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Can someone please assure me that the Bills are working on an extension with Spiller? Because it will be too late after this season and they can't afford to lose him or pay him what he'll get on the open market.

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I worked on a mock.

Mock Draft Version 1.0 – April 5th 2013

With the draft a little less than three weeks away; the build up and smoke-screens are flying. Now while I think the Buffalo Bills may be better suited to trade back from pick eight in the first round and/or up from pick 41 in the second, for purposes of this mock I will be projecting picks based on current selections. With glaring needs all over the roster, Buffalo needs to hit on pick eight and get lucky at pick 41.

If Buffalo were to trade I would estimate it being trading down from (8) to the 13-15 range, Tampa Bay, Carolina and the New Orleans all pick consecutively, all have a need for DT. Per draft value charts by moving down a few spots it should garner a late second/early third. I’d be more comfortable taking a QB here such as EJ Manuel as I don’t believe Geno Smith makes it to 13.

The ultimate dream scenario (don’t wake me up) would be to trade down to 13-15, draft best player available. Make another trade of pick 41 and that extra third to move up to the 32-35 range to guarantee you a QB ahead of the flock of teams who need one.

Round 1: Pick 8 overall

Cordarrelle Patterson – WR Tennessee 6’2, 216 LBS

It might be a small reach and not the best player available but Patterson fills a big need for the Bills. Patterson is a big strong physical WR with great speed. This off-season brought news that Stevie Johnson will play more in the slot to take advantage of 3rd corners and take elite corners off the edge with his excellent route running with the way he torques his body. The Bills have no real other outside threats. Stevie doesn’t have the downfield capabilities like Patterson. TJ Graham is only 6’0 180 pounds and more of a bubble screen, slot, and deep threat. The Bills only have 3 more WR’s on the roster currently. Marcus Easley a former 4th round pick who has yet to stay healthy, possesses great size but route running and hands still need work. The others are Kevin Elliot and Chris Hogan both big WR’s battling for a roster spot and special teams.

Patterson is a former JUCO transfer who set records at a community college in Kansas, Was one of the most sot ought transfers in the Nation. Patterson decided to declare after a very strong junior year.

Patterson returned kicks and ran for 308 yards as well. Great open field runner who played in the West Coast system at Tennessee. Can stretch the defense vertically and gain separation. Is tough to bring down, and a dangerous on reverses. Great red-zone leaping ability something the Bills have lacked having to use Scott Chandler in such situations. His 4.33 40 yard dash and size make him a great fit for the Bills WR corps. Out muscles defensive backs for balls, very strong when the ball is in hands. Former coaches have raved about his football intelligence and competitive nature. Likes to fight off defenders and box them out.

A bit raw in his route running ability but has consistently got better. Buffalo has been looking for an explosive WR forever and would be a great fit with Stevie, Graham and CJ coming out of the back field. Nix and Whaley have praised the Bengals technique of a few years prior drafting AJ Green and Dalton. Nix has stated publicly he doesn’t like the QB’s in this class and with the Bills signing Kevin Kolb to a two year stop gap; it seems more likely that the Bills were to hope a QB falls to them at 41 or go get him. With Scott Chandler still hurt and Fred Davis not signing, the Bills have limited weapons in the passing game. This will bolster that and hopefully the QB of the future.

Other Possibilities:

EJ Manuel QB FSU- I think he is a surprise first round pick; like Ponder and Locker in years past, I think he could go within the first 15 picks, maybe even to the Bills.

Lane Johnson OT- Oklahoma, big OT, can move Glenn to RT and have franchise potential all-pro for years to come. Marrone played offensive line and that’s where it all starts.

Jonathan Cooper OG- North Carolina - one of the best overall players in the draft wouldn’t rub most fans the right way letting go a solid guard in free agency to draft replacement in the first round. Cooper is better than Warmack at pulling and would be a better fit with CJ Spiller.

Barkevicious Mingo – OLB while I don’t think the Bills go D, he would be a former DE turned OLB pass rush specialist to attack the QB. He’d be more of a Pettine pick here.

