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[Dynasty] 2014 Draft Prospects

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The 2013 class has no studs at the top and some of you are already acquiring picks for 2014. It's never to early to talk about that class, so here are my rankings.

QB (Name, class, school)

1. Teddy Bridgewater JR, Louisville

2. Tajh Boyd SR, Clemson

3. Kevin Hogan rSO, Stanford

4. Johnny Manziel rSO, Texas A&M

5. Derek Carr SR, Fresno State

6. Bryn Renner SR, North Carolina

7. Aaron Murray SR, Georgia

8. David Fales SR, San Jose State

RB

1. Jeremy Hill rSO, Louisiana State

2. Lache Seastrunk JR, Baylor

3. Bishop Sankey JR, Washington

4. Jay Ajayi rSO, Boise State

5. Romar Morris rSO, North Carolina

6. Branden Oliver SR, Buffalo

7. Ameer Abdullah JR, Nebraska

8. Ben Malena SR, Texas A&M

9. Silas Redd SR, Southern California

10. Brendan Bigelow JR, Cal

11. Michael Dyer JR, Arkansas Baptist (ex-Auburn)

12. Ka'Deem Carey JR, Arizona

13. David Fluellen SR, Toledo

14. Adam Muema JR San, Diego State

15. Zurlon Tipton SR, Central Michigan

16. James Sims SR, Kansas

17. Roy Finch SR, Oklahoma

18. Jahwan Edwards JR, Ball State

19. John Hubert SR, Kansas State

20. Charles Sims SR, Houston

WR

1. Marqise Lee JR, Southern California

2. Sammy Watkins JR, Clemson

3. Mike Evans rSO, Texas A&M

4. Sean Price rSO, Appalachian State

5. Allen Robinson JR, Penn State

6. Cody Hoffman SR, Brigham Young

7. Davante Adams rSO, Fresno State

8. Andre Davis JR, South Florida

9. Brandin Cooks JR, Oregon State

10.Austin Franklin JR, New Mexico State

11.Tyler Lockett JR, Kansas State

12.Odell Beckham JR, Louisiana State

13.Donte Moncrief JR, Mississippi

14.Jarvis Landry JR, Louisiana State

15.Jordan Matthews SR, Vanderbilt

16.Austin Hill JR, Arizona

17.Jalen Saunders JR, Oklahoma

18.Titus Davis JR, Central Michigan

19.Alex Amidon SR, Boston College

20.Eric Ward SR, Texas Tech

TE

Incomplete. I don't spend too much time watching TE's, sorry. Though, one TE that has caught my eye is Eric Ebron, JR, UNC. Can get downfield, probably a 4.5 guy, good ball skills, more of a WR than a TE at this point.

Edited: School name added.

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The 2013 class has no studs at the top and some of you are already acquiring picks for 2014. It's never to early to talk about that class, so here are my rankings.

QB

1. Teddy Bridgewater JR

2. Tajh Boyd SR

3. Kevin Hogan rSO

4. Johnny Manziel rSO

5. Derek Carr SR

6. Bryn Renner SR

7. Aaron Murray SR

8. David Fales SR

RB

1. Jeremy Hill rSO

2. Lache Seastrunk JR

3. Bishop Sankey JR

4. Jay Ajayi rSO

5. Romar Morris rSO

6. Branden Oliver SR

7. Ameer Abdullah JR

8. Ben Malena SR

9. Silas Redd SR

10. Brendan Bigelow JR

11. Michael Dyer JR

12. Ka'Deem Carey JR

13. David Fluellen SR

14. Adam Muema JR

15. Zurlon Tipton SR

16. James Sims SR

17. Roy Finch SR

18. Jahwan Edwards JR

19. John Hubert SR

20. Charles Sims SR

WR

1. Marqise Lee JR

2. Sammy Watkins JR

3. Mike Evans rSO

4. Sean Price rSO

5. Allen Robinson JR

6. Cody Hoffman SR

7. Davante Adams rSO

8. Andre Davis JR

9. Brandin Cooks JR

10.Austin Franklin JR

11.Tyler Lockett JR

12.Odell Beckham JR

13.Donte Moncrief JR

14.Jarvis Landry JR

15.Jordan Matthews SR

16.Austin Hill JR

17.Jalen Saunders JR

18.Titus Davis JR

19.Alex Amidon SR

20.Eric Ward SR

TE

Incomplete. I don't spend too much time watching TE's, sorry. Though, one TE that has caught my eye is Eric Ebron, JR, UNC. Can get downfield, probably a 4.5 guy, good ball skills, more of a WR than a TE at this point.

good list, Austin Hill is really low Edited by wiscstlatlmia

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Lee, watkins & Hill (if he comes out) are a very decent start to this class.

