Orton came through. Sorry Browns fans.
And also not doing anything stupid like wasting your last TO to ice the kicker. I called that out to my son as we were watching the game, and it was eerie how the Bills actually managed the clock correctly there at the end.Good job taking the time out immediately with 26secs left before the missed FG. I mean it's obvious for Madden players everywhere and anyone with an ounce of sense but something coaches somehow screw up all the time.
Orton was really impressive in the second half. Hit a lot of big throws.From Buffalo News:When was the last season when the Bills pulled out road wins against two quality teams? Granted, we kind of stole this one, but that's what competent NFL teams do from time to time.
Jury is still out on Orton IMO. I approve of the QB switch, but I'm not convinced that we don't also win that game with Manuel. This one came down to our defense and a brilliant catch by Watkins.
And, with the lack of running game, I think this is easily a L with Manuel in there.Orton was really impressive in the second half. Hit a lot of big throws.From Buffalo News:When was the last season when the Bills pulled out road wins against two quality teams? Granted, we kind of stole this one, but that's what competent NFL teams do from time to time.
Jury is still out on Orton IMO. I approve of the QB switch, but I'm not convinced that we don't also win that game with Manuel. This one came down to our defense and a brilliant catch by Watkins.
5. Orton was 30 of 43 for 308 yards. EJ Manuel never has had a 300-yard game and has not cracked 250 yards in his past 12 starts.
6. Orton's best throw was to Marquise Goodwin for 42 yards down the right sideline to set up the Bills' touchdown. Jason Jones was bearing down on Orton in the pocket. The guess here is Manuel would not have hung in the pocket long enough to hit that throw.
Manuel can't make that throw even without pressure. At least not right now.Orton was really impressive in the second half. Hit a lot of big throws.From Buffalo News:When was the last season when the Bills pulled out road wins against two quality teams? Granted, we kind of stole this one, but that's what competent NFL teams do from time to time.
Jury is still out on Orton IMO. I approve of the QB switch, but I'm not convinced that we don't also win that game with Manuel. This one came down to our defense and a brilliant catch by Watkins.
5. Orton was 30 of 43 for 308 yards. EJ Manuel never has had a 300-yard game and has not cracked 250 yards in his past 12 starts.
6. Orton's best throw was to Marquise Goodwin for 42 yards down the right sideline to set up the Bills' touchdown. Jason Jones was bearing down on Orton in the pocket. The guess here is Manuel would not have hung in the pocket long enough to hit that throw.
No way Manuel hits that throw. That was a classic 3 yards out of bounds throw if Manuel was making that throw. There is no way they when that game with Manuel in the game. Benching him was definitely the right call.Manuel can't make that throw even without pressure. At least not right now.Orton was really impressive in the second half. Hit a lot of big throws.From Buffalo News:When was the last season when the Bills pulled out road wins against two quality teams? Granted, we kind of stole this one, but that's what competent NFL teams do from time to time.
Jury is still out on Orton IMO. I approve of the QB switch, but I'm not convinced that we don't also win that game with Manuel. This one came down to our defense and a brilliant catch by Watkins.
5. Orton was 30 of 43 for 308 yards. EJ Manuel never has had a 300-yard game and has not cracked 250 yards in his past 12 starts.
6. Orton's best throw was to Marquise Goodwin for 42 yards down the right sideline to set up the Bills' touchdown. Jason Jones was bearing down on Orton in the pocket. The guess here is Manuel would not have hung in the pocket long enough to hit that throw.
On further reflection, I agree with you guys. I was kind of stuck thinking about Orton's first-half performance and wasn't putting enough weight on the throws he made later on that EJ would have failed on. The pass to Goodwin is a great example as that one had to be exactly on the money. I also didn't realize that Orton put up a 300 yard game today. You can't really ask much more from a guy who you just signed in August.No way Manuel hits that throw. That was a classic 3 yards out of bounds throw if Manuel was making that throw. There is no way they when that game with Manuel in the game. Benching him was definitely the right call.Manuel can't make that throw even without pressure. At least not right now.Orton was really impressive in the second half. Hit a lot of big throws.From Buffalo News:When was the last season when the Bills pulled out road wins against two quality teams? Granted, we kind of stole this one, but that's what competent NFL teams do from time to time.
