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We can hope.Rivera was coaching like he wants to be looking for a job next year.
We can hope.Rivera was coaching like he wants to be looking for a job next year.
Not many coaches are going to go for it on their side of the 50, so hard to fault Rivera, but I have to admit I really wanted them to give Cam the ball on that play.Alexander killed us
Olsens drops killed us
Not trying to get more points at the end of the 1rst half with 3 timeouts killed us
Not going for it on 4rth and inches with a 6'5 260lb qb killed us
some weird unsportsmanlike penalty that the announcers were saying was completely wrong killed us
Dwills fumble was the final nail in the coffin
Rivera was coaching like he wants to be looking for a job next year.
I know I am a homer but it appeared that seattles oline held on just about every playYesterday was a tough loss for sure. The bright spot was the D, which looks like it could be among the leagues best this year. Those LBs are nasty.
True and I get that.Not many coaches are going to go for it on their side of the 50, so hard to fault Rivera, but I have to admit I really wanted them to give Cam the ball on that play.Alexander killed us
Olsens drops killed us
Not trying to get more points at the end of the 1rst half with 3 timeouts killed us
Not going for it on 4rth and inches with a 6'5 260lb qb killed us
some weird unsportsmanlike penalty that the announcers were saying was completely wrong killed us
Dwills fumble was the final nail in the coffin
Rivera was coaching like he wants to be looking for a job next year.
I was thinking the same thing. With Cam, those situations seem like easy money.True and I get that.But its win or else for rivera and they desperately needed an opening win to set the tone. He should have gone for the 2 inches with Cam Newton. No friggin way would seattle stop himNot many coaches are going to go for it on their side of the 50, so hard to fault Rivera, but I have to admit I really wanted them to give Cam the ball on that play.Alexander killed us
Olsens drops killed us
Not trying to get more points at the end of the 1rst half with 3 timeouts killed us
Not going for it on 4rth and inches with a 6'5 260lb qb killed us
some weird unsportsmanlike penalty that the announcers were saying was completely wrong killed us
Dwills fumble was the final nail in the coffin
Rivera was coaching like he wants to be looking for a job next year.
Well to be fair the D had been suffocating and a lot could go wrong to give Seattle the ball on our 30. Like maybe one of our not much playing time guards step back and step on Cam's foot. Or Cam fumbles which he has done in the past. Now like you I would have still liked to see them go for it. I mean to me if you make a mistake but it is from aggressive play I am going to be very forgiving. But Rivera did what pretty much every coach in the NFL would have done in that situation.True and I get that.Not many coaches are going to go for it on their side of the 50, so hard to fault Rivera, but I have to admit I really wanted them to give Cam the ball on that play.Alexander killed us
Olsens drops killed us
Not trying to get more points at the end of the 1rst half with 3 timeouts killed us
Not going for it on 4rth and inches with a 6'5 260lb qb killed us
some weird unsportsmanlike penalty that the announcers were saying was completely wrong killed us
Dwills fumble was the final nail in the coffin
Rivera was coaching like he wants to be looking for a job next year.
But its win or else for rivera and they desperately needed an opening win to set the tone. He should have gone for the 2 inches with Cam Newton. No friggin way would seattle stop him
ya...that must have been why Cam was held to 125 yards passing.I know I am a homer but it appeared that seattles oline held on just about every playYesterday was a tough loss for sure. The bright spot was the D, which looks like it could be among the leagues best this year. Those LBs are nasty.
watya...that must have been why Cam was held to 125 yards passing.I know I am a homer but it appeared that seattles oline held on just about every playYesterday was a tough loss for sure. The bright spot was the D, which looks like it could be among the leagues best this year. Those LBs are nasty.
forget it hes rollingwatya...that must have been why Cam was held to 125 yards passing.I know I am a homer but it appeared that seattles oline held on just about every playYesterday was a tough loss for sure. The bright spot was the D, which looks like it could be among the leagues best this year. Those LBs are nasty.
Not saying they can't contend, but they have to stay VERY healthy if what we saw is the real Seattle...that's all. If they have many injury losses on defense, they're in trouble. They'd most likely make the playoffs, but I don't see the SB under that circumstance.I disagree on the Seattle contender comment. I think climate had a little to do with how they played. First game of the season pressure and playing it across country at 10 AM (to them), I thought there would be a slight let down. I think the seahawks will be just fine this year and will contend. My preaseason prediction was Seattle and Denver in the SB. I think that's still reasonable.I was happy with the way both sides of the ball played for the most. All this week did for me was further emphasis my concerns with Shula. Not a single shot down the field all game. The O-line played pretty well with some pretty significant holes getting opened most of the day. As of today, I don't buy into the hype of Seattle as a favorite to be in the Superbowl. I understand they had a lot of players out or whatever, but if the drop off is that big between their 1s and 2s, they simply aren't deep enough to justify the hype.Yeah, I'm still just not sure how they actually lost that game.Well.....not sure what to think. EXECUTE!!!!! Dang it....game slipped through their fingers again!!!!