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Interested in some thoughts on Mariota, who I don't expect to declare as a rSo, but would at least be eligible.

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I don't get all of this love for Jeremy Hill. I'd love to hear why he's getting hyped.Why i'm not crazy about him:-Has an off the field concern(felony)-Pretty slow(ran a 4.8 out of HS)-Not overly quick(had a 4.5 short shuttle out of HS)-averaged 4.9 YPC in the SEC. Compare this to other young RB in the SEC like Yeldon 6.5 and Gurley 6.3, it's not impressive.-Doesn't possess great agility, a little stiff in the hipsHe has a thick build and is a tough inside runner. These are players the NFL/FF owners aren't gaga over anymore, see Le'Veon Bell.

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Ka'Deem Carey looks very low as well. While he isn't very explosive for his size, he's very efficient in everything he does. Runs hard, makes guys miss, good hands. Kind of a Knowshon Moreno type prospect. Ran for 1900 yards last season

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I'd put Dri Archer somewhere on the list. A bit small, but probably would have gone in the 4th-5th rounds if he came out this year. If league gives points for return yards, he'd have a bit more value.

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De'Anthony Thomas should be on that RB list, and probably fairly high. He's likely a situational/COP guy, but one that will likely be at least a second-day pick.

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Thank you Xue - it's a good time to get this going and your list is an excellent starting point. We can all quibble over the rankings but you identified many of the key targets as of today.Some personal thoughts - #1: it's a great time to be a Texas A&M fan - like many, I am not sure how Manziel's game will translate but he will get that shot unless the celebrity becomes his focus. Also, I think Maleena is a better prospect than Michael (who I really like) but I think your initial ranking is fair to high. Evans has the CHANCE to be the best of the bunch and I wouldn't be shocked if he is ranked higher than Watkins by some this time next year.#2: I am rooting for Brandon Oliver and Jordan Matthews - both may have limited upside but they strike me as the types that will work harder than those with better skills and could, therefore, be more productive at the next level.#3: As a Reno guy now, I have become overly familiar with some of the talent coming out here. The next two in the pipeline are Cody Fajardo (QB) and Aaron Bradley (WR). Although both are only Juniors next year, they are eligible and are worth keeping an eye on their development if any. There are some within the program that think Fajardo could be better than Kaepernick. He has a ways to go and his arm strength isn't at that level (few are) but worth watching. Also, I have seen a progression from Rishard Matthews to Brandon Wimberly (who I think is a better prospect) to Bradley (potentially the best of the 3). He needs to add some bulk (listed at 6'1/180), but he has solid hands and quicks.#4 (to jonboltz): Thomas could be added to the list but I personally feel he will be a better NFL contributor than a fantasy asset and, from my observations, Xue targets the fantasy rankings.Thanks again and I think everyone has a right to be excited about this class.

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I don't get all of this love for Jeremy Hill. I'd love to hear why he's getting hyped.Why i'm not crazy about him:-Has an off the field concern(felony)-Pretty slow(ran a 4.8 out of HS)-Not overly quick(had a 4.5 short shuttle out of HS)-averaged 4.9 YPC in the SEC. Compare this to other young RB in the SEC like Yeldon 6.5 and Gurley 6.3, it's not impressive.-Doesn't possess great agility, a little stiff in the hipsHe has a thick build and is a tough inside runner. These are players the NFL/FF owners aren't gaga over anymore, see Le'Veon Bell.

You need to go read up on him. His "felony" was simply getting head from a girl who didn't have a good of a rep anyway. She too was expelled from high school. Hill could have chosen to sign with another school, but instead took the year off and shot up to 260 lbs. He worked hard to get back down to 225-230 and re-committed to LSU. Seems like a dedicated football player to me.Many players are slow coming out of HS, doesn't mean they're that slow right now. Many players run 4.40's but can't play.Maurice Jones-Drew had a 4.41 short shuttle at the combine. Short shuttle is more important for slot WRs and CBs. Power backs don't need an impressive shuttle time.Hill is a lot more impressive than Le'Veon Bell. He has plenty of quickness for a 230-pounder and a good combo of speed/power/strength:
. His speed looks fine to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiwPvgjOSQQ .

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Storm Woods is eligible, no?

Yes, he would be eligible.
Woods is eligible, but I'm not that impressed by him yet. He's fast, probably a 4.4 guy, but that's about it, haven't seen any special cuts from him. I like his teammate Terron Ward much more, but I'm probably in the minority on that one.

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How do Hill/Seastrunk compare to Lacy/Bernard? Expecting Seastrunk to put up a much better combine than Bernard. On the surface Lacy seems better than Hill, more likely to be 3down. Not knowing much I would rank it Seastrunk, Lacy, Bernard, Hill. But I don't know much.

