They would have to do some major restructuring of existing players, or possible cut some key guys, to fit him under the cap. There's just no way it would work financially unless Jackson agreed to take a major pay cut coming off the best season of his career.
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drummer
Footballguy
You brought up Walsh and his drafts. You didn't bring up Policy's, Nolan's, or McGlouhan's. No. You brought up Walsh while not even realizing who he drafted, like the HOF players. I mean, you may find maybe one potential HOF player in the drafts that succeeded Walsh with all of the aforementioned FO guys that Walsh isn't responsible for. But no, you thought "Hey, let's look at Bill Walsh compared to Trent Baalke." Guess between those two is also in the HOF?
You posed a weak argument, and all anyone has to do is point out HOF players. Or maybe a player like Charles Haley. Roger Craig. Dwight Clark.
BTW, it wasn't Delmas we discussed so I was wrong there. It was Craig Dahl:
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=676496&page=5
Who had a total of 10 tackles in 2013.
Can you blame a GM for any red flags you see in a #1 draft pick after you drafted him? Maybe, but let's revisit another one of our conversations:
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=676496&page=10#entry15966138
So you've missed on two already.
You can't blame a GM for injuries, but you can blame them for depth of talent. All you had to do is look at the skill position players as well as the so-called depth at RB. You know, WR, defensive backfield, and only one good RB in Gore who Baalke isn't responsible for. Everybody except you seems to know this.
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drummer
Footballguy
Wingnut
Footballguy
NaVorro Bowman rule coming?
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=san-francisco-49ers&id=6016&src=desktop
Among the rule changes to be considered next week at the NFL owners meetings is one inspired by a controversial call in the San Francisco 49ers' NFC title game loss at Seattle, in which star linebacker NaVorro Bowman tore the ACL in his knee. Bowman
The owners will vote on whether to expand replays to include the recovery of a loose ball in the field of play. The current rule is that those such plays are not reviewable to keep officials from reviewing routine post-fumble scrums. Bowman appeared to have stripped the ball during the play at the goal line in the fourth quarter at Seattle. The play was not reviewed and Bowman was hurt on the play.
Niners coach Jim Harbaugh called the lack of a review on the play a "loophole." Now, it may be part of the rule book. Of course, if passed, like any other reviewed play, there will have to be overwhelming evidence that the recovery was made to warrant the overturn
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=san-francisco-49ers&id=6016&src=desktop
Among the rule changes to be considered next week at the NFL owners meetings is one inspired by a controversial call in the San Francisco 49ers' NFC title game loss at Seattle, in which star linebacker NaVorro Bowman tore the ACL in his knee. Bowman
The owners will vote on whether to expand replays to include the recovery of a loose ball in the field of play. The current rule is that those such plays are not reviewable to keep officials from reviewing routine post-fumble scrums. Bowman appeared to have stripped the ball during the play at the goal line in the fourth quarter at Seattle. The play was not reviewed and Bowman was hurt on the play.
Niners coach Jim Harbaugh called the lack of a review on the play a "loophole." Now, it may be part of the rule book. Of course, if passed, like any other reviewed play, there will have to be overwhelming evidence that the recovery was made to warrant the overturn
Wingnut
Footballguy
Free agent WR options list...and SF interested in Josh Morgan?
http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/49ers-Have-Free-Agent-Options-at-Wide-Receiver/c721b1bf-728e-4b1b-8b12-a438aa9cbc01
Josh Morgan (Washington) 6-foot-1, 220 pounds 2013: 20 catches in 14 games
The six-year vet, 28, left the 49ers in 2012 to return home. Like with Holmes and Rice at their second NFL stops, things haven't gone according to plan. San Francisco is reportedly interested in a reunion.
http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/49ers-Have-Free-Agent-Options-at-Wide-Receiver/c721b1bf-728e-4b1b-8b12-a438aa9cbc01
Josh Morgan (Washington) 6-foot-1, 220 pounds 2013: 20 catches in 14 games
The six-year vet, 28, left the 49ers in 2012 to return home. Like with Holmes and Rice at their second NFL stops, things haven't gone according to plan. San Francisco is reportedly interested in a reunion.
drummer
Footballguy
Ummm, no. Bruce Miller had better stats than Morgan in 2013 in less games. Besides, Kaep ended his season with just one pass as a rookie 2011.
drummer
Footballguy
Nice try, but you're way off base again. I am kind of disappointed you can't understand the basics of the most simple discussions.
