The Duff Man
Footballguy
KC giving up 4.7 ypa on the ground. 5th worst.
Good luck with pass rush if Bills run all day (please coach?)
Good luck with pass rush if Bills run all day (please coach?)
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2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (3 Viewers)
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Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
It sure would be nice if he comes out healthy and has a big day.
Going in, my game plan would be to have 90% of the offense be runs, screens and deep shots. Don't even put Tuel in a situation where he needs to make many reads/decisions.
OC Zed
Footballguy
All in all, Tuel played OK today. Obviously the 99-yard pick six was a killer, but most of reads were sound and some of the overthrows I would chalk up to not having timing down with his receivers yet (understandable). He seemed like a serviceable backup QB for this team. (Trying to see the bright side here.)
Was anyone at the stadium today? It seemed like a lot of deep throws hung up in the air too long... was the wind gusting or does he not have the arm strength to get it down field on a consistent basis?
Was anyone at the stadium today? It seemed like a lot of deep throws hung up in the air too long... was the wind gusting or does he not have the arm strength to get it down field on a consistent basis?
Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
So are we a good bad team or a bad good team, I can't tell.
Whatever, just pick 3 or 4 QBs in the draft; it's the only position that matters in this stupid league; Colts are 6-2 with a lousy roster. Im so sick of this crap.
Whatever, just pick 3 or 4 QBs in the draft; it's the only position that matters in this stupid league; Colts are 6-2 with a lousy roster. Im so sick of this crap.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Manuel is cleared and will most likely play this week.
And
that Stevie juked the CB so hard that the guy literally stumbled right into the 100 yard INT return.
http://imgflip.com/i/4l39b
And
that Stevie juked the CB so hard that the guy literally stumbled right into the 100 yard INT return.http://imgflip.com/i/4l39b
smapdi
Footballguy
Ugghhh that makes the play so much worseManuel is cleared and will most likely play this week.
And
http://imgflip.com/i/4l39b
He was so wide open its sad.
Stevie may not be the fastest or have the most clutch hands but damn can he get open off the line. He is one of the best route runners I've ever seen.
chinawildman
Footballguy
I may be in the minority here, but from what I've seen of Manuel, I don't really think he offers that much of an upgrade for Spiller owners. I don't see him check the ball down as often and seems to prefer to chuck the ball deep when he's in trouble (often out of bounds). Plus he doesn't seem to be a threat to run the ball (especially coming off injury) as opposed to thad lewis who actually threatens as a runner on the keeps. Hoping I'm wrong though.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Manuel is cleared and will most likely play this week.
And
http://imgflip.com/i/4l39b
There's your 9-0 Chiefs right there.
I don't rememember Manuel throwing downfield much at all. It took a QB change to Thad for the Bills to start throwing downfield more often.
Manuel didn't throw to Spiller much, but that's partly because Fred Jackson has been in on the team's 3rd down/hurry up packages often.
chinawildman
Footballguy
As a discontent drafter of Spiller, believe you me I've watched my share of Bills games this year. It's not like I don't think Manuel's going to be a good QB, but he seems unable to sell the read option plays as well as Lewis. You're right, he probably doesn't chuck the ball deep as open as Tuel or Lewis (mainly because they don't know the offense as well and it's easy to just chuck it deep) but too often on third downs instead of throwing a high percentage pass to keep the drive alive, Manuel just lobbed it deep hoping to connect on something.
In reality it probably won't matter much if at all. The usage of Spiller as the guy between the 20s to pound it straight up the middle on 1st and 2nd down is the most egregious part of it all. Spiller himself HAS to be wondering why he is sitting on the sidelines during the most important junctures of the game (i.e. almost the entire 4th quarter against KC). He is touted as the "star" of the Bills, but judging by his usage it seems the coaching staff feels otherwise.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
This should be a very winnable game... EJ's back... Hopefully he's sharp and the Bills can get win #4.
I'm thinking a big game for Goodwin and both Spiller and FJax. I'm also looking forward to seeing Ben get roughed up.