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Ka'Deem Carey looks very low as well. While he isn't very explosive for his size, he's very efficient in everything he does. Runs hard, makes guys miss, good hands. Kind of a Knowshon Moreno type prospect. Ran for 1900 yards last season

I like Carey. He gets so much running room, though, in that offense. They run 3-WR frequently. He has this running style like he wants to cut everything. Some wasted steps instead of just getting downhill at times. I see the Moreno comp, though Carey is a little smaller. I'm probably gonna move him up.He does have some character concerns, though. He's been charged with domestic violence on his pregnant girlfriend. Big no-no. And was recently kicked out of an Arizona basketball game.

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I'd put Dri Archer somewhere on the list. A bit small, but probably would have gone in the 4th-5th rounds if he came out this year. If league gives points for return yards, he'd have a bit more value.

Archer is electric, but I question his size. If he can put on 10 lbs, I'd be more thrilled.

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I don't get all of this love for Jeremy Hill. I'd love to hear why he's getting hyped.Why i'm not crazy about him:-Has an off the field concern(felony)-Pretty slow(ran a 4.8 out of HS)-Not overly quick(had a 4.5 short shuttle out of HS)-averaged 4.9 YPC in the SEC. Compare this to other young RB in the SEC like Yeldon 6.5 and Gurley 6.3, it's not impressive.-Doesn't possess great agility, a little stiff in the hipsHe has a thick build and is a tough inside runner. These are players the NFL/FF owners aren't gaga over anymore, see Le'Veon Bell.

You need to go read up on him. His "felony" was simply getting head from a girl who didn't have a good of a rep anyway. She too was expelled from high school. Hill could have chosen to sign with another school, but instead took the year off and shot up to 260 lbs. He worked hard to get back down to 225-230 and re-committed to LSU. Seems like a dedicated football player to me.Many players are slow coming out of HS, doesn't mean they're that slow right now. Many players run 4.40's but can't play.Maurice Jones-Drew had a 4.41 short shuttle at the combine. Short shuttle is more important for slot WRs and CBs. Power backs don't need an impressive shuttle time.Hill is a lot more impressive than Le'Veon Bell. He has plenty of quickness for a 230-pounder and a good combo of speed/power/strength:
. His speed looks fine to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiwPvgjOSQQ .
I know why he got in trouble off the field. But those "run ins" no matter how small are things I like to avoid.His HS times are all that I can find on record. He doesn't look or play fast. Even that run against South Carolina, he wasn't pulling away from anyone. It's more of a result of poor angles.I agree short shuttle is more important for WRs, but it also indicated change of direction/acceleration. Areas he isn't good right now.He belongs on the top 20 on your list. I still just don't get the hype and i've seen him play. James Wilder JR is just a strong RB with little wiggle, he has almost identical #'s to Hill except his YPC is 5.9 instead of Hill's 4.9.

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Ka'Deem Carey looks very low as well. While he isn't very explosive for his size, he's very efficient in everything he does. Runs hard, makes guys miss, good hands. Kind of a Knowshon Moreno type prospect. Ran for 1900 yards last season

I like Carey. He gets so much running room, though, in that offense. They run 3-WR frequently. He has this running style like he wants to cut everything. Some wasted steps instead of just getting downhill at times. I see the Moreno comp, though Carey is a little smaller. I'm probably gonna move him up.He does have some character concerns, though. He's been charged with domestic violence on his pregnant girlfriend. Big no-no. And was recently kicked out of an Arizona basketball game.
'We're on the same page with him, his offense really opens things up in the running game. The last Rich Rod RB of note(Steve Slaton) flopped in the NFL as well. I agree that he cuts way too much as well.I heard about the character issues, which is again(like Hill) a mark against them.I see Ka'Deem Carey and Lache Seastrunk as opposite RBs in spread systems. They benefit a ton from the scheme, slightly more-so in Baylor because the X and Z line up literally 3 yards from the sideline. Carey is a slasher that runs hard and uses his agility to get yards. Seastrunk is a speed guy that uses it almost too much by bouncing runs very wide(making 90 degree cuts to the sideline) if a lane doesn't present itself initially. It will be very interesting how the NFL evaluates these players.

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thanks for getting this thread started! Some of us have Devy drafts coming up and it is always appreciated to hear different points of view. The one player I can't get my brain around is Thomas. I just don't think he is big enough, and as much as I would like to use the Sproles card, we can't do that for every diminutive RB (like Rouse this year). I think it takes a special system/OC for a player like this to thrive.

