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In the interest of full disclosure, I have watched exactly ZERO seconds on this kid. There were rumblings that he took plays off and wasn't on all the time. Perhaps I'm gun shy given the last guy they had with this label, but is it close to the same situation as with Peppers??

Peppers took entire seasons off.

I have just seen the highlights of this kid like you but everyone seems to think he is a slam dunk and would have gone higher if not for his heart issue.

Heres to hoping the Panthers can move up into the 3rd and pick up a lineman or safety.

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Has anyone actually seen both Hurney and Gettleman together at the same time?

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3 rounds in and 2 DTs. Cornerback/ Safety anyone? I know a strong D-line can hide some deficiencies in the defensive backfield but I gotta think CB/S. As The Commish mentioned earlier I thought that would come in round 2. I also have to assume they couldn't find a partner to trade down with to get back into the third round.

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Has anyone actually seen both Hurney and Gettleman together at the same time?

Seriously, this is becoming a carbon copy of a Hurney draft. Suspect we'll get a back TE, an inferior corner, and WR that will have a 5-10 career NFL snaps from here on out. It was nice knowing you Rivera, your new boss isn't doing you any favors.

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Has anyone actually seen both Hurney and Gettleman together at the same time?

Seriously, this is becoming a carbon copy of a Hurney draft. Suspect we'll get a back TE, an inferior corner, and WR that will have a 5-10 career NFL snaps from here on out. It was nice knowing you Rivera, your new boss isn't doing you any favors.
I don't agree at all. 3 picks, 3 big bodies at need positions. Next year will be the year they go CB fairly early IMO.

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Barner LOL...I'm sure Rivera is thrilled with a 5th RB behind Stewart, DWill, Tolbert, and Poole. After signing Ginn along with having Adams, I'm not sure if he will be returning kicks. Maybe a slot WR???

Did anyone in charge watch the game last year? Captain Munnerlyn and Haruki Nakamura will be on the field for us very frequently.

The tide had shifted to DWill being back this year. Does anyone expect him to be cut now? Does the LB pick give you concerns about Beason and might he be cut?

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Barner LOL...I'm sure Rivera is thrilled with a 5th RB behind Stewart, DWill, Tolbert, and Poole. After signing Ginn along with having Adams, I'm not sure if he will be returning kicks. Maybe a slot WR???

Did anyone in charge watch the game last year? Captain Munnerlyn and Haruki Nakamura will be on the field for us very frequently.

The tide had shifted to DWill being back this year. Does anyone expect him to be cut now? Does the LB pick give you concerns about Beason and might he be cut?

I think Beason stays. I think DW is a June 1st cut. Nakamura should not be starting. My guess is that it's Mitchell.

I'm ok with the DT picks. Our run defense was pretty poor last year. My hope is that we force teams into more 3rd and long by stopping the run. Mayock had good things to say about the G pick. I think the LB is depth and special teams and the RB is most likely to become a Sproles type scat-back player. This draft wasn't going to make us a playoff team. Way too many holes for that. My 2nd guess is that we pick up a G or T in free agency or after some of the cuts happen. Next year, I'd think we'd go WR/CB, maybe TE fairly early. I would have loved to trade down in the first as well, but I don't think a lot of teams were getting good value for the drop. Might as well take the BPA and I think Star was that in a position of need.

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Well....at least they didn't take a LB or RB....this is progress :thumbup:

Oops.

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Undrafted FAs Carolina Panthers

Players:

Colby Cameron, QB, Louisiana Tech

Taylor Cook, TE, Rice

Trey Diller, WR, Sam Houston State

Wes Horton, DE, Southern Cal

Bryan Jean-Pierre, DL, William & Mary

Damario Jeffery, LB, South Carolina

Pete Kontodiakos, P, Colorado State

Robert Lester, S, Alabama

Morgan Lineberry, K, Abilene Christian

Tori Mobley, G, Jacksonville State

Tyler Morgan, LS, Georgia Tech

Jesse Peterson, OT, Wheaton

Craig Roh, DE, Michigan

Melvin White, CB, Louisiana Lafayette

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Lester wasn't drafted?

No, and I was pretty happy to see him on that list. Wonder what turned everyone away?

Nevermind ETA:

Roll Bama Roll filed the following report on Lester's postseason performance immediately after the combine.

