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I think we will try to interview Norv, but all signs seem to point toward him going to Cleveland. On the OC front, it looks like we've got an interview scheduled with Hue Jackson. It's not a sexy pick, but he has head coaching experience, and has a lot of coaching experience in general. I wouldn't hate it if he was signed.

At this stage in teh game Hue Jackson would be a home run. I would love to lock him up.

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Looks like Shurmur is coming in as well. Jackson and Shurmur probably aren't my top choices, but they both are quality guys with head coaching experience. I like the direction of this search.. And I think Rivera realizes he needs that experience on the staff.I'd prefer Jackson over Shurmur by a great deal, if they end up being the top choices. I'm guessing there will be a number of other options interviewed, along with Shula (who I assume will be in the running).

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Hue Jackson would be an absolute home run. Power running scheme with a vertical offense. In his last stop as a true OC in Oakland, he had a top 10 offense in yardage, and I think was 6th overall in scoring -- with Jason Campbell as his QB (and some Gradkowski mixed in). The Coryell principles Cam has learned from Chud would be integrated. Makes perfect sense - and the offense would likely explode. Get it done Gettleman.

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Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Hue Jackson coming in. I'd still prefer Norv Turner, but he's second in my book right now of the available options.

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Jonathan Stewart just had arthroscopic surgery on his left ankle per a tweet from Schefter. Glad to see him taking care of that...Still think he has an unfair rep for injuries. Prior to this year, what was the number of actual games missed? Four? I think that's close. Poor luck this year with severe sprains to both ankles. I'd still buy if I didn't already own him everywhere. Especially if Hue Jackson becomes the new OC. I'd say there's a 65% chance Stew is the guy next year with DW gone, especially considering DW's contract and Carolina's cap nightmare.

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By Steve Harrisonsharrison@charlotteobserver.comPosted: Wednesday, Jan. 16, 2013 The Charlotte City Council has given an early endorsement to the Carolina Panthers’ request for $125 million in public money for stadium renovations, voting 7-2 to gauge the support of the N.C. General Assembly.Under the city’s plan, discussed Monday night, a 1 percent tax on prepared food and beverages would be increased to 2 percent. That money would help pay for renovations for Bank of America Stadium, the team’s home since 1996.Voting to advance the proposal – which still needs approval from the legislature and Republican Gov. Pat McCrory – were Democrats John Autry, LaWana Mayfield, James Mitchell, David Howard, Beth Pickering, Claire Fallon and Republican Andy Dulin.Republican Warren Cooksey and Democrat Michael Barnes voted no. Democrat Patsy Kinsey had left the meeting, and Mayor Pro Tem Patrick Cannon, a Democrat, abstained from the nonbinding vote due to a possible conflict. Mayor Anthony Foxx, a Democrat, didn’t vote. He has indicated in the past that he supports helping the team.The vote was an indication to the legislature that the city supports the proposal, though some council members said they are still negotiating with the Panthers. A number of council members said they believe that McCrory and legislative leaders also support the plan.If the General Assembly approves the tax increase, possibly next month, the City Council would then take a vote in open session to enact it.The total cost of the stadium renovations is reportedly more than $200 million. Panthers owner Jerry Richardson is also expected to ask the state for money, according to people who attended the meeting.Some council members are concerned about the team’s long-term future in Charlotte. Richardson, 76, has said he won’t move the team. But it’s unclear what his succession plan is, and some fear the team could be sold and moved, possibly to Los Angeles, which doesn’t have an NFL team. Richardson had a heart transplant in 2009.Two council members said the city is negotiating with the Panthers for some level of assurance the team would remain in Charlotte as a condition for the $125 million.Monday’s meeting was attended by Richardson and team President Danny Morrison. Both made a presentation to council members, and then left the closed session meeting before the vote. The team didn’t talk to the media Monday night. During a news conference Tuesday to introduce the team’s new general manager, Dave Gettleman, the team said it wouldn’t answer any questions about the stadium renovations. The team referred all questions to the city of Charlotte.The city’s decision to discuss the Panthers request in closed session was different from how it handled a request last year from the Charlotte Knights baseball team for money to build an uptown baseball stadium.When the Knights asked for city help, the issue was discussed in public meetings.Some council members said Tuesday they didn’t know why the Knights stadium deliberations were held in public, while the Panthers were allowed to meet with council members in private.“I don’t have an answer for that,” said Cooksey. He added that he would not discuss what was said in a closed session meeting.Pickering said the Panthers are “important” to Charlotte and a public debate over the plan could have led to “misimpressions.”She said the Knights’ desire for an uptown stadium had been discussed for years before council members considered giving the team money.Higher food and bar taxesCouncil members had previously believed that the city would increase Mecklenburg County’s hotel/motel occupancy tax to pay for stadium renovations. But city staff told council members Monday that the hotel/motel tax is high enough already.The total Mecklenburg tax on hotel and motel rooms is 15.25 percent. The tax was raised by two percentage points last decade to pay for the $200 million NASCAR Hall of Fame.Staff members instead turned to a countywide 1 percent tax on prepared food and beverages that was enacted more than 20 years ago to pay for the Charlotte Convention Center. That tax generates about $24 million a year.An increase in that tax may only be for the city of Charlotte – not the entire county. If limited to the city of Charlotte, that increase would reportedly generate about $18 million or $19 million a year.If the tax is approved, the overall sales tax for restaurant and bar purchases inside the city would increase to 9.25 percent. For a city resident who spends $50 a week on prepared food and beverages, the tax increase would cost about 50 cents a week, or $26 a year.The N.C. Restaurant and Lodging Association has said in the past that restaurants shouldn’t be singled out for special taxes. The current president, Lynn Minges, couldn’t be reached for comment Tuesday.Chris Walker, a spokesperson for McCrory, said the governor has no comment on the issue and hasn’t been approached about it.Jordan Shaw, a spokesperson for House Speaker Thom Tillis, a Republican from Cornelius, couldn’t be reached for comment.The possible tax increase comes as Foxx and the City Council are trying to pass a multi-year capital program, which could cost between $500 million and $900 million. Any capital plan would require a property tax increase.Laying the groundworkThere have been indications for months that the City Council was open to helping the city’s NFL team.In October, several council members toured MetLife Stadium, a new $1.6 billion facility in New Jersey used by the New York Giants and New York Jets. The stadium is one of the league’s most modern and luxurious, and public officials and business leaders were impressed by the stadium’s exclusive suites and club areas. The trip was part of the Charlotte Chamber’s inter-city visit. Richardson flew to New York to speak with council members and others on the tour. A day after the stadium tour, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell told the Charlotte delegation that the city could one day host a Super Bowl, so long as Bank of America Stadium is renovated and the city adds hotel rooms uptown.The team has given only a few details of what a renovation could entail. The team told the Observer last fall that Richardson wants to add escalators to make it easier for fans to reach the upper bowl. In addition, the team wants to improve its video boards.During Monday’s meeting, the team reportedly told council members it would also improve suites.When Richardson built Bank of America Stadium in the mid 1990s, the public contributed $60 million toward infrastructure. But the team – along with people who bought Personal Seat Licenses and luxury suites – paid for the stadium’s construction. The stadium cost about $187 million.The team has often struggled on the field. But the value of the franchise has grown, according to an estimate by Forbes magazine, which has said the team is worth $1.05 billion. The fee paid to the NFL for getting the franchise was $140 million.A decade after the stadium opened, the Charlotte Bobcats basketball team got a much more generous deal from the public. The city of Charlotte paid the entire cost of the Bobcats’ home Time Warner Cable Arena uptown – $265 million. Other NFL teams have received significant public support.In Minnesota, taxpayers are paying for half of the cost of a planned $975 million stadium for the Vikings. In Indianapolis, the public paid for almost all of the new $720 million stadium for the NFL’s Colts, which opened in 2008.The owner of the Miami Dolphins, Stephen Ross, said Monday he wants to spend $400 million upgrading his team’s stadium. He asked for $200 million in public funds.MetLife Stadium in New Jersey, was paid for primarily by the Giants and the Jets.Raising the food and beverage tax inside the city of Charlotte could generate more money annually than would be needed for a debt payment on $125 million. It’s possible the extra money could be used for other projects, such as a renovation of Bojangles’ Coliseum.