Pick 41 overall – 2nd Round

Matt Barkley QB- USC

Here’s hoping to Matt Barkley falling to pick 41 or the Bills making it happen. Barkley is a perfect fit and leader for the Buffalo Bills West Coast Offense. Barkley is experienced accurate QB with a nice touch on the ball. Dominated Doug Marrone’s Syracuse team twice, would Marrone choose Barkley over his own? Much like other coaches have done before. Has a great work ethic, first one in the building attitude. Had a great junior season with 36 touchdowns and a down senior season because of a shoulder injury and inexperience on the offensive line. A great rhythm thrower that can move the offense down the field. He isn’t the read option type quarterback that the Bills may be looking for. He could go into the first round if someone decides to take him early or he can slide. He might be traded up for as well. I’d prefer Barkley over every quarterback in this class. 6’3 227 great completion percentage of 69% and 64% his past two seasons. Won’t wow you with throws but with his intelligence and leadership qualities could effectively lead the Bills offense. If Barkley doesn’t work out and next year’s class turns out to be the hype Buffalo could always use a first round selection then and cut ties with Kolb.

Other Possibilities:

Ryan Nassib QB Syracuse

Manti Teo’ Notre Dame

Zach Ertz TE Stanford

Arthur Brown OLB Kansas St

Bacarri Rambo S – Georgia

Pick 71 overall 3rd Round

Jamie Collins OLB – Southern Miss

A 6’3 255 pass rusher, A 41.5 vertical leap and was visiting One Bills Drive during the first week of April. Great at closing the gap and supporting the run. Strong enough and has enough length to shed blocks and support his middle linebackers. Needs help in pass coverage with double teams. Had 20 tackles for loss last season, Great potential as a third or fourth round pick. You can never have to many pass rushers or hybrid 3-4 guys in our new scheme.

Other Possibilities:

Matt Scott – QB Arizona

Kiko Alonso – ILB Oregon

Vance McDonald TE Rice

Pick 105 overall 4th Round

Tyrann Mathiew – CB LSU

I’m very happy the Bills decided to use one of their pre-draft visits on Mathiew. A huge risk reward pick but like Jenkins last year ended up being a steal for the Rams. Mathiew is a bit undersized but would be a perfect third slot corner. Justin Rogers can’t produce consistently. Mathiew makes plays on the ball, takes risks and always seems to be around. Experienced, durable, plays fast, can play both defensive back schemes zone and man. He is also valuable on special teams. His history of drug problems is a problem but worth the chance at this spot. He can blitz off the edge. At 5’9 186 lbs Mathiew would be more of a role player on third down and passing situations. Won’t be able to keep up with big TE’s but can cover and make plays on any slot-WR. I would be content taking him in the third even.

Other Possibilities:

Tyler Bray – QB Tennessee

Shamarko Thomas SS – Syracuse

Ryan Swope WR – Texas A&M

Pick 143 overall 5th Round

Alvin Bailey OG –Arkansas

I really like Alvin Bailey should he fall to the 5th round. A massive guard at Arkansas, known for his pulling ability something the Bills offense will do often with Eric Wood. At 6’3 315, Bailey can use his strength to knock down defenders or athleticism to get to the second level. Ran a 4.89 40 and had 27 reps on the bench.

Other Possibilities:

Kevin Reddick ILB UNC

Brandon McGee CB Miami

Tharold Simon CB LSU

Pick 177 overall 6th Round

Chris Gragg TE Arkansas

I’ve been dying for a legit ethic TE for some time. Now I know what you’re thinking (if you read this far) Dorin Dickerson is a brother. He’s a hybrid TE/FB Doesn’t count. From the days of Pete Metzelaers, Jay Riemersma,to the slop we have been trotting out the past ten years. Derek freaking Fine? Give me Chris Gragg, a former WR who ran a 4.46, 6’3 244 lbs. Quick and able to gain separation from LB’s and some safety’s, makes good yard after contact and tough of the middle and can stretch a zone. Not much of a blocker but we have 37 of those. He could gain a little more muscle mass.

Free Agents:

The Bills have brought in 3 SS’s in the past week which I find very interesting. All are projected un-drafted so the Bills must think highly of them to use precious pre-draft visits.

