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DL Tiers 2013 / Version 3.0 Updated May 1 (1 Viewer)
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Chachi
Footballguy
Definitely
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
It's very unlikely Freeney will project to enough tackle numbers to be relevant, even if he earns more than a situational role somewhere. Unless you're in a deep, sack-heavy scoring system, he's not a viable fantasy option.
He'd have to become a much more consistent pass rush option to have a chance at cracking the top 40, but he'd be worth considering on a Dynasty Watch list. I only listed the players I'd definitely make room for on a roster.
He'd get the full benefit of the two tier jump indicated in ATL, yes.
No, opportunity is his main draw as a stash right now. He's not more than a dynasty stash in deeper leagues until the opportunity is assured and he flashes enough pass rush skill to warrant a top 40 ranking.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
King Osi... I knew it was worth picking him before the waivers locked for the yr; lost Drum to LB change though'Chachi said:
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JoeSteeler
Footballguy
The felonies and misdemeanors associated with Da'Quan Bowers' gun charges were dismissed Thursday.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
What are thoughts on Kiwanuka?
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Has some upside if he's classified as a DE and gets 500+ snaps. Despite his wishes, it's still unlikely that combination happens.
No. He's atop the High Floor DL2 tier.
jacobo_moses
Footballguy
Jene what are your thoughts on Quinton Coples? Couldn't that guy be a beast?
ShadyBrady
Footballguy
like Jene said it depends if you can play him at DL. It also depends on your scoring. A higher scoring for tackles would make Kiwanuka VERY valuable at DL.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
[SIZE=medium]DL2 with Elite Upside[/SIZE]
- [SIZE=1em]Robert Quinn[/SIZE]
- [SIZE=1em]Chandler Jones[/SIZE]
- [SIZE=1em]Osi Umenyiora[/SIZE]
Sounds like [SIZE=1em]Quinton Coples is gonna be moved to OLB, so that shuffles the rankings a bit too:[/SIZE]
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/22964/source-coples-moves-to-olb
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/22964/source-coples-moves-to-olb
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
No quibble with moving Umenyiora (durability concerns) and Quinn (tackle / consistency concerns) up in that particular tier. To move Jones up higher would be to unequivocally consider him a top 10 DL. Is that what you're suggesting here? I'm good with that, just curious on the thought process behind it.
The tier I have them in reflects a fluid DL12 - DL25 tier on my board. I might feel Avril is a better pick than Wimbley or Dunlap depending on recent news or the feel of the current draft.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
I want to believe Osi deserves to be bumped up more...I really do....I just can't do it. He's what now, 32? With the bad hip?
Love Osi, but he sorta scares me.
Love Osi, but he sorta scares me.
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Where Jones was last year when he got hurt. And that was as a rookie.
Now him suffering through 2 ankle injuries probably isnt the best sign
His average points per game through nine games (he was hurt in his 10th game) is telling. And in all of my varying leagues that average would have placed him at around #6 at seasons end.
4.16 after nine games, with only five DL averaging over 4 on the season. Now he may have hit a rookie wall eventually, but I'm more preoccupied on what is in order for this season.
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BuckeyeChaos
Footballguy
I recall Jene being pretty high on Andre Branch and I'm wondering if you think he has a shot at the LEO position in this defense? If so I would think he jumps tiers pretty quickly correct?
Seany.D
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Doubledown1313
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As long as his health holds up he will still be a top 10 DL. He has always finished in the top 5 in my leagues and was the #1 DL before as well.
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Am I seeing things, or is MFL listing Shaun Phillips as a DE? That's gotta be an error, non?
I know I recall Fox saying he'd "backup Sam and DE, and rush from all over the formation"...but assumed he'd still be classified a LB.
I know I recall Fox saying he'd "backup Sam and DE, and rush from all over the formation"...but assumed he'd still be classified a LB.
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matttyl
Footballguy
Great catch! When did that happen? But with that line from Fox, will he be used on over half of the snaps?
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Not sure when it happened. Noticed it this morning when I was engaged in trade talks with the guy who owns him in that league.
Pretty much what I'm curious to find out. Could he get 500+ snaps playing as a "rush only" guy/backing up Von Miller? If he can and remains classified as a DL...there are probably worse things I could do with the last DL in my rotation.
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matttyl
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Who will have the better season, him or Anthony Spencer (also now listed as a DL after being an unrostered LB in my league to end last year).
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I'm guessing JPP's ranking doesn't include his back surgery?
netnalp
Footballguy
saintfool
Dead sexy
He was not healthy last year and in a truly awful defense. I have him because I'm convinced he can bounce back. I don't think he was a good fit as the OLB but has the skills to thrive as an ILB alongside Lofton. Vilma is very much a presence I think
BuckeyeChaos
Footballguy
Tank Carradine seems to have been left off the latest. Oversight or am I missing something?
thanks Jene
thanks Jene
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
With Irvin being moved to LB, Clemons still rehabing the ACL injury; does Bennett get some extra value in the beginning of the yr
Benchwarmers
Footballguy
Ahtayba Rubin Cleveland DE - I wanted to see if he has any value now that he will line up as a DE. Justin Smith in this defense put up some good numbers. I think he could be a steal drafted late since no one thinks he has any value.
EPSN still has him listed as a DT, so that may increase his value some for those who have them in ESPN leagues... right? I'd like to know more about this as well
netnalp
Footballguy
Ed Valentine of Big Blue View
Interestingly, defensive ends Justin Tuck and Mathias Kiwanuka seemed to flip-flop from side to side based on the defensive call. Tuck, a left end his entire career, spent most of his time on the right side of the defense.
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Don't know how this will impact the value of Tuck.
Interestingly, defensive ends Justin Tuck and Mathias Kiwanuka seemed to flip-flop from side to side based on the defensive call. Tuck, a left end his entire career, spent most of his time on the right side of the defense.
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Don't know how this will impact the value of Tuck.
Fantasy Benchwarmer
Footballguy
I like Rubin this year as a late round sleeper. He could surprise if he sticks as a DE. He could move back and forth from DE/DT and that could hurt his value. He is under the radar so far this offseason. There was talk of him being waived but I think he will do fine in the Browns new system. I have read he is losing weight so he can play DE. Fantasy Stud probably not but he could be a player to target for depth at the DE position late in drafts.
netnalp
Footballguy
Ohm Youngmisukþ@NotoriousOHM1m
DL coach Nunn says he can see Damontre Moore contribute as a rookie "early." Says he wants to see what 3rd rd pick can do with pads on.
Ebenezer Samuelþ@ebenezersamuel1m
Coach Nunn says Damontre Moore "off to an outstanding start." Seems to indicate he can contribute this yr
DL coach Nunn says he can see Damontre Moore contribute as a rookie "early." Says he wants to see what 3rd rd pick can do with pads on.
Ebenezer Samuelþ@ebenezersamuel1m
Coach Nunn says Damontre Moore "off to an outstanding start." Seems to indicate he can contribute this yr
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Apologies in advance for the poor form of this "pat yourself on the back" bump...
but halfway through the season and these are my leagues #2, #3 and #5 DL in points per game.
Maggot Brain
Footballguy
Pats on the back allowed in the SP.....FFA? not so sure
I'd agree with you on Jones and Quinn. Osi, OTOH has been a surprise to me. Thought he'd struggle with the move to ATL and produce DL3 type numbers.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Hmmmm...
Now #1, #2 and #5 after 11 weeks.
Now #1, #2 and #5 after 11 weeks.