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I for one am against this corporate wellfare. Read yesterday that Charlotte is the 18th largest US city and 5th largest metro area. I jerry wants to give up that market then adois. We should not be paying for his stadium especially when he's reaping in huge profits and the value of the team keeps increasing. I for one will be boycotting any Charlotte bars/food.

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I for one am against this corporate wellfare. Read yesterday that Charlotte is the 18th largest US city and 5th largest metro area. I jerry wants to give up that market then adois. We should not be paying for his stadium especially when he's reaping in huge profits and the value of the team keeps increasing. I for one will be boycotting any Charlotte bars/food.

I agree. This partcularly irks me because I spend a pretty large portion of my income on bars and food while not even liking the Panthers. At least it is a better use of 100mm than the ####### streetcar, but I'm sure Fox will find the money for that sitting in my pocket too. :thumbdown:

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I for one am against this corporate wellfare. Read yesterday that Charlotte is the 18th largest US city and 5th largest metro area. I jerry wants to give up that market then adois. We should not be paying for his stadium especially when he's reaping in huge profits and the value of the team keeps increasing. I for one will be boycotting any Charlotte bars/food.

I agree. This partcularly irks me because I spend a pretty large portion of my income on bars and food while not even liking the Panthers. At least it is a better use of 100mm than the ####### streetcar, but I'm sure Fox will find the money for that sitting in my pocket too. :thumbdown:
Its a 1% change dude.

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I for one am against this corporate wellfare. Read yesterday that Charlotte is the 18th largest US city and 5th largest metro area. I jerry wants to give up that market then adois. We should not be paying for his stadium especially when he's reaping in huge profits and the value of the team keeps increasing. I for one will be boycotting any Charlotte bars/food.

I agree. This partcularly irks me because I spend a pretty large portion of my income on bars and food while not even liking the Panthers. At least it is a better use of 100mm than the ####### streetcar, but I'm sure Fox will find the money for that sitting in my pocket too. :thumbdown:
Its a 1% change dude.
I don't like any of my taxes going to corporate welfare, especially not when it is this explicit. Why don't you care about your taxes going up?

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I for one am against this corporate wellfare. Read yesterday that Charlotte is the 18th largest US city and 5th largest metro area. I jerry wants to give up that market then adois. We should not be paying for his stadium especially when he's reaping in huge profits and the value of the team keeps increasing. I for one will be boycotting any Charlotte bars/food.

