Few years. Pretty much a rebuild at this point.Without a doubt. Hopefully Shaq can slide over but I doubt it. Its going to be a long long year all of a sudden
Instead of just wasting CMC's career we need to do him a favor and trade him. We are firmly in a rebuild even with a healthy cam. With Cam we are what a 6 win at best team? I think we end up trading and moving on from Cam because this is a rebuild and because he is going to be very expensive for a team starting over.Few years. Pretty much a rebuild at this point.
Luke Gone.
Olsen likely retiring.
Cam injured and only 1 year left.
UFA's at multiple important positions leaving.
Pretty much we have CMC, Moore, and a pile of poo.
Unfortunately even trading Cam doesn't do much for a rebuild. You will get a 3rd, maybe a 2nd for him and that's about it.Instead of just wasting CMC's career we need to do him a favor and trade him. We are firmly in a rebuild even with a healthy cam. With Cam we are what a 6 win at best team? I think we end up trading and moving on from Cam because this is a rebuild and because he is going to be very expensive for a team starting over.
Take the "L" in 2020 and grab one of the studs in the next draft.Unfortunately even trading Cam doesn't do much for a rebuild. You will get a 3rd, maybe a 2nd for him and that's about it.
And if you trade him who are you starting at QB? Allen or Grier? Heh. Throw Tua to the wolves?
I could be wrong, but I doubt you get a pick like that. Remember, the new team would also have to take on the nearly 20M salary.Unfortunately even trading Cam doesn't do much for a rebuild. You will get a 3rd, maybe a 2nd for him and that's about it.
And if you trade him who are you starting at QB? Allen or Grier? Heh. Throw Tua to the wolves?
There are a ton of teams that would give up a third round pick for a potentially healthy Cam Newton. A second, not sure, but a third is nothing. Especially if they thought they could re-sign/extend him. Look at what QB's are making. No-brainer for a lot of teams that are potentially in win now mode but missing that piece.I could be wrong, but I doubt you get a pick like that. Remember, the new team would also have to take on the nearly 20M salary.
Statistically speaking, he's a very average QB.
I bet you anything the Bears would give a 2nd (and def a 3rd) to get cam for a season and see what happens.I could be wrong, but I doubt you get a pick like that. Remember, the new team would also have to take on the nearly 20M salary.
Statistically speaking, he's a very average QB.
I'd love to get a 2nd if that is possible. Just don't let Hurney make the pick.I bet you anything the Bears would give a 2nd (and def a 3rd) to get cam for a season and see what happens.
Pretty sure Bradbury is a UFA?I don't see them trading CMC. Just don't run him into the ground the next two years.
Also don't think they'll get much for Cam via trade. The team is better with Cam at QB but, as mentioned above, they aren't a playoff team. Tepper does't want mediocre and that's great. But he's going to have to be patient while Rhule and his young coaching staff can build. Don't sign expensive FAs for just one year. Let guys like McCoy go.
If you're looking for a trade to improve, how about someone who has built a decent resume that may be attractive to contending teams (e.g. Turner, Bradberry, Reid). If it's a rebuild year then let's rebuild.
I read somewhere half of our starters are free agents. In a nutshell.........we screwed.Pretty sure Bradbury is a UFA?
We really don't have many assets. Turner, Short, CMC... yikes.
Yep. 2020 UFA. I'm sure he'll have teams wanting him. yeesh.Pretty sure Bradbury is a UFA?
We really don't have many assets. Turner, Short, CMC... yikes.
I get the QB value, but a third is definitely not nothing. Cam is paid in the upper half, after which, the salaries basically drop in half.There are a ton of teams that would give up a third round pick for a potentially healthy Cam Newton. A second, not sure, but a third is nothing. Especially if they thought they could re-sign/extend him. Look at what QB's are making. No-brainer for a lot of teams that are potentially in win now mode but missing that piece.
You make some good points but as for the above... Carolina has had an awful track record with 3rd round picks. We're hoping that changes starting this year.If Carolina can get a third, they should take it and run.
I’m worried about this too. Herbert would be a huge mistake imo. Hoping they look to build at the lines (especially LT) unless Okudah is available.I'm worried Rhule is going to grab Herbert in the first. We have more glaring needs elsewhere imo.
Okudah, Thomas, Simmons, D. Brown, other OT/G, safety
I'm not throwing in the towel on Grier yet. Sure he played really poorly, but he also didn't have Greg Olsen or DJ Moore, and had an overmatched coaching staff after Rivera's firing. He may well be a bust, but I'm not ready to declare that after 2 starts. If they do go full rebuild, I wouldn't be opposed to giving him a year as the starter. He's obviously not beating out Newton if Cam is still there though.God what a bad pick Grier was. He looks so terrible. Unless we have a miracle pick at QB we are in for a long few seasons.
You got a link for that?I'm not throwing in the towel on Grier yet. Sure he played really poorly, but he also didn't have Greg Olsen or DJ Moore, and had an overmatched coaching staff after Rivera's firing. He may well be a bust, but I'm not ready to declare that after 2 starts. If they do go full rebuild, I wouldn't be opposed to giving him a year as the starter. He's obviously not beating out Newton if Cam is still there though.
