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:2cents: no expert by any stretch, but got some time....for discussion purposes only.....submissions in this form are preferred and will be given priority20.03 Mark Sanchez QB35 NYJgroup positions togetherthe draft slot and postion number (QB35) are sometimes the most vital pieces of information :banned:

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6.12 QB20 - M. Schaub. Texans7.05 QB22 - C. Palmer, Raiders19.05 QB34 - B. Weeden, Browns1.05 RB5 - R. Rice, Ravens5.05 RB22 - R. Matthews, Chargers10.12 RB47 - D. Thomas, Dolphins13.05 RB61 - D. Woodhead, Patriots2.12 WR8 - R. White, Falcons3.05 WR11 - J. Nelson, Packers4.12 WR23 - D. Bowe, Chiefs 11.05 WR58 - M. Floyd, Chargers12.12 WR66 - N. Washington, Titans20.12 WR100 - D. Johnson, Eagles8.12 TE16 - H. Miller, Steelers9.05 TE19 - J. Tamme, Broncos18.12 TE35 - C. Clay, Dolphins16.12 K16 - S. Suisham, Steelers17.05 K24 - R. Succop, Chiefs14.12 D19 - Miami15.05 D26 - Tampa BayLet'r rip tater chip!

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4.04 BSS - Tony Romo - QB10 - DAL9.13 BSS - Michael Vick - QB28 - PHI/?5.13 BSS - Ahmad Bradshaw - RB24 - NYG6.04 BSS - Vick Ballard - RB28 - INDY7.13 BSS - Giovanni Bernard - RB33 - ROOK10.04 BSS - Knowshon Moreno - RB44 - DEN 17.13 BSS - Donald Brown - RB66 - INDY18.04 BSS - Chris Ivory - RB68 - NO20.04 BSS - LeGarrette Blount - RB80 - TB2.04 BSS - Julio Jones - WR4 - Atl3.13 BSS - Vincent Jackson - WR15 - TB8.04 BSS - Josh Gordon - WR40 - CLE11.13 BSS - Stephen Hill - WR61 - NYJ 14.04 BSS - Nate Burleson - WR73 - DET19.13 BSS - Joseph Morgan - WR91 - NO1.13 BSS - Rob Gronkowski - TE2 - NE12.04 BSS - Seattle - DEF/ST213.13 BSS -   Pittsburgh Steelers - DEF/ST1415.13 BSS - Adam Vinatieri - PK10 - INDY16.04 BSS - Sebastian Janikowski - PK13 - OAK

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3.07 Matthew Stafford QB8 Det 7.07 Jake Locker QB23 Tenn1.07 CJ Spiller RB7 Buf4.10 Jacquizz Rodgers RB21 Atl5.07 Vick Ballard RB23 Ind10.10 Ben Tate RB46 Hou8.10 Sidney Rice WR47 Sea12.10 Davone Bess WR65 Mia13.07 Nate Burleson WR68 Det 14.10 Joseph Morgan WR73 NO 18.10 Leonard Hankerson WR84 Wash 19.07 TJ Graham WR89 Buf20.10 Steve Breaston WR100 KC 2.10 Jason Witten TE4 Dal 6.10 Owen Daniels TE6 Hou15.07 Matt Prater K4 Den 16.10 Connor Barth K14 TB17.07 Josh Scobee K24 Jck9.07 Denver Broncos DST1 11.07 Seattle Seahawks DST2

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4.03 Russell Wilson QB9 SEA

6.03 Philip Rivers QB17 SD

1.14 Alfred Morris RB10 WAS

8.03 Lamar Miller RB36 MIA

9.14 Fred Jackson RB43 BUF

15.14 Montee Ball RB62 ROOK

20.03 Andre Ellington RB79 ROOK

3.14 Eric Decker WR16 DEN

5.14 James Jones WR34 GB

7.14 Lance Moore WR39 NO

10.03 Michael Floyd WR56 ARI

11.14 Chris Givens WR62 STL

14.03 Reuben Randle WR72 NYG

19.14 Austin Collie WR92 ???

2.03 Jason Witten TE3 DAL

12.03 Tony Moeaki TE28 KC

17.14 Josh Scobee PK26 JAC

18.03 Dan Carpenter PK28 MIA

13.14 San Diego Chargers D/ST15

16.03 Carolina Panthers D/ST28

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Let'r rip tater chip!

:2cents: 6.12 QB20 - M. Schaub. Texans7.05 QB22 - C. Palmer, Raiders19.05 QB34 - B. Weeden, BrownsYou almost took waiting on QB to an extreme and IMO very fortunate to have Schaub still available to you towards the end of round six. He is kind of one of the last of that group right there that leaves you feeling okay about your QB1. I will probably say this a bunch in these since he really fell, but think that Vick would have been a better choice at QB2. When all is said and done, this may work if Palmer is the guy all year. Considering that you are really kind of rolling the dice with Palmer and Weeden for that matter, I would have maybe rolled the dice on a guy like Vick who is more explosive. Let’s say you are good with Schaub/Palmer (I know you took Weeden cause of injury concern) I might have used the Weeden pick on a RB. You are probably losing a little ground to the field at QB.1.05 RB5 - R. Rice, Ravens5.05 RB22 - R. Matthews, Chargers10.12 RB47 - D. Thomas, Dolphins13.05 RB61 - D. Woodhead, PatriotsMathews could prove to be a steal or the death of your team. The gamble all guys that draft him are taking. We have seen him produce like a top 10 back so we know the potential is there. If he has a top 10 year, this becomes a position of strength. There were some decent RB options still available at the time of your 5th round pick, so it must have been a fun few seconds before you hit the “add reply” button on that pick. I agree with your earlier comment about Thomas maybe seeing more carries then people think. In my mind, Woodhead staying in NE is crucial, not sure he will be as effective elsewhere. That mofo finished as like RB26 in this thing last year, drastically outplaying his ADP. That kind of production/role again would really help this group since you only rolled with 4. Could have issues here if Rice lays some eggs.2.12 WR8 - R. White, Falcons3.05 WR11 - J. Nelson, Packers4.12 WR23 - D. Bowe, Chiefs 11.05 WR58 - M. Floyd, Chargers12.12 WR66 - N. Washington, Titans20.12 WR100 - D. Johnson, EaglesStrength. I like this group and I know nothing about Johnson. Washington has been like one of the nice guys to have in a format like this (mid-range guy who helps). Hopefully a healthy Britt, a role increasing Wright, emerging (?) Cook, and Williams don’t make him lose that appeal he has had in these leagues. You should get 3 decent scores here easily as you should considering you invested heavily in this position early in the draft.8.12 TE16 - H. Miller, Steelers9.05 TE19 - J. Tamme, Broncos18.12 TE35 - C. Clay, DolphinsNot a huge fan…if Miller struggles to come back and isn’t ready, this could cost you big time at a 2PPR position. And I ‘ll be honest, injury aside, I think many are drafting Miller based on last year alone as opposed to his body of work overall. Career year fo sho.16.12 K16 - S. Suisham, Steelers17.05 K24 - R. Succop, Chiefs14.12 D19 - Miami15.05 D26 - Tampa BayAverage to below average…whatever that means….who knows.Overall: WR’s may have to carry any tough weeks by Rice, and weeks where you struggle to get TE points. Maybe Tamme bumps up to another level and bails you out if Miller struggles. Your season may actually hinge on Mathews... :unsure: Good luck… :banned:

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9.03 Carson Palmer QB27 Oak16.14 Mark Sanchez QB34 NYJ1.03 Arian Foster RB3 Hou2.14 DeMarco Murray RB15 Dal6.14 Jonathan Stewart RB29 Car8.14 Ryan Williams RB38 Ari3.03 Wes Welker WR12 NE4.14 Justin Blackmon WR24 Jax5.03 Steve Smith WR27 Car10.14 Greg Little WR59 Cle13.03 Ryan Broyles WR69 Det14.14 Cordarelle Patterson WR77 Rook7.03 Owen Daniesl TE9 Hou12.14 Dustin Keller TE29 NYJ20.14 Ed Dickson TE36 Balt15.03 Greg Zeurlein K8 Stl17.03 Carson Wiggs K25 Sea19.03 Dustin Hopkins K28 Rook11.03 Seattle DEF218.14 Indianapolis DEF30

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:2cents: 4.04 BSS - Tony Romo - QB10 - DAL9.13 BSS - Michael Vick - QB28 - PHI/?Anybody that took Vick anywhere around his ADP so far in these things is going to get a gold star from me. IMO I think he is a great QB2 in this format at his current ADP. Really like this combo and if you avoid a bye week issue, you should be fine here, solid to above average production each week without having to invest a ton. Well done.5.13 BSS - Ahmad Bradshaw - RB24 - NYG6.04 BSS - Vick Ballard - RB28 - INDY7.13 BSS - Giovanni Bernard - RB33 - ROOK10.04 BSS - Knowshon Moreno - RB44 - DEN 17.13 BSS - Donald Brown - RB66 - INDY18.04 BSS - Chris Ivory - RB68 - NO20.04 BSS - LeGarrette Blount - RB80 – TBWow…7 RB’s. As a whole I like this group in a format like this. Bradshaw will still see touches and IMO still be a “primary” type guy wherever he lands. Ballard seems to be the lead guy in IND. No clue about Bernard so I don’t know if this really helps or hurts. Latest news is Moreno may be cut, I got a feeling that doesn’t happen (think he restructures and stays) and DEN goes into the season with the same trio of guys, with Moreno possibly doing a weekly dance of active/inactive based on the health/production/fumbling of McGahee. DEN may not really like the ROI they have received on Moreno since they drafted him, but there may also be some value in not “reinventing the wheel” with a new body. DEN may take advantage of him feeling lucky to still have a job and resign him to a lower salary. Kind of a win/win. I love the Ivory pick, I think he can be a beast in the right location, is this the year it happens? You could be ahead of the curve with that pick. Brown could pay off. 7 might be a little overkill here but I can see why it was done as you have questions galore and no slam dunk.2.04 BSS - Julio Jones - WR4 - Atl3.13 BSS - Vincent Jackson - WR15 - TB8.04 BSS - Josh Gordon - WR40 - CLE11.13 BSS - Stephen Hill - WR61 - NYJ 14.04 BSS - Nate Burleson - WR73 - DET19.13 BSS - Joseph Morgan - WR91 – NOLove the Burleson pick. Was sitting on him in WSL2 but waited too long. I think he returns as the #2 (yes I know Broyles is around) and could be a SOD. Think you got some good quality here to offset quantity, but I would be a little concerned on a Jones or Jackson bye week. Not exactly high octane right now in CLE or NYJ. If Morgan gives you the numbers Henderson used to occasionally put up for NOS it would help. I think you get 3 solid scores out of this group. 1.13 BSS - Rob Gronkowski - TE2 – NEBallsy. At a 2PPR position I’m not sold on this.12.04 BSS - Seattle - DEF/ST213.13 BSS - Pittsburgh Steelers - DEF/ST1415.13 BSS - Adam Vinatieri - PK10 - INDY16.04 BSS - Sebastian Janikowski - PK13 – OAKReally like your group of four here.Overall: You really rolled the dice here (Vick, 7 RB’s, 1 TE) parts of it I like others I don’t. In hindsight, with what you were able to get later in the draft at RB, I think a TE in the 10th would have been a good call. If not maybe a TE with a pulse in the 20th. While there are some holes here, I think you may have pieced it together just enough to keep your head above water most weeks. I would hate to see only one TE cost a draft where I think you did an excellent job finding value elsewhere. The RB overkill may have you seeing a few guys on your bench at RB having nearly the same points as your 2 starters at RB that week, while you could have used another body elsewhere and maybe all of their points.Good luck… :banned:

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:2cents: 4.04 BSS - Tony Romo - QB10 - DAL9.13 BSS - Michael Vick - QB28 - PHI/?Anybody that took Vick anywhere around his ADP so far in these things is going to get a gold star from me. IMO I think he is a great QB2 in this format at his current ADP. Really like this combo and if you avoid a bye week issue, you should be fine here, solid to above average production each week without having to invest a ton. Well done.5.13 BSS - Ahmad Bradshaw - RB24 - NYG6.04 BSS - Vick Ballard - RB28 - INDY7.13 BSS - Giovanni Bernard - RB33 - ROOK10.04 BSS - Knowshon Moreno - RB44 - DEN 17.13 BSS - Donald Brown - RB66 - INDY18.04 BSS - Chris Ivory - RB68 - NO20.04 BSS - LeGarrette Blount - RB80 TBWow…7 RBs. As a whole I like this group in a format like this. Bradshaw will still see touches and IMO still be a primary type guy wherever he lands. Ballard seems to be the lead guy in IND. No clue about Bernard so I dont know if this really helps or hurts. Latest news is Moreno may be cut, I got a feeling that doesnt happen (think he restructures and stays) and DEN goes into the season with the same trio of guys, with Moreno possibly doing a weekly dance of active/inactive based on the health/production/fumbling of McGahee. DEN may not really like the ROI they have received on Moreno since they drafted him, but there may also be some value in not reinventing the wheel with a new body. DEN may take advantage of him feeling lucky to still have a job and resign him to a lower salary. Kind of a win/win. I love the Ivory pick, I think he can be a beast in the right location, is this the year it happens? You could be ahead of the curve with that pick. Brown could pay off. 7 might be a little overkill here but I can see why it was done as you have questions galore and no slam dunk.2.04 BSS - Julio Jones - WR4 - Atl3.13 BSS - Vincent Jackson - WR15 - TB8.04 BSS - Josh Gordon - WR40 - CLE11.13 BSS - Stephen Hill - WR61 - NYJ 14.04 BSS - Nate Burleson - WR73 - DET19.13 BSS - Joseph Morgan - WR91 NOLove the Burleson pick. Was sitting on him in WSL2 but waited too long. I think he returns as the #2 (yes I know Broyles is around) and could be a SOD. Think you got some good quality here to offset quantity, but I would be a little concerned on a Jones or Jackson bye week. Not exactly high octane right now in CLE or NYJ. If Morgan gives you the numbers Henderson used to occasionally put up for NOS it would help. I think you get 3 solid scores out of this group. 1.13 BSS - Rob Gronkowski - TE2 NEBallsy. At a 2PPR position Im not sold on this.12.04 BSS - Seattle - DEF/ST213.13 BSS - Pittsburgh Steelers - DEF/ST1415.13 BSS - Adam Vinatieri - PK10 - INDY16.04 BSS - Sebastian Janikowski - PK13 OAKReally like your group of four here.Overall: You really rolled the dice here (Vick, 7 RBs, 1 TE) parts of it I like others I dont. In hindsight, with what you were able to get later in the draft at RB, I think a TE in the 10th would have been a good call. If not maybe a TE with a pulse in the 20th. While there are some holes here, I think you may have pieced it together just enough to keep your head above water most weeks. I would hate to see only one TE cost a draft where I think you did an excellent job finding value elsewhere. The RB overkill may have you seeing a few guys on your bench at RB having nearly the same points as your 2 starters at RB that week, while you could have used another body elsewhere and maybe all of their points.Good luck… :banned:
about what I expected.I dont think an extra TE will provide me much scoring, If Gronk stays healthy he cant keep breaking his arm can he? was going to maybe take tony Scheffler from detroit as he puts up points and never gets drafted in these. But the thought of Blount in STL with Fisher was too tempting to pass upI think cutting Moreno would be a mistake, he looked alot better than Mcgahee IMO and he doesnt fumble like him either. However the NFL is a business and if he costs too much, then he will be cut.I too like the Burleson pick, Broyles tore his ACL, again, and Titus was cut, Burleson has already offered to re-do his deal to save the Lions cap money.

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just in case anybody wants to play get back games....STINKIN REF: 2.03 Aaron Rodgers QB1 GB20.03 Mark Sanchez QB35 NYJ 3.14 Steven Jackson R19B ?5.14 David Wilson RB26 NYG8.03 Willis McGahee RB32 DEN10.03 Andre Brown RB44 NYG13.13 Michael Bush RB63 CHI 1.14 Julio Jones WR3 ATL4.03 Eric Decker WR17 DEN6.03 DeSean Jackson W35R PHI14.03 Darrius Heyward-Bey WR71 OAK15.14 Jacoby Jones WR76 BAL19.14 David Nelson WR94 BUF 7.14 Jermichael Finley TE12 GB9.14 Tony Gonzalez TE2111.14 Dwayne Allen TE27 IND 16.03 Lawrence Tynes PK10 FA17.14 Rian Lindell PK29 BUF 12.03 CHI DST418.03 IND DST29

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:2cents:

4.04 BSS - Tony Romo - QB10 - DAL

9.13 BSS - Michael Vick - QB28 - PHI/?

Anybody that took Vick anywhere around his ADP so far in these things is going to get a gold star from me. IMO I think he is a great QB2 in this format at his current ADP. Really like this combo and if you avoid a bye week issue, you should be fine here, solid to above average production each week without having to invest a ton. Well done.

5.13 BSS - Ahmad Bradshaw - RB24 - NYG

6.04 BSS - Vick Ballard - RB28 - INDY

7.13 BSS - Giovanni Bernard - RB33 - ROOK

10.04 BSS - Knowshon Moreno - RB44 - DEN

17.13 BSS - Donald Brown - RB66 - INDY

18.04 BSS - Chris Ivory - RB68 - NO

20.04 BSS - LeGarrette Blount - RB80 – TB

Wow…7 RB’s. As a whole I like this group in a format like this. Bradshaw will still see touches and IMO still be a “primary” type guy wherever he lands. Ballard seems to be the lead guy in IND. No clue about Bernard so I don’t know if this really helps or hurts. Latest news is Moreno may be cut, I got a feeling that doesn’t happen (think he restructures and stays) and DEN goes into the season with the same trio of guys, with Moreno possibly doing a weekly dance of active/inactive based on the health/production/fumbling of McGahee. DEN may not really like the ROI they have received on Moreno since they drafted him, but there may also be some value in not “reinventing the wheel” with a new body. DEN may take advantage of him feeling lucky to still have a job and resign him to a lower salary. Kind of a win/win. I love the Ivory pick, I think he can be a beast in the right location, is this the year it happens? You could be ahead of the curve with that pick. Brown could pay off. 7 might be a little overkill here but I can see why it was done as you have questions galore and no slam dunk.

2.04 BSS - Julio Jones - WR4 - Atl

3.13 BSS - Vincent Jackson - WR15 - TB

8.04 BSS - Josh Gordon - WR40 - CLE

11.13 BSS - Stephen Hill - WR61 - NYJ

14.04 BSS - Nate Burleson - WR73 - DET

19.13 BSS - Joseph Morgan - WR91 – NO

Love the Burleson pick. Was sitting on him in WSL2 but waited too long. I think he returns as the #2 (yes I know Broyles is around) and could be a SOD. Think you got some good quality here to offset quantity, but I would be a little concerned on a Jones or Jackson bye week. Not exactly high octane right now in CLE or NYJ. If Morgan gives you the numbers Henderson used to occasionally put up for NOS it would help. I think you get 3 solid scores out of this group.

1.13 BSS - Rob Gronkowski - TE2 – NE

Ballsy. At a 2PPR position I’m not sold on this.

12.04 BSS - Seattle - DEF/ST2

13.13 BSS - Pittsburgh Steelers - DEF/ST14

15.13 BSS - Adam Vinatieri - PK10 - INDY

16.04 BSS - Sebastian Janikowski - PK13 – OAK

Really like your group of four here.

Overall: You really rolled the dice here (Vick, 7 RB’s, 1 TE) parts of it I like others I don’t. In hindsight, with what you were able to get later in the draft at RB, I think a TE in the 10th would have been a good call. If not maybe a TE with a pulse in the 20th. While there are some holes here, I think you may have pieced it together just enough to keep your head above water most weeks. I would hate to see only one TE cost a draft where I think you did an excellent job finding value elsewhere. The RB overkill may have you seeing a few guys on your bench at RB having nearly the same points as your 2 starters at RB that week, while you could have used another body elsewhere and maybe all of their points.

Good luck… :banned:

about what I expected.

I dont think an extra TE will provide me much scoring, If Gronk stays healthy he cant keep breaking his arm can he? was going to maybe take tony Scheffler from detroit as he puts up points and never gets drafted in these. But the thought of Blount in STL with Fisher was too tempting to pass up

I think cutting Moreno would be a mistake, he looked alot better than Mcgahee IMO and he doesnt fumble like him either. However the NFL is a business and if he costs too much, then he will be cut.

I too like the Burleson pick, Broyles tore his ACL, again, and Titus was cut, Burleson has already offered to re-do his deal to save the Lions cap money.

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3.10 BassNBrew - Matthew Stafford - QB7 - DET4.07 BassNBrew - Colin Kaepernick - QB11 - SF1.10 BassNBrew - Marshawn Lynch - RB8 - Sea2.07 BassNBrew - Maurice Jones Drew - RB12 - Jax11.10 BassNBrew - Andre Brown - RB54 - NYG17.10 BassNBrew - Mike Tolbert - RB65 - CAR5.10 BassNBrew - DeSean Jackson - WR33 - PHI6.07 BassNBrew - T.Y. Hilton - WR37 - INDY8.07 BassNBrew - Kenny Britt - WR43 - TEN9.10 BassNBrew - Denarius Moore - WR53 - OAK14.07 BassNBrew - Rod Streater - WR75 - OAK16.07 BassNBrew - Jerome Simpson - WR80 - MIN 19.10 BassNBrew - TIMEOUT #1 Robert Meachem - WR94 - SD (Taken After 19.15)20.07 BassNBrew - David Gettis - WR98 - CAR7.10 BassNBrew - Brandon Pettigrew - TE14 - DET10.07 BassNBrew - Fred Davis - TE22 - WASH 12.07 BassNBrew - Chicago - DEF/ST313.10 BassNBrew - St. Louis - DEF/ST12 15.10 BassNBrew - Dan Bailey - PK9 - DAL 18.07 BassNBrew - Rian Lindell - PK29 - BUFHave at it...