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I don't get all of this love for Jeremy Hill. I'd love to hear why he's getting hyped.Why i'm not crazy about him:-Has an off the field concern(felony)-Pretty slow(ran a 4.8 out of HS)-Not overly quick(had a 4.5 short shuttle out of HS)-averaged 4.9 YPC in the SEC. Compare this to other young RB in the SEC like Yeldon 6.5 and Gurley 6.3, it's not impressive.-Doesn't possess great agility, a little stiff in the hipsHe has a thick build and is a tough inside runner. These are players the NFL/FF owners aren't gaga over anymore, see Le'Veon Bell.

High school combine numbers don't mean much. You can pretty much throw those out since so many of these guys develop as they get older. With three years in a college weight program and several months of coaching leading up to the combine, a 4.7 can become a 4.5 pretty easily. If the guy was really a bad talent out of high school, LSU never would've offered him a scholarship. I'd also caution against putting too much emphasis on YPC. Lots of horrible NFL prospects have dominated at the college level. Likewise, there have been plenty of legitimate first round NFL franchise backs like Steven Jackson and Doug Martin who didn't have awesome YPC numbers in all of their college seasons. Supporting cast is a big factor. So is the offensive system. So is the level of competition. Some skills that work wonders against amateurs don't work against pros. Some players are able to seamlessly translate their game to the pro level. Others aren't. The stats give you a decent rough indicator of what someone can do, but that's all it is. A rough indicator. And for the record, 4.9 YPC is quite good. I think Hill is definitely in the conversation with the likes of Gurley and Yeldon. He has a really solid frame and while he's not really a juker, he's pretty good at making sneaky cuts and finding running lanes. There are some nice runs on YouTube that showcase what he can do. I'm also impressed that he was able to emerge as the unquestioned featured back for LSU, as they have quite a bit of talent in their RB stable with several guys who might make pro rosters some day. I don't think Hill is a can't-miss lock, but then again I'd say the same for Seastrunk, Gurley, or Yeldon. He showed enough last year to be considered one of the top RB prospects in his class for the time being.

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thanks for getting this thread started! Some of us have Devy drafts coming up and it is always appreciated to hear different points of view. The one player I can't get my brain around is Thomas. I just don't think he is big enough, and as much as I would like to use the Sproles card, we can't do that for every diminutive RB (like Rouse this year). I think it takes a special system/OC for a player like this to thrive.

The thing about Sproles is that he's actually yoked for his height. He's got the same tree trunk legs as Ray Rice, Trent Richardson, or any other power runner. He's not a small back. Just short. Thomas is a different animal. He's not short. Just skinny. Far too skinny to be an every down back in the NFL. I think he's just a gadget player and a return man at the next level. He's not on my radar for my dev drafts.

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Regarding College YPC --Just a reminder, that there is often a big talent gap between teams in college, *particularly* on the offensive and defensive lines. Alabama has a silly good offensive line, which factors heavily into their YPC.

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How do Hill/Seastrunk compare to Lacy/Bernard? Expecting Seastrunk to put up a much better combine than Bernard. On the surface Lacy seems better than Hill, more likely to be 3down. Not knowing much I would rank it Seastrunk, Lacy, Bernard, Hill. But I don't know much.

I'd probably take Lacy over Hill and Seastrunk over Bernard. Bernard doesn't really jump out at me when I watch him run. Lacy is not amazing, but he has no glaring weaknesses. Enough size to carry the load and also has nimble feet and adequate burst/cutting ability. He should be a decent pro starter. Lache is a bit undersized, but he's got great speed and he's very agile. He can make cuts that none of these other backs can make. I tentatively have him ranked as the best back available next year. What he did down the stretch was pretty impressive.

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I don't get all of this love for Jeremy Hill. I'd love to hear why he's getting hyped.Why i'm not crazy about him:-Has an off the field concern(felony)-Pretty slow(ran a 4.8 out of HS)-Not overly quick(had a 4.5 short shuttle out of HS)-averaged 4.9 YPC in the SEC. Compare this to other young RB in the SEC like Yeldon 6.5 and Gurley 6.3, it's not impressive.-Doesn't possess great agility, a little stiff in the hipsHe has a thick build and is a tough inside runner. These are players the NFL/FF owners aren't gaga over anymore, see Le'Veon Bell.