I agree. This partcularly irks me because I spend a pretty large portion of my income on bars and food while not even liking the Panthers. At least it is a better use of 100mm than the ####### streetcar, but I'm sure Fox will find the money for that sitting in my pocket too. :thumbdown:
Its a 1% change dude.
I don't like any of my taxes going to corporate welfare, especially not when it is this explicit. Why don't you care about your taxes going up?
If its only 1% and guarantees that Panthers will be in Charlotte forever then I wouldnt care plus the renovations should be pretty sweet.

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I for one am against this corporate wellfare. Read yesterday that Charlotte is the 18th largest US city and 5th largest metro area. I jerry wants to give up that market then adois. We should not be paying for his stadium especially when he's reaping in huge profits and the value of the team keeps increasing. I for one will be boycotting any Charlotte bars/food.

I agree. This partcularly irks me because I spend a pretty large portion of my income on bars and food while not even liking the Panthers. At least it is a better use of 100mm than the ####### streetcar, but I'm sure Fox will find the money for that sitting in my pocket too. :thumbdown:
Its a 1% change dude.
I don't like any of my taxes going to corporate welfare, especially not when it is this explicit. Why don't you care about your taxes going up?
If its only 1% and guarantees that Panthers will be in Charlotte forever then I wouldnt care plus the renovations should be pretty sweet.
Do you even live in Charlotte?I don't really see what needs to be renovated at BofA Stadium either, it is a pretty nice stadium that isn't very old. Worst thing about it are how steep of an angle the upper deck is at, but that isn't being changed. Edited by Slapdash

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I for one am against this corporate wellfare. Read yesterday that Charlotte is the 18th largest US city and 5th largest metro area. I jerry wants to give up that market then adois. We should not be paying for his stadium especially when he's reaping in huge profits and the value of the team keeps increasing. I for one will be boycotting any Charlotte bars/food.

I agree. This partcularly irks me because I spend a pretty large portion of my income on bars and food while not even liking the Panthers. At least it is a better use of 100mm than the ####### streetcar, but I'm sure Fox will find the money for that sitting in my pocket too. :thumbdown:
Its a 1% change dude.
I don't like any of my taxes going to corporate welfare, especially not when it is this explicit. Why don't you care about your taxes going up?
If its only 1% and guarantees that Panthers will be in Charlotte forever then I wouldnt care plus the renovations should be pretty sweet.
Do you even live in Charlotte?I don't really see what needs to be renovated at BofA Stadium either, it is a pretty nice stadium that isn't very old. Worst thing about it are how steep of an angle the upper deck is at, but that isn't being changed.
Have you been to any new or recently upgraded NFL stadiums recently? BOA is clearly behind the times in a number of areas. Some things as small as better food options, to things as large as stadium wide escalators and much needed jumbotron upgrade. Personally, in terms of tax increases, this is one of the least intrusive ones that I've seen. A 1% restaurant sales tax will be largely unnoticed by a vast majority of the people who go out.Are you really going to notice a 50 cent increase on a $50 dinner? Or a 7 cent increase on a $7 fast food pickup?Charlotte got a really good deal when the Panthers came to town, funded almost entirely through PSL's. Most areas don't have that luxury. If it was an overall sales tax increase, I could see the anger...but I just don't see it being that big of a deal since it's just a restaurant tax hike. Edited by solorca

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I for one am against this corporate wellfare. Read yesterday that Charlotte is the 18th largest US city and 5th largest metro area. I jerry wants to give up that market then adois. We should not be paying for his stadium especially when he's reaping in huge profits and the value of the team keeps increasing. I for one will be boycotting any Charlotte bars/food.

I agree. This partcularly irks me because I spend a pretty large portion of my income on bars and food while not even liking the Panthers. At least it is a better use of 100mm than the ####### streetcar, but I'm sure Fox will find the money for that sitting in my pocket too. :thumbdown:
Its a 1% change dude.
I don't like any of my taxes going to corporate welfare, especially not when it is this explicit. Why don't you care about your taxes going up?
If its only 1% and guarantees that Panthers will be in Charlotte forever then I wouldnt care plus the renovations should be pretty sweet.
Do you even live in Charlotte?I don't really see what needs to be renovated at BofA Stadium either, it is a pretty nice stadium that isn't very old. Worst thing about it are how steep of an angle the upper deck is at, but that isn't being changed.
Have you been to any new or recently upgraded NFL stadiums recently? BOA is clearly behind the times in a number of areas. Some things as small as better food options, to things as large as stadium wide escalators and much needed jumbotron upgrade. Personally, in terms of tax increases, this is one of the least intrusive ones that I've seen. A 1% restaurant sales tax will be largely unnoticed by a vast majority of the people who go out.Are you really going to notice a 50 cent increase on a $50 dinner? Or a 7 cent increase on a $7 fast food pickup?Charlotte got a really good deal when the Panthers came to town, funded almost entirely through PSL's. Most areas don't have that luxury. If it was an overall sales tax increase, I could see the anger...but I just don't see it being that big of a deal since it's just a restaurant tax hike.
Jerry sure needs the money more than the kids...http://www.cms.k12.nc.us/cmsdepartments/athletics/Athletic%20Participation%20Fee/Athletic%20Participation%20Fee_Fact%20Sheet_2012-13.pdf

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I for one am against this corporate wellfare. Read yesterday that Charlotte is the 18th largest US city and 5th largest metro area. I jerry wants to give up that market then adois. We should not be paying for his stadium especially when he's reaping in huge profits and the value of the team keeps increasing. I for one will be boycotting any Charlotte bars/food.

