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The Panthers needed another WR, and they wanted Funchess. I don't see any big deal in moving up to get the guy they wanted. I think there is a good chance Funchess wouldn't have made it to them late in the second.
Some talk that Clev was taking him at 43The Panthers needed another WR, and they wanted Funchess. I don't see any big deal in moving up to get the guy they wanted. I think there is a good chance Funchess wouldn't have made it to them late in the second.
Some evidence does point to at least some of those teams wanting Funchess. The trade came right after DGB came off the board, suggesting Funchess was probably the last of that tier of WRs. Secondly, of those 6 teams (including Carolina) trying to trade up, none of them moved up after Carolina did and selected Funchess. Perhaps that's erroneous, but I swear I read that somewhere.I think there may have been a little panic in the war room coming up to get Funchess. It's reported that the Rams had 5 other teams on the phone and a bidding war ensued. Not saying all those teams wanted Funchess, but there were many teams wanting that spot for one player or another. The Panthers probably got caught up in it just a little bit.
What did he say?Humphries was the one guy that made sense but seeing his post draft comments I'm glad we missed on him.
On Thompson, Telvin Smith was drafted by the Jags last year as a S/LB tweener and was said to be way too small to last as a LB in the NFL. After Poz got hurt last year, Smith went nuts. When they finally unleashed him in late November, he posted 64 total tackles in the final six games of the season. Smith was a little faster with a 4.52 40 and had a 31.5" vertical and a 119" broad jump at 6'3" 218lbs (which he's still listed as on the Jags website). Thompson is thicker at only 6'0" 228lbs, ran a tenth slower at 4.64, but had similar jumps with a 33.5" vertical and a 117" broad. Smith was a force on that Jags defense... I think Thompson could be the same for us.I like the idea of less defensive subbing, it is a good counter to the hurry up as well as a coverage upgrade in general. But I don't feel so great about Thompson's run defense. So how is that deal gonna work?
I complained, yes, about the third. I am frustrated at the lack of a successful strategy to acquire a LOT. Nothing against Funchess per se, but his hands... I wanted a guy who catches everything to counter the drops we already have rather than add to the total. I do have a lot of respect for Proehl though. maybe it will be good.
I will have to look for what Funchess said about his coaching in college.
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Yup....just trying to go back over the "why" it took so much to move up. I have no problem trading up for him personally, but not knowing of the bidding war, it seemed like a good bit to give up. Now? Not so much...makes sense.Some evidence does point to at least some of those teams wanting Funchess. The trade came right after DGB came off the board, suggesting Funchess was probably the last of that tier of WRs. Secondly, of those 6 teams (including Carolina) trying to trade up, none of them moved up after Carolina did and selected Funchess. Perhaps that's erroneous, but I swear I read that somewhere.I think there may have been a little panic in the war room coming up to get Funchess. It's reported that the Rams had 5 other teams on the phone and a bidding war ensued. Not saying all those teams wanted Funchess, but there were many teams wanting that spot for one player or another. The Panthers probably got caught up in it just a little bit.
Now maybe that means the other teams weren't willing to trade down after Carolina... or maybe that means Carolina guy the guy the others wanted.
What did he say?Humphries was the one guy that made sense but seeing his post draft comments I'm glad we missed on him.
Why the 15th pick? The could have traded up to the 23rd to make sure they got ahead of AZ, who had been having OL troubles for years and Gordon/Gurley were gone.They feel they got enough in Oher and Martin. Both of whom are upgeades over Bell.I understand the number of guys who were said to be qualified fwiw. I know, for another year, we weren't in great shape to get one. I got frustrated with the reality playing out.
But also, what I am getting out of this is that Gettleman is sold on Oher just like he was sold on Chandler/Bell last year. I do have small hope that he is possibly the blind squirrel finding a nut this time, I think it's a little better bet, but if he is wrong it will suck. And Gettleman's (admittedly short) track record on judging OL talent isn't confidence inspiring.
My point on the trade/giving up the 3rd is, we were willing to move up significantly to get another WR. The difference in moving up from 25 to say, 19 or 20, is roughly equivalent to going from 57 to 41 according to the value charts I have seen. I don't know that they tried to move for OT but have not heard any talk that they considered it. I would like for them to have at least made the attempt, show me it is important to them. More important than throwing projects and retreads at the problem. I can accept it not working out, if I know they are trying. What I saw, was them trying harder for a WR than for a LOT.