Jonathan Meeks – Clemson

Cooper Taylor – Richmond

Malcom Bronson – McNese State

And a WR Russell Shepard - LSU

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I appreciate the thought out post, but I can't see them taking a WR in the first round. The need is there, sure, but there's far more pressing needs elsewhere. QB, LB, or possibly OT is where they're going. Personally, I hope they go LB then scoop up Nassib or Barkley in the 2nd.

I really hope they don't reach for Geno Smith unless they are absolutely sure he's the guy for the next 10 years. I would much rather see them draft some elite talent for the defense and either nab a QB in the second or (if they're gone) go with Kolb and target the more elite QB talent coming out in 2014.

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From the Onion -


Kevin Kolb: 'I've Always Dreamed Of Playing For The Bills Since I Was Released By The Cardinals And Had No Other Options'

BUFFALO, NY—After signing a two-year contract with the team, quarterback Kevin Kolb revealed Wednesday that he has always dreamt of playing for the Buffalo Bills from the moment he was cut by the Arizona Cardinals and had absolutely no other alternatives. “Ever since I can remember being a free agent without a shred of interest from any other teams, I’ve always wanted to wear that Bills uniform,” said Kolb, adding that he leapt at the opportunity as soon as he heard the Bills were the sole NFL franchise willing to employ him following his disappointing stint with the Cardinals. “To finally be where I’ve dreamed of playing since back when I was told by my agent that the Bills were my only shot at continuing my NFL career—it is really a dream come true.” Reached for comment, Bills head coach Doug Marrone told reporters he had always hoped to work with Kolb, dating back to the first time he realized the six-year veteran was the only quarterback the team could get.

:lmao:

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Daniel Jeremiah has the Bills taking Tavon Austin in his latest mock. I would be absolutely fine with that and one of Manuel, Nassib, or Barkely in the 2nd.

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From today's media luncheon so far from Buddy Nix:

-Bills open to trading the #8 pick

-Thinks there is at least one QB worthy of the #8 pick

-Team will most likely move Aaron Williams to safety (good move)

Yesterday he said he sees 3 QBs in this draft that can be impact players and 6 or 7 that can win games.

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From today's media luncheon so far from Buddy Nix:-Bills open to trading the #8 pick-Thinks there is at least one QB worthy of the #8 pick-Team will most likely move Aaron Williams to safety (good move)Yesterday he said he sees 3 QBs in this draft that can be impact players and 6 or 7 that can win games.

So Aaron Williams might be the new SS?

Interesting.

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Barkley, Nassib in 2-horse race for 8th pick
WGR 550 Buffalo's Joe Buscaglia believes the Bills' pick at No. 8 overall is a "two-horse race" between Ryan Nassib and Matt Barkley.
Buscaglia is a plugged-in Bills beat writer and reporter. He says Buffalo "likes Barkley a lot," and it sounds like the two quarterbacks are neck-and-neck to go eighth overall. Because of their Nassib ties and his superior skill set to Barkley, we strongly suspect the Bills would prefer Nassib. In an ideal world, Buffalo would trade down in round one and still come away with a new QB.
Source: Joe Buscaglia on Twitter Apr 21 - 6:52 PM

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Report: Bills worried Jets will poach Nassib
ESPN's Sal Paolantonio reported on SportsCenter Wednesday that Jets OC Marty Mornhinweg is "very high" on Syracuse QB Ryan Nassib, and the Bills are worried the Jets will poach him.
As Sal Pal alluded to, the Jets "control the first round" to some extent with the Nos. 9 and 13 selections, either or even both of which could be used as trade bait for a coveted player such as Tavon Austin or if a top-five player surprisingly falls. Both the Jets and Bills have QB needs and are very high on Nassib. "I know one thing for sure in talking to people around the league," Paolantonio reported. "The Buffalo Bills want Ryan Nassib. But they're very concerned the Jets will take him later in the first round. So the Bills may be forced to take him at No. 8."
Apr 24 - 9:14 AM
Not getting a good feeling about this.

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Report: Bills worried Jets will poach Nassib

ESPN's Sal Paolantonio reported on SportsCenter Wednesday that Jets OC Marty Mornhinweg is "very high" on Syracuse QB Ryan Nassib, and the Bills are worried the Jets will poach him.