Unfortunately for his cohort in the defensive backfield, Robert Lester's Combine performance only cast an even more critical light on his potential as an NFL safety.

While Lester was a stalwart on a Bama defense that won three championships during his career, he has struggled to make an impression on pro scouts at both the Senior Bowl and at the Combine. His results have not been poor, but neither have they distinguished him from his fellow safety prospects.

Lester has to be considered a mid-round prospect at best. He doesn't translate into being anything more than a decent backup strong safety in the NFL. He struggles in coverage and cannot be asked to defend NFL-caliber receivers or tight ends down the field.

His performances at the combine and Senior Bowl pretty much verified what most of us thought heading into the draft process.

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Wow thats crazy, seems like all the dude did was produce on the field. Granted it was on Alabamas defense but the guy seemed to make big plays in most of the games I saw. Pleasant surprise to see him picked up at a position of need.

I hope he proves the scouts wrong. He certainly has the size for strong safety. Maybe he will not be featured in the defense but he will definitely be put to use.

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Lester wasn't drafted?

No, and I was pretty happy to see him on that list. Wonder what turned everyone away?

Nevermind ETA:

Roll Bama Roll filed the following report on Lester's postseason performance immediately after the combine.

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Unfortunately for his cohort in the defensive backfield, Robert Lester's Combine performance only cast an even more critical light on his potential as an NFL safety.

While Lester was a stalwart on a Bama defense that won three championships during his career, he has struggled to make an impression on pro scouts at both the Senior Bowl and at the Combine. His results have not been poor, but neither have they distinguished him from his fellow safety prospects.

Lester has to be considered a mid-round prospect at best. He doesn't translate into being anything more than a decent backup strong safety in the NFL. He struggles in coverage and cannot be asked to defend NFL-caliber receivers or tight ends down the field.

His performances at the combine and Senior Bowl pretty much verified what most of us thought heading into the draft process.

That should be good enough to compete for a starting position in our secondary.

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I see BnB is all doom and gloom. But this was a pretty good draft. We have so many corners and safeties coming to camp now it's ridiculous. Once we missed out on the top 2 why bother. The only reason to draft a wideout was if he was going to replace Smith. Those guys are in next years draft. In fact all the skill positions are going to be far deeper next year.

I like the double down on the line. Star makes a suspect line better immediately. And KK will get this year to get some more experience and coaching while still making an impact. Throw in Dwan and you have a nice 3 tackle rotation that doesn't give the O-line much of a break. Our front 7 is probably the best in the NFC South and could be one of the best in the league after they get some snaps. Oh and on these guys taking plays off. They were both on the field for over 90% of their teams defensive snaps. Probably 80+ a game. You take 80 snaps and see if your effort looks the same throughout.They won't get anywhere near that in the pros. Probably more like 30 or so game most of the time.

If the guard pans out that's a huge improvement to the O-line. You can't coach size or athleticism and he has both.

Someone ooh-oohed a linebacker pick. Well we needed one. And we got a guy that can play all 3 positions plus make a contribution to special teams.

And Barner is uber-fast. Sub 4.4 forty. He will push Ginn for returns. And I believe Ginn is a one year guy. Might be nice to have someone cheap on the payroll that can bring it in the return game next year. No one else on the team has shown consistent game changing ability back there. He was also featured in the offense he comes from. Shown he can carry the ball. He did have some fumble issues early on but only had one last year.

We weren't going to plug every hole with 5 picks. But all in all I like the way it went. I give it a B+ for now. If the OG makes the starting line up and shows he has it I'd give it an A. And really just what they did to upgrade the defense probably deserves an A but as a fan I get to be picky.

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I see BnB is all doom and gloom. But this was a pretty good draft. We have so many corners and safeties coming to camp now it's ridiculous. Once we missed out on the top 2 why bother. The only reason to draft a wideout was if he was going to replace Smith. Those guys are in next years draft. In fact all the skill positions are going to be far deeper next year.

I like the double down on the line. Star makes a suspect line better immediately. And KK will get this year to get some more experience and coaching while still making an impact. Throw in Dwan and you have a nice 3 tackle rotation that doesn't give the O-line much of a break. Our front 7 is probably the best in the NFC South and could be one of the best in the league after they get some snaps. Oh and on these guys taking plays off. They were both on the field for over 90% of their teams defensive snaps. Probably 80+ a game. You take 80 snaps and see if your effort looks the same throughout.They won't get anywhere near that in the pros. Probably more like 30 or so game most of the time.

