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Even forgetting about the Ray Lewis inspirational factor, the Ravens have a solid team in all phases, just like the Niners.I personally see this as slightly tilted in favor of the Niners w/o the Ray Ray factor, but with it, I give a slight nod to the black birds. Curious to see what percentage of this forum picks the Ravens to win. My guess is sub 30%.

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Big play on special teams gives Ravens the edge in a close game.

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I heard that in Vegas 70% of the money is getting put on the Ravens, so apparently a number of people think the Niners aren't going to run away with it.

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I'm a Niner homer and I don't see it as clear cut. While I think the Niners have the better team, the fact that Baltimore just beat Denver and New England on the road means they're peaking at the right time. To put it in perspective, in '95, I was confidently crowning the Niners before the game. San Diego had no business being in that game. This game is nowhere near that much of a mismatch.

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I think Baltimore wins by 2 touchdowns

Man, you really dont wanna change your handle....this team is way better than the team that lost by 10

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Yeah if it wasn't for Lewis the rest of the team wouldn't have even made the trip. They will definitely win only because he is retiring. Maybe next year 49ers.PS-Nobody gives a crap about Lewis retiring except for hack reporters looking for something to write about. And hack writers make up 95% of the writers.

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I don't think there's a "Ray factor" at all. That's just pablum the media doles out to pass the time before the game. When it starts, Ray Lewis will still be past his prime playing an offense with many layers. The fact that Vernon Davis got involved in the Atlanta game bodes poorly for Baltimore. It's just another thing they have to deal with.But the 49ers defense is overrated. Baltimore can definitely move the ball and score on them. If they play up to their potential, it's a toss up. If the SF defense plays inspired or the Ravens come out flat, I don't see how they stay in it much past halftime.

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Yeah if it wasn't for Lewis the rest of the team wouldn't have even made the trip. They will definitely win only because he is retiring. Maybe next year 49ers.PS-Nobody gives a crap about Lewis retiring except for hack reporters looking for something to write about. And hack writers make up 95% of the writers.

I disagree. Emotion plays a big role in sports, particularly physical ones. And I think the Ravens players give a huge crap about Lewis' retirement.

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San Fransisco is only about a 4 point favorite. That's far from "crowning" them before the game is played.

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The Ravens may win but I don't think the Ray Lewis inspirational factor will have anything to do with it. The media loves to play up the emotional aspect of it but that all goes out the window after kickoff. At that point it will come down to which team executes better and of course, turnovers.

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Yeah if it wasn't for Lewis the rest of the team wouldn't have even made the trip. They will definitely win only because he is retiring. Maybe next year 49ers.

PS-Nobody gives a crap about Lewis retiring except for hack reporters looking for something to write about. And hack writers make up 95% of the writers.

I disagree. Emotion plays a big role in sports, particularly physical ones. And I think the Ravens players give a huge crap about Lewis' retirement.
If players don't give everything to the Super Bowl already, they're screwed. I don't know how much more they could give.

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Part of me just wants to say that the AFC isn't very good. I mean beating Broncos/Patriots/Manning/Brady "sounds" impressive, but when you peel back the layers...1) The "impressive" 11 game win streak of the broncos featured only 2 opponents with winning records2) Niners were decidedly waxing the Patriots 31-8 in Foxboro3) For the past NINE seasons, the AFC champs were either the Colts, the Pats, or the Steelers. Manning took his show to Denver, Steelers were an unimpressive .500, and everybody's already talking about the demise of the Belichek/Brady dynasty. Is it because the Ravens are THAT good, or because these 3 just aren't that good anymore?

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Part of me just wants to say that the AFC isn't very good. I mean beating Broncos/Patriots/Manning/Brady "sounds" impressive, but when you peel back the layers...1) The "impressive" 11 game win streak of the broncos featured only 2 opponents with winning records2) Niners were decidedly waxing the Patriots 31-8 in Foxboro3) For the past NINE seasons, the AFC champs were either the Colts, the Pats, or the Steelers. Manning took his show to Denver, Steelers were an unimpressive .500, and everybody's already talking about the demise of the Belichek/Brady dynasty. Is it because the Ravens are THAT good, or because these 3 just aren't that good anymore?

For #2, it was actually 31-3 and NE outscored SF 31-10 the rest of the game. SF got a lot of nice plays on D and special teams to go up by 28. I watched the game and out of SF's 6 fumbles, they only lost one and one of them ended up getting picked up by Gore to run in for a TD. A few lucky bounces go NE's way after they gave the game away and I think NE would have won. I wouldn't point to SF's lead as them waxing NE. NE put up 520 offensive yards on SF.If you watched the AFC Championship game, that was a game were Baltimore dominated every facet and held NE's offense in check. If Baltimore plays D like that, I would be shocked if they don't win the game. I don't think SF's D is as great and it has been exposed in the playoffs like they were last year. It has been SF's offense that has won their playoff games this year and last year.