Funchess may turn out to be great, Shaq may be as well. I guess it boils down to I would rather have a great OL than two great WRs or three great LBs, even though really I would like all three.
If you didn't like what they had to give up to move up in the second it seems unlikely you'd be happy with what it took to move up in the first. Keep in mind we would have had to get ahead of NO to pick the last left tackle. What do you think the number 15 pick would have cost?
Something about how Arians was the only coach he would play for. He also talked oddly about having to start.What did he say?Humphries was the one guy that made sense but seeing his post draft comments I'm glad we missed on him.
Telvin Smith was a 5th round pick. Definitely easier to take that risk with a 5th rounder. I hope all the picks work out, but man you are really optimistic. Is your name Dave?On Thompson, Telvin Smith was drafted by the Jags last year as a S/LB tweener and was said to be way too small to last as a LB in the NFL. After Poz got hurt last year, Smith went nuts. When they finally unleashed him in late November, he posted 64 total tackles in the final six games of the season. Smith was a little faster with a 4.52 40 and had a 31.5" vertical and a 119" broad jump at 6'3" 218lbs (which he's still listed as on the Jags website). Thompson is thicker at only 6'0" 228lbs, ran a tenth slower at 4.64, but had similar jumps with a 33.5" vertical and a 117" broad. Smith was a force on that Jags defense... I think Thompson could be the same for us.I like the idea of less defensive subbing, it is a good counter to the hurry up as well as a coverage upgrade in general. But I don't feel so great about Thompson's run defense. So how is that deal gonna work?
I complained, yes, about the third. I am frustrated at the lack of a successful strategy to acquire a LOT. Nothing against Funchess per se, but his hands... I wanted a guy who catches everything to counter the drops we already have rather than add to the total. I do have a lot of respect for Proehl though. maybe it will be good.
I will have to look for what Funchess said about his coaching in college.
As to Funchess, I saw somewhere he had a drop rate of 8.8% compared with the college average of 8.3% for last season... that's not so bad. Permian, who some wanted, had a 14.3% drop rate.... I'll say it again, in Proehl I trust when it comes to WRs.
I never said anything about 15, never would have considered that. It would have cost far more than what we surrendered. I did say, 19, could have, theoretically, been had for what we gave up for Funchess. 20 for sure, in draft chart value world. Bengals took Ogbuehi at 21, so there were two guys we could have targeted. I like Ogbuehi myself, with Oher in the fold we were in good position to be patient too. I know i takes a partner and is easier said than done, I just wish I could feel like they were willing to go for that position to the extent they went for WR. It's an important position.NCCommish said:They feel they got enough in Oher and Martin. Both of whom are upgeades over Bell.stratocatter said:I understand the number of guys who were said to be qualified fwiw. I know, for another year, we weren't in great shape to get one. I got frustrated with the reality playing out.
But also, what I am getting out of this is that Gettleman is sold on Oher just like he was sold on Chandler/Bell last year. I do have small hope that he is possibly the blind squirrel finding a nut this time, I think it's a little better bet, but if he is wrong it will suck. And Gettleman's (admittedly short) track record on judging OL talent isn't confidence inspiring.
My point on the trade/giving up the 3rd is, we were willing to move up significantly to get another WR. The difference in moving up from 25 to say, 19 or 20, is roughly equivalent to going from 57 to 41 according to the value charts I have seen. I don't know that they tried to move for OT but have not heard any talk that they considered it. I would like for them to have at least made the attempt, show me it is important to them. More important than throwing projects and retreads at the problem. I can accept it not working out, if I know they are trying. What I saw, was them trying harder for a WR than for a LOT.
Funchess may turn out to be great, Shaq may be as well. I guess it boils down to I would rather have a great OL than two great WRs or three great LBs, even though really I would like all three.
If you didn't like what they had to give up to move up in the second it seems unlikely you'd be happy with what it took to move up in the first. Keep in mind we would have had to get ahead of NO to pick the last left tackle. What do you think the number 15 pick would have cost?