I agree. This partcularly irks me because I spend a pretty large portion of my income on bars and food while not even liking the Panthers. At least it is a better use of 100mm than the ####### streetcar, but I'm sure Fox will find the money for that sitting in my pocket too. :thumbdown:
Its a 1% change dude.
I don't like any of my taxes going to corporate welfare, especially not when it is this explicit. Why don't you care about your taxes going up?
If its only 1% and guarantees that Panthers will be in Charlotte forever then I wouldnt care plus the renovations should be pretty sweet.
Do you even live in Charlotte?I don't really see what needs to be renovated at BofA Stadium either, it is a pretty nice stadium that isn't very old. Worst thing about it are how steep of an angle the upper deck is at, but that isn't being changed.
Have you been to any new or recently upgraded NFL stadiums recently? BOA is clearly behind the times in a number of areas. Some things as small as better food options, to things as large as stadium wide escalators and much needed jumbotron upgrade. Personally, in terms of tax increases, this is one of the least intrusive ones that I've seen. A 1% restaurant sales tax will be largely unnoticed by a vast majority of the people who go out.Are you really going to notice a 50 cent increase on a $50 dinner? Or a 7 cent increase on a $7 fast food pickup?Charlotte got a really good deal when the Panthers came to town, funded almost entirely through PSL's. Most areas don't have that luxury. If it was an overall sales tax increase, I could see the anger...but I just don't see it being that big of a deal since it's just a restaurant tax hike.
I think the only NFL stadiums I have been in are Bank of America, The Georgia Dome, and Fedex. I didn't really notice a big difference honestly. All are much nicer than any college football stadium I have been in. Does it cost money to have better food options? Wouldn't they just take the place of exisisting ones with higher prices? Are the Panthers somehow losing money on the 10 dollar boxes of Bojangel's chicken tenders?My alma matter just put in a large new jumbotron for just 6.5 million dollars, so are they spending the other 120 million on adding escalators? I don't see why I should pay more everytime I go out if this is all about people being too lazy to walk up the damn ramps. Certainly not when there are valuable things like infrastructure and education starved for funding since the City of Charlotte gives out money for every sports related boondoggle that comes along, as BnB has noted. It doesn't matter how noticable a tax is, just that it is there.Why shouldn't Jerry Richardson pay for the superfluous upgrades to the stadium he has made hundreds of millions using and continue to benefit from? Why should I subsidize his profits? Edited by Slapdash

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I don't see why I should pay more everytime I go out if this is all about people being too lazy to walk up the damn ramps. Certainly not when there are valuable things like infrastructure and education starved for funding since the City of Charlotte gives out money for every sports related boondoggle that comes along, as BnB has noted.

Dang :goodposting: 1% of the hotel tax for NASCAR HOF1% sales tax for a choo-choo trainSerious question...why doesn't Jerry just write the check? He'll be getting the add'l revenues.

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Have you been to any new or recently upgraded NFL stadiums recently? BOA is clearly behind the times in a number of areas. Some things as small as better food options, to things as large as stadium wide escalators and much needed jumbotron upgrade. Personally, in terms of tax increases, this is one of the least intrusive ones that I've seen. A 1% restaurant sales tax will be largely unnoticed by a vast majority of the people who go out.Are you really going to notice a 50 cent increase on a $50 dinner? Or a 7 cent increase on a $7 fast food pickup?Charlotte got a really good deal when the Panthers came to town, funded almost entirely through PSL's. Most areas don't have that luxury. If it was an overall sales tax increase, I could see the anger...but I just don't see it being that big of a deal since it's just a restaurant tax hike.

I don't see the big deal either.

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I for one am against this corporate wellfare. Read yesterday that Charlotte is the 18th largest US city and 5th largest metro area. I jerry wants to give up that market then adois. We should not be paying for his stadium especially when he's reaping in huge profits and the value of the team keeps increasing. I for one will be boycotting any Charlotte bars/food.

I agree. This partcularly irks me because I spend a pretty large portion of my income on bars and food while not even liking the Panthers. At least it is a better use of 100mm than the ####### streetcar, but I'm sure Fox will find the money for that sitting in my pocket too. :thumbdown:
Its a 1% change dude.
I don't like any of my taxes going to corporate welfare, especially not when it is this explicit. Why don't you care about your taxes going up?
If its only 1% and guarantees that Panthers will be in Charlotte forever then I wouldnt care plus the renovations should be pretty sweet.
Do you even live in Charlotte?I don't really see what needs to be renovated at BofA Stadium either, it is a pretty nice stadium that isn't very old. Worst thing about it are how steep of an angle the upper deck is at, but that isn't being changed.
Have you been to any new or recently upgraded NFL stadiums recently? BOA is clearly behind the times in a number of areas. Some things as small as better food options, to things as large as stadium wide escalators and much needed jumbotron upgrade. Personally, in terms of tax increases, this is one of the least intrusive ones that I've seen. A 1% restaurant sales tax will be largely unnoticed by a vast majority of the people who go out.Are you really going to notice a 50 cent increase on a $50 dinner? Or a 7 cent increase on a $7 fast food pickup?Charlotte got a really good deal when the Panthers came to town, funded almost entirely through PSL's. Most areas don't have that luxury. If it was an overall sales tax increase, I could see the anger...but I just don't see it being that big of a deal since it's just a restaurant tax hike.
Jerry sure needs the money more than the kids...http://www.cms.k12.nc.us/cmsdepartments/athletics/Athletic%20Participation%20Fee/Athletic%20Participation%20Fee_Fact%20Sheet_2012-13.pdf
Funds allocations aren't that simple. Just because one thing got funds doesn't mean that it would affect anything else. Most likely, if this tax wasn't put into place, there wouldn't have been a tax at all...and nothing would have benefited.Not to mention, a 1% tax increase is a small price to pay for the added revenue that the stadium brings to the Charlotte area.