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2) Niners were decidedly waxing the Patriots 31-8 in Foxboro

The Atlanta Falcons, a team that many saw as "pretenders", were waxing the Niners 17-0. See how it works?

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Yeah if it wasn't for Lewis the rest of the team wouldn't have even made the trip. They will definitely win only because he is retiring. Maybe next year 49ers.PS-Nobody gives a crap about Lewis retiring except for hack reporters looking for something to write about. And hack writers make up 95% of the writers.

I disagree. Emotion plays a big role in sports, particularly physical ones. And I think the Ravens players give a huge crap about Lewis' retirement.
I agree, but emotion can be a two-edged sword. The Ravens have been riding that emotion for 3 weeks now, and it will be almost a month by the time the play the game. The emotion could give them an "edge," but it could just as likely cause them to be "spent" when they play the game.

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2) Niners were decidedly waxing the Patriots 31-8 in Foxboro

The Atlanta Falcons, a team that many saw as "pretenders", were waxing the Niners 17-0. See how it works?
You missed the point, which was that the Patriots team that the Ravens beat just wasn't that good (not to mention they were minus a starting TE, corner, and RB). Both the Pats and Broncos feasted off weak divisions. And yes, the Falcons WERE WAXING the niners, there's no argument against that. But what does that have to do with the perceived "impressiveness" of beating the Patriots?The NFC West was 3-1 against the Patriots. Aside from owning the Texans, what else have the Patriots done? What have the Broncos done? Point is, the AFC is just kinda weak.

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Part of me just wants to say that the AFC isn't very good. I mean beating Broncos/Patriots/Manning/Brady "sounds" impressive, but when you peel back the layers...

1) The "impressive" 11 game win streak of the broncos featured only 2 opponents with winning records

2) Niners were decidedly waxing the Patriots 31-8 in Foxboro

3) For the past NINE seasons, the AFC champs were either the Colts, the Pats, or the Steelers. Manning took his show to Denver, Steelers were an unimpressive .500, and everybody's already talking about the demise of the Belichek/Brady dynasty. Is it because the Ravens are THAT good, or because these 3 just aren't that good anymore?

For #2, it was actually 31-3 and NE outscored SF 31-10 the rest of the game. SF got a lot of nice plays on D and special teams to go up by 28. I watched the game and out of SF's 6 fumbles, they only lost one and one of them ended up getting picked up by Gore to run in for a TD. A few lucky bounces go NE's way after they gave the game away and I think NE would have won. I wouldn't point to SF's lead as them waxing NE. NE put up 520 offensive yards on SF.

If you watched the AFC Championship game, that was a game were Baltimore dominated every facet and held NE's offense in check. If Baltimore plays D like that, I would be shocked if they don't win the game. I don't think SF's D is as great and it has been exposed in the playoffs like they were last year. It has been SF's offense that has won their playoff games this year and last year.

How exactly do you "dominate every facet" of the game and go into half time trailing? :confused:

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Part of me just wants to say that the AFC isn't very good. I mean beating Broncos/Patriots/Manning/Brady "sounds" impressive, but when you peel back the layers...1) The "impressive" 11 game win streak of the broncos featured only 2 opponents with winning records2) Niners were decidedly waxing the Patriots 31-8 in Foxboro3) For the past NINE seasons, the AFC champs were either the Colts, the Pats, or the Steelers. Manning took his show to Denver, Steelers were an unimpressive .500, and everybody's already talking about the demise of the Belichek/Brady dynasty. Is it because the Ravens are THAT good, or because these 3 just aren't that good anymore?

If we peel back the layers on the 49ers...1) they have given up 90 points in their last 2 1/2 quarters of football away from home. 2) the 49ers were 0-1-1 against the Rams. 3) the Falcons were considered by many to be a fraud, and the Packers had too many holes, so are the 49ers really THAT good, or were their two opponents in the playoffs just not impressive? See, it works both ways. ;)

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clearly the NFC is superior to the AFC--just look at the Pro Bowl results. Niners 62, Ravens 35.

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I'd rather see the 49ers win but I have a feeling the Ravens might pull it off.

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If this were a 7 game series I think the niners walk away with it. But the great thing about football is that anything can happen in 1 game.I can't wait to see what happens :popcorn:

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Part of me just wants to say that the AFC isn't very good. I mean beating Broncos/Patriots/Manning/Brady "sounds" impressive, but when you peel back the layers...

