OldMilwaukee
IBL Representative
I have been to two practices so far. I believe it's Cassels job to lose. And he will lose it due to his lack of the long ball. Predicting it will be EJ !!!!!!
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2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (5 Viewers)
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jurb26
Footballguy
Not trying to be a smart ###, but is it possible he thought they were running a different route? I mean seriously, missing that badly is the type of stuff that means he should be cut... Like today.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
In passing drills against air, if he doesn't know what route they are running, we have even bigger problems.
Borden
Footballguy
Here's a list of the remaining FA QBs. I would have to think that some (if not all) of them should be brought in for try outs. I don't know how that would work with the cap though.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/quarterback/available/
Is there any undrafted rookie QBs from this year that they can bring in?
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/quarterback/available/
Is there any undrafted rookie QBs from this year that they can bring in?
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Bottom two video's
http://www.wgr550.com/Sammy-puts-on-a-show-for-Monday-Night-crowd-video-/21821373
Sammy double move on Gilmore was pretty nice.
http://www.wgr550.com/Sammy-puts-on-a-show-for-Monday-Night-crowd-video-/21821373
Sammy double move on Gilmore was pretty nice.
Orton and Campbell are there because they retired. Cross them out, and do you really think Lindley or Jordan Palmer would add any clarity in Buffalo?That leaves the only intriguing name on the list as Michael Vick...whether that option is attractive likely depends on how you viewed his "not ready to play, just wanted to hold a clipboard and collect paychecks" attitude from when he last held a job. Would bringing him in as a starter be enough for him to give you everything left in his tank? And what does he have left...
Pretty rare these days when a starter-worthy QB is available for free. Maybe they should be looking to trade for Glennon, Mettenberger, Cousins, or your favorite second stringer elsewhere. Would that be any better than Taylor though...
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I can't believe Kevin Rodgers is sitting sit there unsigned. He was awesome in those discount double-check commercials. We should bring that guy in for sure.
jurb26
Footballguy
Glennon or Mett would be dream come true situation. This got me thinking about how many backups there are out there that are probably better than the entire group in Buf. That list is remarkably long. Ouch!
Quickly off the top of my head;
Schaub
D. Anderson
Weeden
Osweiler
Hence
Sanchez
Mettinberger
Glennon
There's probably a couple more but that's at least 8 guys riding the pine better than anyone Buf can start.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Vick looked like total crap last season and Rex Ryan had a front row seat for his performance.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'd add Ryan Fitzpatrick (although he may be better than his team's starter as well), Matt Moore, Jimmy Garrapolo, Drew Stanton, Kirk Cousins, and whoever loses the battle in Houston to that list - although some may be debateable.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
I looked through the rookie seasons of every current starter.
If you take out a couple guys who sat for years (Rivers and Rodgers) the rest had similar rookie seasons to EJ with the exception of Luck, RG3, Newton, Wilson and Bridgewater.
Most other QBs HAD STATS similar to EJ at this point in their career. Some of them of course were way ahead of him coming into the league (Peyton).
I just think expectations are way too high if we expect him to start better than all but those handful of guys listed above...particularly with the coaching staff he had and the fact he was pulled after that Hou game....that held Flacco to even worse stats behind a better Oline.
Hell, if Stevie Johnson holds on to that ball against NE in the 2013 opener, Manuel starts out beating NE at home and this whole dialogue is different.
I know EJ will not be given a fair shot....I just hope Taylor does not win the job because "Rex likes him"
If you take out a couple guys who sat for years (Rivers and Rodgers) the rest had similar rookie seasons to EJ with the exception of Luck, RG3, Newton, Wilson and Bridgewater.
Most other QBs HAD STATS similar to EJ at this point in their career. Some of them of course were way ahead of him coming into the league (Peyton).
I just think expectations are way too high if we expect him to start better than all but those handful of guys listed above...particularly with the coaching staff he had and the fact he was pulled after that Hou game....that held Flacco to even worse stats behind a better Oline.
Hell, if Stevie Johnson holds on to that ball against NE in the 2013 opener, Manuel starts out beating NE at home and this whole dialogue is different.
