Ok, so I know most people will think this is a reach, and most Bucs fans won't like the pick. So I just wanted to come back and give my thought process. First of all, I expect the Bucs to be big players in free agency again. Tampa should have around $40 million in cap room when free agency starts. I expect them to address most of their needs in free agency, and then go BPA in the draft. Specifically, I expect the Bucs will sign 2 free agent CBs and a TE (at a minimum). So Greene is the best player available at 13? Maybe not for most teams, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Bucs are that high on him. I think Greene's stock is going to soar as the draft gets closer. Whether it's to the Bucs or someone else, Greene will be a first round pick. Greene will shine during the interview process. Ask any of his teammates or coaches about Greene, and the first thing they will say is "Leader". Greg Schiano showed last year that he wants a certain type of player. Khaseem Green epitomizes the kind of player the Bucs are looking for. Schiano knows Green better than anyone, and will make sure he gets his guy. I've read somewhere else that the Bucs wouldn't take Greene because the Strong Side LB only plays 50% of the plays. Whether Greene is the MLB or SLB, he'd stay on the field every down, while Mason Foster leaves the field on 3rd. Greene can even play FS on 3rd down if needed. Greene has only played LB for 2 years, and his tape is outstanding. He has the potential to be a special player.Tampa-Khaseem GreenI'll be back in an hour to give my reasoning.
I was looking to trade down, but didn't get any takers. Hopefully the Bucs could trade down in that situation. Btw, if Eric Fisher or Lane Johnson were there at 13, they would have been the pick.Nice picks, guys.I do think Greene is a reach for 1st round. But it is a spot that the Bucs would like to improve at. I think they'd go Vaccaro or Banks there, but I like the thinking and reasoning.Ansah and Vaccaro to the Saints and Rams is perfect, IMO.
Greene would play MLB or SLB. David would stay at WLB. Could even put him at safety. I think SLB would be most likely. Would be a huge upgrade over Adam Hayward/Dakota Watson.I don't understand the Tampa pick considering they picked David to play the same spot last year.
Good pick there. With the big OL off, I also like Eifert in this scenario. Safety is deep enough that i think we could wait a tad. Safety is def need tho...We actually could use a couple and vacarro is usually atop the ranks I see.'tdmills said:16) St. Louis Rams select: Kenny Vaccaro S TexasThe Rams front 7 is solid with 2 good CBs as well. Vaccaro is athletic and can fly all over the field.
At risk of sounding like a jerk, you probably could have got him in the second (trade up?). It is unlikely that any of the teams running 34 defenses would be interested in him.I was looking to trade down, but didn't get any takers. Hopefully the Bucs could trade down in that situation. Btw, if Eric Fisher or Lane Johnson were there at 13, they would have been the pick.Nice picks, guys.I do think Greene is a reach for 1st round. But it is a spot that the Bucs would like to improve at. I think they'd go Vaccaro or Banks there, but I like the thinking and reasoning.Ansah and Vaccaro to the Saints and Rams is perfect, IMO.
I love Greene, even in the first round. With that said, he's as WILL as WILL gets IMO. I think David would be a better fit to move, but that probably wouldn't happen. I love the player, just not the fit.Greene would play MLB or SLB. David would stay at WLB. Could even put him at safety. I think SLB would be most likely. Would be a huge upgrade over Adam Hayward/Dakota Watson.I don't understand the Tampa pick considering they picked David to play the same spot last year.
'RJS113 said:Tampa-Khaseem GreenI'll be back in an hour to give my reasoning.
Yeah, this. I like the reasoning RJS, but the Bucs can't really afford to reach like that. They need some pass rush, and there were some pretty good pass rushers available at that spot. With Bowers possibly in some trouble for a gun charge in NY, and Clayborn returning from injury I don't see how they can pass up Ansah or DaMontre Moore.At risk of sounding like a jerk, you probably could have got him in the second (trade up?). It is unlikely that any of the teams running 34 defenses would be interested in him.I was looking to trade down, but didn't get any takers. Hopefully the Bucs could trade down in that situation. Btw, if Eric Fisher or Lane Johnson were there at 13, they would have been the pick.Nice picks, guys.
I do think Greene is a reach for 1st round. But it is a spot that the Bucs would like to improve at. I think they'd go Vaccaro or Banks there, but I like the thinking and reasoning.
Ansah and Vaccaro to the Saints and Rams is perfect, IMO.
