Reich as head coach, Pete Metzelaars as OC?
lots of talking heads think there will be a big demand for Marrone, so he cashed out and can probably land a good jobDisliked:Jets fan here. What were some of the things you guys liked or didn't like about Marrone?
- old-school conservative decision-maker; frequently punts on 4th and short in opposing territory
- no real concept of "analytics"
- kinda comes off like a blowhard #######
- offense (his specialty), namely offensive line (his specialty) failed miserably, including abject failure to utilize CJ Spiller - and to an extent, Sammy Watkins. Offense took a huge step back when he came in and Chan Gailey left.
- openly feuded with upper management and came off like a petulant child at times, IMO (see the Orton signing debacle). I get the sense that he and GM Doug Whaley hate each other.
Liked:
- first winning season in years
- players didn't give up on him especially when the heat was on earlier in the season
- wasn't afraid to pull the trigger to put Orton in and bench EJ when it was clear EJ wasn't progressing quickly enough
- seemed to handle the pressure of head coaching pretty well, kept a level-head in the media when there was talk of him being fired regularly
Reich sounds good, I think a more proven OC would be better to kick start the offense.Reich as head coach, Pete Metzelaars as OC?
Thurman Thomas could be Equipment Manager.Reich as head coach, Pete Metzelaars as OC?
hope Bruce Smith and Andre Reed are free.Thurman Thomas could be Equipment Manager.Reich as head coach, Pete Metzelaars as OC?
Darryl Talley could probably use the money..... too soon?Thurman Thomas could be Equipment Manager.Reich as head coach, Pete Metzelaars as OC?
I find it hard to believe he walks away unless he has something already basically lined up. The Jets seem to make a lot of sense. He's a former Jets coach, he's from the Bronx, they're looking for a head coach. I like to think the Jets are certainly a step-down from where the Bills are right now, but I could see making that move, especially with $4 million extra in his pocket.lots of talking heads think there will be a big demand for Marrone, so he cashed out and can probably land a good jobDisliked:Jets fan here. What were some of the things you guys liked or didn't like about Marrone?
- old-school conservative decision-maker; frequently punts on 4th and short in opposing territory
- no real concept of "analytics"
- kinda comes off like a blowhard #######
- offense (his specialty), namely offensive line (his specialty) failed miserably, including abject failure to utilize CJ Spiller - and to an extent, Sammy Watkins. Offense took a huge step back when he came in and Chan Gailey left.
- openly feuded with upper management and came off like a petulant child at times, IMO (see the Orton signing debacle). I get the sense that he and GM Doug Whaley hate each other.
Liked:
- first winning season in years
- players didn't give up on him especially when the heat was on earlier in the season
- wasn't afraid to pull the trigger to put Orton in and bench EJ when it was clear EJ wasn't progressing quickly enough
- seemed to handle the pressure of head coaching pretty well, kept a level-head in the media when there was talk of him being fired regularly
This isn't meant as a shot at Ralph Wilson personally or anything, but I've always thought that his advanced age and the uncertainty that that brings was a huge part of why we had to settle for guys like Jauron and Chailey and Marrone in the first place. The fact that we had to include a clause like this to attract a relative nobody at the time really drives home how much that uncertainty was holding this team back.Did Buddy Nix and Jim Overdorf and Russ Brandon give him this terrible clause in the contract? Whoever it was, they deserve to take a lot of heat for that.
Fortunately for them, Terry Pegula might not sweat blowing $4MM as much as some would.
I laughed.Thurman Thomas could be Equipment Manager.Reich as head coach, Pete Metzelaars as OC?
I think we'd all like to see what Hackett can do with a Geno Smith-led offense.I find it hard to believe he walks away unless he has something already basically lined up. The Jets seem to make a lot of sense. He's a former Jets coach, he's from the Bronx, they're looking for a head coach. I like to think the Jets are certainly a step-down from where the Bills are right now, but I could see making that move, especially with $4 million extra in his pocket.
it was a decent season that could/should have been better. the main reason for their success was obviously the defense, which I'm not sure he should get much credit for.Lot of hate for a guy who had a decent season. Coaches are fired all the time and he was probably thinking there was a good chance that he's fired once a new President comes in. I have no problem with a coach leaving in his situation.