I'm thinking a big game for Goodwin and both Spiller and FJax. I'm also looking forward to seeing Ben get roughed up.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Saw reports that it's pretty windy in Pitt. Making me a bit down on Goodwin this week. Bummer as I am stuck playing him in one league.This should be a very winnable game... EJ's back... Hopefully he's sharp and the Bills can get win #4.
I'm thinking a big game for Goodwin and both Spiller and FJax. I'm also looking forward to seeing Ben get roughed up.
smapdi
Footballguy
I think our defensive line can feast today. The Steelers have really struggled and their line isn't exactly an all-pro unit. I have a feeling Mario Williams isn't going to be stuck at 11 sacks for much longer.This should be a very winnable game... EJ's back... Hopefully he's sharp and the Bills can get win #4.
I'm thinking a big game for Goodwin and both Spiller and FJax. I'm also looking forward to seeing Ben get roughed up.
Regarding the offense: I'm really hoping they ease EJ back in. No need to expose him to a lot of hits in the passing game- I wanna see a lot of short passes and screens to FJax/Spiller. Let a healthy CJ Spiller and Fred Jackson go to work on the ground; something like 35-40 carries between the two.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
I hate saying this, but I just don't think EJ is the long term answer we need. Can we afford to pass on a stud qb if there's one available early in the draft next year?
The Duff Man
Footballguy
I agree. All of the negatives said about him in scouting have been proven correct.
The most challenging part will be that he missed so much time in pre-season and regular, they might think they can coach him up.
I would prefer that they consider Kiko their #1 pick from 2013 and with that mindset, EJ is a "free" pick.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I could probably deal with everything else if he wasn't a total wuss bout throwing downfield. Chuck the ball deep Nancy! If you can't throw it within 3 yards of a receiver 5 yard downfield, you may as well launch it deep and hope to get lucky. I know he's a rookie, but with his other issues, if he's not going to throw it deep, he's totally useless.
Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
No we cannot. We should seriously be picking 2 or 3 of them every single year until we find a franchise guy. What difference does picking a good TE or Guard make with no franchise QB for the 18th straight year? Everything is a waste without one.
Roughly 6 too many punts by Marrone. Some analytics department they got there.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
So what are team needs for day 1? We are in "thinking about the draft" mode again.
QB - not looking good
RB - Fred is near the end, but no first day picks here
WR - I would hold.
TE - Chandler drops a lot of passes and cant run block for ####. I dont know why they insisted on running his way so often against Pit on those first two drives, A great TE opens up the entire offense. This would be high on my list.
OL - Need a G, would be OK in 2nd or 3rd if someone great is there
DL - Another DE is good, but other holes may take priority
LB - This group took a HUGE leap forward this year, one more stud could make them elite
CB - Need a 3rd CB
S - Byrd will be gone, not sure about the guys they picked this year.
QB - not looking good
RB - Fred is near the end, but no first day picks here
WR - I would hold.
TE - Chandler drops a lot of passes and cant run block for ####. I dont know why they insisted on running his way so often against Pit on those first two drives, A great TE opens up the entire offense. This would be high on my list.
OL - Need a G, would be OK in 2nd or 3rd if someone great is there
DL - Another DE is good, but other holes may take priority
LB - This group took a HUGE leap forward this year, one more stud could make them elite
CB - Need a 3rd CB
S - Byrd will be gone, not sure about the guys they picked this year.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I agree. Considering his accuracy has been terrible, he has no willingness to throw a pass up, and sprinkle in a bad decision here and there and I'm not too hopeful.
Unless he really turns things around, I hope they go after another QB in the draft.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
What I worry about is that he shows a couple glimpses of hope that the Bills staff can cling to. I want him to shine from here on out or completely bomb and let it be clear we need to go in another direction. Do we really want another Blain Gabbart situation where we keep trying to make it work and suffering the whole time through? We're probably gonna have a chance at a very good QB in this draft. Would be a shame if we pass on a stud and EJ continues to be unspectacular.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Max Power
Footballguy
I've become a closet Bills fan over the years, but I have limited faith that things are going to turn around for this franchise any time soon. Manuel isn't the answer. Marrone isn't the answer. Whaley is still unproven.