Intriguing talent, but Schiano has made it pretty clear he won't be tolerating "knuckleheadedness."Tampa's pass defense gave up the most yards in the NFL in 2012. That needs to be addressed in free agency and with this pick, imo.What if it were Ogletree instead of Greene?
I think he's more well suited to 3-4 OLB than 4-3 end. He's a pure pass rusher, but could be a liability in coverage, that's the only caveat. The Steelers, however, need someone on the other side of Woodley who can generate heat and drop the QB - Moore may be better suited to that role than anyone in this draft. Werner and Jarvis Jones were two others I thought fit the bill, but both are gone. Dion Jordan and Ansah also could have been molded into 3-4 OLBs, but they're both pretty tall and may end up being 5-tech ends before all is said and done. Moore is the last guy left that I think is a pretty safe bet to be a premium pass rusher in the NFL.This, of course, is assuming there's not something wrong with him or that he's not taking the draft process seriously. If that's the case, I;m sure the interviews would ferret that out, but as I am not privy to them, I have to assume the Steelers would do due diligence and remove him from their draft board if they think he's a hump. This pick is based on what I'm seeing on film - it's the ideal intersection of need and value.I see that Moore played some linebacker at A&M. I was wondering if it would be that easy for him to move from DE to OLB. I guess it might.Dallas could go a lot of ways here. D.J. Fluker, a defensive tackle, or even Eddie Lacy.
I decided against moving up anyway, sorry for the delay.I was trying to trade this pick to rascal, but in the interest of keeping things moving
At 1.17, the Steelers select Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M
His disastrous combine showing yesterday is driving a free-fall on draft boards, but he insists this was an anomaly and that his Pro Day will set the record straight. The tape shows a top-5 pick, and probably the best pass-rusher in the entire draft. Steelers desperately need to enhance the pass rush, and this guy should be able to assist in that from day 1. Did not expect to see him available here.
I'm a proponent of not necessarily dwelling on need in the first round and going out and getting a star. Obviously there is pretty much no such thing as a "star" guard, but I think Cooper provides the mixture between a great player and a great need. It looks like there is a bit of a drop off at guard after Cooper (with the possible exception of Larry Warford).I was hoping Loutouie would continue to drop, but I just couldn't pull the trigger on Richardson. When I hear someone needs to be coached up I don't want him on Dallas even with a new defensive staff.I also would have had a hard time passing on Vaccaro if he were available. I'm sick of the Cowboys' safeties being horrible too.Cooper's a great pick there.
What was the deal?Ok, tdmills can have this pick for that deal he offered. He can come in, announce the trade and make his pick.
#22 overall and the Rams 4th round pick to Chicago#20 overall pick to the RamsWhat was the deal?Ok, tdmills can have this pick for that deal he offered. He can come in, announce the trade and make his pick.
Sounds right. Make it so. My guess:#22 overall and the Rams 4th round pick to Chicago#20 overall pick to the RamsWhat was the deal?Ok, tdmills can have this pick for that deal he offered. He can come in, announce the trade and make his pick.
My guessSounds right. Make it so. My guess:#22 overall and the Rams 4th round pick to Chicago#20 overall pick to the RamsWhat was the deal?Ok, tdmills can have this pick for that deal he offered. He can come in, announce the trade and make his pick.Jonathan Cyprien SS Florida International
Already took a safetySounds right. Make it so. My guess:#22 overall and the Rams 4th round pick to Chicago#20 overall pick to the RamsWhat was the deal?Ok, tdmills can have this pick for that deal he offered. He can come in, announce the trade and make his pick.Jonathan Cyprien SS Florida International
My guessSounds right. Make it so. My guess:#22 overall and the Rams 4th round pick to Chicago#20 overall pick to the RamsWhat was the deal?Ok, tdmills can have this pick for that deal he offered. He can come in, announce the trade and make his pick.Jonathan Cyprien SS Florida International
Oh yeah. Could use two though. But not back to back.Why do you think you'd have to trade up for Allen?Already took a safety
Sounds right. Make it so. My guess:#22 overall and the Rams 4th round pick to Chicago#20 overall pick to the RamsWhat was the deal?Ok, tdmills can have this pick for that deal he offered. He can come in, announce the trade and make his pick.Jonathan Cyprien SS Florida International
Didn't want Minnesota to jump me for him, maybe I was just paranoid thoughOh yeah. Could use two though. But not back to back.Why do you think you'd have to trade up for Allen?Already took a safety
vote rascalDenver looking to trade up.
22 is availableDenver looking to trade up.
LOLI didn't want to depart with my third, sorry.vote rascalDenver looking to trade up.