1,000% disagreeNot a good place for that offense if true.
I think those 6 quarters against Washington and Denver were more about the team giving up than talent disparity. Not a good excuse, but a plausible one. The offense blew the Washington game, then everyone knew firings were coming, and the whole team came out flat in Denver.The one area I didn't mention on offense is we may need to look elsewhere for guards. I think Greco moves well enough for a Chip system, but Lauvao and Pinkston don't. Ryan Miller might though.I don't really care about crow eating and I do hope he proves me wrong. Right now I'm not feeling at all good about this though.I certainly don't agree that he has everything he needs on defense. We just watched Kirk Cousins destroy that defense and Manning didn't even break a sweat while he was shredding it. They need at minimum a linebacker, a corner, a free safety and a top-notch pass rusher. Hopefully Kelly hires a quality NFL staff. If he brings in a bunch of guys from Oregon, I'm going to become even more depressed about this.I'll be back to eat my crow if wrong and I hope you are too. I think you couldn't be more incorrect. What he does so well is he takes his system and adapts it to his players to get the most out of them. He has the pieces in place with Richardson, Gordon, and a strong offensive line. Even more importantly he has everything he needs on defense. Get the other pieces he needs on offense and this offense takes off. Pair Geno or Tahj with a change of pace RB (Denard, Dri Archer, maybe Barner or Ellington) and we can compete for the playoffs this year.I think this sets the Browns back most of a decade as they overhaul the roster to fit his offense and then have to overhaul it again to fit an NFL offense after he's fired.
Most won't because it's not true. He's had two seasons in his entire career he posted a losing record as a starter. One was this year and on a team that quit. His career winning percentage as a starter is 56% which equates to about a 9 win season. Not great but not exactly coach killing kind of poor either.Vick = Coach Killer, when will people accept that?
Vick won't work in a Chip system anyway, Chip's system requires pre and post snap reads. Vick is awful at that.Vick = Coach Killer, when will people accept that?He drops Weedon to take Vick....calling it now!
Now factor in 100 million dollars for those 9 wins and you see his point...Most won't because it's not true. He's had two seasons in his entire career he posted a losing record as a starter. One was this year and on a team that quit. His career winning percentage as a starter is 56% which equates to about a 9 win season. Not great but not exactly coach killing kind of poor either.Vick = Coach Killer, when will people accept that?
thats is very true! but i could still see them taking a shot at him!Vick won't work in a Chip system anyway, Chip's system requires pre and post snap reads. Vick is awful at that.Vick = Coach Killer, when will people accept that?He drops Weedon to take Vick....calling it now!
The only guy who started on this team last year I see who can't fit this offense is Weeden and he was far from a lock to QB this team next year no matter who the HC was, so I don't get the overhual part here.I think this sets the Browns back most of a decade as they overhaul the roster to fit his offense and then have to overhaul it again to fit an NFL offense after he's fired.
Eagles won't be paying him anything close to $100million and please explain to me what one team signing him for has any bearing on his ability to play QB for his next team?Now factor in 100 million dollars for those 9 wins and you see his point...Most won't because it's not true. He's had two seasons in his entire career he posted a losing record as a starter. One was this year and on a team that quit. His career winning percentage as a starter is 56% which equates to about a 9 win season. Not great but not exactly coach killing kind of poor either.Vick = Coach Killer, when will people accept that?
YUCK!! and Boyd is a pocket passer... hes like Freeman IMODennis Dixon still on the street? Tajh Boyd in the draft?
Are you implying that TRich wasnt worth where he was drafted???? Who would be there RB right now without him? turd hardesty??????Solid hire for the Browns.The Browns have been terrible at drafting and Kelly is an excellent evaluator of college talent. You think he would have traded up to take TR or drafted a 29 year old QB with questionable skills in the 1st round? Uh, no. It is very likely under a Kelly regime, RG3 would have been a Brown. Imagine RG3 running a Kelly offense. Now that would be fun to watch.
wait what?Even Chip Kelly knows it probably won't work. He's just looking to get paid. He figures lose badly for two years in Cleveland, get canned, sit and home and collect bank like everyone else who coaches there. That's why he won't bother to interview anywhere else.