High school combine numbers don't mean much. You can pretty much throw those out since so many of these guys develop as they get older. With three years in a college weight program and several months of coaching leading up to the combine, a 4.7 can become a 4.5 pretty easily. If the guy was really a bad talent out of high school, LSU never would've offered him a scholarship. I'd also caution against putting too much emphasis on YPC. Lots of horrible NFL prospects have dominated at the college level. Likewise, there have been plenty of legitimate first round NFL franchise backs like Steven Jackson and Doug Martin who didn't have awesome YPC numbers in all of their college seasons. Supporting cast is a big factor. So is the offensive system. So is the level of competition. Some skills that work wonders against amateurs don't work against pros. Some players are able to seamlessly translate their game to the pro level. Others aren't. The stats give you a decent rough indicator of what someone can do, but that's all it is. A rough indicator. And for the record, 4.9 YPC is quite good. I think Hill is definitely in the conversation with the likes of Gurley and Yeldon. He has a really solid frame and while he's not really a juker, he's pretty good at making sneaky cuts and finding running lanes. There are some nice runs on YouTube that showcase what he can do. I'm also impressed that he was able to emerge as the unquestioned featured back for LSU, as they have quite a bit of talent in their RB stable with several guys who might make pro rosters some day. I don't think Hill is a can't-miss lock, but then again I'd say the same for Seastrunk, Gurley, or Yeldon. He showed enough last year to be considered one of the top RB prospects in his class for the time being.
I didn't work today, so i've put some more time into these prospects. I went back and rewatched a couple of games on Hill.-He's faster than I remember, maybe a mid 4.5 type of player-He does make subtle cuts, that help him gain yardage.High School combine numbers are still something to use, in context. These guys haven't been to the NFL combine, so it's something to use that isn't biased. As someone who worked in multiple college programs, I'm aware of how much players can progress physically.I disagree and believe that YPC is an important stat to determine a players worth. Make all the generalizations you want, I didn't say it's the only thing to judge a player by. I'm not using Troy Davis from Iowa State or Danny Woodheads stats. I compared 3 young/promising RBs all in the SEC. They all have advantages being in great programs and benefiting from having better supporting casts than their opponents. The other I listed was James Wilder, who I believe Florida State have better supporting casts than their opponents.Correction: Hill's YPC is 5.3. I did my prep work on the devy prospects prior to the bowl games. When compared to his teammates, Michael Ford/Hilliard/Blue all had better YPC than Hill. But Spencer Ware finished last out of the main RBs at LSU.Hill is a better prospect now, after my game study, than when I woke up this morning.

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Regarding College YPC --Just a reminder, that there is often a big talent gap between teams in college, *particularly* on the offensive and defensive lines. Alabama has a silly good offensive line, which factors heavily into their YPC.

Agreed, but it does reveal something.Lets take a common great opponent such as Alabama(one of the best defenses in college football):Jeremy Hill vs Bama: 29 carries 107 yards 3.7 1 TDTodd Gurley vs Bama: 23 carries 122 yards 5.3 2 TDTre Mason vs Bama: 21 carries 82 yards 3.9 0 TDL. Perkins vs Bama : 15 carries 38 yards 2.5 0 TDC. Michael vs Bama : 12 carries 27 yards 2.3 2 TDV. Smith vs Bama : 13 carries 33 yards 2.5 0 TDA. Andrews vs Bama : 7 carries 27 yards 3.9 0 TDHill performed above average, but when comparing top prospects this gives me a good insight.

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Storm Woods is eligible, no?

Yes, he would be eligible.
Woods is eligible, but I'm not that impressed by him yet. He's fast, probably a 4.4 guy, but that's about it, haven't seen any special cuts from him. I like his teammate Terron Ward much more, but I'm probably in the minority on that one.
Wow he jumped off the screen to me when I was watching the bowl game. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

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I'm also not as high on Lache Seastrunk as others. I believe the Baylor offense is set up to let almost any RB succeed. WR's spread out very far with playaction on most plays.2011:Terrance Ganaway 1547 yards 6.2 21 TD2012:Lache Seastrunk 1012 yards 7.7 7 TDGlasco Martin 889 yards 5.0 15 TDSince Seatrunk became the "starter" vs Kansas:Seatrunk 102 carries 831 yards 8.1 6 TD (keep in mind Seastrunk had an 80 yard TD vs K State with under a minute to go when they were up by 21 points, inflates his YPC from 7.4 to 8.1)Martin 107 carries 578 yards 5.4 9 TDI'm comparing them because Martin is basically a GL back, but even he can thrive in this spread system. I don't see the complete game with Seastrunk. I see him running fast vertically through big gaps, just like Alex Green did at Hawaii.

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The system might be favorable, but that doesn't mean the player is a fluke. Lache has nothing in common with Alex Green. He's a little Porsche who can and explode on a dime. Also a former five star recruit. A different class of talent from guys like Ganaway and Green.

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I don't get all of this love for Jeremy Hill. I'd love to hear why he's getting hyped.Why i'm not crazy about him:-Has an off the field concern(felony)-Pretty slow(ran a 4.8 out of HS)-Not overly quick(had a 4.5 short shuttle out of HS)-averaged 4.9 YPC in the SEC. Compare this to other young RB in the SEC like Yeldon 6.5 and Gurley 6.3, it's not impressive.-Doesn't possess great agility, a little stiff in the hipsHe has a thick build and is a tough inside runner. These are players the NFL/FF owners aren't gaga over anymore, see Le'Veon Bell.