Jury is still out on Orton IMO. I approve of the QB switch, but I'm not convinced that we don't also win that game with Manuel. This one came down to our defense and a brilliant catch by Watkins.
5. Orton was 30 of 43 for 308 yards. EJ Manuel never has had a 300-yard game and has not cracked 250 yards in his past 12 starts.
6. Orton's best throw was to Marquise Goodwin for 42 yards down the right sideline to set up the Bills' touchdown. Jason Jones was bearing down on Orton in the pocket. The guess here is Manuel would not have hung in the pocket long enough to hit that throw.
With how Orton played today, I think they beat Houston last week. They had the lead up until Manuel threw that 80 yard pick 6 to Watt which totally changed the game
I'm amazed with Orton's performance today. How many times has a QB come off the bench of a brand new team after taking 0 snaps with the offense & lead his team to the victory while throwing for over 300 yards?On further reflection, I agree with you guys. I was kind of stuck thinking about Orton's first-half performance and wasn't putting enough weight on the throws he made later on that EJ would have failed on. The pass to Goodwin is a great example as that one had to be exactly on the money. I also didn't realize that Orton put up a 300 yard game today. You can't really ask much more from a guy who you just signed in August.No way Manuel hits that throw. That was a classic 3 yards out of bounds throw if Manuel was making that throw. There is no way they when that game with Manuel in the game. Benching him was definitely the right call.Manuel can't make that throw even without pressure. At least not right now.Orton was really impressive in the second half. Hit a lot of big throws.From Buffalo News:When was the last season when the Bills pulled out road wins against two quality teams? Granted, we kind of stole this one, but that's what competent NFL teams do from time to time.
Jury is still out on Orton IMO. I approve of the QB switch, but I'm not convinced that we don't also win that game with Manuel. This one came down to our defense and a brilliant catch by Watkins.
5. Orton was 30 of 43 for 308 yards. EJ Manuel never has had a 300-yard game and has not cracked 250 yards in his past 12 starts.
6. Orton's best throw was to Marquise Goodwin for 42 yards down the right sideline to set up the Bills' touchdown. Jason Jones was bearing down on Orton in the pocket. The guess here is Manuel would not have hung in the pocket long enough to hit that throw.
With how Orton played today, I think they beat Houston last week. They had the lead up until Manuel threw that 80 yard pick 6 to Watt which totally changed the game
No, that's how the media works.I always find it funny how national media and other people view the Bills. Rarely ever is a Bills win portrayed as the Bills actually winning the game; rather, it seems to always be about how <insert team> lost the game. "Bears struggle against Bills", "Lions lose lead vs. Bills" (last night's Sportscenter blurb). It's not "Bills defense shuts down Lions"....it's "Lions kicking woes lead to loss" or things like that.
In discussing this game and reading people's thoughts on it (not in this thread, but on this site and others), I almost feel like I watched a different game than most people. I'm not a blind homer by any means, but I saw a lights-out performance by the defense yesterday. I saw a mediocre offensive day against a solid Lions defense, but I also saw the Bills defense shut down an offense full of weapons (although they have been struggling a bit).
Am I crazy here? Because pretty much everything I'm seeing is about what the Lions did to lose the game and nothing about what the Bills did to win it.
It's always going to be that way until we make the playoffs. Even that might not be enough. None of the stories last Monday Night were about the Chiefs - even though despite their record - they have quietly played four very solid games in a row since their Week 1 dud. And they were a playoff team.I always find it funny how national media and other people view the Bills. Rarely ever is a Bills win portrayed as the Bills actually winning the game; rather, it seems to always be about how <insert team> lost the game. "Bears struggle against Bills", "Lions lose lead vs. Bills" (last night's Sportscenter blurb). It's not "Bills defense shuts down Lions"....it's "Lions kicking woes lead to loss" or things like that.
In discussing this game and reading people's thoughts on it (not in this thread, but on this site and others), I almost feel like I watched a different game than most people. I'm not a blind homer by any means, but I saw a lights-out performance by the defense yesterday. I saw a mediocre offensive day against a solid Lions defense, but I also saw the Bills defense shut down an offense full of weapons (although they have been struggling a bit).