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just in case anybody wants to play get back games....STINKIN REF: 2.03 Aaron Rodgers QB1 GB20.03 Mark Sanchez QB35 NYJ 3.14 Steven Jackson R19B ?5.14 David Wilson RB26 NYG8.03 Willis McGahee RB32 DEN10.03 Andre Brown RB44 NYG13.13 Michael Bush RB63 CHI 1.14 Julio Jones WR3 ATL4.03 Eric Decker WR17 DEN6.03 DeSean Jackson W35R PHI14.03 Darrius Heyward-Bey WR71 OAK15.14 Jacoby Jones WR76 BAL19.14 David Nelson WR94 BUF 7.14 Jermichael Finley TE12 GB9.14 Tony Gonzalez TE2111.14 Dwayne Allen TE27 IND 16.03 Lawrence Tynes PK10 FA17.14 Rian Lindell PK29 BUF 12.03 CHI DST418.03 IND DST29

Absolutely love this team. Rodgers is either the best or 2nd best QB behind Brees. Sanchez in the last round was a steal. Everyone of your RBs was value where you took them. No true studs, but plenty of strength in numbers. Jones/Decker/DJax will be wicked. I was comfortable with DJax as a WR1 and considered him in the 4th. This group will win you some immunities. Bey...meh. Jones was a sleeper that I started considering around the 12th round and just pushed off too long. Flacco will want to live up to that contract and Boldin may be gone. Your TEs are just sick. I never bought into Gonzo retiring coming off this type of year and the Falcons being so close. Finley slid to far. Allen will produce scores. You're even solid at D/K. No holes anywhere, plenty of upside. Unless you get crushed by injuries or byes, you're a lock for the final four.

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:2cents: 3.07 Matthew Stafford QB8 Det 7.07 Jake Locker QB23 TennI think Stafford could represent some value in these this year as he may have pissed some people off last year. I like what he may have around him in the passing game. CJ/Burleson/Pettigrew/Scheffler/…Bell and maybe Bush out of the backfield and maybe Broyles can come all the way back. People seem to think that it is CJ and the rest, but I think there are some other really solid fantasy options in DET. Stafford will continue to put up top shelf numbers. Locker is a nice QB2 in this format as he will have those spikes in production every once in a while that will find him in your lineup. Pretty solid here.1.07 CJ Spiller RB7 Buf4.10 Jacquizz Rodgers RB21 Atl5.07 Vick Ballard RB23 Ind10.10 Ben Tate RB46 HouThis might sound kind of brutal and I could totally end up with egg on my face if he hits for you, but I saw your Rodgers pick and was like… :shock: ...seems like you kind of had the same feeling in retrospect but the damage is already done. Don’t have a problem with the pick, obviously just the timing. I mean there were some really solid guys still out there and even a David Wilson pick or something may have made a little more sense. Spiller could be huge and hopefully Ballard solidifies his role for you. Tate could be a monster and have you dominating this position should Foster go down, but even a return to what he did two years ago would help this unit. Little shaky here.8.10 Sidney Rice WR47 Sea12.10 Davone Bess WR65 Mia13.07 Nate Burleson WR68 Det 14.10 Joseph Morgan WR73 NO 18.10 Leonard Hankerson WR84 Wash 19.07 TJ Graham WR89 Buf20.10 Steve Breaston WR100 KC I love seeing the different strategies employed in these things; it makes it kind of fun to watch. This was definitely a new one. Not sure I have ever seen the first WR on a team drafted at the end of round 8. Awesome! Want to say I like your chances of ham and egging it or something, but not sure that happens. I love the Burleson pick, so I can’t destroy here and I had Hankerson typed in for my pick about 3 times between rounds 15-18. He or Donnie Avery would have been my 19th rounder had they made it. You are going to be scraping for scores here. If I looked at this group first I would think you were LOADED at RB, but that’s not the case.2.10 Jason Witten TE4 Dal 6.10 Owen Daniels TE6 HouShould be really solid here. Too bad only one of them will count for you each week and you can’t flex the other guy. Two of your top 6 picks at TE….hmmm. With stud Witten in tow, TE2 should have been off your radar. You commented on making this strength and playing keep away from other owners to try and offset your sinking strategy at WR and elsewhere. Not sure it will pan out as you hope. TE value fell to many owners in these WSL’s.15.07 Matt Prater K4 Den 16.10 Connor Barth K14 TB17.07 Josh Scobee K24 Jck9.07 Denver Broncos DST1 11.07 Seattle Seahawks DST2Solid here. The Scobee pick was unnecessary and should have been used elsewhere.Overall: WisWolvrns stars in “A Lesson Learned” WSL2…an epic story of what could have been and what not to do. You missed out on a James Jones in round 6 by one pick, but could have had Maclin, D. Alexander, Britt, Gordon, Amendola, etc. instead of Daniels and then maybe one of the TE’s that went at or after your pick in round 8 or 9. With Witten on board, who knows if you would have even needed to get another that soon. Heck with Stafford on board you could have maybe punted QB2 for another round or so and snagged a WR there too. I think you would have liked the look better. The Quizz Rodgers pick in round 4 combined with no WR’s until round 8, your second TE in round 6, your back up QB in round 7 with a stud QB1 on already on board, a third kicker, and your premature attempt to start the DST run makes me want to punch you in the throat for taking 20 minutes to type this.and :finger: for taking Burleson... :banned:

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Team Holloway 6.13 Matt Schaub QB Houston QB2111.14 Geno Smith QB Rookie QB30 1.4 Doug Martin RB TB RB49.4 Shane Vereen RB NE RB4116.13 Joseph Randle RB Rookie RB6317.4 Christine Michael RB Rookie RB65 2.13 Roddy White WR ATL WR83.4 Vincent Jackson WR TB WR134.13 Steve Johnson WR BUF WR235.4 Greg Jennings WR GB/FA WR2812.7 Keenan Allen WR Rookie WR66 7.4 Kyle Rudolph TE MIN TE108.13 Jermichael Finley TE GB? TE1510.13 Brent Celek TE PHI TE20 13.4 Green Bay Packers DST1118.13 Tampa Bay Bucs DST2919.4 Jacksonville Jaguars DST3214.13 Justin Tucker PK Baltimore PK515.4 Dan Bailey PK Dallas PK9One pick to go

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5.12 Phillip Rivers SD QB15 6.5 Joe Flacco Balt QB1720.5 Blaine Gabbert Jac QB362.5 Matt Forte Chi RB118.5 Mark Ingram NO RB33 9.12 Beanie Wells Ari RB4117.12 Chris Ivory NO RB6919.12 Mike Gillesse Rook RB751.12 AJ Green Cin WR23.12 Micheal Crabtree SF WR144.5 Marques Colston NO WR1810.5 Greg LIttle Cle WR5318.5 Lavon Bravill Indy WR817.12 Jermaine Gresham Cin TE1111.12 Rob Housler Ari TE2612.5 Zach Miller Sea TE2813.12 Pitt D9 14.5 SL D1515.12 Greg Zeurlein SL Pk516.5 Mason Crosby GB PK11

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4.04 bro1ncos - Russell Wilson, QB11 6.04 bro1ncos - Josh Freeman, QB16 1.13 bro1ncos - Trent Richardson, RB95.13 bro1ncos - Ahmad Bradshaw, RB25 9.13 bro1ncos - Fred Jackson, RB4211.13 bro1ncos - Ronnie Hillman, RB5314.04 bro1ncos - Jonathan Dwyer, RB6420.04 bro1ncos - Darrel Young, RB773.13 bro1ncos - Larry Fitzgerald, WR15 7.13 bro1ncos - Kendall Wright, WR448.04 bro1ncos - Brian Hartline, WR4612.04 bro1ncos - Mohamed Sanu, WR6416.04 bro1ncos - Titus Young, WR7718.04 bro1ncos - Doug Baldwin, WR8019.13 bro1ncos - David Gettis, WR932.04 Bro1ncos - Aaron Hernandez, TE310.04 bro1ncos - Coby Fleener, TE2315.13 bro1ncos - Justin Tucker, K617.13 bro1ncos - Randy Bullock, K2813.13 bro1ncos - Green Bay Packers, DST10

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Team Holloway 6.13 Matt Schaub QB Houston QB2111.14 Geno Smith QB Rookie QB30 1.4 Doug Martin RB TB RB49.4 Shane Vereen RB NE RB4116.13 Joseph Randle RB Rookie RB6317.4 Christine Michael RB Rookie RB65 2.13 Roddy White WR ATL WR83.4 Vincent Jackson WR TB WR134.13 Steve Johnson WR BUF WR235.4 Greg Jennings WR GB/FA WR2812.7 Keenan Allen WR Rookie WR66 7.4 Kyle Rudolph TE MIN TE108.13 Jermichael Finley TE GB? TE1510.13 Brent Celek TE PHI TE20 13.4 Green Bay Packers DST1118.13 Tampa Bay Bucs DST2919.4 Jacksonville Jaguars DST3214.13 Justin Tucker PK Baltimore PK515.4 Dan Bailey PK Dallas PK9One pick to go

I know it's Ref's thread, but my two cents says that your last pick better be a really good one. Might be a good team if this was a start 1/1/2/2/2/2 league.

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Team Holloway 6.13 Matt Schaub QB Houston QB2111.14 Geno Smith QB Rookie QB30 1.4 Doug Martin RB TB RB49.4 Shane Vereen RB NE RB4116.13 Joseph Randle RB Rookie RB6317.4 Christine Michael RB Rookie RB65 2.13 Roddy White WR ATL WR83.4 Vincent Jackson WR TB WR134.13 Steve Johnson WR BUF WR235.4 Greg Jennings WR GB/FA WR2812.7 Keenan Allen WR Rookie WR66 7.4 Kyle Rudolph TE MIN TE108.13 Jermichael Finley TE GB? TE1510.13 Brent Celek TE PHI TE20 13.4 Green Bay Packers DST1118.13 Tampa Bay Bucs DST2919.4 Jacksonville Jaguars DST3214.13 Justin Tucker PK Baltimore PK515.4 Dan Bailey PK Dallas PK9One pick to go

I know it's Ref's thread, but my two cents says that your last pick better be a really good one. Might be a good team if this was a start 1/1/2/2/2/2 league.
my thread in only that I started it.....as far as bringing the smack and evaluations it is a complete free for all.....don't hold back....go get you some....