I know EJ will not be given a fair shot....I just hope Taylor does not win the job because "Rex likes him"
It's much more than just the stats with EJ. How many of those guys are missing their targets- in practice no less- not by inches, not by feet, but by yards?
You'll also leaving out that he had all of the same shortcomings in college, where most of the current starters did not.
You'll also leaving out that he had all of the same shortcomings in college, where most of the current starters did not.
flysack
Footballguy
Not sure Weeden or Schaub (by now) are necessarily upgrades. And some of these we honestly have no idea if they would be or not (Osweiler, Garrapolo). But it is a frighteningly long list of players with more POTENTIAL to be decent than any of Buffalo's crew.Dr. Octopus said:
Does Favre want to come back again?
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Ideal Situation:
Taylor or EJ play so well that they unseat the front runner (Matt Cassel) and prove to be a competent starting QB
(Likelihood - low)
Serviceable Situation:
Matt Cassel holds on to the job and ends up being equal to or slightly better than the production that we saw with Kyle Orton last year.
(Likelihood - medium)
Worst Case Scenario:
All 3 QBs are pathetic. The season consists of constant shuffling of incompetent boobs at the QB position (including at least one journeyman who isn't on the team yet).
(Likelihood - high)
Taylor or EJ play so well that they unseat the front runner (Matt Cassel) and prove to be a competent starting QB
(Likelihood - low)
Serviceable Situation:
Matt Cassel holds on to the job and ends up being equal to or slightly better than the production that we saw with Kyle Orton last year.
(Likelihood - medium)
Worst Case Scenario:
All 3 QBs are pathetic. The season consists of constant shuffling of incompetent boobs at the QB position (including at least one journeyman who isn't on the team yet).
(Likelihood - high)
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
EJ has already been given a fair shot. He sucks. His biggest weakness is something you can't learn at his age. At this point, you either have accuracy or you don't.The Duff Man said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Yeah, that's the sort of thing that a GM should probably keep to himself, but on the other hand he's absolutely right. For the past decade or so, the Bills have been bad enough to not have to worry about the playoffs, but not bad enough to land a top-end QB in the draft. It's hard to be better than mediocre when you don't have a QB, but mediocre isn't bad enough to get you a QB.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
I really thought Mettenberger looked good at times last year. Has all the tools. Real young too. Wonder how much he would cost? How much would we be willing to give up to get a starting QB? Would Glennon or even Sanchez be cheaper?
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Stephen A just said the Jets will pass us and we will be last in the division (per my twitter feeds)
Haven't watched any today however.
Haven't watched any today however.
This is the downside to them winning one or two meaningless games towards the end of the season- they don't even know how to tank properly.
That being said, while having a top 2 pick obviously makes it easier, it certainly isn't a requirement. Plenty of starting NFL QBs have been drafted much later than that- the Bills problem is that they haven't even tried to find one in the draft outside of the horrendous EJ pick.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Mortimer Ichabod
Footballguy
Tebow is reportedly looking solid in Eagles camp. Offering a late pick for him might not be a bad idea.
billieve15
Footballguy
At this point, I would take Johnny Manziel if the Browns would give him up relatively cheaply. Still feel he has potential as a pro.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
You know you've got a problem when you're looking longingly at Tebow and Manziel.
billieve15
Footballguy
Out of what we've got, I think Taylor is the guy. He may not have taken many snaps in his pro career but at least he is not already a bust.
Added bonus that Rex has experience with him. I'm sure Ryan wants to go through that again...
jurb26
Footballguy
Boy, isn't that the truth!I have no idea if TB or Tenn are willing to move Glennon or Mett, but those are the guys I'd have at the top of my list if I were Buf. I think both can be capable starters. What would it really take to get that done, a 3rd? Hell, Buf is really on the cusp a 2nd shouldn't be an issue.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I think a lot of these QBs being mentioned are simply a case of "grass is greener" syndrome. I mean, the guy who holds the record for most INTs in a game actually got mentioned as a better option. Come on now.