As Sal Pal alluded to, the Jets "control the first round" to some extent with the Nos. 9 and 13 selections, either or even both of which could be used as trade bait for a coveted player such as Tavon Austin or if a top-five player surprisingly falls. Both the Jets and Bills have QB needs and are very high on Nassib. "I know one thing for sure in talking to people around the league," Paolantonio reported. "The Buffalo Bills want Ryan Nassib. But they're very concerned the Jets will take him later in the first round. So the Bills may be forced to take him at No. 8."

Apr 24 - 9:14 AM

Not getting a good feeling about this.

Maybe I'm just talking myself into what seems inevitable at this point, but the more I've read on Nassib this week, the more I think it'd be foolish not to take him at #8 if the Bills do want him.

The only true knock on him is his deep ball. Look at every review of him and they all talk about very high levels on the mental side of the game. He's excellent at everything from preparation to presnap reads to post-snap reads to toughness in the pocket to mental toughness when the game gets tough. Look at everyone's descriptions of his short to intermediate throws. Every single one talks about how hard and accurate he throws those passes and how he can show tremendous touch and the ability to anticipate receivers being open.

The only criticisms you really see are on his deep ball, arm hitch and sometimes footwork.

The arm hitch I don't see as a big issue. Some guys think it may affect his accuracy, but his accuracy outside of deep throws is quite good. His completion percentage would have been a decent amount higher if his surrounding cast wasn't so poor.

I'm going to tie footwork and deep ball in together because I think that's mostly where his footwork issues come into play. When he throws deep he tends to transfer his weight onto his front foot and actually lift his back foot. That's taking velocity off of his deeper throws and making them less accurate. His arm strength is actually pretty good, not Matt Stafford or Aaron Rodgers level, but certainly on par with the Mannings, Brady and Ryan. You can see that from the velocity on his intermediate passes. If he can correct his footwork issue and keep that back foot planted, he very well could improve that downfield strength and accuracy. If he can do that, he may turn out to be not just a good QB, but an elite one. Just ask Matt Waldman.

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/02/28/boiler-room-syracuse-qb-ryan-nassib/

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I didn't mean it so much as he'd be a horrible pick, I meant it more as in I could see them panicking and taking him at 8 even if they didn't feel like he was worth it because of the buzz. If they feel he is, by all means grab him and own it. For some reason the organization doesn't inspire much confidence.

Reading that Walman article doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies though- he basically has to develop arm strength to even be a starting QB in the NFL. Ideally you'd want the baseline of your #8 pick to be a bit higher than "journeyman who is a better fit as a backup".

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I didn't mean it so much as he'd be a horrible pick, I meant it more as in I could see them panicking and taking him at 8 even if they didn't feel like he was worth it because of the buzz. If they feel he is, by all means grab him and own it. For some reason the organization doesn't inspire much confidence.

Reading that Walman article doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies though- he basically has to develop arm strength to even be a starting QB in the NFL. Ideally you'd want the baseline of your #8 pick to be a bit higher than "journeyman who is a better fit as a backup".

Maybe. I think some small adjustments get him to that point though. And frankly, Brady threw very few passes over 35 yards last year and was horribly inaccurate when he did. And yet his numbers and their offense still did just fine. He's got the arm, he just needs to clean up his footwork.

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I didn't mean it so much as he'd be a horrible pick, I meant it more as in I could see them panicking and taking him at 8 even if they didn't feel like he was worth it because of the buzz. If they feel he is, by all means grab him and own it. For some reason the organization doesn't inspire much confidence.

Reading that Walman article doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies though- he basically has to develop arm strength to even be a starting QB in the NFL. Ideally you'd want the baseline of your #8 pick to be a bit higher than "journeyman who is a better fit as a backup".

Maybe. I think some small adjustments get him to that point though. And frankly, Brady threw very few passes over 35 yards last year and was horribly inaccurate when he did. And yet his numbers and their offense still did just fine. He's got the arm, he just needs to clean up his footwork.

Honestly, I don't have a strong feeling one way or the other about him, just read that from his report.