1) The "impressive" 11 game win streak of the broncos featured only 2 opponents with winning records

2) Niners were decidedly waxing the Patriots 31-8 in Foxboro

3) For the past NINE seasons, the AFC champs were either the Colts, the Pats, or the Steelers. Manning took his show to Denver, Steelers were an unimpressive .500, and everybody's already talking about the demise of the Belichek/Brady dynasty. Is it because the Ravens are THAT good, or because these 3 just aren't that good anymore?

For #2, it was actually 31-3 and NE outscored SF 31-10 the rest of the game. SF got a lot of nice plays on D and special teams to go up by 28. I watched the game and out of SF's 6 fumbles, they only lost one and one of them ended up getting picked up by Gore to run in for a TD. A few lucky bounces go NE's way after they gave the game away and I think NE would have won. I wouldn't point to SF's lead as them waxing NE. NE put up 520 offensive yards on SF.

If you watched the AFC Championship game, that was a game were Baltimore dominated every facet and held NE's offense in check. If Baltimore plays D like that, I would be shocked if they don't win the game. I don't think SF's D is as great and it has been exposed in the playoffs like they were last year. It has been SF's offense that has won their playoff games this year and last year.

How exactly do you "dominate every facet" of the game and go into half time trailing? :confused:
Did you miss the 21-0 score in the second half? How exactly do you wax someone winning a game by 7 when you had a 28 point lead and they made a bunch of mistakes and you lucked out to only have 1 in 6 fumbles become turnovers? Do you watch complete games or just one half? I watched the whole 49er/NE game and the NE/Baltimore game and IMHO Baltimore looked better. Baltimore won by 15 and held the NE offense to 13 points or 21 less than SF. If they kept playing both games another quarter, Baltimore wins easy, SF, not sure. That is why I consider it waxing.

LOL at the RB/TE being out argument agains Baltimore. Ridley had 18 carries against Baltimore and only 9 against SF and Gronk didn't play against SF, so how is that even an argument in your mind that SF somehow played a better NE team. NE still put up 520 yards against SF.

Not trying to say SF isn't good, but if you actually watch a complete game it helps you see more. I stand by my comment, if Baltimore's D plays like they did last week, I think they win.

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Part of me just wants to say that the AFC isn't very good. I mean beating Broncos/Patriots/Manning/Brady "sounds" impressive, but when you peel back the layers...1) The "impressive" 11 game win streak of the broncos featured only 2 opponents with winning records2) Niners were decidedly waxing the Patriots 31-8 in Foxboro3) For the past NINE seasons, the AFC champs were either the Colts, the Pats, or the Steelers. Manning took his show to Denver, Steelers were an unimpressive .500, and everybody's already talking about the demise of the Belichek/Brady dynasty. Is it because the Ravens are THAT good, or because these 3 just aren't that good anymore?

If we peel back the layers on the 49ers...1) they have given up 90 points in their last 2 1/2 quarters of football away from home. 2) the 49ers were 0-1-1 against the Rams. 3) the Falcons were considered by many to be a fraud, and the Packers had too many holes, so are the 49ers really THAT good, or were their two opponents in the playoffs just not impressive? See, it works both ways. ;)
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Part of me just wants to say that the AFC isn't very good. I mean beating Broncos/Patriots/Manning/Brady "sounds" impressive, but when you peel back the layers...

1) The "impressive" 11 game win streak of the broncos featured only 2 opponents with winning records

2) Niners were decidedly waxing the Patriots 31-8 in Foxboro

3) For the past NINE seasons, the AFC champs were either the Colts, the Pats, or the Steelers. Manning took his show to Denver, Steelers were an unimpressive .500, and everybody's already talking about the demise of the Belichek/Brady dynasty. Is it because the Ravens are THAT good, or because these 3 just aren't that good anymore?

If we peel back the layers on the 49ers...

1) they have given up 90 points in their last 2 1/2 quarters of football away from home.

2) the 49ers were 0-1-1 against the Rams.

3) the Falcons were considered by many to be a fraud, and the Packers had too many holes, so are the 49ers really THAT good, or were their two opponents in the playoffs just not impressive?

See, it works both ways. ;)

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2) Niners were decidedly waxing the Patriots 31-8 in Foxboro

The Atlanta Falcons, a team that many saw as "pretenders", were waxing the Niners 17-0. See how it works?
You missed the point, which was that the Patriots team that the Ravens beat just wasn't that good (not to mention they were minus a starting TE, corner, and RB). Both the Pats and Broncos feasted off weak divisions. And yes, the Falcons WERE WAXING the niners, there's no argument against that. But what does that have to do with the perceived "impressiveness" of beating the Patriots?The NFC West was 3-1 against the Patriots. Aside from owning the Texans, what else have the Patriots done? What have the Broncos done? Point is, the AFC is just kinda weak.
Because the Patriots closed the gap in that game, but you seemed to think that only the beggining counted.