Lots of people complain about the Buffalo media. They do tend to be very negative, but I'm not sure they were particularly unfair with regard to Marrone. Not sure how Marrone would expect to be treated better in a market like NYC.So why would Doug Marrone do it? Why would he walk away from his head-coaching job with the Buffalo Bills?
Here are a couple of major reasons, gathered during a wild New Year's Eve of making phone calls and texting in the wake of Marrone's decision to exercise his right to opt out of his contract with the Bills.
A big one was the uncertainty over who the Bills would bring in to oversee their football operation, which is something team owners Terry and Kim Pegula plan to do in the near future.
Marrone apparently was happy with the organizational structure that had him reporting directly to ownership. According to NFL sources, he did not like the idea of having another layer separating him from the owners, especially without knowing that person's philosophy. And this apparently applies to the man frequently mentioned for that role, Bill Polian, even though the former Bills general manager thinks highly of Marrone as a coach.
Another factor was Marrone's relationship with the local media. He was said to be upset with what he saw as constant criticism and a general lack of support. He was particularly infuriated by the questions raised about whether he should remain as the Bills' coach after the team recorded one of the biggest victories in franchise history against Green Bay.
People in Chicago think the Bears are hiring Mike Shanahan so they'd probably hold onto Cutler in that scenario.HC - Rex (unless they can scoop the Seattle DC, Dan Quinn)
OC - Trestman
Bringing in Trestman might cancel out bringing in Cutler but ole Jay doesn't seem like he's getting much love anyways.
Crappy line, no TE, average rbs, bad qbs. Basically they had Watkins on offense. There was definitely some problems but nobody was doing anything with that offense. You seem to be taking it personally.it was a decent season that could/should have been better. the main reason for their success was obviously the defense, which I'm not sure he should get much credit for.Lot of hate for a guy who had a decent season. Coaches are fired all the time and he was probably thinking there was a good chance that he's fired once a new President comes in. I have no problem with a coach leaving in his situation.
he was an offensive line expert. don't you hold him responsible if that area is a major weak spot? they had two anchors in Glenn and Wood and went out to sign an OG in free agency and drafted an OT in round 2. not like they didn't give him players to work with, and I assume he had input there as well.Crappy line, no TE, average rbs, bad qbs. Basically they had Watkins on offense. There was definitely some problems but nobody was doing anything with that offense. You seem to be taking it personally.it was a decent season that could/should have been better. the main reason for their success was obviously the defense, which I'm not sure he should get much credit for.Lot of hate for a guy who had a decent season. Coaches are fired all the time and he was probably thinking there was a good chance that he's fired once a new President comes in. I have no problem with a coach leaving in his situation.
The thing is, if he waits a month to get fired, all the coordinator and college jobs will be filled by then. Seems like a smart move to me. When there's changes at the top they always want their own head coach brought in.
If the reports of Bill Polian joining the FO are true, then Frank Reich seems extremely likely to be our next HC. It's not like Polian isn't familiar with him or anything. The Polian-Reich thing makes a lot of sense especially considering that the Polian rumors started at least a week ago. I know Polian apparently thought highly of Marrone, but we know he also likes Reich a lot.What about Josh McDaniel's as the HC? I'm not really a fan but my buddy sent me text suggesting him. I'm not sure if I would like that. I have a bit of a soft spot for Trestman but otherwise I wouldn't mind seeing a college coach brought in to OC. Maybe steal Mark Helfrich from Oregon if possible. Still like Quinn as the HC though. Bring in a winning coach.
A win at Oakland would have put them at 10-6. They had a good season, they had a better season then a team in the playoffs in Carolina.it was a decent season that could/should have been better. the main reason for their success was obviously the defense, which I'm not sure he should get much credit for.Lot of hate for a guy who had a decent season. Coaches are fired all the time and he was probably thinking there was a good chance that he's fired once a new President comes in. I have no problem with a coach leaving in his situation.