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I for one am against this corporate wellfare. Read yesterday that Charlotte is the 18th largest US city and 5th largest metro area. I jerry wants to give up that market then adois. We should not be paying for his stadium especially when he's reaping in huge profits and the value of the team keeps increasing. I for one will be boycotting any Charlotte bars/food.

I agree. This partcularly irks me because I spend a pretty large portion of my income on bars and food while not even liking the Panthers. At least it is a better use of 100mm than the ####### streetcar, but I'm sure Fox will find the money for that sitting in my pocket too. :thumbdown:
Its a 1% change dude.
I don't like any of my taxes going to corporate welfare, especially not when it is this explicit. Why don't you care about your taxes going up?
If its only 1% and guarantees that Panthers will be in Charlotte forever then I wouldnt care plus the renovations should be pretty sweet.
Do you even live in Charlotte?I don't really see what needs to be renovated at BofA Stadium either, it is a pretty nice stadium that isn't very old. Worst thing about it are how steep of an angle the upper deck is at, but that isn't being changed.
Have you been to any new or recently upgraded NFL stadiums recently? BOA is clearly behind the times in a number of areas. Some things as small as better food options, to things as large as stadium wide escalators and much needed jumbotron upgrade. Personally, in terms of tax increases, this is one of the least intrusive ones that I've seen. A 1% restaurant sales tax will be largely unnoticed by a vast majority of the people who go out.Are you really going to notice a 50 cent increase on a $50 dinner? Or a 7 cent increase on a $7 fast food pickup?Charlotte got a really good deal when the Panthers came to town, funded almost entirely through PSL's. Most areas don't have that luxury. If it was an overall sales tax increase, I could see the anger...but I just don't see it being that big of a deal since it's just a restaurant tax hike.
I think the only NFL stadiums I have been in are Bank of America, The Georgia Dome, and Fedex. I didn't really notice a big difference honestly. All are much nicer than any college football stadium I have been in. Does it cost money to have better food options? Wouldn't they just take the place of exisisting ones with higher prices? Are the Panthers somehow losing money on the 10 dollar boxes of Bojangel's chicken tenders?My alma matter just put in a large new jumbotron for just 6.5 million dollars, so are they spending the other 120 million on adding escalators? I don't see why I should pay more everytime I go out if this is all about people being too lazy to walk up the damn ramps. Certainly not when there are valuable things like infrastructure and education starved for funding since the City of Charlotte gives out money for every sports related boondoggle that comes along, as BnB has noted. It doesn't matter how noticable a tax is, just that it is there.Why shouldn't Jerry Richardson pay for the superfluous upgrades to the stadium he has made hundreds of millions using and continue to benefit from? Why should I subsidize his profits?
The Georgia Dome is in a similar situation as BOA, probably worse. It's outdated and needs upgrades. I haven't been to JFK, so I can't speak to that one directly. When you don't have tradition (Lambeau, for instance), you have to compete by keeping up. Making upgrades after 20 years is reasonable. You're right, the team is making money off of Bojangles, etc. but with better options (that would need different equipment, etc.), more people would purchase food. Personally, I've been to the stadium probably 100 times, and I can count on one hand the number of times I've eaten food there. I'm sure I'm not alone. I was just naming a couple of things off the top of my head that could be upgraded. I'm sure there are a number of other things that the money will be used for.You make a good point about there being other things that the money can go to, but as I stated before, I doubt the money would exist if it wasn't being put to this use. The simple fact is that without upgrades, the team has a much higher probability of leaving the city. If they leave the city, the revenue loss to the downtown area, including restaurants, would be quite large. Sure, it's a possibility they could hang around without the upgrades...but the city probably didn't want to risk that. Especially now that there is news that Richardson has a two year plan in place to sell the team after he passes (which is, let's be honest, probably not that far away).I don't like additional taxes anymore than anyone else, but this is one of the more reasonable ones I've seen recently. It affects an area where people are likely to pay the tax without even noticing it exists. Edited by solorca

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To move on to another subject, it's sounding like Toub isn't likely to come in as the Special Teams coach (rumors are that he's heading to Kansas City). Bobby April has interviewed however, and is a fine second option. If we can get either of these guys, the impact on special teams should be great.At offensive coordinator, Hue Jackson is still my favorite current option, but it's looking like Ken Whisenhunt may be in play since it's looking unlikely that he'll get a head coaching job. Either guy would be a great addition, bringing head coaching experience with them, which is desperately needed. Shurmur also has head coaching experience, but I'm really hoping we don't go in that direction. Hopefully Shula is just going to get a cursory look, and isn't a serious contender. While he may be a good coordinator if given the chance, I think we need previous head coaching experience on the roster.

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Funds allocations aren't that simple. Just because one thing got funds doesn't mean that it would affect anything else. Most likely, if this tax wasn't put into place, there wouldn't have been a tax at all...and nothing would have benefited.Not to mention, a 1% tax increase is a small price to pay for the added revenue that the stadium brings to the Charlotte area.

If the team is bringing all this money to the city, then allocate those taxes collected already to pay for this.