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Part of me just wants to say that the AFC isn't very good. I mean beating Broncos/Patriots/Manning/Brady "sounds" impressive, but when you peel back the layers...

1) The "impressive" 11 game win streak of the broncos featured only 2 opponents with winning records

2) Niners were decidedly waxing the Patriots 31-8 in Foxboro

3) For the past NINE seasons, the AFC champs were either the Colts, the Pats, or the Steelers. Manning took his show to Denver, Steelers were an unimpressive .500, and everybody's already talking about the demise of the Belichek/Brady dynasty. Is it because the Ravens are THAT good, or because these 3 just aren't that good anymore?

If we peel back the layers on the 49ers...

1) they have given up 90 points in their last 2 1/2 quarters of football away from home.

2) the 49ers were 0-1-1 against the Rams.

3) the Falcons were considered by many to be a fraud, and the Packers had too many holes, so are the 49ers really THAT good, or were their two opponents in the playoffs just not impressive?

See, it works both ways. ;)

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31 in the 2nd half at NE

42 at Seattle

24 at Atlanta

I stand corrected. It's 97, not 90.

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Part of me just wants to say that the AFC isn't very good. I mean beating Broncos/Patriots/Manning/Brady "sounds" impressive, but when you peel back the layers...

1) The "impressive" 11 game win streak of the broncos featured only 2 opponents with winning records

2) Niners were decidedly waxing the Patriots 31-8 in Foxboro

3) For the past NINE seasons, the AFC champs were either the Colts, the Pats, or the Steelers. Manning took his show to Denver, Steelers were an unimpressive .500, and everybody's already talking about the demise of the Belichek/Brady dynasty. Is it because the Ravens are THAT good, or because these 3 just aren't that good anymore?

If we peel back the layers on the 49ers...

1) they have given up 90 points in their last 2 1/2 quarters of football away from home.

2) the 49ers were 0-1-1 against the Rams.

3) the Falcons were considered by many to be a fraud, and the Packers had too many holes, so are the 49ers really THAT good, or were their two opponents in the playoffs just not impressive?

See, it works both ways. ;)

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31 in the 2nd half at NE

42 at Seattle

24 at Atlanta

I stand corrected. It's 97, not 90.

You accidentally type 2.5 quarters, not 2.5 games.

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Part of me just wants to say that the AFC isn't very good. I mean beating Broncos/Patriots/Manning/Brady "sounds" impressive, but when you peel back the layers...1) The "impressive" 11 game win streak of the broncos featured only 2 opponents with winning records2) Niners were decidedly waxing the Patriots 31-8 in Foxboro3) For the past NINE seasons, the AFC champs were either the Colts, the Pats, or the Steelers. Manning took his show to Denver, Steelers were an unimpressive .500, and everybody's already talking about the demise of the Belichek/Brady dynasty. Is it because the Ravens are THAT good, or because these 3 just aren't that good anymore?

If we peel back the layers on the 49ers...1) they have given up 90 points in their last 2 1/2 quarters of football away from home. 2) the 49ers were 0-1-1 against the Rams. 3) the Falcons were considered by many to be a fraud, and the Packers had too many holes, so are the 49ers really THAT good, or were their two opponents in the playoffs just not impressive? See, it works both ways. ;)
Sure, it's not like I said the niners don't have problems of their own, but that's not the point here.My original post was addressing the relative strength (or lack thereof) of the AFC. People are putting alot of weight behind the wins against brady and manning, but I think those teams are more bark than bite and still riding on the names of their QBs. Think about it, these #1 and #2 seeds in the AFC went a combined 4-4 against their NFC opponents. #1 and 2 seeds in the NFC went 8-0 against the AFC.In fact the entire NFC only had 3 teams that didn't finish 7-9 or better. That's 3 out of 16 teams. The Rams at 7-8-1 have a better record than all but 7 AFC teams while playing in a tougher division and conference. You may say the Falcons are fraud, but the numbers say the real frauds are in the AFC.

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The Ravens will win 42-14 the Ravens are a better team and I don't even see it bring close other than Vernon Davis who should the Ravens fear on that offense

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Part of me just wants to say that the AFC isn't very good. I mean beating Broncos/Patriots/Manning/Brady "sounds" impressive, but when you peel back the layers...