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Team Holloway 6.13 Matt Schaub QB Houston QB2111.14 Geno Smith QB Rookie QB30 1.4 Doug Martin RB TB RB49.4 Shane Vereen RB NE RB4116.13 Joseph Randle RB Rookie RB6317.4 Christine Michael RB Rookie RB65 2.13 Roddy White WR ATL WR83.4 Vincent Jackson WR TB WR134.13 Steve Johnson WR BUF WR235.4 Greg Jennings WR GB/FA WR2812.7 Keenan Allen WR Rookie WR66 7.4 Kyle Rudolph TE MIN TE108.13 Jermichael Finley TE GB? TE1510.13 Brent Celek TE PHI TE20 13.4 Green Bay Packers DST1118.13 Tampa Bay Bucs DST2919.4 Jacksonville Jaguars DST3214.13 Justin Tucker PK Baltimore PK515.4 Dan Bailey PK Dallas PK9One pick to go

I know it's Ref's thread, but my two cents says that your last pick better be a really good one. Might be a good team if this was a start 1/1/2/2/2/2 league.
my thread in only that I started it.....as far as bringing the smack and evaluations it is a complete free for all.....don't hold back....go get you some....
Alrighty then...QB - Schuab is a below average QB1 and Smith is a total wildcard. Easily a bottom 3 tamdem. Grade F+RB - Martin, a Bellicheck RB in a pass first offense who isn't even the RB1, and two rookies. By the way, did you mean to draft Christine in the Lingerie Winter Survivor League? Even with Martin, a below average group. Will the rooks even contribute? Grade D-WR - You burned a lot of pick capital on guys I don't like. I suspect White will decline, but late 2nd my capture that. VJax has weeks where he disappears. Feels more like a 3/4 turn type of WR. Buffalo WR...meh. Jennings is a wildcard that cold really bum this group. Grade B+ (I bumped this grade up to reflect where you drafted them opposed to my feelings)TE - Well done. I see alot of TDs here. Probably a top three group. Grade A-D - Another position where we score one and you have three. Can't see Jax adding much value to GB and Tampa. Grade AK - Gotta be in the top three at this position, too bad this position doesn't score much. Grade AI just can't get excited about this team.

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4.4 Joe Flacco QB106.4 Andy Dalton QB195.13 BenJarvus Green-Ellis RB247.13 Rashard Mendenhall RB3210.4 Bilal Powell RB4615.13 Felix Jones RB6118.4 Andre Ellington RB6920.04 Roy Helu RB751.13 A. J. Green WR32.4 Andre Johnson WR63.13 Marques Colston WR189.13 Chris Givens WR5317.13 T. J. Graham WR8419.13 Lavon Brazil WR978.4 Brandon Myers TE1113.13 Robert Housler TE3011.13 Denver DST #412.4 Houston DST #714.4 Matt Bryant PK #316.4 Alex Henery PK #19

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2.01 FUBAR - Drew Brees - QB2 - NO

7.16 FUBAR - Christian Ponder - QB25 - MIN

1.16 FUBAR - Matt Forte - RB11 - CHI

5.16 FUBAR - David Wilson - RB26 - NYG

8.01 FUBAR - Mark Ingram - RB34 - NO

14.01 FUBAR - Danny Woodhead - RB61 - NE

18.01 FUBAR - Mike Gillislee - RB67 - ROOK

3.16 FUBAR - Larry Fitzgerald - WR18 - AZ

4.01 FUBAR - Hakeem Nicks - WR19 - NYG

9.16 FUBAR - Greg Little - WR54 - CLE

10.01 FUBAR - Alshon Jeffery - WR55 - CHI

13.16 FUBAR - Jonathan Baldwin - WR71 - KC

17.16 FUBAR - Jacoby Jones - WR85 - BAL

20.01 FUBAR - A.J. Jenkins - WR95 - SF

6.01 FUBAR - Vernon Davis - TE5 - SF

11.16 FUBAR - Jordan Cameron - TE27 - CLE

12.01 FUBAR - San Francisco - DEF/ST1

15.16 FUBAR - Tampa Bay Buccaneers - DEF/ST26

16.01 FUBAR - Shayne Graham - PK12 - HOU

19.16 FUBAR - Nick Folk - PK31 - NYJ

Probably took my QB2 too high and I don't love my TEs or WR3, but overall I think this is a solid team. Josh Gordon instead of Ponder, with Alex Smith instead of Jeffery or Nick Foles in the 20th (how did someone not take him as a shot in the dark?) would have this team looking better IMO.

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2.01 FUBAR - Drew Brees - QB2 - NO

7.16 FUBAR - Christian Ponder - QB25 - MIN

1.16 FUBAR - Matt Forte - RB11 - CHI

5.16 FUBAR - David Wilson - RB26 - NYG

8.01 FUBAR - Mark Ingram - RB34 - NO

14.01 FUBAR - Danny Woodhead - RB61 - NE

18.01 FUBAR - Mike Gillislee - RB67 - ROOK

3.16 FUBAR - Larry Fitzgerald - WR18 - AZ

4.01 FUBAR - Hakeem Nicks - WR19 - NYG

9.16 FUBAR - Greg Little - WR54 - CLE

10.01 FUBAR - Alshon Jeffery - WR55 - CHI

13.16 FUBAR - Jonathan Baldwin - WR71 - KC

17.16 FUBAR - Jacoby Jones - WR85 - BAL

20.01 FUBAR - A.J. Jenkins - WR95 - SF

6.01 FUBAR - Vernon Davis - TE5 - SF

11.16 FUBAR - Jordan Cameron - TE27 - CLE

12.01 FUBAR - San Francisco - DEF/ST1

15.16 FUBAR - Tampa Bay Buccaneers - DEF/ST26

16.01 FUBAR - Shayne Graham - PK12 - HOU

19.16 FUBAR - Nick Folk - PK31 - NYJ

Probably took my QB2 too high and I don't love my TEs or WR3, but overall I think this is a solid team. Josh Gordon instead of Ponder, with Alex Smith instead of Jeffery or Nick Foles in the 20th (how did someone not take him as a shot in the dark?) would have this team looking better IMO.

Agree on most counts. Excluding the bye week, Ponder likely nets you less than 20 pts over the course of the year. Above average at QB, about average at RB. I actually like your WRs to outperform their draft position and you ending up above average here. One of Nicks/Fitz will finish in the top 10. Average at TE and K with above average Ds.

I see your team hanging around until the second half of the year. I wouldn't have you as a favorite to win from there, but it also wouldn't come as a shock to see you in the title game.

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Old Milwaukee WS3 2013

1.6 Aaron Rodgers QB1

4.11 Tony Romo QB12

2.11 Darren McFadden RB13

3.6 Darren Sproles RB16

12.11 Marcel Reece RB54

13.6 Pierre Thomas RB56

15.6 Daniel Thomas RB60

5.6 Mike Wallace WR29

7.6 Kendall Wright WR40

8.11 Sidney Rice WR48

9.6 Malcom Floyd WR50

10.11 Michael Floyd WR57

11.6 Santonio Holmes WR60

14.11 Nate Burleson WR76

6.11 Vernon Davis TE7

17.6 Anthony Fasano TE33

19.6 Zack Ertz TE37

16.11 Washington DST #22

18.11 New Orleans DST #28

20.11 Dave Buehler K #29

Please tell me whatyou don't like!!!

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:2cents: 4.03 Russell Wilson QB9 SEA6.03 Philip Rivers QB17 SDI like this pair a lot. Pulling the trigger on Rivers early in the third probably kind of felt like it sucked when you did it, but it turned out to be a good play. Many of the other high end backups would have been gone by your 7.14 pick and they were. So I feel it was the right play. We toss around the saying “ I think he will bounce back this year” quite a bit sometimes, but I think Rivers is one of those guys. I watched D. Alexander quite a bit down the stretch last year and I think he is a 1-1 matchup nightmare. He can be stopped if double teamed, but it seemed when he did get 1-1, Rivers liked to look his direction and the results were pretty positive. With Brown coming back, Floyd, Royal, and Gates, I think Rivers has some weapons and Ronnie Brown was pretty darn effective out of the backfield. Good work here.1.14 Alfred Morris RB10 WAS8.03 Lamar Miller RB36 MIA9.14 Fred Jackson RB43 BUF15.14 Montee Ball RB62 ROOK20.03 Andre Ellington RB79 ROOKI was wondering where Morris would fit this year in drafts and I think you got him at the right spot. I prefer him to the Forte’s etc. Hype is that Miller gets primary touches type of stuff, we’ll see. Fred should have some type of role. I sometimes wonder if the “Spiller is going to be the man” thing is really going to play out. Don’t get me wrong, he looks like a special player, but Fred Jackson is a pretty good all-around football player and I think BUF likes to play him, kinda like the Saints and Thomas. Have no idea about your two rooks. After Morris, you have some question marks here.3.14 Eric Decker WR16 DEN5.14 James Jones WR34 GB7.14 Lance Moore WR39 NO10.03 Michael Floyd WR56 ARI11.14 Chris Givens WR62 STL14.03 Reuben Randle WR72 NYG19.14 Austin Collie WR92 ???I like this group. Top two guys led the league in rec TD’s and I think Jones represents great value that late with Jennings and Driver gone. I remember talk a few years ago about teams being interested in Jones and trying to get him because some thought he had the skill/potential/look of a #1 type guy. I was actually on board with that a little even back then. He had passed my eye ball test even though he struggled at times to get on the field in GB with the guys in front of him and the things he needed to improve on in his own game. I think his stock will go up as we get closer to the season and there will be no way he falls this far anymore. 33 WR’s taken in front of the guy who led the league in TD’s and he is on a great offense with a great QB, and his competition for targets are leaving. Really? I bet you couldn’t have hit “add reply” fast enough at 5.14. I looked back at the guys that went before him in your draft…wow. Jones actually fell even further in WSL2 and I even chose DeSean Jackson over him in the 6th. Regretting that a little right now. Jones was top 20 in total points and weekly average points last year. Moore should by a nice 3 and you should get 3 scores here. I eye balled Collie a bunch in my draft but honestly the concussions scared me away. I should maybe revisit that cause if he ends up in DEN or something there could be points there and worth the late flyer. 2.03 Jason Witten TE3 DAL12.03 Tony Moeaki TE28 KCCan’t argue with Witten in the second although I think his receptions have to go down a little. Interesting pick of Moeaki. Maybe Reid uses him more. Looked back and that really was about all you had there as TE’s went pretty quick, bunch in round 10 that might have been nice for you.17.14 Josh Scobee PK26 JAC18.03 Dan Carpenter PK28 MIA13.14 San Diego Chargers D/ST1516.03 Carolina Panthers D/ST28Decent here.Overall: Strong at QB/WR/TE but not sure it may be enough to cover your RB’s if they don’t pan out like you hope. If things do go right there, you could be tough. :banned:

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3.01 Cam Newton, QB65.01 Eli Manning, QB131.01 Adrian Peterson, RB12.16 Darren McFadden, RB1511.01 Joique Bell, RB4912.16 Marcel Reece, RB59 4.16 Stevie Johnson, WR276.16 Danario Alexander, WR378.16 Golden Tate, WR4810.16 Michael Floyd, WR5714.16 Rod Streater, WR7418.16 Julian Edelman, WR8519.01 Jeremy Kerley, WR8620.16 DeAndre Hopkins, WR104 7.01 Brandon Pettigrew, TE99.01 Martellus Bennett, TE1716.16 Adam Vinatieri, K1917.01 Kai Forbath, K2013.01 Cincinnati Bengals, DST715.01 Carolina Panthers, DST23