Am I crazy here? Because pretty much everything I'm seeing is about what the Lions did to lose the game and nothing about what the Bills did to win it.
I mean you are right the d played lights out and kept us in the game for Orton and Watkins to make plays down the stretch. Calvin being out and Bush being out is my least favorite arguement as Tate stepped up. We can say we were missing Kyle and Nigel and Dareus stepped up. We played well and cashed in our opptunities to win the game. However if the shoe was on the other foot we'd be really upset with our kicker saying we should have won. Like last week with EJ.Yeah I think my point was a little lost. I understand why the media portrays the Bills how they do...I was really asking what you guys thought about the game yesterday. Because I'm usually a pretty pessimistic Bills fan, but I saw a lot of good yesterday. Neither team was at their best and the Bills still won on the road against a pretty good, playoff-caliber 3-1 team despite not being able to run the ball well at all (their bread and butter).
Every team needs to get some lucky bounces to go their way to make the playoffs, of course.
Richardson and Pears just get mauled and it's annoying, granted they played some very good fronts. It will be interesting to see what they do as the season goes on because their isn't any depth. Robey almost cost us and has been terrible all season. It's best for him to just be a blitzing dime corner. Aaron Williams has been somewhat dissapointing as well. It was amazing seeing that chemistry that's building between Hughes and Dareus on that sack.The O-line still blows and the injury toll is mounting, but this is not a bad team. It's a shame that the defense has already had so many injuries because they could be even better.
As for the media narrative, I'm fine with them being the underdog.
So they're definitely not going to go with Fales?Orton came through. Sorry Browns fans.
Maybe the Bears can give him a shot. I heard they really liked him, and he had a good half in the last preseason game.So they're definitely not going to go with Fales?Orton came through. Sorry Browns fans.
Weird. I've felt like Williams has played pretty well. He seems to be around the ball a lot and providing good help most of the time.Richardson and Pears just get mauled and it's annoying, granted they played some very good fronts. It will be interesting to see what they do as the season goes on because their isn't any depth. Robey almost cost us and has been terrible all season. It's best for him to just be a blitzing dime corner. Aaron Williams has been somewhat dissapointing as well. It was amazing seeing that chemistry that's building between Hughes and Dareus on that sack.The O-line still blows and the injury toll is mounting, but this is not a bad team. It's a shame that the defense has already had so many injuries because they could be even better.
As for the media narrative, I'm fine with them being the underdog.
My take on the game was that the Bills weren't quite as bad as the Lions.Yeah I think my point was a little lost. I understand why the media portrays the Bills how they do...I was really asking what you guys thought about the game yesterday. Because I'm usually a pretty pessimistic Bills fan, but I saw a lot of good yesterday. Neither team was at their best and the Bills still won on the road against a pretty good, playoff-caliber 3-1 team despite not being able to run the ball well at all (their bread and butter).
Every team needs to get some lucky bounces to go their way to make the playoffs, of course.
it's awesome for both cities, Detroit and Buffalo. I wonder if that had anything to do with Pegula being willing to overpay here.Steve Tasker said:And I don't know if it's been mentioned, but the majority of the proceeds from the sale will go into the Ralph C. Wilson Jr. Foundation, a foundation that will focus its giving on both Detroit and Buffalo.
I know a lot of you in this thread aren't from here (not counting the guys who've moved away), but trust me, that kind of money can do a lot for this city. If the entire $1.4 billion were to go into the foundation, the foundation would be more than 4x larger than the current-largest Buffalo-based foundation, the Oishei Foundation. Even if only 1/2 of the money in the foundation comes through Buffalo, it still dwarfs all the other foundations in the area.
Sorry I know this isn't football-related but it's still big news, IMO.
thanks Ralph.
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Always knew he had a trick up his sleeve with this sale. Pegula also said today it was in the works longer than most of us realized.Steve Tasker said:And I don't know if it's been mentioned, but the majority of the proceeds from the sale will go into the Ralph C. Wilson Jr. Foundation, a foundation that will focus its giving on both Detroit and Buffalo.