Defense was spectacular. Offense didn't seem too bad (other than, you know, only scoring 7 points).The fumble obviously was a disaster, but the game really shouldn't have been that close by that point.
Just never put'em away, and they got the stop and the drive they needed at the end.
It kind of felt like they were trying to just run out the clock with a 7-6 lead and almost an entire half of football left.
Next Sunday night will be telling for them. They have SF at home on SNF. 49ers looked great yesterday and Boldin may catch 120 balls the way Kaepernick looks to him.
Yeah, I have no complaints with the way Cam played. This game really wasn't about Cam IMO. He did what he was asked to do. He didn't turn the ball over and took what the defense gave him. He can't control the drops and fumbles by others.It really was like it never occurred to Rivera and Shula at any point to go actually try to win the damn game.
4 passes attempted over 10 yards all day.
I'm sure there's plenty of blame to around on that, in addition to the playcalling. WRs gotta get open and Cam's got to take the shot.
I'm sure the SEA should get more credit in that than we're giving them. Cam keeps saying they took what was given to them.
Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of the play calling....terrible.Cam Newton threw only 6 passes>10 yards. Of those he completed 5 of 6 for 71 yds. The other? A 23 yarder dropped by Greg Olsen
No being in 3rd and long against an aggressive and smart secondary is terrible. Cam used to force those throws. Now he has matured enough to take the check down. The throws simply weren't there to make. And as Kalil said they made mistakes on the line that turned runs into short runs. We could have gotten some chunks in the running game with one more block made. Which would have also helped the passing game. Buffalo should give us a chance to get some more down field plays in the passing game.The Commish said:Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of the play calling....terrible.Cam Newton threw only 6 passes>10 yards. Of those he completed 5 of 6 for 71 yds. The other? A 23 yarder dropped by Greg Olsen
My "terrible" wasn't directed at Cam. As I said above, he took what the defense gave him and I agree that's a major sign towards his maturing. The "terrible" was towards the play calling. There MIGHT have been two opportunities that Cam could have taken down field that he didn't. That's it. They need to be a lot more open in the play calling IMO. Ginn should be a target 3-4 times a game DEEP.No being in 3rd and long against an aggressive and smart secondary is terrible. Cam used to force those throws. Now he has matured enough to take the check down. The throws simply weren't there to make. And as Kalil said they made mistakes on the line that turned runs into short runs. We could have gotten some chunks in the running game with one more block made. Which would have also helped the passing game. Buffalo should give us a chance to get some more down field plays in the passing game.The Commish said:Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of the play calling....terrible.Cam Newton threw only 6 passes>10 yards. Of those he completed 5 of 6 for 71 yds. The other? A 23 yarder dropped by Greg Olsen
Yeah I agree with that. I was surprised to not see them running Ginn out there to test the top of the secondary. I thought that was the whole idea of bringing him. I thought he was supposed to take the D with him and provide more room for Smith and Co to operate.My "terrible" wasn't directed at Cam. As I said above, he took what the defense gave him and I agree that's a major sign towards his maturing. The "terrible" was towards the play calling. There MIGHT have been two opportunities that Cam could have taken down field that he didn't. That's it. They need to be a lot more open in the play calling IMO. Ginn should be a target 3-4 times a game DEEP.No being in 3rd and long against an aggressive and smart secondary is terrible. Cam used to force those throws. Now he has matured enough to take the check down. The throws simply weren't there to make. And as Kalil said they made mistakes on the line that turned runs into short runs. We could have gotten some chunks in the running game with one more block made. Which would have also helped the passing game. Buffalo should give us a chance to get some more down field plays in the passing game.The Commish said:Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of the play calling....terrible.Cam Newton threw only 6 passes>10 yards. Of those he completed 5 of 6 for 71 yds. The other? A 23 yarder dropped by Greg Olsen