I compared it to Walsh's drafts because they were a dominant team then and the point was that if Walsh swung and missed so much, then Baalke deserves a pass when he misses. I am more than aware of the HOF players Walsh drafted Junior. You act like Baalke is supposed to nail every pick but that just doesn't happen with even the best GMS. The drafts in the 90s and 2000s were pretty bad for the most part, so not a great basis for comparison. Your posts are pretty self serving for the most part and I generally ignore them, but I just wanted to point out how badly you missed on this one as well.
As far as Dahl goes (I would think someone as astute as you like to think you are would know the difference between Dahl and Delmas), I thought it was a decent signing as it was obvious they were going to draft a safety last year and good to have a vet with starting experience on the roster just in case. Not every signing is a team changer. Reid played well and Dahl didn't have to play much. Good Good.
As far as depth of talent, they are actually one of the leagues deepest teams overall. Hard to have great depth at every position in the salary cap era. Teams don't generally spend a lot of money on RB depth and the one high pick they spent (James) hasn't panned out, at least not yet. Hunter is a solid back up (Career average of 4.6) and they drafted Lattimore and hopefully James can find a role that contributes, so can't say there is lack of depth at RB. Granted, they haven't had a lot of success finding a dominant WR, but having Crabtree and Boldin for a whole season will be a positive and hopefully, Patton will play well. Other than Jenkins, they haven't spent a high pick on a WR in the Baalke era. He missed there for sure.
For a team with so many issue, 12-4 and a play or two away from another super bowl appearance isn't half bad. I think you predicted 9-10 wins for them in 2013, so obviously they don't have as many holes as you seem to think.
drummer
Footballguy
Nah, you brought up Walsh because it's every homer's line of defense, due to reading too much Maiocco and such. I mean you could had brought up the other FO guys that succeeded Walsh who drafted potential HOF players such as Terrell Owens. Nope, you just threw guys like Roger Craig under the bus because you really don't have a point when it comes to Baalke. I mean come on, you said he whiffed on Taylor Mays when everyone knows that was a Singletary pick over Jimmy Clausen.efactor said:
BTW: Bryant Young and Dana Stubbefield. Lee Woodall and Merton Hanks. Ricky Watters and Bar None. I've posted many a time about the three headed donkey of Policy/Clark/Cerratto, so maybe you should read this thread more.
Again, the 49ers haven't had a HOF player from those other GM's, and even Steve Young was a Walsh acquisition. But, you dare went and compared Baalke to Walsh. It would be more fair to compare Baalke to the guy he replaced. But hey! Let's revisit a post here:
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=676496&page=24#entry16580116
I guess the few who think Baalke is the best GM in football includes you, since you compared him to Walsh.
I mean we can go player by player of every Walsh pick, say a Carlton Williamson if you like. That might help you out. Because we've already gone through player by player of Baalke's drafts and FA acquisitions here already. We've already discussed how they aren't deep outside of the defensive front seven, and how a Nolan FA in Justin Smith is more crucial to it than a "nice balanced young man" in Aldon Smith, who is busy tackling trees with his car on the way to work. But despite what others here had discussed, it still doesn't take away from Baalke actually being put on point finally from various media sources other than Jed's lap dog in Maiocco.
It's now become a choice of either Harbaugh, or Baalke and say a Brian Billick. Yeah, that's gonna work out fine.