We still talking about coach killing?2 coaches gave him 100+ million dollar deals for what you said equated to 9 wins. THAT is why he's a coach killer.Eagles won't be paying him anything close to $100million and please explain to me what one team signing him for has any bearing on his ability to play QB for his next team?Now factor in 100 million dollars for those 9 wins and you see his point...Most won't because it's not true. He's had two seasons in his entire career he posted a losing record as a starter. One was this year and on a team that quit. His career winning percentage as a starter is 56% which equates to about a 9 win season. Not great but not exactly coach killing kind of poor either.Vick = Coach Killer, when will people accept that?
He wasn't.Are you implying that TRich wasnt worth where he was drafted???? Who would be there RB right now without him? turd hardesty??????Solid hire for the Browns.
The Browns have been terrible at drafting and Kelly is an excellent evaluator of college talent. You think he would have traded up to take TR or drafted a 29 year old QB with questionable skills in the 1st round? Uh, no. It is very likely under a Kelly regime, RG3 would have been a Brown. Imagine RG3 running a Kelly offense. Now that would be fun to watch.
Yeah, he played with broken ribs all year in an offense not designed for him to be successful.Blast off coming in about 9 months...He wasn't.Are you implying that TRich wasnt worth where he was drafted???? Who would be there RB right now without him? turd hardesty??????Solid hire for the Browns.
The Browns have been terrible at drafting and Kelly is an excellent evaluator of college talent. You think he would have traded up to take TR or drafted a 29 year old QB with questionable skills in the 1st round? Uh, no. It is very likely under a Kelly regime, RG3 would have been a Brown. Imagine RG3 running a Kelly offense. Now that would be fun to watch.
Trading up to draft TR instead of RG3 is/was a huge mistake and it is rumored to be a main reason the GM got canned. No RB in the modern NFL is worth that. Give me RG3 and late round RB all day.Are you implying that TRich wasnt worth where he was drafted???? Who would be there RB right now without him? turd hardesty??????Solid hire for the Browns.The Browns have been terrible at drafting and Kelly is an excellent evaluator of college talent. You think he would have traded up to take TR or drafted a 29 year old QB with questionable skills in the 1st round? Uh, no. It is very likely under a Kelly regime, RG3 would have been a Brown. Imagine RG3 running a Kelly offense. Now that would be fun to watch.
elaborate please......He wasn't.Are you implying that TRich wasnt worth where he was drafted???? Who would be there RB right now without him? turd hardesty??????Solid hire for the Browns.
The Browns have been terrible at drafting and Kelly is an excellent evaluator of college talent. You think he would have traded up to take TR or drafted a 29 year old QB with questionable skills in the 1st round? Uh, no. It is very likely under a Kelly regime, RG3 would have been a Brown. Imagine RG3 running a Kelly offense. Now that would be fun to watch.
Why wouldn't a run-heavy offense work well on a cold windy day in any city at any time of the year? Won't the wind slow down the defense (depending on the direction they are running) just as much as the offense?Really?? You think that the Oregon offense would work well on a cold windy day in Cleveland in January?1,000% disagreeNot a good place for that offense if true.
How were they supposed to get RG3 if he went 2 overall?Trading up to draft TR instead of RG3 is/was a huge mistake and it is rumored to be a main reason the GM got canned. No RB in the modern NFL is worth that. Give me RG3 and late round RB all day.Are you implying that TRich wasnt worth where he was drafted???? Who would be there RB right now without him? turd hardesty??????Solid hire for the Browns.The Browns have been terrible at drafting and Kelly is an excellent evaluator of college talent. You think he would have traded up to take TR or drafted a 29 year old QB with questionable skills in the 1st round? Uh, no. It is very likely under a Kelly regime, RG3 would have been a Brown. Imagine RG3 running a Kelly offense. Now that would be fun to watch.
Yes, I think he will be back. As the bridge starter or competing for backup? Not sure, but I think he'll be back. Gut says we pick up Geno or Tahj then have Josh Johnson and Thad battle for #3 QB behind Colt, Colt starts if the rookies aren't ready.Didn't Colt McCoy run a somewhat similar offense at Texas?
I'm not sure what you're talking about. They tried to trade up for RG3, making a substantial offer, but the Rams took the Redskins deal.Trading up to draft TR instead of RG3 is/was a huge mistake and it is rumored to be a main reason the GM got canned. No RB in the modern NFL is worth that. Give me RG3 and late round RB all day.Are you implying that TRich wasnt worth where he was drafted???? Who would be there RB right now without him? turd hardesty??????Solid hire for the Browns.The Browns have been terrible at drafting and Kelly is an excellent evaluator of college talent. You think he would have traded up to take TR or drafted a 29 year old QB with questionable skills in the 1st round? Uh, no. It is very likely under a Kelly regime, RG3 would have been a Brown. Imagine RG3 running a Kelly offense. Now that would be fun to watch.