Not saying things cant change for the better, I think Alonso and Woods were great picks. I just don't feel like this team has a direction and knows who they are. I envision two more years of Marrone/Manuel before another rebuild is needed.
Not saying things cant change for the better, I think Alonso and Woods were great picks. I just don't feel like this team has a direction and knows who they are. I envision two more years of Marrone/Manuel before another rebuild is needed.
I hated the pick (and took quite a bit of heat in this thread for it), but the problem is we've become spoiled with the early success of QBs like Luck, RGIII, and Wilson. In the past, that hasn't been the normal career path for an NFL QB. Most either sit for a while or struggle early on. Honestly, it's too early to tell how he's going to pan out, although it's certainly a rough start (it isn't just the stats, the eyeball test isn't pretty either).
That being said, this is exactly what I feared- they reached for a QB who wasn't NFL ready in a very weak QB class, he hasn't really improved on any of his glaring weaknesses coming into the league, and now they are going to have another pretty good draft pick in a much more talented crop of QBs. I don't envy their decision, but I really hope they base it on what they see from him, not based on their investment in him (or any other silly thing, like "pride").
The Duff Man
Footballguy
As it sits today, the Bills pick 6th.
They have 3 division games left, and the other three games are all against teams picking before them currently, Atl, Jax, TB.
While I love to think they can pull off a crazy run, the Pit game deflated all remaining optimism. The outcome of those three non division games will go a long way to determining draft order.
IF the Bills arent going to pick a QB, there could be another trade down opportunity as teams like Cle, Oak and Ari all could pick below the Bills and look to move up.
Things Bills fans think about in mid Nov..... :(
They have 3 division games left, and the other three games are all against teams picking before them currently, Atl, Jax, TB.
While I love to think they can pull off a crazy run, the Pit game deflated all remaining optimism. The outcome of those three non division games will go a long way to determining draft order.
IF the Bills arent going to pick a QB, there could be another trade down opportunity as teams like Cle, Oak and Ari all could pick below the Bills and look to move up.
Things Bills fans think about in mid Nov..... :(
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Bills totally screwed by the league on their schedule this year. I swear they always play a ton of teams coming off byes.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/13/bills-unhappy-about-facing-teams-coming-off-extra-rest/related/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/13/bills-unhappy-about-facing-teams-coming-off-extra-rest/related/
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I just saw that article, too. I did wonder about that a week or so ago when I noticed what seemed to be the 3rd or 4th game against a team coming off a bye. 6 games total is kind of garbage.GroveDiesel said:
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I need something explained to me, mostly from a gambling perspective.
How in the hell is this game a Pick 'Em?
The Jets are coming off of a bye. Buffalo will likely be without both starting WRs. Spiller is evidently still banged up, and even if he weren't, you can't run the ball on the Jets. (Spiller had 10 carries for 9 yards in the first meeting, and the Jets have the #1 rushing defense).
The Jets seem to have found their identity on offense, pounding away with Ivory, which keeps the defense even more fresh. I'm having trouble figuring out how the Bills will put many points on the board. Little help?
How in the hell is this game a Pick 'Em?
The Jets are coming off of a bye. Buffalo will likely be without both starting WRs. Spiller is evidently still banged up, and even if he weren't, you can't run the ball on the Jets. (Spiller had 10 carries for 9 yards in the first meeting, and the Jets have the #1 rushing defense).
The Jets seem to have found their identity on offense, pounding away with Ivory, which keeps the defense even more fresh. I'm having trouble figuring out how the Bills will put many points on the board. Little help?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Which makes me terrified to bet this game as large as I want to. Vegas isn't in the habit of giving away money.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
OC Zed
Footballguy
That's a weird line. The only thing I'll say is that the Jets have been really inconsistent this year and not a good road team. This is particularly magnified with Geno Smith. Buffalo's defense has been OK most of the year and I can see a scenario where they create enough turnovers to make this interesting.