I love it when blind homers come into these 49er threads and post stuff like Walsh vs. Baalke. I also love it when they come in and argue a guy like Craig Dahl, then say it wasn't as big a deal after making it one. I mean, we already called it. But hey! It's Trent Baalke! Every player is good when he picks them.
Thus, just a few plays and players away from actually winning the Super Bowl, with the window getting smaller, the FO once again in turmoil, and watching Delanie Walker have his best season on a another team while watching Vance McDonald drop yet another pass, miss another block, and run a route as slow as molasses. Oh, and James again being a game day scratch, while your 2013 draft pick in Lattimore can't even make a practice. That's what RB depth means guy. It means you still depend on Frank Gore when it comes to almost the entire offense, save the legs of Kaepernick, who is the second leading rusher on the team, and only one WR in Boldin most of the season. I'd figure you'd understand this, but then again I know what you read and where you read it based on your posts.
Everybody here knows I pick the 49ers every year to win 10 games. I posted 9 just to mess with Wingnut. I have reasons why, and that is mostly due to a stat number on the defense. So it's not just a random thing. But I also looked at and posted an offensive stat I also track every season, which is 3rd down efficiency. So while one stat on defense declines, the other stat on offense improves. 10 wins is the baseline. That shows more to the value of coaching than it does the roster too. Of course, Kaepernick improves that due to he having to run the ball because again, they only have Gore to gain yardage, instead of Hunter to lose yardage.
What a GM has to do is improve upon what they lack, and so far on offense, Baalke craps the bed. Let's face it: they win with Nolan/McGlouhan's talent, such as Crabtree, Justin Smith, and Vernon Davis. Now, McGlouhan again has a ring in SEA. I'm not posting Baalke hate. I'm posting Baalke reality. You really need to try to get there. There as in reality.
So far in comparing Baalke to Walsh, you might be on a bender with Aldon Smith.
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drummer
Footballguy
Anyway, enough of this unreadable nonsense between eFactor and I. I respectfully disagree on some issues and agree on a few. I got into some old bad posting habits. The conversation went left because of me. Sorry for being a tool man, and that goes to everybody else that had to read it.
chinawildman
Footballguy
Just did my first scouting of the wide receiver prospects (read watched some youtube highlights) this year. If the niners take a WR in the first it should be Beckham jr. I'm not taking Watkins and Evans out of the equation but it's unlikely Baalke will pull a julio jones-esque move to grab a guy that early, nor would I want them to.
Beckham looks smooth when he plays, not particularly flashy just one of those guys that makes the game look easy. He looks very well coached and shows great hands, technique and ability to separate and return skills. Only knock on him is that he's a little on the small side, but from what I've seen the guy's catch radius is pretty imrpessive.
Other dudes that jumped out to me were Paul Richardson (reminded me a bit of djax) and Donte Moncrief (good measurables and skills but seemed a little soft)
Thoughts?
Beckham looks smooth when he plays, not particularly flashy just one of those guys that makes the game look easy. He looks very well coached and shows great hands, technique and ability to separate and return skills. Only knock on him is that he's a little on the small side, but from what I've seen the guy's catch radius is pretty imrpessive.
Other dudes that jumped out to me were Paul Richardson (reminded me a bit of djax) and Donte Moncrief (good measurables and skills but seemed a little soft)
Thoughts?
Wingnut
Footballguy
And here we go again...what an idiot.
LOS ANGELES (AP) San Francisco 49ers linebacker Aldon Smith was arrested Sunday at Los Angeles International Airport after authorities said he became belligerent during a security screening and threatened that he had a bomb.
http://news.yahoo.com/49ers-linebacker-aldon-smith-arrested-airport-002457018--spt.html?soc_src=mediacontentsharebuttons
LOS ANGELES (AP) San Francisco 49ers linebacker Aldon Smith was arrested Sunday at Los Angeles International Airport after authorities said he became belligerent during a security screening and threatened that he had a bomb.
http://news.yahoo.com/49ers-linebacker-aldon-smith-arrested-airport-002457018--spt.html?soc_src=mediacontentsharebuttons
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drummer
Footballguy
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24526440/report-aldon-smith-had-higher-than-average-risk-on-pre-draft-profile
Well, there goes the 2011 draft now that Culliver is also in trouble. All they need now is a TMZ Kaep rumor.