Reason I choose 15 is because Peet was the last left tackle on the board, best feet of all of them as well. Everyone else is more likely an RT or G.I think Funchess is a little faster than Benjamin. Everyone talks about drops but guys with higher percentages were drafted earlier and praised highly. He was a touch worse than average and he was injured with a crap passing game. I love this as a second rounder and just hope Hill is what they claim this season. That would be an awesome top 3.I never said anything about 15, never would have considered that. It would have cost far more than what we surrendered. I did say, 19, could have, theoretically, been had for what we gave up for Funchess. 20 for sure, in draft chart value world. Bengals took Ogbuehi at 21, so there were two guys we could have targeted. I like Ogbuehi myself, with Oher in the fold we were in good position to be patient too. I know i takes a partner and is easier said than done, I just wish I could feel like they were willing to go for that position to the extent they went for WR. It's an important position.Funchess, I bet he turns out good. I have had a funny feeling he could be better than Benjamin even, when it's over with.NCCommish said:They feel they got enough in Oher and Martin. Both of whom are upgeades over Bell.If you didn't like what they had to give up to move up in the second it seems unlikely you'd be happy with what it took to move up in the first. Keep in mind we would have had to get ahead of NO to pick the last left tackle. What do you think the number 15 pick would have cost?stratocatter said:I understand the number of guys who were said to be qualified fwiw. I know, for another year, we weren't in great shape to get one. I got frustrated with the reality playing out.
But also, what I am getting out of this is that Gettleman is sold on Oher just like he was sold on Chandler/Bell last year. I do have small hope that he is possibly the blind squirrel finding a nut this time, I think it's a little better bet, but if he is wrong it will suck. And Gettleman's (admittedly short) track record on judging OL talent isn't confidence inspiring.
My point on the trade/giving up the 3rd is, we were willing to move up significantly to get another WR. The difference in moving up from 25 to say, 19 or 20, is roughly equivalent to going from 57 to 41 according to the value charts I have seen. I don't know that they tried to move for OT but have not heard any talk that they considered it. I would like for them to have at least made the attempt, show me it is important to them. More important than throwing projects and retreads at the problem. I can accept it not working out, if I know they are trying. What I saw, was them trying harder for a WR than for a LOT.
Funchess may turn out to be great, Shaq may be as well. I guess it boils down to I would rather have a great OL than two great WRs or three great LBs, even though really I would like all three.
Yeah Gettleman went through the process in his presser. He said his NFL scouts told him there were 6 teams ahead of them who had needs at WR and they felt Funchess was a first rounder soo they made the move.Another thing I heard was the Panthers saw 6 teams in front of them in Round 2 with WR needs so they targeted Funchess, a guy who fell in their estimation/evaluation.
That and rumors were cleveland was taking Funchess at 43Yeah Gettleman went through the process in his presser. He said his NFL scouts told him there were 6 teams ahead of them who had needs at WR and they felt Funchess was a first rounder soo they made the move.Another thing I heard was the Panthers saw 6 teams in front of them in Round 2 with WR needs so they targeted Funchess, a guy who fell in their estimation/evaluation.
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article20546436.html#storylink=cpyFirst-round pick Shaq Thompson tweaked his hamstring midway through the second session of minicamp and sat out the final hour of practice, which was mostly a scrimmage. Second-round pick Devin Funchess left the practice field on a cart minutes before the final horn with cramps in his left calf.
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Thompson, a linebacker who will miss organized team activities in June as he continues schooling at the University of Washington, slipped on the turf and tweaked his hamstring.
“That was the biggest thing was he was losing quality reps,” Rivera said after the second session. “So yeah I am concerned about that.”
I admit I did kindof shake my head after reading that this morning. You can go from growing up in heat to cold and get used to it but growing up in cold and moving to the heavy southern heat takes a while to adjust to. I think he will be fine though. He probably hasnt worked out hard in a while.Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article20546436.html#storylink=cpyFirst-round pick Shaq Thompson tweaked his hamstring midway through the second session of minicamp and sat out the final hour of practice, which was mostly a scrimmage. Second-round pick Devin Funchess left the practice field on a cart minutes before the final horn with cramps in his left calf.
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Thompson, a linebacker who will miss organized team activities in June as he continues schooling at the University of Washington, slipped on the turf and tweaked his hamstring.
“That was the biggest thing was he was losing quality reps,” Rivera said after the second session. “So yeah I am concerned about that.”
Well our second rounder isn't off to a good start. Tweaked his hammy and the will be in school until training camp. Our third rounder doesn't like the heat in May.
It's kind of fun getting the natives restless this early.NCCommish said:I wouldn't call cramps an injury. More part of learning to deal with the conditions. He was interviewed and said as much. And I'll take a tweaked hammy over a blown ACL on my first round pick.