If the guard pans out that's a huge improvement to the O-line. You can't coach size or athleticism and he has both.

Someone ooh-oohed a linebacker pick. Well we needed one. And we got a guy that can play all 3 positions plus make a contribution to special teams.

And Barner is uber-fast. Sub 4.4 forty. He will push Ginn for returns. And I believe Ginn is a one year guy. Might be nice to have someone cheap on the payroll that can bring it in the return game next year. No one else on the team has shown consistent game changing ability back there. He was also featured in the offense he comes from. Shown he can carry the ball. He did have some fumble issues early on but only had one last year.

We weren't going to plug every hole with 5 picks. But all in all I like the way it went. I give it a B+ for now. If the OG makes the starting line up and shows he has it I'd give it an A. And really just what they did to upgrade the defense probably deserves an A but as a fan I get to be picky.

BnB is full of doom and gloom after every draft. I like your summary NCC, and agree on all points.

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The tide had shifted to DWill being back this year. Does anyone expect him to be cut now?

Maybe not this year but I don't see how he is on the roster next season.

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I see BnB is all doom and gloom. But this was a pretty good draft. We have so many corners and safeties coming to camp now it's ridiculous. Once we missed out on the top 2 why bother. The only reason to draft a wideout was if he was going to replace Smith. Those guys are in next years draft. In fact all the skill positions are going to be far deeper next year.

I like the double down on the line. Star makes a suspect line better immediately. And KK will get this year to get some more experience and coaching while still making an impact. Throw in Dwan and you have a nice 3 tackle rotation that doesn't give the O-line much of a break. Our front 7 is probably the best in the NFC South and could be one of the best in the league after they get some snaps. Oh and on these guys taking plays off. They were both on the field for over 90% of their teams defensive snaps. Probably 80+ a game. You take 80 snaps and see if your effort looks the same throughout.They won't get anywhere near that in the pros. Probably more like 30 or so game most of the time.

If the guard pans out that's a huge improvement to the O-line. You can't coach size or athleticism and he has both.

Someone ooh-oohed a linebacker pick. Well we needed one. And we got a guy that can play all 3 positions plus make a contribution to special teams.

And Barner is uber-fast. Sub 4.4 forty. He will push Ginn for returns. And I believe Ginn is a one year guy. Might be nice to have someone cheap on the payroll that can bring it in the return game next year. No one else on the team has shown consistent game changing ability back there. He was also featured in the offense he comes from. Shown he can carry the ball. He did have some fumble issues early on but only had one last year.

We weren't going to plug every hole with 5 picks. But all in all I like the way it went. I give it a B+ for now. If the OG makes the starting line up and shows he has it I'd give it an A. And really just what they did to upgrade the defense probably deserves an A but as a fan I get to be picky.

I don't wade into the pool very often. Is this SOP for our good buddy BnB?? ;)

I was really excited about the first pick...after reading a bit got excited about the second pick. Gettleman is making it clear what his philosophy is. I'm not overly concerned that we didn't get "name" guys as long as they fit his vision. I'm concerned that the OG pick was a bit of a reach, but again...if he best fits the system I don't really care if there were guys ranked above him. I'd be lying if a little part of me didn't go down the "here we go again" path with the last picks. However, after a closer look, I think he was after guys for the future, but in the meantime can help out on special teams.

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I see BnB is all doom and gloom. But this was a pretty good draft. We have so many corners and safeties coming to camp now it's ridiculous. Once we missed out on the top 2 why bother. The only reason to draft a wideout was if he was going to replace Smith. Those guys are in next years draft. In fact all the skill positions are going to be far deeper next year.

I like the double down on the line. Star makes a suspect line better immediately. And KK will get this year to get some more experience and coaching while still making an impact. Throw in Dwan and you have a nice 3 tackle rotation that doesn't give the O-line much of a break. Our front 7 is probably the best in the NFC South and could be one of the best in the league after they get some snaps. Oh and on these guys taking plays off. They were both on the field for over 90% of their teams defensive snaps. Probably 80+ a game. You take 80 snaps and see if your effort looks the same throughout.They won't get anywhere near that in the pros. Probably more like 30 or so game most of the time.