Guess that's why we aren't coaches Hell, I have no delusions that the attempts will be successful, but they have to establish early that they are willing to go deep...especially with a good defense like Seattle.Yeah I agree with that. I was surprised to not see them running Ginn out there to test the top of the secondary. I thought that was the whole idea of bringing him. I thought he was supposed to take the D with him and provide more room for Smith and Co to operate.My "terrible" wasn't directed at Cam. As I said above, he took what the defense gave him and I agree that's a major sign towards his maturing. The "terrible" was towards the play calling. There MIGHT have been two opportunities that Cam could have taken down field that he didn't. That's it. They need to be a lot more open in the play calling IMO. Ginn should be a target 3-4 times a game DEEP.No being in 3rd and long against an aggressive and smart secondary is terrible. Cam used to force those throws. Now he has matured enough to take the check down. The throws simply weren't there to make. And as Kalil said they made mistakes on the line that turned runs into short runs. We could have gotten some chunks in the running game with one more block made. Which would have also helped the passing game. Buffalo should give us a chance to get some more down field plays in the passing game.The Commish said:Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of the play calling....terrible.Cam Newton threw only 6 passes>10 yards. Of those he completed 5 of 6 for 71 yds. The other? A 23 yarder dropped by Greg Olsen
At least Rivera said after the game that he would like to see them be more aggressive in the passing game. Hopefully we will see that against the Bills.Seriously we should fire Rivera and Shula and let Smitty handle all the HC and OC duties
Problem is...he said the same sorts of things last year....especially with "down the field" passing.At least Rivera said after the game that he would like to see them be more aggressive in the passing game. Hopefully we will see that against the Bills.Seriously we should fire Rivera and Shula and let Smitty handle all the HC and OC duties
IIRC Carolina was very near the top of the NFL rankings for plays over 20 yards last year.Problem is...he said the same sorts of things last year....especially with "down the field" passing.At least Rivera said after the game that he would like to see them be more aggressive in the passing game. Hopefully we will see that against the Bills.Seriously we should fire Rivera and Shula and let Smitty handle all the HC and OC duties
Yes...at the end of the year. The second half it was like a light switch went off or something. I feel like it's groundhog's day when comparing the beginning of last year with the beginning of this, only I'm more annoyed now because they SAW the success at the end of last year and didn't think to continue it right out of the gate this year. Hopefully it doesn't take 5 weeks to get it going.NCCommish said:IIRC Carolina was very near the top of the NFL rankings for plays over 20 yards last year.Problem is...he said the same sorts of things last year....especially with "down the field" passing.At least Rivera said after the game that he would like to see them be more aggressive in the passing game. Hopefully we will see that against the Bills.Seriously we should fire Rivera and Shula and let Smitty handle all the HC and OC duties
Yeah, it was a pretty disgusting loss.I'm still sick to my stomach over this last game. It amazes me how many boneheaded mistakes this teams makes. Cam doesn't look like he's in the top half of the NFL QBs. He's not a pocket passer. Let him run as often as he wants. If he gets hurt, so be it.
So assuming; Newton > Vick, Olsen > Celek, Smith/Lafell = DJax/Avant, is the difference McCoy > DWill or Kelly > Rivera/Shula???Yeah, it was a pretty disgusting loss.I'm still sick to my stomach over this last game. It amazes me how many boneheaded mistakes this teams makes. Cam doesn't look like he's in the top half of the NFL QBs. He's not a pocket passer. Let him run as often as he wants. If he gets hurt, so be it.
Hopefully, it gets better, but it's hard to be too optimistic with some combination of Shula's playcalling and Cam either not being able to go through is progressions or being scared to go down the field.
One thing that made me even sicker was MNF. Now, I have no idea how good Chip Kelly will ultimately be, but the Panthers standing pat with Rivera in the same off-season that Kelly was ready to jump to the NFL? Ugh. Did they even consider him? I have to think he would've been open to the idea.
Maybe it's a ridiculous idea, but that's what I thought about watching the Eagles Monday Night after watching the Panthers try to run out the clock for 2 quarters with a 7-6 lead.
If they're willing to take another Bear, I think Lovie is availableI wonder if Rivera makes it through monday. Nobody would be surprised if he was canned. If he loses next week then its a given he is gone. Who could they get though?
I do. The axe should drop. This guy can't coach when coaching is needed most.I really have no words at this point...unreal.
Maybe the strategy is to just go for the number one pick next April.I wonder if Rivera makes it through monday. Nobody would be surprised if he was canned. If he loses next week then its a given he is gone. Who could they get though?