Wingnut
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
TMZ is one credible website. Of course, no article would come out of he "not being a bad guy" if say, he wasn't "being a bad guy". Good guys carry brass knuckles, own illegal firearms, and drive drunk or recklessly, hitting things in their path. The problem is they are hardly on the field much to actually hit others because they are suspended.
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For your 49er insiders / fans - what's the local take on Aldon Smith?
Is his production still far outweighing the negatives? Getting close to even? Worse than even?
I think the tough thing for SF is they know Smith would be on the market for about .5 seconds before another team grabbed him.
What's the local take?
J
Is his production still far outweighing the negatives? Getting close to even? Worse than even?
I think the tough thing for SF is they know Smith would be on the market for about .5 seconds before another team grabbed him.
What's the local take?
J
CalBear
Footballguy
Vibe right now still seems to be "geeze, he's really an idiot, I hope he gets his crap together because it would suck to have to cut/trade him."
drummer
Footballguy
I think he's a lost cause. He should be at the point where he can dominate without Justin Smith, but the reality is much of his production stems from Justin being dominant. Sure he had a great rookie season as far as sacks, but most of those were on situational downs where he was rotated in, not playing a full lot of snaps. The season when Justin was hurt, his production fell way off. Then there was last season. Now this.
The 49ers have a huge problem on their hands team wise. One of the problems: booze and partying. I asked Kevin Lynch about it during a chat (which I think I linked here a few pages way ago), and he basically confirmed it. That along with the naivete of team president Jed York. York is only 34 years old. He had three of his top "Gold Star" draft picks with bad press over the past few weeks, along with a few other players who have been in trouble since he's been team president. This with a power struggle in the front office between GM Trent Baalke and Jim Harbaugh. I think his right hand in Paraag Marathe is also part of it. York has been trying to cover up a lot of the mess with the press, but the reality is the team seems to have lost control of itself. They knew Aldon had trouble after his first DUI, maybe even before that. Aldon still was reckless, and it wasn't until it reached a crisis point where it couldn't be avoided in the media is when they basically slapped Aldon on the wrist, and then tried to save face. Now, what can they do? They would look even more foolish if they did that again.
It's just a matter of time before we read another player in trouble there. It's beyond Aldon Smith now.
The 49ers have a huge problem on their hands team wise. One of the problems: booze and partying. I asked Kevin Lynch about it during a chat (which I think I linked here a few pages way ago), and he basically confirmed it. That along with the naivete of team president Jed York. York is only 34 years old. He had three of his top "Gold Star" draft picks with bad press over the past few weeks, along with a few other players who have been in trouble since he's been team president. This with a power struggle in the front office between GM Trent Baalke and Jim Harbaugh. I think his right hand in Paraag Marathe is also part of it. York has been trying to cover up a lot of the mess with the press, but the reality is the team seems to have lost control of itself. They knew Aldon had trouble after his first DUI, maybe even before that. Aldon still was reckless, and it wasn't until it reached a crisis point where it couldn't be avoided in the media is when they basically slapped Aldon on the wrist, and then tried to save face. Now, what can they do? They would look even more foolish if they did that again.
It's just a matter of time before we read another player in trouble there. It's beyond Aldon Smith now.
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BaBastage
Footballguy
I have a feeling they will be without Aldon Smith most if not all of 2014. Either they'll cut him, or he'll serve some time. (His arraignment for the weapons charges and DUI was arleady set for 4/29 iirc). Fan response on local radio is mostly of the "Time to cut bait" variety.