We had the ammo to trade, Holmgren and Heckert went chicken #### when they saw the price. Ultimately, that decision cost them their jobs.How were they supposed to get RG3 if he went 2 overall?Trading up to draft TR instead of RG3 is/was a huge mistake and it is rumored to be a main reason the GM got canned. No RB in the modern NFL is worth that. Give me RG3 and late round RB all day.Are you implying that TRich wasnt worth where he was drafted???? Who would be there RB right now without him? turd hardesty??????Solid hire for the Browns.The Browns have been terrible at drafting and Kelly is an excellent evaluator of college talent. You think he would have traded up to take TR or drafted a 29 year old QB with questionable skills in the 1st round? Uh, no. It is very likely under a Kelly regime, RG3 would have been a Brown. Imagine RG3 running a Kelly offense. Now that would be fun to watch.
Because the Browns had a ton more ammunition than the Skins. RG3 was theirs if they wanted him-How were they supposed to get RG3 if he went 2 overall?Trading up to draft TR instead of RG3 is/was a huge mistake and it is rumored to be a main reason the GM got canned. No RB in the modern NFL is worth that. Give me RG3 and late round RB all day.Are you implying that TRich wasnt worth where he was drafted???? Who would be there RB right now without him? turd hardesty??????Solid hire for the Browns.The Browns have been terrible at drafting and Kelly is an excellent evaluator of college talent. You think he would have traded up to take TR or drafted a 29 year old QB with questionable skills in the 1st round? Uh, no. It is very likely under a Kelly regime, RG3 would have been a Brown. Imagine RG3 running a Kelly offense. Now that would be fun to watch.
Only team willing to pay that CRAZY price was the Skins...... I think the browns would be worse off with RG3 and nothing else.We had the ammo to trade, Holmgren and Heckert went chicken #### when they saw the price. Ultimately, that decision cost them their jobs.How were they supposed to get RG3 if he went 2 overall?Trading up to draft TR instead of RG3 is/was a huge mistake and it is rumored to be a main reason the GM got canned. No RB in the modern NFL is worth that. Give me RG3 and late round RB all day.Are you implying that TRich wasnt worth where he was drafted???? Who would be there RB right now without him? turd hardesty??????Solid hire for the Browns.The Browns have been terrible at drafting and Kelly is an excellent evaluator of college talent. You think he would have traded up to take TR or drafted a 29 year old QB with questionable skills in the 1st round? Uh, no. It is very likely under a Kelly regime, RG3 would have been a Brown. Imagine RG3 running a Kelly offense. Now that would be fun to watch.
3rd overall pick, traded up for him, he averaged 3.6ypc. Maybe he will turn out great, but thus far you can not say he was worth being drafted where he was considering what was given up, where he was drafted, and his performance. Im sure people will make a million excuses for him because I know he is popular but the bottom line is the bottom line. If he is the next ADP then he will be worth it but unless he begins turning out 1,500 yard seasons it was a waste. You can get good RBs late.elaborate please......He wasn't.Are you implying that TRich wasnt worth where he was drafted???? Who would be there RB right now without him? turd hardesty??????Solid hire for the Browns.
The Browns have been terrible at drafting and Kelly is an excellent evaluator of college talent. You think he would have traded up to take TR or drafted a 29 year old QB with questionable skills in the 1st round? Uh, no. It is very likely under a Kelly regime, RG3 would have been a Brown. Imagine RG3 running a Kelly offense. Now that would be fun to watch.
What does yor gut say about the fate of Weeden?Yes, I think he will be back. As the bridge starter or competing for backup? Not sure, but I think he'll be back. Gut says we pick up Geno or Tahj then have Josh Johnson and Thad battle for #3 QB behind Colt, Colt starts if the rookies aren't ready.Didn't Colt McCoy run a somewhat similar offense at Texas?
Rumors of field turf being added have been going around for a while too, with Chip in tow this is now a near certainty.Why wouldn't a run-heavy offense work well on a cold windy day in any city at any time of the year? Won't the wind slow down the defense (depending on the direction they are running) just as much as the offense?Really?? You think that the Oregon offense would work well on a cold windy day in Cleveland in January?1,000% disagreeNot a good place for that offense if true.