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43 minutes ago, Evilgrin 72 said:

It's not even entirely relevant if you think Bell is a better player than Conner.  What is relevant is that Conner at $790,000 is a much better ROI than Bell at $14,500,000, or even the prorated remainder of that #.

 

Trade Bell, then flip the pick you get for him to Arizona along with a 2020 pick and Artie Burns for Patrick Peterson.

 

Steelers with Conner and Peterson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steelers with Bell and Burns.  We've already seen that the Steelers can move the ball just fine with Conner.  Whatever small hit the offense would take by not getting Bell back would be offset threefold by the massive improvement the defense would make having Haden and Peterson as the corners.  Suddenly, the team's biggest weakness becomes a strength.

Agreed.

As good as the offense is with Conner, it'd be at least a little better with a healthy and motivated Bell (neither of which we'd be sure to have anyways). But at their respective costs, there's no comparison. The idea of trading Bell and flipping that pick plus more for Peterson is probably easier said than done. 

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24 minutes ago, ROCKET said:

How can you trade a guy who has 10 games remaining on his contract? No team is giving up a high draft pick for a guy who can walk at the end of the season and go to the highest bidder. This isn't the NBA, there is no sign and trade deals. 

Well, the Saints did give up a 3rd round pick for a full season of a backup QB when the backup QB is set to be a UFA after this season.

So, it can happen. Not saying I expect it to, though. I don't see anyone dealing for Bell this year.

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I know I'm just contributing to the noise with this post, but when someone finally posts here that Bell has reported to camp, can you do so in BIG BOLD RED LETTERS so we'll notice? :)

 

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1 hour ago, Bayhawks said:

Why would Arizona trade for bell when they have DJ?  Is this a legit rumor?

That's why I said to trade Bell and the flip the pick they get for him to AZ in a package for Peterson. 

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1 hour ago, ROCKET said:

How can you trade a guy who has 10 games remaining on his contract? No team is giving up a high draft pick for a guy who can walk at the end of the season and go to the highest bidder. This isn't the NBA, there is no sign and trade deals. 

Who said "high" pick? I don't know what teams are willing to deal for him. What if the Jets (for example) think or know he wants to play in NY? Maybe they would be willing to trade a 3rd rounder for the chance to get him in the fold now and sign him to a long term deal when the season ends? If they're hot for him and they think the Steelers are going to transition tag him (Bell already said they told him they plan to) and have the right to match, it may be worth a third to them to get him now and have months to iron out the terms of a long term deal they can sign him to as soon as the season ends. 

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1 hour ago, shadyridr said:

Form a sick RBBC with DJ? This is like something I'd do in madden

I don't think anyone is actually reading what I wrote. 

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1 hour ago, Bayhawks said:

Never mind, I mis-read it the first time.

Ignore my response then, I replied before I saw this. :thumbup:

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4 hours ago, Steelers4Life said:

Sometimes it takes watching them play as opposed to looking at numbers.  

Conner can catch passes, no doubt. He's a great safety valve and has made plays a lot in that capacity with defenses focused so heavily on the WRs and TEs. He's good in the open field. But he's not the type of talent that can split out wide like Bell did, which is why I'd fully expect Bell to get a lot more attention as a receiver than Conner ever will.

I love Conner. I'm a Steelers fan and a Pitt alum. People who want to look at numbers and say Conner is as good or better than Bell are nuts. He's not. But just because he's not as good as Bell doesn't mean he can't be very productive and it doesn't mean the Steelers offense misses much without Bell.

When you have a solid line, 2 star WRs, and a future HOF quarterback, the running back is going to benefit... Bell did, and so does Conner. 

I really do not think Bell will have the success on another team that he has had in Pitt. Bell is good  but Connor has filled in more than adequate for pennies on the dollar. Pitt can score more than enough without Bell...Bells $$$$ spent of defense will help more than spending more on offense.

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Not expected to report this week according to an unnamed team source. 

Thanks, Lev. Save another $850K rather than paying it to you to sit on ### for a week during the bye. 

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15 minutes ago, Da Guru said:

I really do not think Bell will have the success on another team that he has had in Pitt. Bell is good  but Connor has filled in more than adequate for pennies on the dollar. Pitt can score more than enough without Bell...Bells $$$$ spent of defense will help more than spending more on offense.