For the most part, I agree with drummer on his assessment of the front office. As much as fans are enjoying the team winning again after a decade of suckitude, it's wearing thin. Maybe we're just spoiled with the high-class 49ers of the prior eras, but there's a general sense of "we're better than this".
Personally, I think the off-the-field-behavior may come from Harbaugh himself. He's got a temper problem - showed up at a presser a year or two ago with signs of having been involved in a physical scuffle with someone.
I think 2014 is going to be a correction year for the team on defense. Too many lost players to be the dominant D that we've seen recently. It's step-up time for Cornelius "Tank" Carradine and Cory Lemonier. And we need someone else in the secondary.
Spin
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
Remember him as a rook? He made some spectacular catches, and seemed like a level headed kid.
Then he decided to become a rapper.
I still shudder at the QB roster in both 2004-05:
Tim Rattay
Ken Dorsey
Cody Pickett
Alex Smith - 2005
I dunno how he caught for almost 1300 yards in two seasons with that.
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Thanks for the insights 49er guys. That's pretty interesting. I was thinking it was less serious with Aldon Smith. I do think he'll be highly sought after if he is available for another team though. For a talent like that, teams always want to think they will be different.
J
J
I think the Niners would generally be inclined to continue to roll the dice too, but in their case signing Aldon doesn't only represent a big financial commitment, it would probably directly lead to the loss of another pro bowl caliber player (Crabtree, Iupati, or Boone, most likely). Most teams don't have that kind of opportunity cost issue.
drummer
Footballguy
LOL, should we grade the 2011 draft now?
Funny thing on looking at 2011 and the previous draft before it. The only constant here is Trent Baalke, at least physically. What I'm finding interesting are the Head Coaches, their respective personalities, the players drafted in those respective years each, their personalities that resonate with the Head Coach that leads to both a signature draft each with true studs, and a couple of other strong players on the current roster:
2010 draft - Head Coach: Mike Singletary
2010 1 11 Anthony Davis T 2013 0 0 4 29 64 Rutgers 2010 1 17 Mike Iupati G 2013 1 2 4 35 60 Idaho 2010 2 49 Taylor Mays DB 2013 0 0 0 7 50 USC 2010 3 91 NaVorro Bowman LB 2013 3 2 3 50 64 3 9.0 Penn St. 2010 6 173 Anthony Dixon RB 2013 0 0 0 4 64 148 458 8 9 47 0 Mississippi St. 2010 6 182 Nate Byham TE 2013 0 0 1 0 29 11 83 1 Pittsburgh 2010 6 206 Kyle Williams WR 2013 0 0 1 7 39 8 76 0 47 574 4 Arizona St. 2010 7 224 Phillip Adams DB 2013 0 0 0 7 53 3 South Carolina St.
It's very apparent now, even though I've said this all along, that this draft is Mike Singletary's, not Trent Baalke's. Why? All Singletary wanted to do in the offense was run the ball, and on defense, defend the run. He was asked if they would consider drafting a QB. He didn't think they would. They didn't, and thus Taylor Mays.
Key players here are obviously Davis, Iupati, and Bowman.
This is huge, because these are fresh key blocks on top of what was already built. Smash mouth on either side, with Dixon adding even more size. Singletary wanted more smash mouth. The players mentioned reflect that.
Outside of an Anthony Davis tweet, not much noise in the media about them that's bad.