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The Duff Man
Footballguy
Bills really should have beaten KC at home, and then got beat by a Steelers team that had been absolutely embarrassed the game before.
Outside of a weak Atl team, NY has not played well on the road and any rookie QB winning on the road in the NFL is a challenge.
EJ Manuel beat both Car and Bal at home earlier....like other rookie QBs there is a big difference in his play at home vrs the road.
Bills WRs are hurt.....but last NYJ game the Bills had three of their starting four in the secondary out, so I call that a wash.
Pickem seems right.
Outside of a weak Atl team, NY has not played well on the road and any rookie QB winning on the road in the NFL is a challenge.
EJ Manuel beat both Car and Bal at home earlier....like other rookie QBs there is a big difference in his play at home vrs the road.
Bills WRs are hurt.....but last NYJ game the Bills had three of their starting four in the secondary out, so I call that a wash.
Pickem seems right.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Has anyone listened to Marrone's weekly radio interviews on WGR? I tend to be in the car every week when he's on, and I have to say....the guy comes off like a <product used to clean women's private parts>. I always come away thinking that he sounds like a total ****.
I know that winning cures all, and I don't really care if they're winning, but man does he come off poorly in these interviews, IMO.
I know that winning cures all, and I don't really care if they're winning, but man does he come off poorly in these interviews, IMO.
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PrinceofDarkness
Footballguy
GregR
Footballguy
Video of the fan who slid down a railing and fell from an upper deck onto a fan in the section below.
Unfortunately the guy he landed on is the one who got the head injury.
Unfortunately the guy he landed on is the one who got the head injury.
BlueDredSo
Footballguy
Well, at least he won't be falling on anyone anymore. Banned from the stadium.
Moving on, I think we all need to relax before jumping off the EJ bandwagon. As said before, hopefully he's awesome the rest of the year and not inconsistent. But...that'll happen with rookie QB's so you can't expect too much here. His accuracy was very good yesterday, and he showed everyone he's very capable of delivering the deep ball. A few of those completions (besides the underthrow to TJ, which he had no time to step into) were absolutely perfect.
I really like the progress Dareus has made this year. Actually, the entire defense has looked impressive. I'm starting to wonder if they should pony up the $ for Byrd.
CJ looks like he's still a little hampered, but the Jets run D is also very good. The best in the league.
Encouraging game to say the least.
OC Zed
Footballguy
I didn't see the game yesterday, so can someone tell me how Manuel looked? I saw the Graham and Goodwin TD passes. Graham's looked like a duck, but Goodwin's was beautiful. Also, Manuel's stat line - 20/28 for 245 yards, 2 TDs and 0 INTs looks nice, but it also screams a lot of dink and dunk, particularly when you factor in the two long TDs.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
He looked really good. Very accurate even in high winds. He threw strikes on quite a few intermediate throws. And while the throw to Graham looked really bad, Manuel got hit a split second after he threw even though he released the balk about 1.5 seconds after the snap. The pressure was on him almost immediately after he got the snap. It was impressive to even get a throw off, let alone one that far downfield. I actually thought he was going to be sacked for sure on the play. He did an excellent job of reading the defense, knowing he was going to get an overload blitz which left single coverage on Graham and getting the ball away quickly downfield. That read itself was more important than the throw IMO.I didn't see the game yesterday, so can someone tell me how Manuel looked? I saw the Graham and Goodwin TD passes. Graham's looked like a duck, but Goodwin's was beautiful. Also, Manuel's stat line - 20/28 for 245 yards, 2 TDs and 0 INTs looks nice, but it also screams a lot of dink and dunk, particularly when you factor in the two long TDs.
flysack
Footballguy
This is why I'm glad I don't have money. Because if I did, I'd quickly have no money.Good call.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The Teams Buffalo has beaten combine to a 20 20 Record
The Teams Buffalo has lost to combine to a 44-26 Record
Record remaining for the rest of Buffalo's opponents 17-32
When I look back at the games against the Pats, Chiefs and Bengals it's really frustrating. Even with all the key injuries this should have been a playoff team. They've played the second most difficult schedule in the league so far and they had every chance to be 7-4 right now.