Pressure is pretty big on him. It’s not that easy to just show up and be great.

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IMO, PIT was smart to not pay Bell what he wanted. I’d go so far to say that even his franchise salary is too much to pay a RB in the current NFL. (That doesn’t mean Bell isn’t worth it, but from a roster construction and salary cap perspective it’s not the best use of resources to field a team.)

Where the Steelers stumbled was not trading him when he was under contract when he had a lot higher trade value. 

Even those people that loathe NE should be able to identify that the way they handle contracts hasn’t really burned them. I posted inthe Patriots thread that the 10 big free agents or players they traded over the past 2-3 years signed for a combined $550 million. That list includes Jimmy G, Cooks, Butler, Lewis, Amendola, Jamie Collins, Chandler Jones, Logan Ryan, Martellus Bennett, and Nate Solder. All good players, but all costing a lot of money. 

As I posted pages and pages ago, Conner and $14 million to spend trumps Bell by a country mile in terms of the value to the Steelers, even if Bell’s production might be slightly better. 

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45 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

IMO, PIT was smart to not pay Bell what he wanted. I’d go so far to say that even his franchise salary is too much to pay a RB in the current NFL. (That doesn’t mean Bell isn’t worth it, but from a roster construction and salary cap perspective it’s not the best use of resources to field a team.)

Where the Steelers stumbled was not trading him when he was under contract when he had a lot higher trade value. 

Even those people that loathe NE should be able to identify that the way they handle contracts hasn’t really burned them. I posted inthe Patriots thread that the 10 big free agents or players they traded over the past 2-3 years signed for a combined $550 million. That list includes Jimmy G, Cooks, Butler, Lewis, Amendola, Jamie Collins, Chandler Jones, Logan Ryan, Martellus Bennett, and Nate Solder. All good players, but all costing a lot of money. 

As I posted pages and pages ago, Conner and $14 million to spend trumps Bell by a country mile in terms of the value to the Steelers, even if Bell’s production might be slightly better. 

I agree...keep Brown and Shuster and let Connor keep producing.

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42 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

IMO, PIT was smart to not pay Bell what he wanted. I’d go so far to say that even his franchise salary is too much to pay a RB in the current NFL. (That doesn’t mean Bell isn’t worth it, but from a roster construction and salary cap perspective it’s not the best use of resources to field a team.)

Where the Steelers stumbled was not trading him when he was under contract when he had a lot higher trade value. 

Even those people that loathe NE should be able to identify that the way they handle contracts hasn’t really burned them. I posted inthe Patriots thread that the 10 big free agents or players they traded over the past 2-3 years signed for a combined $550 million. That list includes Jimmy G, Cooks, Butler, Lewis, Amendola, Jamie Collins, Chandler Jones, Logan Ryan, Martellus Bennett, and Nate Solder. All good players, but all costing a lot of money. 

As I posted pages and pages ago, Conner and $14 million to spend trumps Bell by a country mile in terms of the value to the Steelers, even if Bell’s production might be slightly better. 

It's not quite that simple. Exactly when should they have traded him? Back in 2016 when he was a great player on the last year of his contract who had served a drug suspension that year and the year before? Or in 2017 when he was on the franchise tag? He hasn't signed his tender this year, so trading him was never an option this offseason.

Heading into 2018, the Steelers liked Conner but he had been inconsistent as a rookie and there's no way the Steelers could've had these expectations for him this year. He got plenty of offseason buzz, but even still, even the most optimistic fans of Conner (and I was one) didn't expect this. So yeah, ideally the Steelers could've moved Bell, but that would've had to be done last year or even the year before, because he still isn't even eligible to traded this year. Given the Steelers' aspirations the last couple years, there's no realistic way that anyone could've expected him to be traded

In a perfect world, Bell would've made his intentions to sit out clear in June or early July and the Steelers could've worked out a trade for him to go somewhere to get the contract he wants before the deadline passed. He'd have gotten paid, and the Steelers would've had the extra money to spend and some compensation. Unfortunately Bell didn't do that, and maybe he didn't even intend for it to stretch out this way until later in the offseason. Who knows.

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21 hours ago, matuski said:

20 - 854

62 - 7996

2 franchise tags versus zero.

really isn't hard and could probably do this all day.. but this wasn't what you were really after.