You need to go read up on him. His "felony" was simply getting head from a girl who didn't have a good of a rep anyway. She too was expelled from high school. Hill could have chosen to sign with another school, but instead took the year off and shot up to 260 lbs. He worked hard to get back down to 225-230 and re-committed to LSU. Seems like a dedicated football player to me.Many players are slow coming out of HS, doesn't mean they're that slow right now. Many players run 4.40's but can't play.Maurice Jones-Drew had a 4.41 short shuttle at the combine. Short shuttle is more important for slot WRs and CBs. Power backs don't need an impressive shuttle time.Hill is a lot more impressive than Le'Veon Bell. He has plenty of quickness for a 230-pounder and a good combo of speed/power/strength:
. His speed looks fine to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiwPvgjOSQQ .
I know why he got in trouble off the field. But those "run ins" no matter how small are things I like to avoid.His HS times are all that I can find on record. He doesn't look or play fast. Even that run against South Carolina, he wasn't pulling away from anyone. It's more of a result of poor angles.I agree short shuttle is more important for WRs, but it also indicated change of direction/acceleration. Areas he isn't good right now.He belongs on the top 20 on your list. I still just don't get the hype and i've seen him play. James Wilder JR is just a strong RB with little wiggle, he has almost identical #'s to Hill except his YPC is 5.9 instead of Hill's 4.9.
Hill isn't a 4.4 guy, but he's at worse a 4.55 like Doug Martin. These type of guys exploit defenders being out of position for big plays. Neither guy is going to outrun DBs step for step.Wilder is better pure athlete than Hill, definitely has a better offense, and he also hasn't had as many carries. He's strong and really built, but I didn't see anything special in terms of cutting yet. I actually like Devonta Freeman more.

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I'm also not as high on Lache Seastrunk as others. I believe the Baylor offense is set up to let almost any RB succeed. WR's spread out very far with playaction on most plays.

2011:

Terrance Ganaway 1547 yards 6.2 21 TD

2012:

Lache Seastrunk 1012 yards 7.7 7 TD

Glasco Martin 889 yards 5.0 15 TD

Since Seatrunk became the "starter" vs Kansas:

Seatrunk 102 carries 831 yards 8.1 6 TD (keep in mind Seastrunk had an 80 yard TD vs K State with under a minute to go when they were up by 21 points, inflates his YPC from 7.4 to 8.1)Martin 107 carries 578 yards 5.4 9 TD

I'm comparing them because Martin is basically a GL back, but even he can thrive in this spread system. I don't see the complete game with Seastrunk. I see him running fast vertically through big gaps, just like Alex Green did at Hawaii.

Kid has heart....running the last 45 yards or so after popping his hammy, and still scoring.

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The system might be favorable, but that doesn't mean the player is a fluke. Lache has nothing in common with Alex Green. He's a little Porsche who can and explode on a dime. Also a former five star recruit. A different class of talent from guys like Ganaway and Green.

The point is it's easy to put up gaudy numbers in a system like that. You've remarked about it's impressive what "Seastrunk did down the stretch".Alex Green averaged 8.4 YPC for an entire season in hawaii 1199 yards 18 TDs.

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Storm Woods is eligible, no?

Yes, he would be eligible.
Woods is eligible, but I'm not that impressed by him yet. He's fast, probably a 4.4 guy, but that's about it, haven't seen any special cuts from him. I like his teammate Terron Ward much more, but I'm probably in the minority on that one.
Wow he jumped off the screen to me when I was watching the bowl game. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
His speed did jump off the screen for me. As of right now, I just see a fast guy on a good offense.

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I don't get all of this love for Jeremy Hill. I'd love to hear why he's getting hyped.Why i'm not crazy about him:-Has an off the field concern(felony)-Pretty slow(ran a 4.8 out of HS)-Not overly quick(had a 4.5 short shuttle out of HS)-averaged 4.9 YPC in the SEC. Compare this to other young RB in the SEC like Yeldon 6.5 and Gurley 6.3, it's not impressive.-Doesn't possess great agility, a little stiff in the hipsHe has a thick build and is a tough inside runner. These are players the NFL/FF owners aren't gaga over anymore, see Le'Veon Bell.

