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Report suggests Ray Lewis used banned substance

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I can't see this being a story, I bet its buried quick.The guy has been deified by the media. Move over, St. Tebow.

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I can't see this being a story, I bet its buried quick.The guy has been deified by the media. Move over, St. Tebow.

They will bury it next to Ray's bloodstained white suit.

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Yahoo had this story (with Lewis tied to it) more than two years ago:http://www.thepostgame.com/features/201101/tpg-exclusive-nfl-orders-raiders-head-coach-hue-jackson-end-ties-company-linked-bann

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He probably did it, and it'll come out after the fact. And it won't matter because he's retired. It's not like the Ravens wins will be vacated because Ray Ray violated the substance abuse policy. And frankly given how competitive players are, and that he knew he was done after this season anyway, I bet a majority of players would've opted for the same course.

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He probably did it, and it'll come out after the fact. And it won't matter because he's retired. It's not like the Ravens wins will be vacated because Ray Ray violated the substance abuse policy. And frankly given how competitive players are, and that he knew he was done after this season anyway, I bet a majority of players would've opted for the same course.

Agreed. In fact, I assume most players do stuff like this, and the fact that ex-players who are now part of the media always blow these stories off shows that they know stuff like this goes on all of the time.

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If you're ray Lewis why not take every banned substance know to man. He knows he's retiring and he knows he won't get suspended during the playoffs. Inject yourself with anything and everything to make it back for one last playoff run.

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If you're ray Lewis why not take every banned substance know to man. He knows he's retiring and he knows he won't get suspended during the playoffs. Inject yourself with anything and everything to make it back for one last playoff run.

Well, I doubt it ends up making a difference since the media just loves them some Ray Lewis, but if there is followup and proof that Lewis took a banned substance it could affect his HOF chances.Again, I don't think it would keep him out because the media loves Ray Lewis, but a potential murder and being a PED user SHOULD keep him out despite his stats and legacy IMO.

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The CEO is a Male Stripper, selling junk while his junk is hnaging out, and these kids trust him? Naive

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This substance is only detected by blood tests and the NFL doesn't take or test blood.

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This substance is only detected by blood tests and the NFL doesn't take or test blood.

IIRC, The players won't allow it in the CBA.

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This substance is only detected by blood tests and the NFL doesn't take or test blood.

IIRC, The players won't allow it in the CBA.
You're correct. Blood tests are the only way HGH can be found as well. It's easier just to assume everyone does it then be shocked at stuff like this.

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well, it's a shame the baltimore legacy has to be tainted by this --- any superbowl win will have to have some kind of note in parentheses now.you just have to wonder if he's been doing this his whole career, and that really casts a shadow over the ravens' successes.

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well, it's a shame the baltimore legacy has to be tainted by this --- any superbowl win will have to have some kind of note in parentheses now.you just have to wonder if he's been doing this his whole career, and that really casts a shadow over the ravens' successes.

LOLDeer antler extract casts a shadow over anything in the NFL?Just - for example - look at Justin Smith. How did he go from an undersized disappointment as a 4-3 DE to an All-Pro 3-4 DE at age 30?As long as you aren't so stupid as to test positive for things you know will show up, you're on par with everyone else in the NFL.

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If you are creative enough to use deer antler I think you should be allowed to get away with it. Hilarious.

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Exactly, everybody is doing this type of stuff. It's not like he killed someone.

Exactly. Why should Ray Lewis fall on the sword for something everyone does?

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This substance is only detected by blood tests and the NFL doesn't take or test blood.

IIRC, The players won't allow it in the CBA.
Yes and no. The new CBA actually calls for blood testing, but the NFLPA has blocked every single possible way of administering it. So the players run around getting good PR and Congress off their back claiming they agreed to blood testing while actively blocking the actual implementation.

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Two words...tiger penis.Hide the knives!!!

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Far as I'm concerned 90% of the guys are on something. If you think guys are that big, fast and strong by working out a lot dream on.

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If you're ray Lewis why not take every banned substance know to man. He knows he's retiring and he knows he won't get suspended during the playoffs. Inject yourself with anything and everything to make it back for one last playoff run.

Well, I doubt it ends up making a difference since the media just loves them some Ray Lewis, but if there is followup and proof that Lewis took a banned substance it could affect his HOF chances.Again, I don't think it would keep him out because the media loves Ray Lewis, but a potential murder and being a PED user SHOULD keep him out despite his stats and legacy IMO.
This isn't baseball. Everyone takes stuff in football and no one cares.