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The simple fact is that without upgrades, the team has a much higher probability of leaving the city. If they leave the city, the revenue loss to the downtown area, including restaurants, would be quite large. Sure, it's a possibility they could hang around without the upgrades...but the city probably didn't want to risk that. Especially now that there is news that Richardson has a two year plan in place to sell the team after he passes (which is, let's be honest, probably not that far away).I don't like additional taxes anymore than anyone else, but this is one of the more reasonable ones I've seen recently. It affects an area where people are likely to pay the tax without even noticing it exists.

The NFL won't leave this market. Just read yesterday Charlotte is the 18th largest city and has the 5th largest metro area. Enough is enough. The city keeps falling for these boondoggles and increasing taxes to pay for them while cutting out high schools sports and education funds.

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The simple fact is that without upgrades, the team has a much higher probability of leaving the city. If they leave the city, the revenue loss to the downtown area, including restaurants, would be quite large. Sure, it's a possibility they could hang around without the upgrades...but the city probably didn't want to risk that. Especially now that there is news that Richardson has a two year plan in place to sell the team after he passes (which is, let's be honest, probably not that far away).I don't like additional taxes anymore than anyone else, but this is one of the more reasonable ones I've seen recently. It affects an area where people are likely to pay the tax without even noticing it exists.

The NFL won't leave this market. Just read yesterday Charlotte is the 18th largest city and has the 5th largest metro area. Enough is enough. The city keeps falling for these boondoggles and increasing taxes to pay for them while cutting out high schools sports and education funds.
If we've learned anything with the lottery debacle, funds that are allocated to go to schools are being filtered to other areas. Again, you can oppose the tax if you want, but the fact that they got the money has no bearing on high school sports and education funds. Edited by solorca

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The simple fact is that without upgrades, the team has a much higher probability of leaving the city. If they leave the city, the revenue loss to the downtown area, including restaurants, would be quite large. Sure, it's a possibility they could hang around without the upgrades...but the city probably didn't want to risk that. Especially now that there is news that Richardson has a two year plan in place to sell the team after he passes (which is, let's be honest, probably not that far away).I don't like additional taxes anymore than anyone else, but this is one of the more reasonable ones I've seen recently. It affects an area where people are likely to pay the tax without even noticing it exists.

The NFL won't leave this market. Just read yesterday Charlotte is the 18th largest city and has the 5th largest metro area. Enough is enough. The city keeps falling for these boondoggles and increasing taxes to pay for them while cutting out high schools sports and education funds.
If we've learned anything with the lottery debacle, funds that are allocated to go to schools are being filtered to other areas. Again, you can oppose the tax if you want, but the fact that they got the money has no bearing on high school sports and education funds.
I'm shocked that the city isn't going to ask the new governor and former mayor for the state to kick in a portion of these monies.

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The simple fact is that without upgrades, the team has a much higher probability of leaving the city. If they leave the city, the revenue loss to the downtown area, including restaurants, would be quite large. Sure, it's a possibility they could hang around without the upgrades...but the city probably didn't want to risk that. Especially now that there is news that Richardson has a two year plan in place to sell the team after he passes (which is, let's be honest, probably not that far away).I don't like additional taxes anymore than anyone else, but this is one of the more reasonable ones I've seen recently. It affects an area where people are likely to pay the tax without even noticing it exists.

The NFL won't leave this market. Just read yesterday Charlotte is the 18th largest city and has the 5th largest metro area. Enough is enough. The city keeps falling for these boondoggles and increasing taxes to pay for them while cutting out high schools sports and education funds.
Its one percent dude. Settle down

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To move on to another subject, it's sounding like Toub isn't likely to come in as the Special Teams coach (rumors are that he's heading to Kansas City). Bobby April has interviewed however, and is a fine second option. If we can get either of these guys, the impact on special teams should be great.At offensive coordinator, Hue Jackson is still my favorite current option, but it's looking like Ken Whisenhunt may be in play since it's looking unlikely that he'll get a head coaching job. Either guy would be a great addition, bringing head coaching experience with them, which is desperately needed. Shurmur also has head coaching experience, but I'm really hoping we don't go in that direction. Hopefully Shula is just going to get a cursory look, and isn't a serious contender. While he may be a good coordinator if given the chance, I think we need previous head coaching experience on the roster.

Yeah, Toub signed with KC. April would be a nice hire. I too favor Hue Jackson thus far in the search for an OC.

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Whisenhunt didn't go to Denver, so you have to think that the Panthers may bring him in for an interview.As of now, Joe Person is reporting that we've only interviewed Hue Jackson and Pat Shurmur, along with Shula. Then again, it's Person, so it's completely possible there was an interview or two that he knows nothing about.

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I for one am against this corporate wellfare. Read yesterday that Charlotte is the 18th largest US city and 5th largest metro area. I jerry wants to give up that market then adois. We should not be paying for his stadium especially when he's reaping in huge profits and the value of the team keeps increasing. I for one will be boycotting any Charlotte bars/food.