If the guard pans out that's a huge improvement to the O-line. You can't coach size or athleticism and he has both.

Someone ooh-oohed a linebacker pick. Well we needed one. And we got a guy that can play all 3 positions plus make a contribution to special teams.

And Barner is uber-fast. Sub 4.4 forty. He will push Ginn for returns. And I believe Ginn is a one year guy. Might be nice to have someone cheap on the payroll that can bring it in the return game next year. No one else on the team has shown consistent game changing ability back there. He was also featured in the offense he comes from. Shown he can carry the ball. He did have some fumble issues early on but only had one last year.

We weren't going to plug every hole with 5 picks. But all in all I like the way it went. I give it a B+ for now. If the OG makes the starting line up and shows he has it I'd give it an A. And really just what they did to upgrade the defense probably deserves an A but as a fan I get to be picky.

I don't wade into the pool very often. Is this SOP for our good buddy BnB?? ;)

I was really excited about the first pick...after reading a bit got excited about the second pick. Gettleman is making it clear what his philosophy is. I'm not overly concerned that we didn't get "name" guys as long as they fit his vision. I'm concerned that the OG pick was a bit of a reach, but again...if he best fits the system I don't really care if there were guys ranked above him. I'd be lying if a little part of me didn't go down the "here we go again" path with the last picks. However, after a closer look, I think he was after guys for the future, but in the meantime can help out on special teams.

BnB can be a bit gloomy but we love him anyway. Obviously we won't know how good this is for 3 years or so but I think I see a plan. And really I never felt that way with the former regime. Of course we hear a lot of that pinned on JR. Allegedly he was the reason we were on the hook to Delhomme for 12 mil for example. Hopefully he is letting the new guys do it their way and not going all Jerry Jones on us again.

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Panthers official UDFA signings so far:

The Carolina Panthers announced Tuesday morning that they have agreed to terms with 13 undrafted rookies.

The list is headed by Louisiana Tech quarterback Colby Cameron, who might have a chance to compete with Jimmy Clausen for the No. 3 spot.

The rest of the list includes Rice tight end Taylor Cook, Sam Houston State receiver Trey Diller, Southern California defensive end Wes Horton, South Carolina linebacker Damario Jeffrey, East Carolina guard Robert Jones, Alabama defensive back Robert Lester, Abiline Christian kicker Morgan Lineberry, Jacksonville State guard Tori Mobley, Michigan defensive end Craig Roh, Oklaohma defensive tackle Casey Walker, Louisiana Lafayette defensive back Melvin White and Penn State fullback Mike Zordich.

Per ESPN

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Watched Roh's entire career...he's a bit undersized, but his motor just doesn't stop. He needs to bulk up a little bit.

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Watched Roh's entire career...he's a bit undersized, but his motor just doesn't stop. He needs to bulk up a little bit.

Yeah his main positives seem to be a constantly running motor and his position versatility, it seems Michigan had him do everything.

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I still cannot believe Lester didnt get drafted. nice pickup for the Panthers

I still cannot believe Lester didnt get drafted. nice pickup for the Panthers

Lester's coverage skills are suspect. He plays stiff and some times gets lost in the coverage. He may actually be a better prospect for linebacker than safety with his hitting ability, his willingness to tackle runners and his ability to blitz. Since he was generally considered a mid-round pick this was definitely s good value grab.

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The tide had shifted to DWill being back this year. Does anyone expect him to be cut now?

Maybe not this year but I don't see how he is on the roster next season.

Yeah IIRC next year we would actually get some cap relief cutting him if it goes that way. I'll be interested to see what we do with Stewart. IMO RB's have become pretty much interchangeable. Unless you get an AP you should just draft them, hold on to them through their first contract and then get new ones.

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I still cannot believe Lester didnt get drafted. nice pickup for the Panthers

>I still cannot believe Lester didnt get drafted. nice pickup for the Panthers

Lester's coverage skills are suspect. He plays stiff and some times gets lost in the coverage. He may actually be a better prospect for linebacker than safety with his hitting ability, his willingness to tackle runners and his ability to blitz. Since he was generally considered a mid-round pick this was definitely s good value grab.

Yeah I am not sure about his cover skills but the dude seemed to make big plays at times and never shied away from laying the wood and stopping the run. I think there is a place for that in certain defensive schemes. They certainly cannot build the defense around him but they sure can do stuff to use his assets.