2011 draft - Head coach: Jim Harbaugh
2011 1 7 Aldon Smith DE 2013 1 1 2 22 43 1 42.0 Missouri 2011 2 36 Colin Kaepernick QB 2013 0 0 1 24 32 382 639 5046 31 11 157 937 9 Nevada-Reno 2011 3 80 Chris Culliver DB 2013 0 0 0 4 32 3 South Carolina 2011 4 115 Kendall Hunter RB 2013 0 0 0 11 43 0 0 0 0 0 262 1202 7 27 268 0 Oklahoma St. 2011 5 163 Daniel Kilgore OL 2013 0 0 0 1 33 Appalachian St. 2011 6 182 Ronald Johnson WR 2012 0 0 0 0 0 USC 2011 6 190 Colin Jones DB 2013 0 0 0 3 44 TCU 2011 7 211 Bruce Miller DL 2013 0 0 2 5 45 16 39 0 48 410 1 Central Florida 2011 7 239 Michael Person OL 0 0 0 Montana St. 2011 7 250 Curtis Holcomb DB 2012 0 0 0 0 0 Florida A&M
Trent Baalke was Exec of the Year because of this draft.
So far:
Aldon Smith - probably not going to be with the 49ers in 2014, or at least play. What do you call this? A bust? A HUGE bust? Not because he can't play. It's rather how bad his behavior reflects on Baalke and the FO. Someone has to own up to Smith eventually. But what is he more a reflection of? The GM? Or the HC?
Colin Kaepernick - Ok, this is Harbaugh's guy all along. Until Harbaugh finds another guy. Even then, Harbaugh might bring in a Vet that's more his guy just because he's Harbaugh. I mean, he told everybody Alex Smith was his guy. But he's Harbaugh. Who better else reflects Harbaugh than Kaepernick?
Chris Culliver - Still not an answer. Even more now a question mark. Obviously has issues that again reflects both in the past and present poorly on the 49ers. Plus he was torched in the Super Bowl. After creating controversy.
All three have been in the news with bad press over the past few weeks. Kilgore also earlier with a drunken incident. Hunter is likely gone, and the only player that is proving a nice one is Bruce Miller, but that's more on Harbaugh's staff.
Again, the only physical constant is Baalke, I mean outside of Tomsula and the equipment manager and such.
So here is two different head coaches, two drafts in consecutive years, with the same NFL franchise that includes the same owners, stadium, Jed York and Paraag Marathe, and Trent Baalke.
Your thoughts?
ETA: sorry for the draft format. I will try to fix that.
Funny thing on looking at 2011 and the previous draft before it. The only constant here is Trent Baalke, at least physically. What I'm finding interesting are the Head Coaches, their respective personalities, the players drafted in those respective years each, their personalities that resonate with the Head Coach that leads to both a signature draft each with true studs, and a couple of other strong players on the current roster:
2010 draft - Head Coach: Mike Singletary
2010 1 11 Anthony Davis T 2013 0 0 4 29 64 Rutgers 2010 1 17 Mike Iupati G 2013 1 2 4 35 60 Idaho 2010 2 49 Taylor Mays DB 2013 0 0 0 7 50 USC 2010 3 91 NaVorro Bowman LB 2013 3 2 3 50 64 3 9.0 Penn St. 2010 6 173 Anthony Dixon RB 2013 0 0 0 4 64 148 458 8 9 47 0 Mississippi St. 2010 6 182 Nate Byham TE 2013 0 0 1 0 29 11 83 1 Pittsburgh 2010 6 206 Kyle Williams WR 2013 0 0 1 7 39 8 76 0 47 574 4 Arizona St. 2010 7 224 Phillip Adams DB 2013 0 0 0 7 53 3 South Carolina St.
It's very apparent now, even though I've said this all along, that this draft is Mike Singletary's, not Trent Baalke's. Why? All Singletary wanted to do in the offense was run the ball, and on defense, defend the run. He was asked if they would consider drafting a QB. He didn't think they would. They didn't, and thus Taylor Mays.
Key players here are obviously Davis, Iupati, and Bowman.
This is huge, because these are fresh key blocks on top of what was already built. Smash mouth on either side, with Dixon adding even more size. Singletary wanted more smash mouth. The players mentioned reflect that.
Outside of an Anthony Davis tweet, not much noise in the media about them that's bad.