My reason for posting was because I'm a bit worried that the Bills aren't sold on him, perhaps think he's an early 2nd round talent, but take him at #8 because of smokescreens. I'd much rather they stick to their guns than do something like that. If they love him, take him at #8 and see what happens.

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Bills reportedly eyeing Matt Barkley, not Ryan Nassib

Link:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000162940/article/bills-reportedly-eyeing-matt-barkley-not-ryan-nassib

By Chris Wesseling

Around the League Writer

Opinions on Ryan Nassib's talent and NFL landing spot are all over the map.

Some national analysts view him as the top quarterback in the 2013 NFL Draft while others don't even consider him a first-rounder. Several recent reports suggest Nassib will be in play for the Buffalo Bills at No. 8 overall due to his Syracuse ties and the perceived threat that the New York Jets could swoop in for the first-round steal.

Could the Bills be using Nassib's ties with head coach Doug Marrone as a smokescreen for their legitimate interest in a different quarterback?

SI.com's Peter King is hearing the Bills are "seriously targeting" USC's Matt Barkley.

Although Barkley's arm-strength concerns would be amplified in the inclement Buffalo weather, Marrone is an avowed fan of his game.

After Barkley diced up Syracuse's defense 324 yards and five touchdowns in a 2011 meeting, Marrone intimated that he would have rivaled Robert Griffin III as the second quarterback drafted last April had he not opted to stay in school.

"I was one of a couple people that was hoping he'd go on to the NFL," Marrone said last October according to CBSSports.com. "I'm not going to sit here and tell you that I'm happy he's back."

Marrone went on to rave about Barkley's intangibles, pocket presence, patience and football IQ.

That high praise doesn't necessarily mean Marrone prefers Barkley to Nassib, but it does lend credence to King's report. Don't be surprised if the Bills trade back into the latter part of the first round to nab Barkley.

Follow Chris Wesseling on Twitter @ChrisWesseling.

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At this point there's been so much wild speculation on who the Bills will pick at #8, that I'm just sitting back and waiting for the pick. I'm tired of thinking about it.

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Chris Brown from bills.com was on John Murphy show last night predicting Manuel to Bills. Like Canuck, I've heard so much on the QBs that I would really prefer they trade down, take best available player & then take best available QB (provided it is one of Barkley, Nassib or Manuel) in 2nd.

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Love to see Bills trade down. Would actually love to see them trade down 1 more time & then get the QB.

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Love to see Bills trade down. Would actually love to see them trade down 1 more time & then get the QB.

Yeah, I would have preferred this as well I think.

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Would have thought they could have moved back more for Manuel, but I don't hate it. They clearly had him at #1 on their board. marone has a handle on what Nassib can do, so Manuel must really impress to break that connection.

I'm a little worried that Manuel may be a better fantasy quarterback than NFL quarterback, but it will be fun to watch him and Spiller work together.

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He's going to need at least 1 and possibly 2 seasons of work before he'll be ready though. All this means is that the Bills will be heavily invested in Kolb for the next couple of seasons.

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Hope he's the next Kaepernick

That's the hope. Love his intangibles and measurables. Consistent accuracy and reading NFL defenses are the two areas he needs to improve.

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FWIW, Bills fans should probably take note of who Chris Brown predicts next year. He has nailed the last 3 first rounders even though none of them were all that predictable.

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Great trade to move down and then get EJ. Let's hope the next two picks they get the impact players they need as well. Kudos.

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FWIW, Bills fans should probably take note of who Chris Brown predicts next year. He has nailed the last 3 first rounders even though none of them were all that predictable.

To be fair, the guy does work for the team....he's got inside info that no one else has.

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Seems extremely likely that they could have traded down again, even out of the round completely.

You look at what Dallas picked up for trading back (just a third) so if Manuel was clear-cut their #1, which it appears he is, I'm ok with them not risking someone moving up.

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Don't love the pick, don't hate the pick.

The thing I like most of all about Manuel is that he's a winner. I'm always big on winners, guys who are leaders on winning teams, guys who simply know how to win. The Bills haven't had a "winner" at QB since Flutie - maybe Bledsoe; they've had career college losers (Losman and Edwards) and pro losers (Fitz, Holcomb).