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Not sure what the big deal is as I'm sure many are doing something similar... Still as a Steelers fan I gotta poke a little fun at stabbin' Ray

Here We Go

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Oh no. I hope we still get to see his pep rally during pre-game warm ups. :rolleyes:

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Two words...tiger penis.

Taking that might hurt Tiger's swing.

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This substance is only detected by blood tests and the NFL doesn't take or test blood.

IIRC, The players won't allow it in the CBA.
You're correct. Blood tests are the only way HGH can be found as well. It's easier just to assume everyone does it then be shocked at stuff like this.
:yes: I don't care what these guys take, as long as it's an even playing field and everyone involved consents to it, these guys are entertainers. It's not much different than an actress getting augmentation.

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Only creatine and protein shake ... NFL is worst than MLB and we all know that.Non story IMO

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If you are creative enough to use deer antler I think you should be allowed to get away with it. Hilarious.

Another interesting way to look at it is that loads of players have screws, rods, and cadaver tendons placed in their body during surgery because those foreign objects will help them heal faster and better so that they can get back on the field as soon as possible. Why are some foreign objects/substances allowed in the body as part of the healing process while others are not? Where's the line drawn?

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If you are creative enough to use deer antler I think you should be allowed to get away with it. Hilarious.

Another interesting way to look at it is that loads of players have screws, rods, and cadaver tendons placed in their body during surgery because those foreign objects will help them heal faster and better so that they can get back on the field as soon as possible. Why are some foreign objects/substances allowed in the body as part of the healing process while others are not? Where's the line drawn?
The line is drawn where the league determines it. There's a bunch of stuff out there that is against the rules or borderline that most people haven't heard of. I agree that there is a larger discussion to be had about what is considered legal vs. illegal though, because it is going to be harder to determine what is legal and it will probably evolve over time. A type of blood doping in cycling involves injecting yourself with your own blood so technically you are not taking anything other than your own fresh blood. Is getting lasik eye surgery an enhancement if you have bad eyes? What about if you have 20/20 and it improves your vision beyond normal visibility?

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If you are creative enough to use deer antler I think you should be allowed to get away with it. Hilarious.

Another interesting way to look at it is that loads of players have screws, rods, and cadaver tendons placed in their body during surgery because those foreign objects will help them heal faster and better so that they can get back on the field as soon as possible. Why are some foreign objects/substances allowed in the body as part of the healing process while others are not? Where's the line drawn?
I really don't pay any attention to all these banned substances stories, but my guess would be the banned substances are able to either augment performance, or mask a substance which does so, while rods, screws, and cadaver parts merely repair a player -- how did you miss tooth implants?I don't think they get bionic limbs, or anything like that.that's probably where the line is drawn.

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If you are creative enough to use deer antler I think you should be allowed to get away with it. Hilarious.

Another interesting way to look at it is that loads of players have screws, rods, and cadaver tendons placed in their body during surgery because those foreign objects will help them heal faster and better so that they can get back on the field as soon as possible. Why are some foreign objects/substances allowed in the body as part of the healing process while others are not? Where's the line drawn?
That's why steroids and everything else should be legal in every sport, IMO.

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If you are creative enough to use deer antler I think you should be allowed to get away with it. Hilarious.

Another interesting way to look at it is that loads of players have screws, rods, and cadaver tendons placed in their body during surgery because those foreign objects will help them heal faster and better so that they can get back on the field as soon as possible. Why are some foreign objects/substances allowed in the body as part of the healing process while others are not? Where's the line drawn?
Because screws and rods and cadaver tendons don't make you capable of things you couldn't do when healthy.Getting back to 100% is OK. Getting to 110% is not. That's where the line is drawn.When everyone is cheating, it does kinda cease to be cheating. The problem is that we too quickly generalize and say everyone is doing it when not everyone is. And in doing so you make the guys who don't want to dope have to dope to keep competitive.

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Maybe he just somehow recovered from a 6-9 month injury in 10 weeks at 37 because God willed it.

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What I want to know is why nobody cares if your average football player looks a cross between Lurch, Fat Albert and Bain? Baseball writers get their panties in a knot over guys doing what NFL players have been doing since the mid 60's? If football writers had the same moral code in voting for the hall would any player less qb's and kickers make the hall that played after 1965?

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