I know a lot of you in this thread aren't from here (not counting the guys who've moved away), but trust me, that kind of money can do a lot for this city. If the entire $1.4 billion were to go into the foundation, the foundation would be more than 4x larger than the current-largest Buffalo-based foundation, the Oishei Foundation. Even if only 1/2 of the money in the foundation comes through Buffalo, it still dwarfs all the other foundations in the area.
Sorry I know this isn't football-related but it's still big news, IMO.
thanks Ralph.
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...including Ron Brooks.Warpig, I hope so but Tom Brady owns us, can't imagine NE going 0-2 in the division, would be crazy though. Everyone was at practice today except Easley
potential playoff teams like the Chargers, Chiefs, Panthers and Patriots are also ranked really low though.32. Buffalo Bills (22nd)
PB: 31st, RB: 31st, PEN: 6th
Stud: Look no further than Cordy Glenn. The most reliable piece of this line, Glenn hasn’t reached the heights of last year but remains a solid pass protector as evidenced by just 10 QB disruptions allowed all year.
Dud: The switch to right guard has not been kind to Erik Pears. Our lowest-ranked guard on the year, he’s been an abomination in the run game while allowing far too much pressure up the gut. There have been signs of progress but not enough to convince.
Summary: Starting an undrafted free agent at right tackle might create a warm fuzzy feeling, but has also created a quick route to quarterbacks with only two tackles allowing more pressure than Seantrel Henderson. Throw in a fifth-rounder at left guard and there’s nothing reliable vets Glenn and Eric Wood can do to salvage this ranking.
This ranking isn't surprising in the least. Frankly, what Fred Jackson has done behind that line is ridiculous.PFF ranks the Bills offensive line dead last in the NFL.
potential playoff teams like the Chargers, Chiefs, Panthers and Patriots are also ranked really low though.32. Buffalo Bills (22nd)
PB: 31st, RB: 31st, PEN: 6th
Stud: Look no further than Cordy Glenn. The most reliable piece of this line, Glenn hasn’t reached the heights of last year but remains a solid pass protector as evidenced by just 10 QB disruptions allowed all year.
Dud: The switch to right guard has not been kind to Erik Pears. Our lowest-ranked guard on the year, he’s been an abomination in the run game while allowing far too much pressure up the gut. There have been signs of progress but not enough to convince.
Summary: Starting an undrafted free agent at right tackle might create a warm fuzzy feeling, but has also created a quick route to quarterbacks with only two tackles allowing more pressure than Seantrel Henderson. Throw in a fifth-rounder at left guard and there’s nothing reliable vets Glenn and Eric Wood can do to salvage this ranking.
The NFL should ban him from all games period.Tip of the cap to the Detroit Lions organization. They found the laser pointer POS and banned him from Ford Field.
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2014/10/9/6950775/lions-find-ban-laser-pointer-offender
We liked to complain about how the team was run in his later years, but Ralph really was a saint for Buffalo. He arranged that stadium contract to bind the team to Buffalo for years and then he donates the team sale proceeds to Buffalo and Detroit charity. Buffalo could use it, and lord knows Detroit could really use it.Steve Tasker said:And I don't know if it's been mentioned, but the majority of the proceeds from the sale will go into the Ralph C. Wilson Jr. Foundation, a foundation that will focus its giving on both Detroit and Buffalo.
I know a lot of you in this thread aren't from here (not counting the guys who've moved away), but trust me, that kind of money can do a lot for this city. If the entire $1.4 billion were to go into the foundation, the foundation would be more than 4x larger than the current-largest Buffalo-based foundation, the Oishei Foundation. Even if only 1/2 of the money in the foundation comes through Buffalo, it still dwarfs all the other foundations in the area.
Sorry I know this isn't football-related but it's still big news, IMO.
thanks Ralph.
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Don't forget how Orton audibled to a run for that 2-point conversion to tie the game. That was all him. Marrone called a pass.When was the last season when the Bills pulled out road wins against two quality teams? Granted, we kind of stole this one, but that's what competent NFL teams do from time to time.
Jury is still out on Orton IMO. I approve of the QB switch, but I'm not convinced that we don't also win that game with Manuel. This one came down to our defense and a brilliant catch by Watkins.