For what its worth Rhule loves Grier. Said he felt in the right offense he was arguably the best QB in last year's draft, while he was coach of Baylor.
WOW! Is that to inflate his "draft stock" or make Cam aware he needs to step up?For what its worth Rhule loves Grier. Said he felt in the right offense he was arguably the best QB in last year's draft, while he was coach of Baylor.
I would like to see the context of this quoteWOW! Is that to inflate his "draft stock" or make Cam aware he needs to step up?
I don't know if I ever heard this before but it is certainly interesting...
If I had 25M in the bank, I'd retire too.I'm really happy for Kuechly. Sorry to see him go as a fan, but it's a smart decision.
Smartest lb I have ever seenIf I had 25M in the bank, I'd retire too.
Great player, ALWAYS a thorn in the side of the Saints. While I'm happy he leaves being able to walk straight and with all his marbles intact, I'm even more happy the Saints won't have to game plan around him anymore.
I'm an old man and I've seen a lot of LB's. If LK doesn't have the best instincts ever at the position, he's definitely in the conversation.
I feel the same. He seems like one of those 'conditional' guys, where you get a 5th no matter what but a 4th if he plays X number of snaps.Also don't think they'll get much for Cam via trade.
To bankrupt David Tepper & the Panthers .... Like the Mike Ditka move to get Ricky Williams ...Obviously it's not going to happen, but realistically what would it take for the Panthers to move up to one?
Yeah. I thought so. No thanks. We have too many holes for thisTo bankrupt David Tepper & the Panthers .... Like the Mike Ditka move to get Ricky Williams ...
Maybe this year 2020 1st, 2021 1st, 2022 1st plus Cam & another 2nd day pick
If you really want to gauge the value, the old Jimmy Johnson Trade Chart is a decent resource but not as effective today due to Cap changes & Rookie Wage Contracts.Yeah. I thought so. No thanks. We have too many holes for this
The quote was before last year's draft.WOW! Is that to inflate his "draft stock" or make Cam aware he needs to step up?
I don't know if I ever heard this before but it is certainly interesting...
Can Cincy trade the pick for cash? With as cheap as the Bengals are, if it's an option I could see them putting the pick up for auction.Obviously it's not going to happen, but realistically what would it take for the Panthers to move up to one?
Baker Mayfield eh?The quote was before last year's draft.
Rhule called Grier, pro-ready, saying he reminded him of Baker Mayfield, praised his grasp of offensive concepts, pre-snap adjustments, and ability to read defenses.
Maybe that has changed in a year, but that was how he felt April 23, 2019.
Interesting idea.Cam, CMC, 7th pick
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1st Pick & Joe Mixon
Who says no
The financial obligation of Cam after 2020 would be the detractor for Cinn FO to make that deal without Cam's viability and signing a friendly deal... but I like the concept!Cam, CMC, 7th pick
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1st Pick & Joe Mixon
Who says no
Bengals wont trade that #1 pick. Cam is damaged goods. and we all know about RB value.Cam, CMC, 7th pick
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1st Pick & Joe Mixon
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Its a sad end for Cam in Carolina but trading him makes complete sense. In regards to his contract its just extremely bad timing for all parties. If he plays in 2020 and does reasonably well he is going to want to get paid and that doesnt make sense for the Panthers since they are in full fledged rebuild mode
Nothing against Tua but I hope this does not happen.Bengals wont trade that #1 pick. Cam is damaged goods. and we all know about RB value.
Fun idea sure.....
Maybe trade up with the Lions and get Tua?
If this first line is true, I hope it isn't the 7th overall pick to get a QB. A 2nd round maybe... Fromm?As it relates to Carolina, we would not be surprised if the team used the pick(s) it acquired in a hypothetical Newton deal to add a young quarterback in the 2020 NFL Draft.
There’s also some sense that could be made in Carolina tanking this coming season and targeting Clemson’s Trevor Lawrence in the 2021 NFL Draft. After all, Rhule is in it for the long haul. He inked a seven-year contract to coach the Panthers.
Fromm isn't getting past new England in the first but I really really like frommFrom the Cam trade possibility article:
If this first line is true, I hope it isn't the 7th overall pick to get a QB. A 2nd round maybe... Fromm?
I'd rather the second paragraph be true and use this year's draft for filling other needs while Allen or Grier calls the plays.
not a fromm fan...dont mean he wont get picked high thoughFromm isn't getting past new England in the first but I really really like fromm
I really hope we don't pick a qb just load up on line helpSeems Joe Brady would like to see what he has already by working with Allen and Grier for this first season instead of reaching for a QB in the first couple of rounds of this draft. But who knows what they're going to do.
Same here.I really hope we don't pick a qb just load up on line help
Bet he's looking forward to working with Christian."The most important thing that we do from a system standpoint is we find out what our players do well so we can put them in position to have success. I don't believe that a system is, this is what we do regardless of who we have. Now, it's critical that we find a vision for each and every player. The offense that we're looking to have is one that applies pressure. I don't believe defenses are the only ones that apply pressure. We can do that in multiple ways, whether that's formations, whether that's personnel groupings or tempo. It's our job to exploit mismatches and move guys around to get them the matchups that we want. Applying pressure, getting your speed in space, making defenses defend every blade of grass and just let your players do what they do best."