You need to go read up on him. His "felony" was simply getting head from a girl who didn't have a good of a rep anyway. She too was expelled from high school. Hill could have chosen to sign with another school, but instead took the year off and shot up to 260 lbs. He worked hard to get back down to 225-230 and re-committed to LSU. Seems like a dedicated football player to me.Many players are slow coming out of HS, doesn't mean they're that slow right now. Many players run 4.40's but can't play.Maurice Jones-Drew had a 4.41 short shuttle at the combine. Short shuttle is more important for slot WRs and CBs. Power backs don't need an impressive shuttle time.Hill is a lot more impressive than Le'Veon Bell. He has plenty of quickness for a 230-pounder and a good combo of speed/power/strength:
. His speed looks fine to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiwPvgjOSQQ .
I know why he got in trouble off the field. But those "run ins" no matter how small are things I like to avoid.His HS times are all that I can find on record. He doesn't look or play fast. Even that run against South Carolina, he wasn't pulling away from anyone. It's more of a result of poor angles.I agree short shuttle is more important for WRs, but it also indicated change of direction/acceleration. Areas he isn't good right now.He belongs on the top 20 on your list. I still just don't get the hype and i've seen him play. James Wilder JR is just a strong RB with little wiggle, he has almost identical #'s to Hill except his YPC is 5.9 instead of Hill's 4.9.
Hill isn't a 4.4 guy, but he's at worse a 4.55 like Doug Martin. These type of guys exploit defenders being out of position for big plays. Neither guy is going to outrun DBs step for step.Wilder is better pure athlete than Hill, definitely has a better offense, and he also hasn't had as many carries. He's strong and really built, but I didn't see anything special in terms of cutting yet. I actually like Devonta Freeman more.
Wilder is an incredibly stiff player for a highly decorated recruit. I've rarely seen him juke completely by a defender. Instead he's like a bull and wants to run/punish defenders.

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I'm also not as high on Lache Seastrunk as others. I believe the Baylor offense is set up to let almost any RB succeed. WR's spread out very far with playaction on most plays.

2011:

Terrance Ganaway 1547 yards 6.2 21 TD

2012:

Lache Seastrunk 1012 yards 7.7 7 TD

Glasco Martin 889 yards 5.0 15 TD

Since Seatrunk became the "starter" vs Kansas:

Seatrunk 102 carries 831 yards 8.1 6 TD (keep in mind Seastrunk had an 80 yard TD vs K State with under a minute to go when they were up by 21 points, inflates his YPC from 7.4 to 8.1)Martin 107 carries 578 yards 5.4 9 TD

I'm comparing them because Martin is basically a GL back, but even he can thrive in this spread system. I don't see the complete game with Seastrunk. I see him running fast vertically through big gaps, just like Alex Green did at Hawaii.

Kid has heart....running the last 45 yards or so after popping his hammy, and still scoring.

Was he supposed to fall down?

Trent Richardson playing with cracked ribs for half a season, that's heart.

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The system might be favorable, but that doesn't mean the player is a fluke. Lache has nothing in common with Alex Green. He's a little Porsche who can and explode on a dime. Also a former five star recruit. A different class of talent from guys like Ganaway and Green.

The point is it's easy to put up gaudy numbers in a system like that. You've remarked about it's impressive what "Seastrunk did down the stretch".Alex Green averaged 8.4 YPC for an entire season in hawaii 1199 yards 18 TDs.
Again, it's not about the numbers. It's about what the player can do. I wouldn't say Seastrunk is a first round lock, but he has special qualities.

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The system might be favorable, but that doesn't mean the player is a fluke. Lache has nothing in common with Alex Green. He's a little Porsche who can and explode on a dime. Also a former five star recruit. A different class of talent from guys like Ganaway and Green.

The point is it's easy to put up gaudy numbers in a system like that. You've remarked about it's impressive what "Seastrunk did down the stretch".Alex Green averaged 8.4 YPC for an entire season in hawaii 1199 yards 18 TDs.
Again, it's not about the numbers. It's about what the player can do. I wouldn't say Seastrunk is a first round lock, but he has special qualities.
I'm not here to debate and make everyone switch to my way of thinking. I'm trying to find out what others see(that I may be missing), this uncovers more information for not just you/me, but for the SP. Isn't that why we're here?What I see with Seastrunk on the field:-a fast RB, that possesses good long speed-solid vision to find a hole-avoids contact and has limited power-decent agility to find holes and make jump cuts, but he isn't great in this area-bounces too much and avoids contact too much, it limits his yardage

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I don't get all of this love for Jeremy Hill. I'd love to hear why he's getting hyped.Why i'm not crazy about him:-Has an off the field concern(felony)-Pretty slow(ran a 4.8 out of HS)-Not overly quick(had a 4.5 short shuttle out of HS)-averaged 4.9 YPC in the SEC. Compare this to other young RB in the SEC like Yeldon 6.5 and Gurley 6.3, it's not impressive.-Doesn't possess great agility, a little stiff in the hipsHe has a thick build and is a tough inside runner. These are players the NFL/FF owners aren't gaga over anymore, see Le'Veon Bell.