1) The "impressive" 11 game win streak of the broncos featured only 2 opponents with winning records

2) Niners were decidedly waxing the Patriots 31-8 in Foxboro

3) For the past NINE seasons, the AFC champs were either the Colts, the Pats, or the Steelers. Manning took his show to Denver, Steelers were an unimpressive .500, and everybody's already talking about the demise of the Belichek/Brady dynasty. Is it because the Ravens are THAT good, or because these 3 just aren't that good anymore?

For #2, it was actually 31-3 and NE outscored SF 31-10 the rest of the game. SF got a lot of nice plays on D and special teams to go up by 28. I watched the game and out of SF's 6 fumbles, they only lost one and one of them ended up getting picked up by Gore to run in for a TD. A few lucky bounces go NE's way after they gave the game away and I think NE would have won. I wouldn't point to SF's lead as them waxing NE. NE put up 520 offensive yards on SF.

If you watched the AFC Championship game, that was a game were Baltimore dominated every facet and held NE's offense in check. If Baltimore plays D like that, I would be shocked if they don't win the game. I don't think SF's D is as great and it has been exposed in the playoffs like they were last year. It has been SF's offense that has won their playoff games this year and last year.

How exactly do you "dominate every facet" of the game and go into half time trailing? :confused:
Did you miss the 21-0 score in the second half? How exactly do you wax someone winning a game by 7 when you had a 28 point lead and they made a bunch of mistakes and you lucked out to only have 1 in 6 fumbles become turnovers? Do you watch complete games or just one half? I watched the whole 49er/NE game and the NE/Baltimore game and IMHO Baltimore looked better. Baltimore won by 15 and held the NE offense to 13 points or 21 less than SF. If they kept playing both games another quarter, Baltimore wins easy, SF, not sure. That is why I consider it waxing.

LOL at the RB/TE being out argument agains Baltimore. Ridley had 18 carries against Baltimore and only 9 against SF and Gronk didn't play against SF, so how is that even an argument in your mind that SF somehow played a better NE team. NE still put up 520 yards against SF.

Not trying to say SF isn't good, but if you actually watch a complete game it helps you see more. I stand by my comment, if Baltimore's D plays like they did last week, I think they win.

I wasn't trying to say which win over the Pats was more impressive. I was trying to say that a win over the Patriots in Foxboro doesn't mean what it used to. I mean c'mon the cardinals beat the Patriots in foxboro this yr... THE CARDINALS.

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fans put too much stock in the most recent game played. they think momentum is too important. The 49ers won a close game to get here. The ravens blew out the patriots at home. So people start to think the ravens are the bet. Betting and the nfl isnt that easy. in fact this is exactly how bettors get burned.49ers are the bet.

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If the games the week before sent them to the super bowl, the 49ers crushed the Packers and the Ravens barely beat the Broncos, the line would probably be -9 niners.

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The Ravens will win 42-14 the Ravens are a better team and I don't even see it bring close other than Vernon Davis who should the Ravens fear on that offense

Culliver really hurt your feelings, didn't he?FWIW, I agree with your post.

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Total coin-flip game, IMO.

If I had to bet it, I would take BAL plus the points.

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The firing of Cam Cameron is mixed bag for the Ravens offense. Since the firing, Joe Flaccos td / int ratio is much better. But his completion percentage is way down and the Ravens scoring average has actually dropped.But the Ravens defense will get run over by the 49ers offense.The Ravens offense will have to have a career day to win this.

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Part of me just wants to say that the AFC isn't very good. I mean beating Broncos/Patriots/Manning/Brady "sounds" impressive, but when you peel back the layers...

1) The "impressive" 11 game win streak of the broncos featured only 2 opponents with winning records

2) Niners were decidedly waxing the Patriots 31-8 in Foxboro

3) For the past NINE seasons, the AFC champs were either the Colts, the Pats, or the Steelers. Manning took his show to Denver, Steelers were an unimpressive .500, and everybody's already talking about the demise of the Belichek/Brady dynasty. Is it because the Ravens are THAT good, or because these 3 just aren't that good anymore?

If we peel back the layers on the 49ers...

1) they have given up 90 points in their last 2 1/2 quarters of football away from home.

2) the 49ers were 0-1-1 against the Rams.

3) the Falcons were considered by many to be a fraud, and the Packers had too many holes, so are the 49ers really THAT good, or were their two opponents in the playoffs just not impressive?

See, it works both ways. ;)

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31 in the 2nd half at NE

42 at Seattle

24 at Atlanta

I stand corrected. It's 97, not 90.

You accidentally type 2.5 quarters, not 2.5 games.
:wall: Damn it.

My point still stands, however, typos notwithstanding. :lol:

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