These stats aren't an even comparable at all. For James Conner's 20 games, he has only been a starter for 6. Leveon was the starter in all of his 62 games but was entrenched when Conner was drafted. It would be much more accurate to say:

  • James Conner: 6 games - 453 rush yards - 7 TDs - 257 rec yards - 118 total ypg and 1.17 TD/game (first 6 games of second season)

VS

  • Leveon Bell: 6 games - 542 rush yards - 1 TD - 251 rec yards - 132 ypg and 0.17 TD/game (first 6 games of second season)

Or, vs

  • Leveon Bell: 27 games - 2559 rush yards -  16 TDs - 1271 rec yards -  4 TDs - 141.8 ypg and 0.74 TD/game (Last 2 years)

Comparing Leveon's 2nd season and his last 2 years as a starter against Conner so far this year, it's obvious that he's better at generating yards, but hasn't been as good at getting TDs. I don't think that's indicative of Leveon though, I think a lot of that was due to Haley's play calling and poor red zone offense. If Leveon rushed more in the red zone I think his TD numbers would be comparable to Conner.  

When comparing their first 6 games of their 2nd year in the league, Conner had 103 attempts and Leveon had 105, they essentially had the same workload with slightly better production by Leveon. Also, Leveon had 582 attempts the last 2 years giving him a ypc of 4.4. James Conner is sitting at 4.4 ypc also so far this year.

I'm a Steelers fan and a Leveon fan, I think he's a special talent and I want him to be on my team so that they have more excellent players because more good players is better than less good players. But I think the argument that some make about him not being worth it has some merit. James Conner is putting up worse, but similar production and at a small fraction of the amount Leveon is getting paid.  

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So basically, we look at some guy posting a stat line against defenses that are begging Pitt to use him against the stat line of guy holding out. That's essentially what's happening here for anyone who is saying Conner is better than Bell. We can argue that his ROI is better based on contracts (and contract demands), but to say Conner is better based on stat lines proves once again that the Sharkpool has a collective memory of about 5 weeks. 

I seem to remember Conner and Bell playing for the same team in 2017. Surely the more talented Conner would've eaten into Bell's playing time? No he didn't because he's James Conner and he doesn't eat into Leveon Bell's playing time because he's just not as good and anyone with vision remotely close to 20/20 would know this and pull their head out of the box score and get back to reality. 

What was the quote from Big Ben about if Bell comes back? That Conner should continue to be the starter and Bell should ride the pine? No, that's not what he said is it. But, but, but, box scores.

There are two different defensive game plans going on between 2017 and 2018. Conner could not remotely produce what Bell can if he faced the same focus from the defense that Bell did. 

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Just now, TheFanatic said:

So basically, we look at some guy posting a stat line against defenses that are begging Pitt to use him against the stat line of guy holding out. That's essentially what's happening here for anyone who is saying Conner is better than Bell. We can argue that his ROI is better based on contracts (and contract demands), but to say Conner is better based on stat lines proves once again that the Sharkpool has a collective memory of about 5 weeks. 

I seem to remember Conner and Bell playing for the same team in 2017. Surely the more talented Conner would've eaten into Bell's playing time? No he didn't because he's James Conner and he doesn't eat into Leveon Bell's playing time because he's just not as good and anyone with vision remotely close to 20/20 would know this and pull their head out of the box score and get back to reality. 

What was the quote from Big Ben about if Bell comes back? That Conner should continue to be the starter and Bell should ride the pine? No, that's not what he said is it. But, but, but, box scores.

There are two different defensive game plans going on between 2017 and 2018. Conner could not remotely produce what Bell can if he faced the same focus from the defense that Bell did. 

So, you're saying that Brett Favre didn't eat into Chris Miller and Billy Joe Tolliver's playing time because he just wasn't as good? And Arian Foster and Priest Homes didn't eat into Steve Slaton's and Bam Morris's playing time because Slaton and Morris were clearly superior? Got it.

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9 minutes ago, whole-show said:

Now rumor is he’s to report on Monday....

Not sure how reliable of a source, but supposedly will be back Monday

Unreliable source. That picture was actually taken (and posted) months ago and this guy decided to post the same picture again to stir up some drama.

SBNation actually dissociated themselves from him as a result of this whole thing. Pretty stupid thing for this guy to do. Clown move.

https://twitter.com/weiner_amir/status/1052270176270512130?s=20

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On 10/15/2018 at 7:01 PM, Evilgrin 72 said:

Not expected to report this week according to an unnamed team source. 