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:2cents: 9.03 Carson Palmer QB27 Oak16.14 Mark Sanchez QB34 NYJdude…1.03 Arian Foster RB3 Hou2.14 DeMarco Murray RB15 Dal6.14 Jonathan Stewart RB29 Car8.14 Ryan Williams RB38 AriFor only having four this ain’t too bad. You are right you could have 4 starters. How things play out in CAR and AZ are some things we will be watching. You could be really strong here.3.03 Wes Welker WR12 NE4.14 Justin Blackmon WR24 Jax5.03 Steve Smith WR27 Car10.14 Greg Little WR59 Cle13.03 Ryan Broyles WR69 Det14.14 Cordarelle Patterson WR77 RookPersonally I think it was way early for Blackmon and that pick should have been Eli. I think your draft hit a major speed bump there. I am cool with your first 3 picks. Even if you do go WR in the 4th, not sure Blackmon should have been it. Looked back and you should punch yourself in the nuts for seeing what was happening to you at QB and not jumping on Vick in the 7th. He is the type of guy that could maybe have saved your bacon. Not a huge fan of this group even though you used 3 or your first 5 picks on them. Welker has to stay in NE to help you, and hopefully Smith gives you a better season then he has lately. I like Little, thought Broyles is risky with his injury, would prefer Burleson.7.03 Owen Daniesl TE9 Hou12.14 Dustin Keller TE29 NYJ20.14 Ed Dickson TE36 BaltPretty solid here, although you maybe should have punted TE position in the 7th and got a QB and then maybe tried to piece something together later at TE. I actually like Keller, especially if he signs somewhere more explosive, but even if he stays, he is serviceable with Sanchez.15.03 Greg Zeurlein K8 Stl17.03 Carson Wiggs K25 Sea19.03 Dustin Hopkins K28 Rook11.03 Seattle DEF218.14 Indianapolis DEF30Third PK seems unnecessary, and you maybe could have thought about just rolling with 1 PK or 1 DST due to your QB situation and possibly have added Gabbert or another QB somewhere in these picks. I don’t even know who those last two PK’s are and maybe I will at some point, but I would have maybe rather been in QBCYA mode and looking around there.Overall: Trying not to let your QB situation dictate this but it’s tough to ignore. Palmer may be released and asked to resign at reduced rate. Who knows about Sanchez (he’s my QB2 right now too). Love your RB’s but not real high on much else. Might not be your best work, probably average at best, but it’s all just on paper right now. Good luck.... :banned:

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2.09 Tom Brady QB3 8.09 Michael Vick QB251.08 Trent Richardson RB6 6.09 Vick Ballard RB2810.09 Daryl Richardson RB49 18.09 Donald Brown RB70 20.09 Chris Ivory RB763.08 Larry Fitzgerald WR15 4.09 Pierre Garçon WR21 5.08 Antonio Brown WR30 7.08 Danny Amendola WR42 13.08 Donnie Avery WR7119.08 Devery Henderson WR939.08 Tony Gonzalez TE1612.09 Zach Miller TE2715.08 Joel Dreessen TE3211.08 Chicago DST317.08 Carolina DST2414.09 Garrett Hartley K416.09 Rob Bironas K22

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WSL 3 - My first time... be gentle!QB1.12 Drew Brees QB115.12 Blaine Gabbert QB33RB4.05 Ryan Matthews RB195.12 Shonn Green RB238.05 Knowshown Moreno RB3510.05 Andre Brown RB4712.05 Danny Woodhead RB52WR2.05 Dez Bryant WR73.12 Michael Crabtree WR177.12 Andre Roberts WR459.12 Josh Morgan WR5216.05 Jordan Shipley WR7919.12 Damian Williams WR96TE6.05 Greg Olsen TE611.12 Lance Kendricks TE2620.05 Luke Stocker TE38PK13.12 Stephen Gostkowski PK217.12 Dan Carpenter PK26DEF14.05 Baltimore Ravens DEF1618.05 Tennessee Titans DEF27Overall, I'm fairly happy. RB + WR3 are biggest holes by my view. I seemed to take almost everyone earlier than they were taken in other drafts - hopefully that's not a bad sign.

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:2cents: 3.10 BassNBrew - Matthew Stafford - QB7 - DET4.07 BassNBrew - Colin Kaepernick - QB11 – SFYou came out firing early and often. This will be strength and should give you considerable separation from the weekly average score on a given week and well above the bottom feeders each week which is what is really the most important. Should you make it deep in the season, this duo should still keep your QB score in the upper tier.1.10 BassNBrew - Marshawn Lynch - RB8 - Sea2.07 BassNBrew - Maurice Jones Drew - RB12 - Jax11.10 BassNBrew - Andre Brown - RB54 - NYG17.10 BassNBrew - Mike Tolbert - RB65 – CARMJD’s return to health is obviously a key here and could make you very strong here as well. I believe the news about Bradshaw probably landed in your lap about the same time it did for me when it came to taking Brown. Unless they bring some other impact RB in via draft/FA, Brown has to be looked at in the upper tier of RB2’s on teams. He will get touches one way or the other. I was targeting Tolbert in WSL2 as a late pick to round out my RB core, but when Bush was still available as late as he was I went that direction. Otherwise, I would have been on Tolbert who I think has increased value in this format. Depth could be an issue with an injury but nice work. 5.10 BassNBrew - DeSean Jackson - WR33 - PHI6.07 BassNBrew - T.Y. Hilton - WR37 - INDY8.07 BassNBrew - Kenny Britt - WR43 - TEN9.10 BassNBrew - Denarius Moore - WR53 - OAK14.07 BassNBrew - Rod Streater - WR75 - OAK16.07 BassNBrew - Jerome Simpson - WR80 - MIN 19.10 BassNBrew - TIMEOUT #1 Robert Meachem - WR94 - SD (Taken After 19.15)20.07 BassNBrew - David Gettis - WR98 - CARI haven’t gotten on board to the love Hilton has been getting. He seems to be going a little early for my liking. I think if Avery does not resign, that is good for Hilton owners, if he does, it could be bad. In my mind, Britt is your #2 and the rest will be giving you WR3 scores. Djax is good at WR33 and I like the way you kind of went the veteran route or at least somewhat proven route with your backups. Locking up a WR score from OAK was a nice move as well. This group won’t dazzle you at first, but will give you survivor type workman like scores. Got some guys who could see their roles being more impactful then they were last year.7.10 BassNBrew - Brandon Pettigrew - TE14 - DET10.07 BassNBrew - Fred Davis - TE22 - WASH To me this is where you buttered your bread on the whole draft. I not actually real excited about the Davis pick, but I really like Pettigrew. The way TE value fell in these WSL’s after the top 4 guys was kinda weird and allowed some guys to load up elsewhere early and still get an impactful 2PPR TE late, which is what you did. Pettigrew is pretty solid in this 2PPR format. The Davis pick could end up going either way depending on how that shakes down. I don’t like Achilles injuries, but he has some talent. Resigning in WAS might be nice since maybe RG won’t be taking off so much and may look to dump off more. 12.07 BassNBrew - Chicago - DEF/ST313.10 BassNBrew - St. Louis - DEF/ST12 15.10 BassNBrew - Dan Bailey - PK9 - DAL 18.07 BassNBrew - Rian Lindell - PK29 – BUFSolid 4 pack here.Overall: One of the better teams I have reviewed so far. Not a ton of holes and I thought you did a nice job after investing so much early in two positions. I think you were able to follow your strength early there by making sound picks after that at other positions. If you can avoid injury at RB, I don’t see you having much trouble “not being last” each week until at least the later part of the season. Hilton and Jackson living up to the spots you drafted them and RB health could be the key to your run. By going WR with your last two picks instead of adding one more RB, you left yourself a little vulnerable there. :banned:

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:2cents: 3.10 BassNBrew - Matthew Stafford - QB7 - DET4.07 BassNBrew - Colin Kaepernick - QB11 – SFYou came out firing early and often. This will be strength and should give you considerable separation from the weekly average score on a given week and well above the bottom feeders each week which is what is really the most important. Should you make it deep in the season, this duo should still keep your QB score in the upper tier.1.10 BassNBrew - Marshawn Lynch - RB8 - Sea2.07 BassNBrew - Maurice Jones Drew - RB12 - Jax11.10 BassNBrew - Andre Brown - RB54 - NYG17.10 BassNBrew - Mike Tolbert - RB65 – CARMJD’s return to health is obviously a key here and could make you very strong here as well. I believe the news about Bradshaw probably landed in your lap about the same time it did for me when it came to taking Brown. Unless they bring some other impact RB in via draft/FA, Brown has to be looked at in the upper tier of RB2’s on teams. He will get touches one way or the other. I was targeting Tolbert in WSL2 as a late pick to round out my RB core, but when Bush was still available as late as he was I went that direction. Otherwise, I would have been on Tolbert who I think has increased value in this format. Depth could be an issue with an injury but nice work. 5.10 BassNBrew - DeSean Jackson - WR33 - PHI6.07 BassNBrew - T.Y. Hilton - WR37 - INDY8.07 BassNBrew - Kenny Britt - WR43 - TEN9.10 BassNBrew - Denarius Moore - WR53 - OAK14.07 BassNBrew - Rod Streater - WR75 - OAK16.07 BassNBrew - Jerome Simpson - WR80 - MIN 19.10 BassNBrew - TIMEOUT #1 Robert Meachem - WR94 - SD (Taken After 19.15)20.07 BassNBrew - David Gettis - WR98 - CARI haven’t gotten on board to the love Hilton has been getting. He seems to be going a little early for my liking. I think if Avery does not resign, that is good for Hilton owners, if he does, it could be bad. In my mind, Britt is your #2 and the rest will be giving you WR3 scores. Djax is good at WR33 and I like the way you kind of went the veteran route or at least somewhat proven route with your backups. Locking up a WR score from OAK was a nice move as well. This group won’t dazzle you at first, but will give you survivor type workman like scores. Got some guys who could see their roles being more impactful then they were last year.7.10 BassNBrew - Brandon Pettigrew - TE14 - DET10.07 BassNBrew - Fred Davis - TE22 - WASH To me this is where you buttered your bread on the whole draft. I not actually real excited about the Davis pick, but I really like Pettigrew. The way TE value fell in these WSL’s after the top 4 guys was kinda weird and allowed some guys to load up elsewhere early and still get an impactful 2PPR TE late, which is what you did. Pettigrew is pretty solid in this 2PPR format. The Davis pick could end up going either way depending on how that shakes down. I don’t like Achilles injuries, but he has some talent. Resigning in WAS might be nice since maybe RG won’t be taking off so much and may look to dump off more. 12.07 BassNBrew - Chicago - DEF/ST313.10 BassNBrew - St. Louis - DEF/ST12 15.10 BassNBrew - Dan Bailey - PK9 - DAL 18.07 BassNBrew - Rian Lindell - PK29 – BUFSolid 4 pack here.Overall: One of the better teams I have reviewed so far. Not a ton of holes and I thought you did a nice job after investing so much early in two positions. I think you were able to follow your strength early there by making sound picks after that at other positions. If you can avoid injury at RB, I don’t see you having much trouble “not being last” each week until at least the later part of the season. Hilton and Jackson living up to the spots you drafted them and RB health could be the key to your run. By going WR with your last two picks instead of adding one more RB, you left yourself a little vulnerable there. :banned:
Thanks for the review.Regarding your last sentence, I take an approach to these 20 man drafts that might be different. I view these as an 18 round draft and then use the last two rounds to shore up my weak areas. If this was 18 rounds I would have felt very comfortable at RB and weak at WR. Accordingly I added Meachem and Gettis. I may be missing the boat here and should be giving consideration to adding depth to RB which historically has a higher injury rate.I could pass on Meachem. He's locked into SD due to his contract and hopefully last year's disaster was somewhat related to the coaching staff. He should at least get a second opportunity. Gettis was probably a mistake and showing my bias of dislike for Lafell.