Kind of early in the process to be this negative.
I've been restless since last off season.It's kind of fun getting the natives restless this early.NCCommish said:I wouldn't call cramps an injury. More part of learning to deal with the conditions. He was interviewed and said as much. And I'll take a tweaked hammy over a blown ACL on my first round pick.
Kind of early in the process to be this negative.
Looks cool. Watched some of the highlights. Blocking full backs have gone the way of the do-do, but he looks solid. I remember the days of Emmitt and Moose, so having a good FB at the goal line can be a great thing seeing as our 2013 playoffs were an example of how bad we can be at the goal line.
I think Todman will probably be more of a special teams player. My guess is Stewart's touches will be dictated by how the game is going. Cam will take some carries, and Tolbert usually gets a couple. Rivera said he is excited to see Artis-Payne on the field spelling Stewart this year, so my guess is they are banking on him to win the backup job if not by the beginning of the season it will be later on. He will be competing with Fozzy. Don't be surprised if Stewart gets hurt to see Artis-Payne get the bulk of the carries if he is catching on, and doing well with blocking.Can I get a local take on a few issues regarding the CAR running game for 2015?
- I have seen it suggested, "Stewart will start, but be limited to 15 touches per game." Is this accurate? I ask because his last for games he had 15, 26, 23, and 20 touches so I'm not sure if this is a change in policy?
- In the depth charts I have seen both Whittaker and Todman called the backup, while the other one will likely battle with Artis-Payne as the third string RB. Aren't these two just JAG-type runners? Is it considered a certainty that Artis-Payne couldn't be the #2 RB, or better yet if they above quote was true be part of a full fledged RBBC in CAR? With the Stewart injury history I just think Artis-Payne is being overlooked as a great deep sleeper.
I realize it's pretty early to get a clear picture but I was just curious what the locals thought on this situation.
Actually we have a guy on the team that set a single season record at Iowa and then set an NAIA record. Lots more competition than what is listed here.I think Todman will probably be more of a special teams player. My guess is Stewart's touches will be dictated by how the game is going. Cam will take some carries, and Tolbert usually gets a couple. Rivera said he is excited to see Artis-Payne on the field spelling Stewart this year, so my guess is they are banking on him to win the backup job if not by the beginning of the season it will be later on. He will be competing with Fozzy. Don't be surprised if Stewart gets hurt to see Artis-Payne get the bulk of the carries if he is catching on, and doing well with blocking.Can I get a local take on a few issues regarding the CAR running game for 2015?
- I have seen it suggested, "Stewart will start, but be limited to 15 touches per game." Is this accurate? I ask because his last for games he had 15, 26, 23, and 20 touches so I'm not sure if this is a change in policy?
- In the depth charts I have seen both Whittaker and Todman called the backup, while the other one will likely battle with Artis-Payne as the third string RB. Aren't these two just JAG-type runners? Is it considered a certainty that Artis-Payne couldn't be the #2 RB, or better yet if they above quote was true be part of a full fledged RBBC in CAR? With the Stewart injury history I just think Artis-Payne is being overlooked as a great deep sleeper.
I realize it's pretty early to get a clear picture but I was just curious what the locals thought on this situation.
632 for Norman, 700 for Maxwell on defense.Just for conversations sake some stats:
Josh Norman 2014 - 48 Tackles, 11 Passes Defended, 2 Int, 1 FF
Byron Maxwell 2014 - 39 Tackles, 12 Passes Defended, 2 int, 1 FF
Maxwell played one less game than Norman(13 to Norman's 14) but was the starter in two more than Norman(12 to Norman's !0) so snaps are probably slightly in Maxwell's favor or even.
Yeah I forgot about ST snaps. I was really just thinking about defensive snaps. Thanks for the numbers.632 for Norman, 700 for Maxwell on defense.148 for Norman, 50 for Maxwell on special teams.Just for conversations sake some stats:
Josh Norman 2014 - 48 Tackles, 11 Passes Defended, 2 Int, 1 FF
Byron Maxwell 2014 - 39 Tackles, 12 Passes Defended, 2 int, 1 FF
Maxwell played one less game than Norman(13 to Norman's 14) but was the starter in two more than Norman(12 to Norman's !0) so snaps are probably slightly in Maxwell's favor or even.