I do think it was a bit early for my liking, but if the Bills are that sold on him...who am I to suppose I know more than a professional scouting staff? FWIW, Geno was my favorite of the QBs. I had Manuel right up there w/Barkley and Nassib on the rest of the QBs. Don't like Glennon at all.

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Seems extremely likely that they could have traded down again, even out of the round completely.

You look at what Dallas picked up for trading back (just a third) so if Manuel was clear-cut their #1, which it appears he is, I'm ok with them not risking someone moving up.

Dallas is getting ripped for that trade. If you look at what Atlanta and Minny gave up, that's a better idea.

Also, you have to try and factor in what other teams think- I don't think Manual was the clear cut #1 QB on anyone else's board. No way to know for sure, but my guess is there's a 99% chance they could have gotten him with any late 1st round pick, and obviously they could have gotten any other QB they wanted with it in the unlikely event he was taken.

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Seems extremely likely that they could have traded down again, even out of the round completely.

That was my initial reaction to the pick, but in fairness to Nix & Co., if Manuel was their #1 rated QB, and he obviously was, it's probably worth it just to go ahead and take him at 16 rather than get overly cute. For the past two months, everybody's been talking about teams at the top of the 2nd round trading back into the late 1st to grab one of the QBs. That ended up not happening of course, but it was a legitimate worry.

The new coaching staff and hopefully soon-to-be-new GM absolutely need to get the QB they want. If they overpaid a little for their #1 guy, that's fine. Reaching for a QB isn't the same thing as reaching for oh I don't know a safety let's say.

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I will say this: if they had taken Manuel at 8 I'd be far more pissed than taking him at 16. At least they traded down once for more picks. Two second rounders in a draft still rich with position players is a nice thing to have.

Though I still would have rather seen then take Jarvis Jones (a fantastic pick by the Steelers) or even Ogletree. They need LB help almost as badly as a QB, IMO. I know a QB is more important to the team, but we all agree a guy as good as Manual could have been had in the second round....or by trading back up into the end of the first.

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FWIW, Bills fans should probably take note of who Chris Brown predicts next year. He has nailed the last 3 first rounders even though none of them were all that predictable.

To be fair, the guy does work for the team....he's got inside info that no one else has.
Absolutely. But how many times is there someone with that strong of ties to an organization out there almost publicly announcing a team's pick every year? And even though he nailed Spiller and Gilmore, how many of us believed him when he said Manuel would be the pick this year?

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When I look at who is left, I think the Bills made the right choice in keeping both their 2nd round picks. I too liked Jarvis Jones, but the Bills could easily end up with one of Justin Hunter/Keenan Allen and one of Kevin Minter/Arthur Brown. Any combo of two of those players would be pretty sweet and likely provide two fairly big upgrades at positions of need.

Oh, and I imagine we're going to start hearing a lot about the "J-Gun" offense: EJ, CJ, TJ, FJ, SJ.

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Seems extremely likely that they could have traded down again, even out of the round completely.

That was my initial reaction to the pick, but in fairness to Nix & Co., if Manuel was their #1 rated QB, and he obviously was, it's probably worth it just to go ahead and take him at 16 rather than get overly cute. For the past two months, everybody's been talking about teams at the top of the 2nd round trading back into the late 1st to grab one of the QBs. That ended up not happening of course, but it was a legitimate worry.

The new coaching staff and hopefully soon-to-be-new GM absolutely need to get the QB they want. If they overpaid a little for their #1 guy, that's fine. Reaching for a QB isn't the same thing as reaching for oh I don't know a safety let's say.

I know, it's just it feels like the Bills still are on their own planet. I can't imagine any other team had Manuel as the #1 QB on their board (I doubt many had him in their top 3), and no other team even took the #1 QB on their board.

They obviously think he's quite a bit better than the rest (or they incorrectly thought there would be a run), but I think they are alone in that belief. I'd have no problems with the pick if they traded down even 5-10 spots and got an extra 3rd or something (they certainly have plenty of needs), but this was a reach that I don't think was necessary at all.