Why the hostility? If you dont like Marrone you should sound happier not this bitter. Just because a coach made a business decision? He didnt want to coach the Bills anymore. No different then you leaving your job for a better opportunity.There are rumors (Tim Graham being one reporting it) that one of the reasons Marrone left is because he didn't like the media treatment of him.
I really REALLY want the Jets to hire him.
It's hilarious to me that all his pals in the national media keep defending him and his decision by pointing out the lack of a QB in Buffalo. Uh....pretty sure the Jets are in the same position with a worse all around offense and team.
And if Marrone thinks the Buffalo media is bad...oh man. Does anyone really think that Marrone would be an improvement over Rex Ryan?
Trending Buffalo @TrendingBuffalo · 14h 14 hours agoThis and Orton retiring are addition by subtraction IMO.
Man, I hope this doesn't happen. I like Whaley and he's done some nice work so far.No way Polian wont bring his son, right?Agreed.Bill Polian definitely seems like he's coming aboard at some point. I'd rather keep Whaley as GM instead of Bill bringing in his son though.
I have no particular animosity toward Marrone at all, and honestly it made a lot of financial sense for him to do what he did.Why the hostility? If you dont like Marrone you should sound happier not this bitter. Just because a coach made a business decision? He didnt want to coach the Bills anymore. No different then you leaving your job for a better opportunity.There are rumors (Tim Graham being one reporting it) that one of the reasons Marrone left is because he didn't like the media treatment of him.
I really REALLY want the Jets to hire him.
It's hilarious to me that all his pals in the national media keep defending him and his decision by pointing out the lack of a QB in Buffalo. Uh....pretty sure the Jets are in the same position with a worse all around offense and team.
And if Marrone thinks the Buffalo media is bad...oh man. Does anyone really think that Marrone would be an improvement over Rex Ryan?
There's good ways to do things and bad ways to do things. Marrone treated the media and fans with contempt. He also treated some players quite poorly.Why the hostility? If you dont like Marrone you should sound happier not this bitter. Just because a coach made a business decision? He didnt want to coach the Bills anymore. No different then you leaving your job for a better opportunity.There are rumors (Tim Graham being one reporting it) that one of the reasons Marrone left is because he didn't like the media treatment of him.
I really REALLY want the Jets to hire him.
It's hilarious to me that all his pals in the national media keep defending him and his decision by pointing out the lack of a QB in Buffalo. Uh....pretty sure the Jets are in the same position with a worse all around offense and team.
And if Marrone thinks the Buffalo media is bad...oh man. Does anyone really think that Marrone would be an improvement over Rex Ryan?
This year doesn't look good for acquiring a QB, but it's one year. I can see how that was a problem for Marrone with only one year left on his contract, but it's only a long term issue in that they are starting over from scratch. But that would likely be the case anyway. Even if they had a first round pick this year, would they be able to draft Winston or Mariotta? Would we really want them to?The team has no QB. None on the horizon either. I'd run too before the inevitable firing. What a waste of a really good defense.
WGR is a classic. But no different then any other city, as I work in Chicago and listen to almost the same thing there.
Thurman Thomas could be Equipment Manager.Reich as head coach, Pete Metzelaars as OC?
To be fair to WGR, John Murphy is employed by the Buffalo Bills Radio Network. I don't really fully understand the relationship between WGR and the BBRN, but I believe he's under separate ownership/management than the other WGR personalities. It would make more sense that he "blows sunshine" all day on the Bills, moreso than the other guys.WGR is a classic. But no different then any other city, as I work in Chicago and listen to almost the same thing there.
They have this guy "Murph" who basically blows (sunshine) every player and coach in the organization. Everything is positive. Everyone is great. All sit around and sing kumbaya because I am paid by the Bills.
Then you have some commentators, specifically the drive home guy (Schopp), who do whatever they can to spew negativity. Not just with the Bills but the Sabres as well. Always trying to influence the masses with his views….and only his views count as you know if you are from Buffalo.
But all in all what WGR does is no different than any other city sports radio/talk does.
Good luck finding a Murph in every city Marronne!! Don't let the door hit you in the ### on the way out.
Polian / Bill Cowher combo coming in to town.