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Watched Roh's entire career...he's a bit undersized, but his motor just doesn't stop. He needs to bulk up a little bit.

Yeah his main positives seem to be a constantly running motor and his position versatility, it seems Michigan had him do everything.

There were times...mid game....where they'd go from a 4-3 to a 3-4 because of his ability to play either way. It's sad half his career was wasted under RR.

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I see BnB is all doom and gloom. But this was a pretty good draft. We have so many corners and safeties coming to camp now it's ridiculous. Once we missed out on the top 2 why bother. The only reason to draft a wideout was if he was going to replace Smith. Those guys are in next years draft. In fact all the skill positions are going to be far deeper next year. I like the double down on the line. Star makes a suspect line better immediately. And KK will get this year to get some more experience and coaching while still making an impact. Throw in Dwan and you have a nice 3 tackle rotation that doesn't give the O-line much of a break. Our front 7 is probably the best in the NFC South and could be one of the best in the league after they get some snaps. Oh and on these guys taking plays off. They were both on the field for over 90% of their teams defensive snaps. Probably 80+ a game. You take 80 snaps and see if your effort looks the same throughout.They won't get anywhere near that in the pros. Probably more like 30 or so game most of the time. If the guard pans out that's a huge improvement to the O-line. You can't coach size or athleticism and he has both. Someone ooh-oohed a linebacker pick. Well we needed one. And we got a guy that can play all 3 positions plus make a contribution to special teams. And Barner is uber-fast. Sub 4.4 forty. He will push Ginn for returns. And I believe Ginn is a one year guy. Might be nice to have someone cheap on the payroll that can bring it in the return game next year. No one else on the team has shown consistent game changing ability back there. He was also featured in the offense he comes from. Shown he can carry the ball. He did have some fumble issues early on but only had one last year. We weren't going to plug every hole with 5 picks. But all in all I like the way it went. I give it a B+ for now. If the OG makes the starting line up and shows he has it I'd give it an A. And really just what they did to upgrade the defense probably deserves an A but as a fan I get to be picky.

BnB is full of doom and gloom after every draft. I like your summary NCC, and agree on all points.
BnB has been right more often than not on these things.Honestly this draft looks very similar to a Hurney draft. How many teams go small school guards in back to back drafts. How many times did Hurney draft a return guy?I hope Gettleman is a better talent evaluator in the later rounds than Hurney. Hurney did nail most of his first round picks aside from Otah (which was one of my favorite picks at the time :bag:).

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Jimmy Clausen, Everette Brown, Armanti Edwards, Dwayne Jarrett, Keary Colbert and Eric Shelton all say hello

Yeah he nailed the first round I will give him that but holy mother of God did he make a mockery out of rounds 2 and 3

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I see BnB is all doom and gloom. But this was a pretty good draft. We have so many corners and safeties coming to camp now it's ridiculous. Once we missed out on the top 2 why bother. The only reason to draft a wideout was if he was going to replace Smith. Those guys are in next years draft. In fact all the skill positions are going to be far deeper next year. I like the double down on the line. Star makes a suspect line better immediately. And KK will get this year to get some more experience and coaching while still making an impact. Throw in Dwan and you have a nice 3 tackle rotation that doesn't give the O-line much of a break. Our front 7 is probably the best in the NFC South and could be one of the best in the league after they get some snaps. Oh and on these guys taking plays off. They were both on the field for over 90% of their teams defensive snaps. Probably 80+ a game. You take 80 snaps and see if your effort looks the same throughout.They won't get anywhere near that in the pros. Probably more like 30 or so game most of the time. If the guard pans out that's a huge improvement to the O-line. You can't coach size or athleticism and he has both. Someone ooh-oohed a linebacker pick. Well we needed one. And we got a guy that can play all 3 positions plus make a contribution to special teams. And Barner is uber-fast. Sub 4.4 forty. He will push Ginn for returns. And I believe Ginn is a one year guy. Might be nice to have someone cheap on the payroll that can bring it in the return game next year. No one else on the team has shown consistent game changing ability back there. He was also featured in the offense he comes from. Shown he can carry the ball. He did have some fumble issues early on but only had one last year. We weren't going to plug every hole with 5 picks. But all in all I like the way it went. I give it a B+ for now. If the OG makes the starting line up and shows he has it I'd give it an A. And really just what they did to upgrade the defense probably deserves an A but as a fan I get to be picky.