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:2cents: 3.10 BassNBrew - Matthew Stafford - QB7 - DET4.07 BassNBrew - Colin Kaepernick - QB11 – SFYou came out firing early and often. This will be strength and should give you considerable separation from the weekly average score on a given week and well above the bottom feeders each week which is what is really the most important. Should you make it deep in the season, this duo should still keep your QB score in the upper tier.1.10 BassNBrew - Marshawn Lynch - RB8 - Sea2.07 BassNBrew - Maurice Jones Drew - RB12 - Jax11.10 BassNBrew - Andre Brown - RB54 - NYG17.10 BassNBrew - Mike Tolbert - RB65 – CARMJD’s return to health is obviously a key here and could make you very strong here as well. I believe the news about Bradshaw probably landed in your lap about the same time it did for me when it came to taking Brown. Unless they bring some other impact RB in via draft/FA, Brown has to be looked at in the upper tier of RB2’s on teams. He will get touches one way or the other. I was targeting Tolbert in WSL2 as a late pick to round out my RB core, but when Bush was still available as late as he was I went that direction. Otherwise, I would have been on Tolbert who I think has increased value in this format. Depth could be an issue with an injury but nice work. 5.10 BassNBrew - DeSean Jackson - WR33 - PHI6.07 BassNBrew - T.Y. Hilton - WR37 - INDY8.07 BassNBrew - Kenny Britt - WR43 - TEN9.10 BassNBrew - Denarius Moore - WR53 - OAK14.07 BassNBrew - Rod Streater - WR75 - OAK16.07 BassNBrew - Jerome Simpson - WR80 - MIN 19.10 BassNBrew - TIMEOUT #1 Robert Meachem - WR94 - SD (Taken After 19.15)20.07 BassNBrew - David Gettis - WR98 - CARI haven’t gotten on board to the love Hilton has been getting. He seems to be going a little early for my liking. I think if Avery does not resign, that is good for Hilton owners, if he does, it could be bad. In my mind, Britt is your #2 and the rest will be giving you WR3 scores. Djax is good at WR33 and I like the way you kind of went the veteran route or at least somewhat proven route with your backups. Locking up a WR score from OAK was a nice move as well. This group won’t dazzle you at first, but will give you survivor type workman like scores. Got some guys who could see their roles being more impactful then they were last year.7.10 BassNBrew - Brandon Pettigrew - TE14 - DET10.07 BassNBrew - Fred Davis - TE22 - WASH To me this is where you buttered your bread on the whole draft. I not actually real excited about the Davis pick, but I really like Pettigrew. The way TE value fell in these WSL’s after the top 4 guys was kinda weird and allowed some guys to load up elsewhere early and still get an impactful 2PPR TE late, which is what you did. Pettigrew is pretty solid in this 2PPR format. The Davis pick could end up going either way depending on how that shakes down. I don’t like Achilles injuries, but he has some talent. Resigning in WAS might be nice since maybe RG won’t be taking off so much and may look to dump off more. 12.07 BassNBrew - Chicago - DEF/ST313.10 BassNBrew - St. Louis - DEF/ST12 15.10 BassNBrew - Dan Bailey - PK9 - DAL 18.07 BassNBrew - Rian Lindell - PK29 – BUFSolid 4 pack here.Overall: One of the better teams I have reviewed so far. Not a ton of holes and I thought you did a nice job after investing so much early in two positions. I think you were able to follow your strength early there by making sound picks after that at other positions. If you can avoid injury at RB, I don’t see you having much trouble “not being last” each week until at least the later part of the season. Hilton and Jackson living up to the spots you drafted them and RB health could be the key to your run. By going WR with your last two picks instead of adding one more RB, you left yourself a little vulnerable there. :banned:
Thanks for the review.Regarding your last sentence, I take an approach to these 20 man drafts that might be different. I view these as an 18 round draft and then use the last two rounds to shore up my weak areas. If this was 18 rounds I would have felt very comfortable at RB and weak at WR. Accordingly I added Meachem and Gettis. I may be missing the boat here and should be giving consideration to adding depth to RB which historically has a higher injury rate.I could pass on Meachem. He's locked into SD due to his contract and hopefully last year's disaster was somewhat related to the coaching staff. He should at least get a second opportunity. Gettis was probably a mistake and showing my bias of dislike for Lafell.
I have the same approach and we ended up with similar teams -- First 2 picks RBs and 4 total, took 2 QBs by round 5 and had 8 WRs. I felt my 6 WRs were weak and tried to shore up that group with 2 additional WR with picks 19 and 20. I did give some serious thought about another RB but just didn't see any that would help and felt like it would be a wasted pick.

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Ok here I am. My first wsl.QB4.10 RG310.10 Alex Smith18.10 Blaine GabbertRB1.07 LeSean McCoy3.07 Darren Sproles6.10 Willis McGahee19.07 Daniel Thomas20.10 Le'Veon BellWR2.10 Damarious Thomas5.07 Danario Alexander8.10 Brandon Lloyd9.07 Santonio Holmes11.07 Brandon Lafell12.10 Cordarelle PattersonTE7.07 Antonio Gates13.07 Zach Miller14.10 Zac ErtzPK16.10 Jason Hanson17.07 Nick NovakDEF15.07 Atlanta

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Hehe, fun fun. Let the ripping begin!QB: T Romo, C PonderRB: R Bush, E Lacy, M Turner, B Brown, M Ball, L BellWR: B Marshall, D Thomas, L Moore, A Roberts, B Gibson, D McClusterTE: A Gates, M LewisK: G Hartley, S JanikowskiDST: RAVENS, JETS

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4.12 RG3 QB135.05 Josh Freeman QB16In hindsight I wish i had waited another round to take QB2, but felt I needed to come right back at the position with RG3's question marks. He seems to be ahead of schedule though so not real worried. Could end up being a value pick if all goes well. I flirted with adding Kirk Cousins near the end of the draft, but needed to cover for the Titus Young snafu and the possible issues with Tynes.1.05 Marshawn Lynch RB52.12 Chris Johnson RB149.05 Chris Wells RB4211.05 Joique Bell RB51Only 4 but a solid 4 I feel. Perhaps the best top 2 in the league. Wells will get a job somewhere and hopefully stay healthy. Bell outproduced LeShoure more than once last year and tbh I think the Lions like him more than LeShoure.3.05 Jordy Nelson WR146.12 Danario Alexander WR377.05 Lance Moore WR3910.12 Mohammad Sanu WR5813.05 Julian Edelman WR7016.12 Titus Young WR8119.05 Marquise Goodwin WR91Like my top 5 probably more than most. I'm a DX believer and think he is Mike McCoy's new Demaryius Thomas. Moore is still solid and will produce more like a wr2 at times. Sanu was really coming on before the injury. If Welker ends up moving on then Edelman is in a good spot to take some of that production. Titus Young, I have nothing to say to you. released after 9 days? really? Goodwin impressed at the Senior Bowl and I wouldn't be surprised to see him run a 4.2 40 at the combine. Could easily creep into the 2nd or 3rd round of the NFL draft. I would have liked to have added one more but there were pressing needs elsewhere.8.12 Antonio Gates TE1412.12 Tyler Eifert TE2818.12 Dallas Clark TE36A couple old dudes and a rookie. I know Gates had a pretty abysmal 2012, but I think he fell way too far. I'll take a chance at TE14 off the board. I believe that the San Diego offense as a whole will be undervalued for the 2013 fantasy season. The offensive line should be a top priority in the draft which was by far their biggest issue last season. Rivers should bounce back with more time to throw and that means good things for Gates (and DX). Clark came on towards the end of last season and should be resigned by the Bucs after developing some chemistry with Freeman. Eifert seems to be the most NFL ready TE. If Gonzo doesn't come back maybe Atlanta drafts him and plugs him in right away,14.12 Dallas DST1917.05 Philadelphia DST23got two.15.05 Lawrence Tynes PK1020.12 Caleb Sturgis PK32No idea what happens with Tynes. My hunch is that the Giants don't keep him around, but that he should play somewhere next season at some point. It might not be until later in the year though when a team decides to replace a struggling kicker. Sturgis should be the first or second kicker drafted and will likely start right away.

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Ok here I am. My first wsl.QB4.10 RG310.10 Alex Smith18.10 Blaine GabbertRB1.07 LeSean McCoy3.07 Darren Sproles6.10 Willis McGahee19.07 Daniel Thomas20.10 Le'Veon BellWR2.10 Damarious Thomas5.07 Danario Alexander8.10 Brandon Lloyd9.07 Santonio Holmes11.07 Brandon Lafell12.10 Cordarelle PattersonTE7.07 Antonio Gates13.07 Zach Miller14.10 Zac ErtzPK16.10 Jason Hanson17.07 Nick NovakDEF15.07 Atlanta

I like your team but you left a lot of points on the board by taking Ertz over a defense there. I'm high on both Gates and Miller. I doubt Ertz will give you more than 15-20 pts this year. A 14th round defense would have added closer to 50 nets points to your team. Nice value picks across the board at QB/RB/WR.