I agree. This partcularly irks me because I spend a pretty large portion of my income on bars and food while not even liking the Panthers. At least it is a better use of 100mm than the ####### streetcar, but I'm sure Fox will find the money for that sitting in my pocket too. :thumbdown:
Its a 1% change dude.
I don't like any of my taxes going to corporate welfare, especially not when it is this explicit. Why don't you care about your taxes going up?
If its only 1% and guarantees that Panthers will be in Charlotte forever then I wouldnt care plus the renovations should be pretty sweet.
Do you even live in Charlotte?I don't really see what needs to be renovated at BofA Stadium either, it is a pretty nice stadium that isn't very old. Worst thing about it are how steep of an angle the upper deck is at, but that isn't being changed.
Have you been to any new or recently upgraded NFL stadiums recently? BOA is clearly behind the times in a number of areas. Some things as small as better food options, to things as large as stadium wide escalators and much needed jumbotron upgrade. Personally, in terms of tax increases, this is one of the least intrusive ones that I've seen. A 1% restaurant sales tax will be largely unnoticed by a vast majority of the people who go out.Are you really going to notice a 50 cent increase on a $50 dinner? Or a 7 cent increase on a $7 fast food pickup?Charlotte got a really good deal when the Panthers came to town, funded almost entirely through PSL's. Most areas don't have that luxury. If it was an overall sales tax increase, I could see the anger...but I just don't see it being that big of a deal since it's just a restaurant tax hike.
I think the only NFL stadiums I have been in are Bank of America, The Georgia Dome, and Fedex. I didn't really notice a big difference honestly. All are much nicer than any college football stadium I have been in. Does it cost money to have better food options? Wouldn't they just take the place of exisisting ones with higher prices? Are the Panthers somehow losing money on the 10 dollar boxes of Bojangel's chicken tenders?My alma matter just put in a large new jumbotron for just 6.5 million dollars, so are they spending the other 120 million on adding escalators? I don't see why I should pay more everytime I go out if this is all about people being too lazy to walk up the damn ramps. Certainly not when there are valuable things like infrastructure and education starved for funding since the City of Charlotte gives out money for every sports related boondoggle that comes along, as BnB has noted. It doesn't matter how noticable a tax is, just that it is there.Why shouldn't Jerry Richardson pay for the superfluous upgrades to the stadium he has made hundreds of millions using and continue to benefit from? Why should I subsidize his profits?
The Georgia Dome is in a similar situation as BOA, probably worse. It's outdated and needs upgrades. I haven't been to JFK, so I can't speak to that one directly. When you don't have tradition (Lambeau, for instance), you have to compete by keeping up. Making upgrades after 20 years is reasonable. You're right, the team is making money off of Bojangles, etc. but with better options (that would need different equipment, etc.), more people would purchase food. Personally, I've been to the stadium probably 100 times, and I can count on one hand the number of times I've eaten food there. I'm sure I'm not alone. I was just naming a couple of things off the top of my head that could be upgraded. I'm sure there are a number of other things that the money will be used for.You make a good point about there being other things that the money can go to, but as I stated before, I doubt the money would exist if it wasn't being put to this use. The simple fact is that without upgrades, the team has a much higher probability of leaving the city. If they leave the city, the revenue loss to the downtown area, including restaurants, would be quite large. Sure, it's a possibility they could hang around without the upgrades...but the city probably didn't want to risk that. Especially now that there is news that Richardson has a two year plan in place to sell the team after he passes (which is, let's be honest, probably not that far away).I don't like additional taxes anymore than anyone else, but this is one of the more reasonable ones I've seen recently. It affects an area where people are likely to pay the tax without even noticing it exists.
Fair enough, I won't dwell on this any longer. I only go to Panthers games when a team I like is in town or tickets are really cheap. Better food and quality beers would make it a lot more enjoyable. You're right that the city has gotten off pretty well with regards to money towards the Panthers, particularly compared to other cities. It is just irksome that they have doled out so much money for sports and entertainment in the past decade, despite how nice it is. Edited by Slapdash

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Whisenhunt didn't go to Denver, so you have to think that the Panthers may bring him in for an interview.As of now, Joe Person is reporting that we've only interviewed Hue Jackson and Pat Shurmur, along with Shula. Then again, it's Person, so it's completely possible there was an interview or two that he knows nothing about.

And with only the Cardinals job still open, that leaves Whizz looking for a gig. I'd have to imagine Carolina makes that phone call, considering JR's affinity for all things Steelers. My personal preference, at this point, would be:1) Hue Jackson2) Whisenhunt3) Shurmer4) ShulaI think there's a gap between 2 and 3, and a significant gap between 3 and 4.Hue Jackson is the best fit, IMO, but Whisenhunt would also be an excellent hire, considering his last OC post was with a similarly built team in Pittsburgh. Either would be great fits, and would help the team. I'd be more concerned about Shurmer's WCO background, but at the end of the day he seems like an OC that takes advantage of the talent on his team. Biggest change would be in the learning curve of the verbiage differences between the Coryell and West Coast systems.

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My personal preference, at this point, would be:1) Hue Jackson2) Whisenhunt3) Shurmer4) Shula

I think Whisenhunt is joining the Chargers.

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Yep - hadn't seen that when I posted. So this makes Hue Jackson the glaring winner among the three for me.Get it done, Gettleman.

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Hue Jackson just seems like such an obvious choice, I have to think there is something else they are considering. When you compare Jackson with Shurmur (from a west coast offense scheme) and Shula (with a terrible history as OC), it just seems like a simple choice.

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anthers Offense - TM - PanthersPanthers promoted QBs coach Mike Shula to offensive coordinator.