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What do you guys think of them taking Te'o in the second? We need a strong MLB. I'm not sure that's Te'o, but he is a hell of an instinctive player. I watched him all year. Outside the national championship game, he was a beast against the run and decent in pass coverage. :shrug:

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What do you guys think of them taking Te'o in the second? We need a strong MLB. I'm not sure that's Te'o, but he is a hell of an instinctive player. I watched him all year. Outside the national championship game, he was a beast against the run and decent in pass coverage. :shrug:

I'd rather have Minter, but T'eo would be OK as well. Joe Buscaglia has me convinced the Bills are actually happy with their linebackers though. :yuck:I think we'll definitely see a WR. After that it's either TE or CB I think.And I have to say that it's at least nice that someone really truly does want to play for the Bills.

"I actually called my agent as soon as I finished with Hackett and I said, 'Man, I really hope Buffalo takes me because I feel like I can fit into the system perfectly.' " Manuel said.

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Anyone else thinking of renouncing The Bills as your favorite team? I'm tired of the mental gymnastics that I have to do every time they pull something like this and I have to convince myself that "Maybe it's not so bad".

If you really believe in EJ, take him in the 2nd. If you get sniped, take someone else OR take a QB next year. It's not that hard to figure out.

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Anyone else thinking of renouncing The Bills as your favorite team? I'm tired of the mental gymnastics that I have to do every time they pull something like this and I have to convince myself that "Maybe it's not so bad". If you really believe in EJ, take him in the 2nd. If you get sniped, take someone else OR take a QB next year. It's not that hard to figure out.

Not sure I get this. Spiller was a home run even though it was a head scratcher. Gilmore looks like a future stud. Dare us needs some motivation but has been solid and could get there.And I think this post by freeBagel over in the draft thread hits the nail on the head:

Funny thing about similar prospects. They rarely end up becoming similar players.I think this is a big mistake people make when analyzing the draft, and to a similar extent a big mistake that FFers make when doing fantasy drafts. People approach similar prospects as if one guy is just a little worse which means he's going to have 30 less receiving yards per year. That's not how it works. It often means that guy has a higher chance of having 1000 less receiving yards per year.Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf were similar prospects. San Diego would have been chastised for trading a future 1st to trade up one spot to grab Peyton when they could have had a similar player with the next pick. Settling on Leaf instead didn't cost them 1 TD per year, it cost them a decade.People get too caught up in "value". If you have a group of similar prospects and you clearly think one is better then the rest then you go get that guy. The likelihood that those similar prospects will end up becoming similar players is low.

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What do you guys think of them taking Te'o in the second? We need a strong MLB. I'm not sure that's Te'o, but he is a hell of an instinctive player. I watched him all year. Outside the national championship game, he was a beast against the run and decent in pass coverage. :shrug:

I'd rather have Minter, but T'eo would be OK as well. Joe Buscaglia has me convinced the Bills are actually happy with their linebackers though. :yuck:I think we'll definitely see a WR. After that it's either TE or CB I think.

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Anyone else thinking of renouncing The Bills as your favorite team? I'm tired of the mental gymnastics that I have to do every time they pull something like this and I have to convince myself that "Maybe it's not so bad". If you really believe in EJ, take him in the 2nd. If you get sniped, take someone else OR take a QB next year. It's not that hard to figure out.

Not sure I get this. Spiller was a home run even though it was a head scratcher. Gilmore looks like a future stud. Dare us needs some motivation but has been solid and could get there.And I think this post by freeBagel over in the draft thread hits the nail on the head:

>Funny thing about similar prospects. They rarely end up becoming similar players.I think this is a big mistake people make when analyzing the draft, and to a similar extent a big mistake that FFers make when doing fantasy drafts. People approach similar prospects as if one guy is just a little worse which means he's going to have 30 less receiving yards per year. That's not how it works. It often means that guy has a higher chance of having 1000 less receiving yards per year.Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf were similar prospects. San Diego would have been chastised for trading a future 1st to trade up one spot to grab Peyton when they could have had a similar player with the next pick. Settling on Leaf instead didn't cost them 1 TD per year, it cost them a decade.People get too caught up in "value". If you have a group of similar prospects and you clearly think one is better then the rest then you go get that guy. The likelihood that those similar prospects will end up becoming similar players is low.