Who are you thinking of? Ty Detmer looks like the most recent player to throw 7 ints in a game, and that was 14 years ago.
Plus, the list includes Ken Stabler, who some folks think should be in the Hall of Fame. Not to mention a guy named Peyton who is only 1 INT off the pace...
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Just traded for Clay in dynasty, god bless my soul.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I don't know what I was thinking. For some reason I thought Derek Anderson held some sort of INT record in a game. Either way, he sucks.
Whaley really did bury his team though. Pretty crappy statements. That's something you can say as a GM after the season is over, not before it had even begun.
And what's with the talk of drafting in the teens by him? Talk about demeaning to the team.
Hagger
Footballguy
This.
I never thought I'd say that I'd love to see Fitzpatrick back, but I would. I also wish the team would look into Kirk Cousins. Washington seems to be meh on him, but he'd be an enormous upgrade for Buffalo. I don't know what kind of a trade would have to happen to get him there or if that's even realistic, though.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Don't look now, but Tyrod Taylor has been the best QB of the bunch 3 days in a row now. And from the sound of it, he's earned it rather than just being the best of a bad bunch. He's been getting a decent number of first team reps in there, so it's not like it's all against a bunch of scrubs.
flysack
Footballguy
This. I think Cousins was solid with the right coaching, but struggled like the rest of Washington without it.Hagger said:
Think the kid could be had for a 3rd rounder? Hell, I wouldn't complain if they sent a 3rd and 5th for him. But knowing this team, they'd get fleeced and send a 1st rounder for him.
On second thought, let's just stick with Tyrod and maybe make a Faustian deal with the devil or something.
VaTerp
Footballguy
I'd been wondering why they hadn't taken a serious look at Vick. Hands are too small for bad weather. Surprisingly makes sense.
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/314246/rex-ryan-we-considered-signing-michael-vick
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/314246/rex-ryan-we-considered-signing-michael-vick
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
This is bullcrap. I'm done. I won't support a team with this many turds on it. There is zero reason to sign this moron.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
This signing is awesome for trolling purposes if nothing else. Maybe a few years from now Rex's act will have worn thin -- I know it did with certain segments of the Jets community -- but for now I'm just happy that our team has a clear identity, even if it's a little bit of a circus. But that's what you expect with Rex.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
I love it
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Welcome to the Rex Ryan show... Although not a Jets fan, living in NY it was enjoyable to follow. Unfortunately his antics won't be followed as closely this year in NYC, but I'll do my best to keep up.
After a 7-9 season this year, expect a Super Bowl guarantee on the cover of your local Buffalo paper next year
After a 7-9 season this year, expect a Super Bowl guarantee on the cover of your local Buffalo paper next year
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Says a lot about your locker room when you bring this dude in the day after. That is gross.
If this 6th round pick who did nothing last year (with Rex) stays out of trouble and miraculously becomes a key part of one of the best defenses in the NFL, then this will be a good move. In the much more likely scenario where he doesn't, it's a dumb move.
This signing is awesome for trolling purposes if nothing else. Maybe a few years from now Rex's act will have worn thin -- I know it did with certain segments of the Jets community -- but for now I'm just happy that our team has a clear identity, even if it's a little bit of a circus. But that's what you expect with Rex.
Rex's act will wear thin much quicker than "a few years" if they don't win early.
Next thing you know the Sabres will be signing Matt Cooke. Hey, we're desperate for playoffs in WNY but this is a joke. Unless dude has talent only known to Rex, is a QB or has a tattoo of Rex's wife this is embarrassing....especially this soon after..as if dude is some kind of prize. Rex still deflecting media from Jets players onto himself....
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I want to still like Rex and hope he does well, but this is a classless act and it's pretty disturbing that a guy like that doesn't even suffer one day for his actions. I kind of hope it backfires now.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
It would prob be the greatest sports story of all time if he breaks Rex Ryan's jaw.
Hard to be more awesome an ending to a story.
flysack
Footballguy
I'm hoping he gets in a fight with Incognito. The headlines will be awesome for weeks.