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:2cents: 6.13 Matt Schaub QB Houston QB2111.14 Geno Smith QB Rookie QB3020.13 Tyler Wilson QB35Right now this doesn’t look great. That could change a little come September. Would be cool sometime to be able to go back and see what lowest drafted QB led a team to a title. As I glance down, I see that this position took a big backseat to WR/TE. Looks like you either missed out or chose to pass on the QB2 run, which is usually done by guys that take one of the elite guys as there QB1, not the 21st QB off the board. You could be in serious trouble here if one or both of the rooks don’t start from day one.1.4 Doug Martin RB TB RB49.4 Shane Vereen RB NE RB4116.13 Joseph Randle RB Rookie RB6317.4 Christine Michael RB Rookie RB65It looks like you may have felt that there was just too much value in the WR’s in rounds 2-5 to look anywhere else. Many guys also prescribe to the slack RB2 strategy. I don’t draft many rookies in these things so it is hard for me to give an assessment on them. Like the QB’s, if one or both of these guys doesn’t walk into significant snaps, you could be in trouble. 2.13 Roddy White WR ATL WR83.4 Vincent Jackson WR TB WR134.13 Steve Johnson WR BUF WR235.4 Greg Jennings WR GB/FA WR2812.7 Keenan Allen WR Rookie WR66Loaded and top heavy. While I like these guys I see some risk in a start 3 format and only taking 5. I understand the appeal of Jennings in the 5th but also realize that by making that pick, you picked your first bench player with needs elsewhere. You are going to need three above average scores here each week to cover some points at RB/QB. You can’t go wrong with 4 legit #1’s, but it may be wasted.7.4 Kyle Rudolph TE MIN TE108.13 Jermichael Finley TE GB? TE1510.13 Brent Celek TE PHI TE20Should obviously be solid here, but IMO one of these picks should have been RB or QB and I still would have really liked whatever duo was left.13.4 Green Bay Packers DST1118.13 Tampa Bay Bucs DST2919.4 Jacksonville Jaguars DST3214.13 Justin Tucker PK Baltimore PK515.4 Dan Bailey PK Dallas PK9Super solid with these 5, but I think you are hoping that a third DST also helps you get back points you lose at QB/RB. You almost had to just run with that strategy once you started I guess. Overall: I’m just not sure this team is built to “survive”. 7 of first 10 picks went to cover WR/TE which is 4 starters. You are going to have some serious points on the bench. And you are relying heavily on rookies. You could possibly lead the league in points at WR/TE/DST by the end of the year but be eliminated in week 2 and while there may be some weeks where your WR’s blow up and put you towards the top of the total points, I also think there will be many weeks where you are dancing the line of elimination. While you have some firepower a lot of it will be on your bench at WR and TE when you maybe could have used some other options at QB or RB. I thought the Celek pick was overkill. In a survivor format sometimes you have to pass on value to put yourself in the best position to advance week to week, not sure you did that. :banned:

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Ok here I am. My first wsl.QB4.10 RG310.10 Alex Smith18.10 Blaine GabbertRB1.07 LeSean McCoy3.07 Darren Sproles6.10 Willis McGahee19.07 Daniel Thomas20.10 Le'Veon BellWR2.10 Damarious Thomas5.07 Danario Alexander8.10 Brandon Lloyd9.07 Santonio Holmes11.07 Brandon Lafell12.10 Cordarelle PattersonTE7.07 Antonio Gates13.07 Zach Miller14.10 Zac ErtzPK16.10 Jason Hanson17.07 Nick NovakDEF15.07 Atlanta

I like your team but you left a lot of points on the board by taking Ertz over a defense there. I'm high on both Gates and Miller. I doubt Ertz will give you more than 15-20 pts this year. A 14th round defense would have added closer to 50 nets points to your team. Nice value picks across the board at QB/RB/WR.
I couldnt agree more! Defense is a definite weakness and probably should have gone with Oakland in round 16/17 ilo kicker. Just tried to get cute and assumed Noone would actually spend a picu on a third defense. Bad decision on my part. Hopefully Atlanta hasan early bye.

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:2cents: 5.12 Phillip Rivers SD QB15 6.5 Joe Flacco Balt QB1720.5 Blaine Gabbert Jac QB36I am liking some of the combos that include Rivers or Flacco. Having both seems pretty sweet. I like this trio to keep you in the mix at QB each week.2.5 Matt Forte Chi RB118.5 Mark Ingram NO RB33 9.12 Beanie Wells Ari RB4117.12 Chris Ivory NO RB6919.12 Mike Gillesse Rook RB75I thought both Ingram and Ivory ran really hard at times last year. I got a feeling NOS may open up a can of whoop ### on some people this year and just run it up when they can to prove a point with Payton back. I have some anti Forte bias, but I can’t hate on the pick, although as I have mentioned I really think you should have spent the investment on Bush when he was still hanging around pretty late. If Ivory finally ends up somehwere else, you could have a steal on your hands, but until that time, will have to hold tight on expectations. I’m not super excited about this group but it could be ok. No clue about Gillesse. If Beanie and Ivory see bigger and better roles, this group suddendly becomes stronger.1.12 AJ Green Cin WR23.12 Micheal Crabtree SF WR144.5 Marques Colston NO WR1810.5 Greg LIttle Cle WR5318.5 Lavon Bravill Indy WR81Colston at 4.5 is solid. I was kind of surprised to see him still available at my 4.03 pick and I took a look. WR value seemed to fall pretty good in our draft. I haven’t gotten on board with Crabtree yet, and I probably don’t have a good reason for it, but he won’t be on many of my teams with where he is going right now. He raised his value with a solid stretch, but I guess I’m not sold yet. Doesn’t make that a bad pick at all and your top 3 guys are solid. When doing these breakdowns, I often don’t mention much about the first guys owners have at each position as they are usually no brainers and I kind of look at the guys below them, but don’t think I don’t see Green sitting up there. Solid group and I like the Little pick too as I think he will continue to improve. If Collie and Avery go elsewhere that 18th rounder could produce. Depth is an issue here in a start 3 format as an injury cripples (no pun intended) this group. I’m not a big fan of less than 6 WR’s in this format.7.12 Jermaine Gresham Cin TE1111.12 Rob Housler Ari TE2612.5 Zach Miller Sea TE28Almost like the Miller pick better then that Housler pick. IIRC Miller had a pretty serious injury to end the year last year, but if he comes back, he could be a sneaky pick if his last performance was an indication of future production. Gresham seems to be getting better each year. Was actually glad to see you take Housler and not Allen in the 11th. I’ll be honest, I think the Housler pick was a little bit of a reach and if you knew at the time that you would have only had 5 WR by the end of the draft, that 11th rounder adding somebody like Nate Washington, Bess, Burleson, would have been nice to add some depth there. Or at least a flyer at WR with your 20th instead of Gabbert who may not have really be needed with Rivers/Flacco.13.12 Pitt D9 14.5 SL D1515.12 Greg Zeurlein SL Pk516.5 Mason Crosby GB PK11 Pretty solid here even though your PK missed a ton of kicks last year.Overall: This team could hang around and avoid elimination for a while. Some questions at RB and depth at WR, but pretty solid elsewhere. Would have liked to seen you add Bush as insurance to your RB1 and it would have been pretty cheap. One more WR instead of Gabbert or a TE. :banned:

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:2cents: 5.12 Phillip Rivers SD QB15 6.5 Joe Flacco Balt QB1720.5 Blaine Gabbert Jac QB36I am liking some of the combos that include Rivers or Flacco. Having both seems pretty sweet. I like this trio to keep you in the mix at QB each week.2.5 Matt Forte Chi RB118.5 Mark Ingram NO RB33 9.12 Beanie Wells Ari RB4117.12 Chris Ivory NO RB6919.12 Mike Gillesse Rook RB75I thought both Ingram and Ivory ran really hard at times last year. I got a feeling NOS may open up a can of whoop ### on some people this year and just run it up when they can to prove a point with Payton back. I have some anti Forte bias, but I can’t hate on the pick, although as I have mentioned I really think you should have spent the investment on Bush when he was still hanging around pretty late. If Ivory finally ends up somehwere else, you could have a steal on your hands, but until that time, will have to hold tight on expectations. I’m not super excited about this group but it could be ok. No clue about Gillesse. If Beanie and Ivory see bigger and better roles, this group suddendly becomes stronger.1.12 AJ Green Cin WR23.12 Micheal Crabtree SF WR144.5 Marques Colston NO WR1810.5 Greg LIttle Cle WR5318.5 Lavon Bravill Indy WR81Colston at 4.5 is solid. I was kind of surprised to see him still available at my 4.03 pick and I took a look. WR value seemed to fall pretty good in our draft. I haven’t gotten on board with Crabtree yet, and I probably don’t have a good reason for it, but he won’t be on many of my teams with where he is going right now. He raised his value with a solid stretch, but I guess I’m not sold yet. Doesn’t make that a bad pick at all and your top 3 guys are solid. When doing these breakdowns, I often don’t mention much about the first guys owners have at each position as they are usually no brainers and I kind of look at the guys below them, but don’t think I don’t see Green sitting up there. Solid group and I like the Little pick too as I think he will continue to improve. If Collie and Avery go elsewhere that 18th rounder could produce. Depth is an issue here in a start 3 format as an injury cripples (no pun intended) this group. I’m not a big fan of less than 6 WR’s in this format.7.12 Jermaine Gresham Cin TE1111.12 Rob Housler Ari TE2612.5 Zach Miller Sea TE28Almost like the Miller pick better then that Housler pick. IIRC Miller had a pretty serious injury to end the year last year, but if he comes back, he could be a sneaky pick if his last performance was an indication of future production. Gresham seems to be getting better each year. Was actually glad to see you take Housler and not Allen in the 11th. I’ll be honest, I think the Housler pick was a little bit of a reach and if you knew at the time that you would have only had 5 WR by the end of the draft, that 11th rounder adding somebody like Nate Washington, Bess, Burleson, would have been nice to add some depth there. Or at least a flyer at WR with your 20th instead of Gabbert who may not have really be needed with Rivers/Flacco.13.12 Pitt D9 14.5 SL D1515.12 Greg Zeurlein SL Pk516.5 Mason Crosby GB PK11 Pretty solid here even though your PK missed a ton of kicks last year.Overall: This team could hang around and avoid elimination for a while. Some questions at RB and depth at WR, but pretty solid elsewhere. Would have liked to seen you add Bush as insurance to your RB1 and it would have been pretty cheap. One more WR instead of Gabbert or a TE. :banned:
I dont care about not getting Bush as I dont think much of him anyways and have Forte in my top 5 at RB right now. The one pick I regret was not taking Mike Tolbert instead of Mason Crosby. I only took Gabbert because I think he was incredible value in the 20th round. Knew I needed a WR instead but went for value. I wish I had gone Tolbert in the 16th and got Dustin Hopkins in the 19th or 20th and not taken Gillesse. I took 3 TE`s because 2 PPR and hope to score really well with QB and TE to overcome my lack of depth at WR. Wish I had gone with a WR over Gillesse in the end but needed to go earlier. I wonder how long Miller would have dropped was a big question also. I might have been the only guy to take Bravill but I can see him doing better than Hllton this yearThanks for the comments.