BnB is full of doom and gloom after every draft. I like your summary NCC, and agree on all points.
BnB has been right more often than not on these things.Honestly this draft looks very similar to a Hurney draft. How many teams go small school guards in back to back drafts. How many times did Hurney draft a return guy?I hope Gettleman is a better talent evaluator in the later rounds than Hurney. Hurney did nail most of his first round picks aside from Otah (which was one of my favorite picks at the time :bag:).

There's more to it than this IMO. For example, I'd have had no problem with the Edwards pick had it been in the 6th or 7th round. That's why I don't have a real problem with the Barner pick. Where the two seem to be completely different is the "best on the board" vs "best player at position of need" philosophies. Granted, it's only one draft....we'll see what happens once he's fixed the mess and has a full arsenal of funds and picks at his disposal. So far, he's already shown more restraint than Hurney ever did.

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Barring a trade he's not going anywhere until next season earliest. We get no real relief cutting him this year and we lose a guy who can still produce.

They should have traded him last year when they had the opportunity.

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Barring a trade he's not going anywhere until next season earliest. We get no real relief cutting him this year and we lose a guy who can still produce.

If he is designated as a post-June 1st cute, Panthers save 3.4m against this year's cap.

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Barring a trade he's not going anywhere until next season earliest. We get no real relief cutting him this year and we lose a guy who can still produce.

If he is designated as a post-June 1st cute, Panthers save 3.4m against this year's cap.

But this year there is 9.6 million in dead money associated with his contract. So if we wait we skip that and get 9.2 million in relief if we cut him next year is my understanding.

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Hypothetically if DWill gets cut or traded what can we expect from Tauren Poole when Stewart gets hurt ?

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Hypothetically if DWill gets cut or traded what can we expect from Tauren Poole when Stewart gets hurt

He'll look good on the scout team while Barner is starting.

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Hypothetically if DWill gets cut or traded what can we expect from Tauren Poole when Stewart gets hurt

He'll look good on the scout team while Barner is starting.

I'm sure Barner likes to hear that but I don't know. I don't think he is here to be the 20 touches a game back. I think he is going to be in certain packages that hopefully create mismatches. Maybe even line him up in the slot some. But I don't think he will be the main guy.

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Hypothetically if DWill gets cut or traded what can we expect from Tauren Poole when Stewart gets hurt

He'll look good on the scout team while Barner is starting.

I'm sure Barner likes to hear that but I don't know. I don't think he is here to be the 20 touches a game back. I think he is going to be in certain packages that hopefully create mismatches. Maybe even line him up in the slot some. But I don't think he will be the main guy.

It's been years since we've had a 20+ type of back or a main guy. With Tolbert around, if it came down to Barner/Poole, I could see Barner getting more touches.

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Hypothetically if DWill gets cut or traded what can we expect from Tauren Poole when Stewart gets hurt

He'll look good on the scout team while Barner is starting.

I'm sure Barner likes to hear that but I don't know. I don't think he is here to be the 20 touches a game back. I think he is going to be in certain packages that hopefully create mismatches. Maybe even line him up in the slot some. But I don't think he will be the main guy.

It's been years since we've had a 20+ type of back or a main guy. With Tolbert around, if it came down to Barner/Poole, I could see Barner getting more touches.

I guess with Shula as OC and some of the offseason commentary from Rivera and Gettleman I expect a little more traditional offense. Not totally jettisoning everything Chud came up with but I bet you see a lot less option and a lot more power running.

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Hypothetically if DWill gets cut or traded what can we expect from Tauren Poole when Stewart gets hurt

He'll look good on the scout team while Barner is starting.

I'm sure Barner likes to hear that but I don't know. I don't think he is here to be the 20 touches a game back. I think he is going to be in certain packages that hopefully create mismatches. Maybe even line him up in the slot some. But I don't think he will be the main guy.

It's been years since we've had a 20+ type of back or a main guy. With Tolbert around, if it came down to Barner/Poole, I could see Barner getting more touches.

I guess with Shula as OC and some of the offseason commentary from Rivera and Gettleman I expect a little more traditional offense. Not totally jettisoning everything Chud came up with but I bet you see a lot less option and a lot more power running.

They only have $40+ million tied up in the backfield...no reason to think we'll see more power running ;)

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