And I wonder if we get clouded a bit by playing fantasy football. If I miss on Larry Fitzgerald and have to settle for the similar Andre Johnson, I still have a great player with a proven record of NFL production. That's missing from the NFL draft and I think it tends to be overlooked. These guys bust out at an astonishing rate. In 2009, with the 15th pick the Texans took LB Brian Cushing. The Chargers took similar prospect Larry English at 16. The value between those two picks was immense. The draft is littered with examples of that. If the Bills really believed that Manuel was #1 and not in a big group, I have zero problem with them over paying. History shows that even if Manuel/Smith/Glennon/Nassib were all first round picks, at least one would be terrible. It's very possible that settling for the similar prospect Nassib would have left us drafting another quarterback in the first next year.

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Joe Buscaglia has me convinced the Bills are actually happy with their linebackers though. :yuck:

How is that even possible?
They REALLY like Nigel Bradham. And they could be right on that. Kid came along very well last year and could be a very solid player. I don't get the Sheppard love though. He's shown nothing in 2 years. I've also heard rumors of laziness (ugh, him and Dareus both). Still, I guess it's just his third year and maybe this defense is a better fit. I don't see it though.I also don't get the Manny Lawson thing. Seems like a situational guy at best to me but they paid him like a starter. And Mario will be sliding back to OLB when they go to 3-4 looks. So there are your 3 to 4 LBers. I think they need major upgrades over both Sheppard and Lawson, but Buffalo doesn't seem to think it's as urgent. I guess I could see signing Dansby to platoon with Lawson. Dansby for running situations, Lawson on passing situations. That would be an upgrade of sorts. But that spot would be a short term bandaid using two older players that they'd be overpaying IMO.

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ScottNorwood, on 26 Apr 2013 - 09:35, said:If you really believe in EJ, take him in the 2nd. If you get sniped, take someone else OR take a QB next year. It's not that hard to figure out.

if you really believe in him, why risk letting someone else get him?I'm guessing there was nobody at 16 that teams were interested in trading up for. no point in dropping down if nobody is willing to give up anything of value. they already made a smart move in dropping down from 8, imo.let's see what they do in round 2. some really good players available.

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ScottNorwood, on 26 Apr 2013 - 09:35, said:If you really believe in EJ, take him in the 2nd. If you get sniped, take someone else OR take a QB next year. It's not that hard to figure out.

if you really believe in him, why risk letting someone else get him?I'm guessing there was nobody at 16 that teams were interested in trading up for. no point in dropping down if nobody is willing to give up anything of value. they already made a smart move in dropping down from 8, imo.let's see what they do in round 2. some really good players available.
I'm probably the sucker that has hope no matter how many times the Bills have screwed up.But Norwood is definitely the guy that not only sees the glass as half empty, but smashed on the floor. Not sure I've ever seem him post something positive about the Bills.

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Evan Silva's second round mock has Buffalo taking Justin Hunter and Arthur Brown.

Like I said, I think the Bills may be delusional and actually like their LBers, but Hunter and Brown would make me very very happy.

If you told me the Bills would get Manuel, Hunter and Brown before this draft, I would have been plenty happy.

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Evan Silva's second round mock has Buffalo taking Justin Hunter and Arthur Brown.Like I said, I think the Bills may be delusional and actually like their LBers, but Hunter and Brown would make me very very happy.If you told me the Bills would get Manuel, Hunter and Brown before this draft, I would have been plenty happy.

You might not have guessed the order though... ;)

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ScottNorwood, on 26 Apr 2013 - 09:35, said:If you really believe in EJ, take him in the 2nd. If you get sniped, take someone else OR take a QB next year. It's not that hard to figure out.

if you really believe in him, why risk letting someone else get him?I'm guessing there was nobody at 16 that teams were interested in trading up for. no point in dropping down if nobody is willing to give up anything of value. they already made a smart move in dropping down from 8, imo.let's see what they do in round 2. some really good players available.

The "if you really believe in him" argument is valid, but they certainly could have found a trade partner if they wanted one. Atlanta gave up #30, #92, and #198 to move up to #22 (and a 7th in '15). SF gave up #31 and #74 to move up to #18. Etc.

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