I don't know what the deal is. One week the offense will show up, the next, the defense. They NEVER seem to be ALL ready to go. The first half of this game was just brutal. I felt like Shula had been listening to local sports talk radio and just threw long ball after long ball regardless of success or rhythm/flow. The scoring drive at the end of the half should have been the approach at the beginning of the game. This team has no identity on offense and is inconsistent on defense. They don't have a bunch of noobs on either side of the ball and have plenty of talent to win DESPITE the coaching staff.Jayrok said:I do. The axe should drop. This guy can't coach when coaching is needed most.The Commish said:I really have no words at this point...unreal.
I don't think Shula was listening to sports talk radio. Rivera said he wanted more big plays in the passing game, and Shula obviously listened to him. The team still cannot close out games. Richardson probably didn't let Rivera go last season, because he didn't want to have to pay him for two more years.I don't think the axe should drop on Rivera now. That would be an Al Davis move. Let the season play out.I don't know what the deal is. One week the offense will show up, the next, the defense. They NEVER seem to be ALL ready to go. The first half of this game was just brutal. I felt like Shula had been listening to local sports talk radio and just threw long ball after long ball regardless of success or rhythm/flow. The scoring drive at the end of the half should have been the approach at the beginning of the game. This team has no identity on offense and is inconsistent on defense. They don't have a bunch of noobs on either side of the ball and have plenty of talent to win DESPITE the coaching staff.Jayrok said:I do. The axe should drop. This guy can't coach when coaching is needed most.The Commish said:I really have no words at this point...unreal.
We know how it will play out. We will win a few games towards the end of the season and everyone will say well, give him one more year. This is not a bad team. They play hard and are in many games. A good coach that makes sound decisions is often the difference in close games. Our coach is 2-14 in close games. How many years to we give this staff?I don't think the axe should drop on Rivera now. That would be an Al Davis move. Let the season play out.
I would add that this team has no play makers on offense. When did Cam Newton become scared to run the ball?I don't know what the deal is. One week the offense will show up, the next, the defense. They NEVER seem to be ALL ready to go. The first half of this game was just brutal. I felt like Shula had been listening to local sports talk radio and just threw long ball after long ball regardless of success or rhythm/flow. The scoring drive at the end of the half should have been the approach at the beginning of the game. This team has no identity on offense and is inconsistent on defense. They don't have a bunch of noobs on either side of the ball and have plenty of talent to win DESPITE the coaching staff.Jayrok said:I do. The axe should drop. This guy can't coach when coaching is needed most.The Commish said:I really have no words at this point...unreal.
Why? You act as if we don't know what's going to happen. I suppose there's a slim chance that things change but there's NO evidence out there to suggest that things are going to be any different this year than the last two. It's even more clear to me now that Shula just doesn't get it and really has no clue on how to get an offense started. Same goes for Rivera. I don't see what waiting til the end of the season is going to do for this team. I don't really care why Richardson didn't let Rivera go. That's not my problem. Right now we have an owner who gives MAYBE two ####s about the fanbase and a fanbase tied to a team with no real recourse because of the PSLs. I've not heard anything from the fans that the national "experts" aren't saying themselves. Everyone sees what is going on and quite frankly, I don't really see the point in waiting til the end of the year to have another losing season.I don't think Shula was listening to sports talk radio. Rivera said he wanted more big plays in the passing game, and Shula obviously listened to him. The team still cannot close out games. Richardson probably didn't let Rivera go last season, because he didn't want to have to pay him for two more years.I don't think the axe should drop on Rivera now. That would be an Al Davis move. Let the season play out.I don't know what the deal is. One week the offense will show up, the next, the defense. They NEVER seem to be ALL ready to go. The first half of this game was just brutal. I felt like Shula had been listening to local sports talk radio and just threw long ball after long ball regardless of success or rhythm/flow. The scoring drive at the end of the half should have been the approach at the beginning of the game. This team has no identity on offense and is inconsistent on defense. They don't have a bunch of noobs on either side of the ball and have plenty of talent to win DESPITE the coaching staff.Jayrok said:I do. The axe should drop. This guy can't coach when coaching is needed most.The Commish said:I really have no words at this point...unreal.
I'm just going to repost this every week, to save myself time.New season, same Panthers. The defense looks improved, but the offense is completely unimaginative. Is it too much to ask for a reasonable mix between Chud's ridiculous complicated style and the boring run-run-pass-punt style?
Basically, it's the same Panthers team we've all known for years now. They play up or down to their competition and manage to find a way to lose in the fourth quarter. I'd like to say that I'm encouraged by the team and their ability to hang tough with what's considered one of the best teams in the NFL...but they ALWAYS do that. I'll believe that this team is truly improved when they start to put away some games earlier than November.