To be fair to WGR, John Murphy is employed by the Buffalo Bills Radio Network. I don't really fully understand the relationship between WGR and the BBRN, but I believe he's under separate ownership/management than the other WGR personalities. It would make more sense that he "blows sunshine" all day on the Bills, moreso than the other guys.WGR is a classic. But no different then any other city, as I work in Chicago and listen to almost the same thing there.
They have this guy "Murph" who basically blows (sunshine) every player and coach in the organization. Everything is positive. Everyone is great. All sit around and sing kumbaya because I am paid by the Bills.
Then you have some commentators, specifically the drive home guy (Schopp), who do whatever they can to spew negativity. Not just with the Bills but the Sabres as well. Always trying to influence the masses with his views….and only his views count as you know if you are from Buffalo.
But all in all what WGR does is no different than any other city sports radio/talk does.
Good luck finding a Murph in every city Marronne!! Don't let the door hit you in the ### on the way out.
Polian / Bill Cowher combo coming in to town.
I can barely stand to listen to the John Murphy Show. You'd think the Bills were challenging for the Super Bowl every year from the non-stop rosy picture he paints.
Zero bitterness here. Why are you playing the hypothetical game only with a game they were down by 9pts before a garbage-time TD? What about a glorified preseason game vs NE, or Detroit missing 3 FGs, or a buzzer beater vs Minnesota, or OT in Chicago....A win at Oakland would have put them at 10-6. They had a good season, they had a better season then a team in the playoffs in Carolina.it was a decent season that could/should have been better. the main reason for their success was obviously the defense, which I'm not sure he should get much credit for.Lot of hate for a guy who had a decent season. Coaches are fired all the time and he was probably thinking there was a good chance that he's fired once a new President comes in. I have no problem with a coach leaving in his situation.
I am a moderate supporter of the Bills since the 90s. I dont feel the enjoyment of Marrone leaving like others do but I do understand how some are bitter or upset.
I do agree that if Polian coming in means Whaley is out, that's a bad thing. If it means he'll be in charge of a broader picture while Whaley works with him to hire a HC and Whaley is allowed to make all personnel decisions, then I'm OK.Why on earth are the Bills going to push Whaley out the door after all of the talent he has brought into the organization in the last 3 years? Bill Polian's track record is long and unquestionable, but he's also a very old man, particularly by NFL standards and won't be around for the long-term.
I'm happy that the Bills have a new owner that is committed to keeping them in town, but his track record with the Sabres isn't a lot to envy and I don't really get the return to the 90's nostalgia.
Western New York just seems perpetually stuck 23 years in the past.
The offensive struggles, however, weren’t limited to the quarterback. The team’s offensive line regressed badly in 2014. Marrone, a former journeyman offensive lineman himself, worked as closely with that unit as any on the team at practices.
The Bills rushed for 1,482 yards in 2014 – a franchise low for 16 games. Their paltry average of 3.7 yards per rush was tied for 26th in the NFL.
Running back C.J. Spiller – an explosive playmaker under former coach Chan Gailey – could never get going under Marrone. In the past two seasons, Spiller’s output – 280 attempts, 1,233 yards, 52 receptions, 310 yards and three touchdowns – doesn’t match what he produced in 2012 (207 carries, 1,244 yards, 43 catches, 459 yards, eight total touchdowns).
Those guys have been there since Polian... I think they were even hired by him. I don't think that there ouster would be first on his list of things to do.I do agree that if Polian coming in means Whaley is out, that's a bad thing. If it means he'll be in charge of a broader picture while Whaley works with him to hire a HC and Whaley is allowed to make all personnel decisions, then I'm OK.Why on earth are the Bills going to push Whaley out the door after all of the talent he has brought into the organization in the last 3 years? Bill Polian's track record is long and unquestionable, but he's also a very old man, particularly by NFL standards and won't be around for the long-term.
I'm happy that the Bills have a new owner that is committed to keeping them in town, but his track record with the Sabres isn't a lot to envy and I don't really get the return to the 90's nostalgia.
Western New York just seems perpetually stuck 23 years in the past.
If Polian is being brought in to clear out Overdorf, etc, then that's a very good thing IMO.