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:2cents: 4.04 bro1ncos - Russell Wilson, QB11 6.04 bro1ncos - Josh Freeman, QB16 This duo will get you some points each week. Unquestioned starters. Ham n egg your way to probably above average scores each week at QB.1.13 bro1ncos - Trent Richardson, RB95.13 bro1ncos - Ahmad Bradshaw, RB25 9.13 bro1ncos - Fred Jackson, RB4211.13 bro1ncos - Ronnie Hillman, RB5314.04 bro1ncos - Jonathan Dwyer, RB6420.04 bro1ncos - Darrel Young, RB77Trent is a great start and I like the possibility of you getting 2 decent scores each week out of this group. Bradshaw being released might actually be a good thing for his fantasy value. I thought Hillman and Jackson represented good value for where you got them and they are the kind of RB’s that will have roles on their teams in some way, shape, or form. You aren’t really rolling the dice on them like a rookie or something. They will be a factor in their offenses, which guarantees you some points or a least not a bagel. Have to see what shakes down for Dwyer. Good work here.3.13 bro1ncos - Larry Fitzgerald, WR15 7.13 bro1ncos - Kendall Wright, WR448.04 bro1ncos - Brian Hartline, WR4612.04 bro1ncos - Mohamed Sanu, WR6416.04 bro1ncos - Titus Young, WR7718.04 bro1ncos - Doug Baldwin, WR8019.13 bro1ncos - David Gettis, WR93You could have some issues here. Could be a struggle to get 3 decent scores. I’m really not sure where to start or where to end with this group. It’s PPR so you ain’t dead, but there ain’t much pop here and none of them are really on high octane type offenses. Honestly after Fitz, it looks like a grab bag of WR4 or 5’s. In hindsight, maybe a WR like James Jones or something in the 6th instead of Freeman, and then maybe a QB in 7 or 8 (Vick)? You have some depth, which is always nice, but upside seems low. Unfortunately Fitz really isn’t like having 1.5 WR’s anymore.2.04 Bro1ncos - Aaron Hernandez, TE310.04 bro1ncos - Coby Fleener, TE23Pretty solid here. IMO I like Allen more than Fleener, but it’s a coin flip. Fleener will see the field.15.13 bro1ncos - Justin Tucker, K617.13 bro1ncos - Randy Bullock, K2813.13 bro1ncos - Green Bay Packers, DST10I probably would have snagged the last DST instead of the rook RB as they would score for you more than you think. Is Bullock a lock to kick? Ok here.Overall: Like your QB’s and RB’s and enjoyed drafting next to you and it was kind of nice because I never really felt snipped, except I would have taken Richardson if you didn’t. Was glad to see you take Bradshaw. I think you are pretty solid except for WR and a second DST should have been taken. I don’t see you winning many immunities and possibly hanging around the elimination line more than you would like. This team is built to survive a little more than others, but it could be tough some weeks. Plus you’re a Broncos fan so you probably don’t have much of a clue anyway. Good luck. :banned:

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:2cents: 4.04 bro1ncos - Russell Wilson, QB11 6.04 bro1ncos - Josh Freeman, QB16 This duo will get you some points each week. Unquestioned starters. Ham n egg your way to probably above average scores each week at QB.1.13 bro1ncos - Trent Richardson, RB95.13 bro1ncos - Ahmad Bradshaw, RB25 9.13 bro1ncos - Fred Jackson, RB4211.13 bro1ncos - Ronnie Hillman, RB5314.04 bro1ncos - Jonathan Dwyer, RB6420.04 bro1ncos - Darrel Young, RB77Trent is a great start and I like the possibility of you getting 2 decent scores each week out of this group. Bradshaw being released might actually be a good thing for his fantasy value. I thought Hillman and Jackson represented good value for where you got them and they are the kind of RB’s that will have roles on their teams in some way, shape, or form. You aren’t really rolling the dice on them like a rookie or something. They will be a factor in their offenses, which guarantees you some points or a least not a bagel. Have to see what shakes down for Dwyer. Good work here.3.13 bro1ncos - Larry Fitzgerald, WR15 7.13 bro1ncos - Kendall Wright, WR448.04 bro1ncos - Brian Hartline, WR4612.04 bro1ncos - Mohamed Sanu, WR6416.04 bro1ncos - Titus Young, WR7718.04 bro1ncos - Doug Baldwin, WR8019.13 bro1ncos - David Gettis, WR93You could have some issues here. Could be a struggle to get 3 decent scores. I’m really not sure where to start or where to end with this group. It’s PPR so you ain’t dead, but there ain’t much pop here and none of them are really on high octane type offenses. Honestly after Fitz, it looks like a grab bag of WR4 or 5’s. In hindsight, maybe a WR like James Jones or something in the 6th instead of Freeman, and then maybe a QB in 7 or 8 (Vick)? You have some depth, which is always nice, but upside seems low. Unfortunately Fitz really isn’t like having 1.5 WR’s anymore.2.04 Bro1ncos - Aaron Hernandez, TE310.04 bro1ncos - Coby Fleener, TE23Pretty solid here. IMO I like Allen more than Fleener, but it’s a coin flip. Fleener will see the field.15.13 bro1ncos - Justin Tucker, K617.13 bro1ncos - Randy Bullock, K2813.13 bro1ncos - Green Bay Packers, DST10I probably would have snagged the last DST instead of the rook RB as they would score for you more than you think. Is Bullock a lock to kick? Ok here.Overall: Like your QB’s and RB’s and enjoyed drafting next to you and it was kind of nice because I never really felt snipped, except I would have taken Richardson if you didn’t. Was glad to see you take Bradshaw. I think you are pretty solid except for WR and a second DST should have been taken. I don’t see you winning many immunities and possibly hanging around the elimination line more than you would like. This team is built to survive a little more than others, but it could be tough some weeks. Plus you’re a Broncos fan so you probably don’t have much of a clue anyway. Good luck. :banned:
Can't argue with you too much, but not like you would understand much as a Chief fan. I debated on the second D but I didn't think the Jags would score much anyway and even if they did it wouldn't be much more than 3-5 pts anyway. I think with taking a receiving FB like Young that the 3-4 games he catches TD passes or snipes a1yd rushing TD has a bigger chance of scoring for me. I fell behind in the WR race and never could catch up. I do think the guys I got will put up some points to let me hang around most weeks. 1 thing I learned from last year (my 1st year in these here at FBG) was that the immunity is nice but it is just more important to be consistent and not be the bottom score.

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holloway

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When you first posted this, I thought it was a ranking and was pretty bummed. Felt some relief when I realized it was just the order you're going in... although I wouldn't be surprised if I end up there on the rankings too :)

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WSL 3 - My first time... be gentle!QB1.12 Drew Brees QB115.12 Blaine Gabbert QB33RB4.05 Ryan Matthews RB195.12 Shonn Green RB238.05 Knowshown Moreno RB3510.05 Andre Brown RB4712.05 Danny Woodhead RB52WR2.05 Dez Bryant WR73.12 Michael Crabtree WR177.12 Andre Roberts WR459.12 Josh Morgan WR5216.05 Jordan Shipley WR7919.12 Damian Williams WR96TE6.05 Greg Olsen TE611.12 Lance Kendricks TE2620.05 Luke Stocker TE38PK13.12 Stephen Gostkowski PK217.12 Dan Carpenter PK26DEF14.05 Baltimore Ravens DEF1618.05 Tennessee Titans DEF27Overall, I'm fairly happy. RB + WR3 are biggest holes by my view. I seemed to take almost everyone earlier than they were taken in other drafts - hopefully that's not a bad sign.

QB - Slightly above average. Good job waiting on another starter and not burning capital on a player who won't score for you. Grade B to B+RB - All most impossible to grade. You drafted almost every controversial player. You'll look like a genius at the end of the year or be an after thought in the first quarter of the season. As a side note, I was "mocked" for drafting Woodhead late in one of these drafts last year and he often went un-drafted. Not sure what changed other than the guys in front of him getting better. Grade C to B+WR - Very strong top two. Roberts was a reach and will disappoint. I couldn't even tell you what teams your last three play for. Pretty average IMO. Grade C+TE - Pretty average again. Don't know much about Stocker so I'll bump you to C+K/D - No mistakes here. Grade BI like the fact you have a bunch of established players and didn't play the rookie lottery. You should stay out of the basement for a while. I think this team going deep will depend on two of Matthews/Greene/Moreno/Brown being great picks.

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WSL 3 - My first time... be gentle!QB1.12 Drew Brees QB115.12 Blaine Gabbert QB33RB4.05 Ryan Matthews RB195.12 Shonn Green RB238.05 Knowshown Moreno RB3510.05 Andre Brown RB4712.05 Danny Woodhead RB52WR2.05 Dez Bryant WR73.12 Michael Crabtree WR177.12 Andre Roberts WR459.12 Josh Morgan WR5216.05 Jordan Shipley WR7919.12 Damian Williams WR96TE6.05 Greg Olsen TE611.12 Lance Kendricks TE2620.05 Luke Stocker TE38PK13.12 Stephen Gostkowski PK217.12 Dan Carpenter PK26DEF14.05 Baltimore Ravens DEF1618.05 Tennessee Titans DEF27Overall, I'm fairly happy. RB + WR3 are biggest holes by my view. I seemed to take almost everyone earlier than they were taken in other drafts - hopefully that's not a bad sign.

QB - Slightly above average. Good job waiting on another starter and not burning capital on a player who won't score for you. Grade B to B+RB - All most impossible to grade. You drafted almost every controversial player. You'll look like a genius at the end of the year or be an after thought in the first quarter of the season. As a side note, I was "mocked" for drafting Woodhead late in one of these drafts last year and he often went un-drafted. Not sure what changed other than the guys in front of him getting better. Grade C to B+WR - Very strong top two. Roberts was a reach and will disappoint. I couldn't even tell you what teams your last three play for. Pretty average IMO. Grade C+TE - Pretty average again. Don't know much about Stocker so I'll bump you to C+K/D - No mistakes here. Grade BI like the fact you have a bunch of established players and didn't play the rookie lottery. You should stay out of the basement for a while. I think this team going deep will depend on two of Matthews/Greene/Moreno/Brown being great picks.
Great analysis. In no small part because I agree with it entirely. I'm expecting big things (relative to draft position) out of Damian Williams (Titans) and the other 2 guys were 2nd or 3rd year receivers (or TE's in the case of stocker), so I'm hoping they have some upside above their 2012 performance.As for the running backs, the irony to your statement is that the other guy I wanted was Mark Ingram - who clearly fits your criteria.I was also the "victim" of reading the news. Sigmund tweeted about Josh Morgan right before I took him, Gabbert was mentioned in an article as "would have been the first QB drafted this year if he waited to come out" and Bradshaw got cut shortly before I went on the clock with Brown.

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2.09 T.Brady NE18.09 D.Dixon PHIL3.08 D.Sproles NO8.09 G.Bernard ROOK15.08 P.Hillis FA17.08 C.Benson FA4.09 R.Wayne IND5.08 J.Blackmon JAX6.09 J.Jones GB7.08 M.Williams TB9.09 S.Holmes NYJ11.08 K.Allen FA19.08 S.Moss WASH20.09 AJ.Jenkins SF1.08 J.Graham NO10.09 F.Davis WASH13.08 S.Grokowski NE16.09 S.Graham CIN12.09 NewEngland14.09 Tennessee

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