This is where our opinions differ. I think they have plenty of playmakers on offense. Problem is, they aren't put in positions to succeed. I too agree with you guys that Cam should be allowed to play to his strengths. Play calling yesterday was the perfect example of what I am talking about. On top of that, SOMEONE has to be level headed when it comes crunch time. Every time the game's on the line this team goes all Tommy Boy and squashed their pretty little pet. This team craps the bed every time they are up by a slim margin. How about offensively being aggressive enough that we aren't up by just single digits for once??I would add that this team has no play makers on offense. When did Cam Newton become scared to run the ball?I don't know what the deal is. One week the offense will show up, the next, the defense. They NEVER seem to be ALL ready to go. The first half of this game was just brutal. I felt like Shula had been listening to local sports talk radio and just threw long ball after long ball regardless of success or rhythm/flow. The scoring drive at the end of the half should have been the approach at the beginning of the game. This team has no identity on offense and is inconsistent on defense. They don't have a bunch of noobs on either side of the ball and have plenty of talent to win DESPITE the coaching staff.Jayrok said:I do. The axe should drop. This guy can't coach when coaching is needed most.The Commish said:I really have no words at this point...unreal.
I'm with BNB, let Cam do what Cam can do and see how it plays out.
No, I don't act like that. Bill Cowher once said that he would never work for an organization that fired their HC during the season. He said it's disrespectful, and I agree with him.Why? You act as if we don't know what's going to happen. I suppose there's a slim chance that things change but there's NO evidence out there to suggest that things are going to be any different this year than the last two. It's even more clear to me now that Shula just doesn't get it and really has no clue on how to get an offense started. Same goes for Rivera. I don't see what waiting til the end of the season is going to do for this team. I don't really care why Richardson didn't let Rivera go. That's not my problem. Right now we have an owner who gives MAYBE two ####s about the fanbase and a fanbase tied to a team with no real recourse because of the PSLs. I've not heard anything from the fans that the national "experts" aren't saying themselves. Everyone sees what is going on and quite frankly, I don't really see the point in waiting til the end of the year to have another losing season.I don't think Shula was listening to sports talk radio. Rivera said he wanted more big plays in the passing game, and Shula obviously listened to him. The team still cannot close out games. Richardson probably didn't let Rivera go last season, because he didn't want to have to pay him for two more years.I don't think the axe should drop on Rivera now. That would be an Al Davis move. Let the season play out.I don't know what the deal is. One week the offense will show up, the next, the defense. They NEVER seem to be ALL ready to go. The first half of this game was just brutal. I felt like Shula had been listening to local sports talk radio and just threw long ball after long ball regardless of success or rhythm/flow. The scoring drive at the end of the half should have been the approach at the beginning of the game. This team has no identity on offense and is inconsistent on defense. They don't have a bunch of noobs on either side of the ball and have plenty of talent to win DESPITE the coaching staff.Jayrok said:I do. The axe should drop. This guy can't coach when coaching is needed most.The Commish said:I really have no words at this point...unreal.
Who is "everyone" that you speak of? I don't know a single fan that wanted Rivera to coach another season. Richardson and his staff are the ones that decided to give him one more year to turn things around. If that doesn't happen, he will be let go. So far, this year is a repeat of last year.We know how it will play out. We will win a few games towards the end of the season and everyone will say well, give him one more year. This is not a bad team. They play hard and are in many games. A good coach that makes sound decisions is often the difference in close games. Our coach is 2-14 in close games. How many years to we give this staff?I don't think the axe should drop on Rivera now. That would be an Al Davis move. Let the season play out.
In the Chip Kelly thread on here in the off season I am pretty sure most of the Panther fans wanted to see Newton in that offense. So yeah you are right not many wanted Rivera back. He is a defensive coach in an offensive league.Who is "everyone" that you speak of? I don't know a single fan that wanted Rivera to coach another season. Richardson and his staff are the ones that decided to give him one more year to turn things around. If that doesn't happen, he will be let go. So far, this year is a repeat of last year.We know how it will play out. We will win a few games towards the end of the season and everyone will say well, give him one more year. This is not a bad team. They play hard and are in many games. A good coach that makes sound decisions is often the difference in close games. Our coach is 2-14 in close games. How many years to we give this staff?I don't think the axe should drop on Rivera now. That would be an Al Davis move. Let the season play out.
During the presser, Rivera talked about how the defense has to get better on defending that pick play (the last play), that corners have to fight through the screen, so forth and so on. But added that "we'll get better". He seems oblivious to the fact that they should not have even been in that situation.It's even more clear to me now that Shula just doesn't get it and really has no clue on how to get an offense started. Same goes for Rivera.