You need to go read up on him. His "felony" was simply getting head from a girl who didn't have a good of a rep anyway. She too was expelled from high school. Hill could have chosen to sign with another school, but instead took the year off and shot up to 260 lbs. He worked hard to get back down to 225-230 and re-committed to LSU. Seems like a dedicated football player to me.Many players are slow coming out of HS, doesn't mean they're that slow right now. Many players run 4.40's but can't play.Maurice Jones-Drew had a 4.41 short shuttle at the combine. Short shuttle is more important for slot WRs and CBs. Power backs don't need an impressive shuttle time.Hill is a lot more impressive than Le'Veon Bell. He has plenty of quickness for a 230-pounder and a good combo of speed/power/strength:
. His speed looks fine to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiwPvgjOSQQ .
I know why he got in trouble off the field. But those "run ins" no matter how small are things I like to avoid.His HS times are all that I can find on record. He doesn't look or play fast. Even that run against South Carolina, he wasn't pulling away from anyone. It's more of a result of poor angles.I agree short shuttle is more important for WRs, but it also indicated change of direction/acceleration. Areas he isn't good right now.He belongs on the top 20 on your list. I still just don't get the hype and i've seen him play. James Wilder JR is just a strong RB with little wiggle, he has almost identical #'s to Hill except his YPC is 5.9 instead of Hill's 4.9.
Hill isn't a 4.4 guy, but he's at worse a 4.55 like Doug Martin. These type of guys exploit defenders being out of position for big plays. Neither guy is going to outrun DBs step for step.Wilder is better pure athlete than Hill, definitely has a better offense, and he also hasn't had as many carries. He's strong and really built, but I didn't see anything special in terms of cutting yet. I actually like Devonta Freeman more.
Wilder is an incredibly stiff player for a highly decorated recruit. I've rarely seen him juke completely by a defender. Instead he's like a bull and wants to run/punish defenders.
Wilder has had multiple off-field incidents too, big red flag. His physicality comes from being an All-American LB as well as RB in high school. I thought he would have done better in college than he has thus far.

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I don't get all of this love for Jeremy Hill. I'd love to hear why he's getting hyped.Why i'm not crazy about him:-Has an off the field concern(felony)-Pretty slow(ran a 4.8 out of HS)-Not overly quick(had a 4.5 short shuttle out of HS)-averaged 4.9 YPC in the SEC. Compare this to other young RB in the SEC like Yeldon 6.5 and Gurley 6.3, it's not impressive.-Doesn't possess great agility, a little stiff in the hipsHe has a thick build and is a tough inside runner. These are players the NFL/FF owners aren't gaga over anymore, see Le'Veon Bell.

You need to go read up on him. His "felony" was simply getting head from a girl who didn't have a good of a rep anyway. She too was expelled from high school. Hill could have chosen to sign with another school, but instead took the year off and shot up to 260 lbs. He worked hard to get back down to 225-230 and re-committed to LSU. Seems like a dedicated football player to me.Many players are slow coming out of HS, doesn't mean they're that slow right now. Many players run 4.40's but can't play.Maurice Jones-Drew had a 4.41 short shuttle at the combine. Short shuttle is more important for slot WRs and CBs. Power backs don't need an impressive shuttle time.Hill is a lot more impressive than Le'Veon Bell. He has plenty of quickness for a 230-pounder and a good combo of speed/power/strength:
. His speed looks fine to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiwPvgjOSQQ .
I know why he got in trouble off the field. But those "run ins" no matter how small are things I like to avoid.His HS times are all that I can find on record. He doesn't look or play fast. Even that run against South Carolina, he wasn't pulling away from anyone. It's more of a result of poor angles.I agree short shuttle is more important for WRs, but it also indicated change of direction/acceleration. Areas he isn't good right now.He belongs on the top 20 on your list. I still just don't get the hype and i've seen him play. James Wilder JR is just a strong RB with little wiggle, he has almost identical #'s to Hill except his YPC is 5.9 instead of Hill's 4.9.
Hill isn't a 4.4 guy, but he's at worse a 4.55 like Doug Martin. These type of guys exploit defenders being out of position for big plays. Neither guy is going to outrun DBs step for step.Wilder is better pure athlete than Hill, definitely has a better offense, and he also hasn't had as many carries. He's strong and really built, but I didn't see anything special in terms of cutting yet. I actually like Devonta Freeman more.
Wilder is an incredibly stiff player for a highly decorated recruit. I've rarely seen him juke completely by a defender. Instead he's like a bull and wants to run/punish defenders.
Wilder has had multiple off-field incidents too, big red flag. His physicality comes from being an All-American LB as well as RB in high school. I thought he would have done better in college than he has thus far.
What did he do off the field? I heard he was a good LB in HS, maybe he should've stuck at that position.

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