2011 draft - Head coach: Jim Harbaugh
2011 1 7 Aldon Smith DE 2013 1 1 2 22 43 1 42.0 Missouri 2011 2 36 Colin Kaepernick QB 2013 0 0 1 24 32 382 639 5046 31 11 157 937 9 Nevada-Reno 2011 3 80 Chris Culliver DB 2013 0 0 0 4 32 3 South Carolina 2011 4 115 Kendall Hunter RB 2013 0 0 0 11 43 0 0 0 0 0 262 1202 7 27 268 0 Oklahoma St. 2011 5 163 Daniel Kilgore OL 2013 0 0 0 1 33 Appalachian St. 2011 6 182 Ronald Johnson WR 2012 0 0 0 0 0 USC 2011 6 190 Colin Jones DB 2013 0 0 0 3 44 TCU 2011 7 211 Bruce Miller DL 2013 0 0 2 5 45 16 39 0 48 410 1 Central Florida 2011 7 239 Michael Person OL 0 0 0 Montana St. 2011 7 250 Curtis Holcomb DB 2012 0 0 0 0 0 Florida A&M
Trent Baalke was Exec of the Year because of this draft.
So far:
Aldon Smith - probably not going to be with the 49ers in 2014, or at least play. What do you call this? A bust? A HUGE bust? Not because he can't play. It's rather how bad his behavior reflects on Baalke and the FO. Someone has to own up to Smith eventually. But what is he more a reflection of? The GM? Or the HC?
Colin Kaepernick - Ok, this is Harbaugh's guy all along. Until Harbaugh finds another guy. Even then, Harbaugh might bring in a Vet that's more his guy just because he's Harbaugh. I mean, he told everybody Alex Smith was his guy. But he's Harbaugh. Who better else reflects Harbaugh than Kaepernick?
Chris Culliver - Still not an answer. Even more now a question mark. Obviously has issues that again reflects both in the past and present poorly on the 49ers. Plus he was torched in the Super Bowl. After creating controversy.
All three have been in the news with bad press over the past few weeks. Kilgore also earlier with a drunken incident. Hunter is likely gone, and the only player that is proving a nice one is Bruce Miller, but that's more on Harbaugh's staff.
Again, the only physical constant is Baalke, I mean outside of Tomsula and the equipment manager and such.
So here is two different head coaches, two drafts in consecutive years, with the same NFL franchise that includes the same owners, stadium, Jed York and Paraag Marathe, and Trent Baalke.
Your thoughts?
ETA: sorry for the draft format. I will try to fix that.
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Bob Magaw
Footballguy
"~I think Luck is better than Wilson, and I think Wilson now is better than Kaep, with Luck way above both of them.~"
"Discuss."
Agree. You should hop in a time machine and visit the 2015 version of yourself in the Kaepernick thread. The things you two could talk about!
* But I'm sure a lot has happened in the last season, with either Kaepernick doing a lot better (going from about 20 TDs, to about 20 TDs - WAIT), Luck doing a lot worse (going from 23-40 TDs - WHAT), or both, to explain so radical an overhaul from this perspective. Maybe you could even elaborate on that?
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Bob Magaw
Footballguy
"As far as Luck, there is no argument on his impact overall as QB over Wilson and Kaep. If Luck was with Harbaugh, Roman, and Fangio from Year One in the NFL, well....."
Another moment of clarity, this is uncanny. I agree with you a lot more, 2014 version, pre-switchey changey Drummer.
You were about to say something after the well..... part?
Discuss.
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I was surprised Washington was taking on the 8 million a year, then I saw that the Bucs are paying 4 million of his salary in 2015, which covers the rest of his guarenteed money, so they can restructure or release him next year without any cap implications. Makes more sense, but 4 million is still a lot for someone who played so poorly the last couple years.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Wait. Why are we posting in the OLD 49er thread all of a sudden? 
Lets take it back to the current one.
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/723536-official-sf-49ers-2015-thread/
Lets take it back to the current one.
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/723536-official-sf-49ers-2015-thread/
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