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Shula promoted to OCRodgers promoted to ST CoordinatorI am heartbroken with both of these decisions. Instead of hiring a desperately needed OC with some head coaching experience, they promoted a guy who was horrendous during his last stint as OC, over a decade ago. Instead of hiring a special teams coach like Bobby April, who has proven his abilities, we promote a guy who was part of our terrible special teams staff.I guess the advantage is that we'll get a fresh staff next year when Ron Rivera is fired.

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anthers Offense - TM - PanthersPanthers promoted QBs coach Mike Shula to offensive coordinator.

He certainly doesn't seem like an attractive pick, but he will add continuity for Cam and the offense. He didn't have success as an OC over a decade ago, but I would think he has gained more experience and new knowledge over the years, and he knows and understands Cam's strengths and weaknesses very well. He could turn out to be a good choice, and if not he probably didn't cost an arm and a leg in his promotion. Jim Skipper is interviewing for his old job back, and I hope he gets it.

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Shula promoted to OCRodgers promoted to ST CoordinatorI am heartbroken with both of these decisions. Instead of hiring a desperately needed OC with some head coaching experience, they promoted a guy who was horrendous during his last stint as OC, over a decade ago. Instead of hiring a special teams coach like Bobby April, who has proven his abilities, we promote a guy who was part of our terrible special teams staff.I guess the advantage is that we'll get a fresh staff next year when Ron Rivera is fired.

I suspect their were not too many candidates interested in this potential trainwreck unless they were getting a huge contract.

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I suspect their were not too many candidates interested in this potential trainwreck unless they were getting a huge contract.

It doesn't matter, there were good candidates that interviewed and I'm positive would have taken the job if it was offered. Jackson was a great option for the team, and even if they didn't like them, there is no shortage of up and coming positional coaches that would jump at the chance to be an OC for a team with Cam Newton and Steve Smith, among others. Even if it's only for a year, the opportunity is there to prove their worth.

anthers Offense - TM - PanthersPanthers promoted QBs coach Mike Shula to offensive coordinator.

He certainly doesn't seem like an attractive pick, but he will add continuity for Cam and the offense. He didn't have success as an OC over a decade ago, but I would think he has gained more experience and new knowledge over the years, and he knows and understands Cam's strengths and weaknesses very well. He could turn out to be a good choice, and if not he probably didn't cost an arm and a leg in his promotion. Jim Skipper is interviewing for his old job back, and I hope he gets it.
I don't buy all of the "continuity" talk. SHula has never run the Coryell offense that Chudzinski employed, and while he does have familiarity with the system that was run last year, there really wasn't even any continuity over the 16 games last season. The offense was changed dramatically over the last month and a half of the year, after Chud and Rivera finally got their heads out of their asses.Hue Jackson offered just as much continuity because he runs the Coryell offensive style and would be able to be come in and continue with the direction the offense was heading. Plus, someone made a good point in a tweet to Darin Gantt that went like this..."Cam Newton learned three new systems in three straight years. National championship, national championship, Rookie of the year. Continuity is overrated."As for the Special Teams position, continuity is a moot point. There is so much turnover in that area because of the players that make up the squad (bottom of the roster, rookies, etc.) that a new coordinator could easily come in and change things without much issue.Make no mistake about it...this move was about Ron Rivera protecting himself. Hue Jackson has had the "interim coach" title before, and bringing in someone with experience as a head coach makes it that much easier for a GM/owner to pull the plug in-season when the opportunity arises. If Ron Rivera sincerely was trying to make just the best moves to improve the team, Shula and Rodgers wouldn't have gotten the promotions. This is all about self preservation under a guise of "continuity".I would say that a year from now we'll have a new coach and maybe we can finally have some hope for the organization, but frankly, unless Gettleman stands up to Jerry Richardson and demands some major changes, we'll just see more of the same with some new faces.There is a chance that Shula will surprise me, but I have yet to hear anyone who has been a fan of a team he's coached (college and NFL) that has positive things to say about him. His track record is horrendous. Rodgers did help the special teams improve when he took over midseason, but I just don't see how you pass up a guy like Bobby April, who is one of the best in the NFL. Edited by solorca

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anthers Offense - TM - PanthersPanthers promoted QBs coach Mike Shula to offensive coordinator.

He certainly doesn't seem like an attractive pick, but he will add continuity for Cam and the offense. He didn't have success as an OC over a decade ago, but I would think he has gained more experience and new knowledge over the years, and he knows and understands Cam's strengths and weaknesses very well. He could turn out to be a good choice, and if not he probably didn't cost an arm and a leg in his promotion. Jim Skipper is interviewing for his old job back, and I hope he gets it.
I agree

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Shula promoted to OCRodgers promoted to ST CoordinatorI am heartbroken with both of these decisions. Instead of hiring a desperately needed OC with some head coaching experience, they promoted a guy who was horrendous during his last stint as OC, over a decade ago. Instead of hiring a special teams coach like Bobby April, who has proven his abilities, we promote a guy who was part of our terrible special teams staff.I guess the advantage is that we'll get a fresh staff next year when Ron Rivera is fired.

I suspect their were not too many candidates interested in this potential trainwreck unless they were getting a huge contract.
I think the Panthers have more potential to be good than a trainwreck. They got their #### together in the second half of the season, and were a team others didn't want to play. If they carry that over this coming season, they could be very good.

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Plus, someone made a good point in a tweet to Darin Gantt that went like this..."Cam Newton learned three new systems in three straight years. National championship, national championship, Rookie of the year. Continuity is overrated."

I don't think that is a good point.In regard to your posting on ST, I too would have liked to have seen Bobby April hired as ST coach.

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