Hopefully it's a sign that the team is improving and moving in the right direction. Losing Byrd this off season will hurt a lot, but they'll have the draft to address that and the LG spot.
The Teams Buffalo has lost to combine to a 44-26 Record
Record remaining for the rest of Buffalo's opponents 17-32
When I look back at the games against the Pats, Chiefs and Bengals it's really frustrating. Even with all the key injuries this should have been a playoff team. They've played the second most difficult schedule in the league so far and they had every chance to be 7-4 right now.
Hopefully it's a sign that the team is improving and moving in the right direction. Losing Byrd this off season will hurt a lot, but they'll have the draft to address that and the LG spot.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
Agree 100%
As long as they keep moving forward next year, this could be an 11-12 win team and challenge for the division.
Wait....what?
As long as they keep moving forward next year, this could be an 11-12 win team and challenge for the division.
Wait....what?
smapdi
Footballguy
They definitely are heading in the right direction. They pretty much picked the Jets apart yesterday which was unexpected at this point in their development.
EJ is going to have bad games; it's a fact of life for rookie QB's. You just have to hope that those are few and far between down the stretch here. The games he missed due to injury are not doing him in any favors.
With the right additions to this defensive line in the draft, we could have a top 3 unit next season. Kyle Williams was unstoppable. Marcell Dareus is coming into his own and really stepping up. Mario Williams is Mario Williams.
If we can grab another pass rushing specialist in the draft (DE/LB) hybrid, watch out. Someone like Jerry Hughes but a little bigger and more talented. Then grab a beast pass catching TE in the 1st or 2nd and this team could really make some noise
1. Best Pass Rusher
2. Pass catching TE / Best LG
3. Best LG / Pass Catching TE
I think it'll be easier to get a better TE in the 2nd then in the 3rd. There are always plenty of talented guards in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
EJ is going to have bad games; it's a fact of life for rookie QB's. You just have to hope that those are few and far between down the stretch here. The games he missed due to injury are not doing him in any favors.
With the right additions to this defensive line in the draft, we could have a top 3 unit next season. Kyle Williams was unstoppable. Marcell Dareus is coming into his own and really stepping up. Mario Williams is Mario Williams.
If we can grab another pass rushing specialist in the draft (DE/LB) hybrid, watch out. Someone like Jerry Hughes but a little bigger and more talented. Then grab a beast pass catching TE in the 1st or 2nd and this team could really make some noise
1. Best Pass Rusher
2. Pass catching TE / Best LG
3. Best LG / Pass Catching TE
I think it'll be easier to get a better TE in the 2nd then in the 3rd. There are always plenty of talented guards in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
This is a crazy stat:
This is the first time since 1999 that the Bills won the game before their bye week.
So it's been 14 years since fans could enjoy a win for 2 weeks instead of having to stew on a loss. And to make it even better, the win was against the Jets and the Patriots got screwed and lost this week as well.
Good week to be a Bills fan. Not too often that happens.
This is the first time since 1999 that the Bills won the game before their bye week.
So it's been 14 years since fans could enjoy a win for 2 weeks instead of having to stew on a loss. And to make it even better, the win was against the Jets and the Patriots got screwed and lost this week as well.
Good week to be a Bills fan. Not too often that happens.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
They have a family section. I have been to many away stadiums as well and we are much more mild.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
I don't think it's THAT bad. There are plenty of drunks but it's not really a horribly rowdy angry atmosphere like I envision Philly or Oakland being. Note that I've never been to a game in Philly or Oakland though.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
It's only 11 games into the contract, but I'll gladly admit that so far I've been completely wrong on the Leodis McKelvin contract. He's definitely been worth $4M a year.
Between McKelvin finally figuring out how to play the ball and Robey being an excellent nickel CB, the Bills have quickly fixed a glaring weakness from last year.
Between McKelvin finally figuring out how to play the ball and Robey being an excellent nickel CB, the Bills have quickly fixed a glaring weakness from last year.