780 total snaps for Norman, 750 total snaps for Maxwell.
What are you trying to compare? How much we'll have to pay Norman or how much of a bargain/overpaid they are?Just for conversations sake some stats:
Josh Norman 2014 - 48 Tackles, 11 Passes Defended, 2 Int, 1 FF
Byron Maxwell 2014 - 39 Tackles, 12 Passes Defended, 2 int, 1 FF
Maxwell played one less game than Norman(13 to Norman's 14) but was the starter in two more than Norman(12 to Norman's !0) so snaps are probably slightly in Maxwell's favor or even.
Well I was mainly comparing the highly touted free agent to someone on our team that all the experts seem to diss on a regular basis.What are you trying to compare? How much we'll have to pay Norman or how much of a bargain/overpaid they are?Just for conversations sake some stats:
Josh Norman 2014 - 48 Tackles, 11 Passes Defended, 2 Int, 1 FF
Byron Maxwell 2014 - 39 Tackles, 12 Passes Defended, 2 int, 1 FF
Maxwell played one less game than Norman(13 to Norman's 14) but was the starter in two more than Norman(12 to Norman's !0) so snaps are probably slightly in Maxwell's favor or even.
Umm, isn't that a good thing, i.e. we can keep him cheaper since he is an UFA in 2016?Well I was mainly comparing the highly touted free agent to someone on our team that all the experts seem to diss on a regular basis.What are you trying to compare? How much we'll have to pay Norman or how much of a bargain/overpaid they are?Just for conversations sake some stats:
Josh Norman 2014 - 48 Tackles, 11 Passes Defended, 2 Int, 1 FF
Byron Maxwell 2014 - 39 Tackles, 12 Passes Defended, 2 int, 1 FF
Maxwell played one less game than Norman(13 to Norman's 14) but was the starter in two more than Norman(12 to Norman's !0) so snaps are probably slightly in Maxwell's favor or even.
I am guessing if he puts up those numbers again, and hopefully better numbers, he won't be cheap.Umm, isn't that a good thing, i.e. we can keep him cheaper since he is an UFA in 2016?Well I was mainly comparing the highly touted free agent to someone on our team that all the experts seem to diss on a regular basis.What are you trying to compare? How much we'll have to pay Norman or how much of a bargain/overpaid they are?Just for conversations sake some stats:
Josh Norman 2014 - 48 Tackles, 11 Passes Defended, 2 Int, 1 FF
Byron Maxwell 2014 - 39 Tackles, 12 Passes Defended, 2 int, 1 FF
Maxwell played one less game than Norman(13 to Norman's 14) but was the starter in two more than Norman(12 to Norman's !0) so snaps are probably slightly in Maxwell's favor or even.
Yeah not sure who you heard from but he made some really nice catches and showed he could play all 3 positions. As for Shaq he looked good and was where he was supposed to be on plays. But its rookie camp its pretty meaningless.The vibe I got from those in the know on Funchess after the rookie camp was that he was nothing special. A chasm of difference between him and Benjamin.
Anyone hear any word about the guy we drafted in the first? Sorry I forgot his his name already
IIRC has has finished the last couple of seasons on IR. Has struggled with various injuries for a while. They are looking at him more as a depth/mentor signing to back Flowers. Given how many teams need tackles the fact that only one has showed any serious interest in the former number 1 pick leads me to believe his health may still be suspect.The Giants are kicking the tires on Jake Long. What's our cap look like? Should we be looking at him too?
If Hill can put it all together he could be a monster. A guy his size running a 4.3 40 is almost unfair.Stephen hill had a good practice. Maybe commish is on to something here.
If things are really going as we are hearing, Bersin is for sure on the outside looking in and Brown might be as well.If Hill can put it all together he could be a monster. A guy his size running a 4.3 40 is almost unfair.Stephen hill had a good practice. Maybe commish is on to something here.
Brown had several big catches this week. He has better hands than Ginn though that is a low bar. I think Brown sticks. I think we have Benjamin, Funchess, Hill, Ginn, Brown and Cotchery this season. I know they usually only go with 5 but I think it makes sense to carry 6 this year.If things are really going as we are hearing, Bersin is for sure on the outside looking in and Brown might be as well.If Hill can put it all together he could be a monster. A guy his size running a 4.3 40 is almost unfair.Stephen hill had a good practice. Maybe commish is on to something here.