Thanks, Lev. Save another $850K rather than paying it to you to sit on ### for a week during the bye. 

They wouldn't have had to pay him for the Bye, that was misreported before, that's why he's not showing up this week. I would be a little surprised if he didn't report next week. Not shocked if he didn't show up, but a little surprised.

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17 hours ago, apalmer said:

So, you're saying that Brett Favre didn't eat into Chris Miller and Billy Joe Tolliver's playing time because he just wasn't as good? And Arian Foster and Priest Homes didn't eat into Steve Slaton's and Bam Morris's playing time because Slaton and Morris were clearly superior? Got it.

James Conner is not Brett Favre. I see where you want to go with this, but that's apple and oranges. 

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50 minutes ago, steelers1080 said:

They wouldn't have had to pay him for the Bye, that was misreported before, that's why he's not showing up this week. I would be a little surprised if he didn't report next week. Not shocked if he didn't show up, but a little surprised.

I don't see what sense it makes for Bell to report before week 10 unless he wants to come in time to possibly be traded.  

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19 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

I don't see what sense it makes for Bell to report before week 10 unless he wants to come in time to possibly be traded.  

There's also the close to a million dollars a week he is missing out on. 

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Just now, TheFanatic said:

James Conner is not Brett Favre. I see where you want to go with this, but that's apple and oranges. 

:shrug: Jerry Glanville didn't think Brett Favre was Brett Favre.  As talented as he proved to be later,  Brett Favre couldn't cut into the starter's reps his rookie year, nor could Foster or Holmes jump ahead of established starters their rookie years.  If guys that talented couldn't do it behind mediocre to poor starters, why does Conner not doing it behind an All-Pro mean he can't be as talented? 

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23 minutes ago, TheFanatic said:

There's also the close to a million dollars a week he is missing out on. 

Sure but wasn't the whole point of holding out was that risk of injury and the impact that would have on his future contract  being more important than money now?   By reporting 2 weeks early he is taking more risk over a measly $1.6 million. 

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I just don’t understand why he wouldn’t sign this week.  Gives him 2 weeks to get ready, but also gives PIT an extra week to move him 

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31 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

Sure but wasn't the whole point of holding out was that risk of injury and the impact that would have on his future contract  being more important than money now?   By reporting 2 weeks early he is taking more risk over a measly $1.6 million. 

Idk about you, but I'm beginning to think that he maybe hasn't thought this out fully. 

What it boils down to is:

  • He said he was coming back during the bye. But he also said he'd be there week 1.
  • He probably doesn't want to get traded because his best chance of playing well this year is with the Steelers, he could suck on a new team with a terrible QB or bad line. 
  • He probably doesn't want to keep missing out on money.
  • He realizes that Conner is playing well and if Conner keeps playing well it might lessen his value next year. 

This whole holdout has been a bit odd, I think at this point he's probably weighing the chances of getting traded with the odds that Conner keeps playing well and lowers his perceived value. 

It remains to be seen how this whole ordeal shakes out, including his contract next year, but it would appear that his agent has given him poor advice. 

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20 minutes ago, steelers1080 said:

Idk about you, but I'm beginning to think that he maybe hasn't thought this out fully. 

What it boils down to is:

  • He said he was coming back during the bye. But he also said he'd be there week 1.
  • He probably doesn't want to get traded because his best chance of playing well this year is with the Steelers, he could suck on a new team with a terrible QB or bad line. 
  • He probably doesn't want to keep missing out on money.
  • He realizes that Conner is playing well and if Conner keeps playing well it might lessen his value next year. 

This whole holdout has been a bit odd, I think at this point he's probably weighing the chances of getting traded with the odds that Conner keeps playing well and lowers his perceived value. 

It remains to be seen how this whole ordeal shakes out, including his contract next year, but it would appear that his agent has given him poor advice. 

Agreed.  I really question whether the guy's heart is in football.    That is not intended to be a knock but the guy made $12 million last season and could have pocketed another $20+ million this year by signing the long term contract offered by the Steelers or $14.5 million by signing the tender.   

I understand he thinks he is worth more but that is still a ton of money to play a game you supposedly love.

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1 hour ago, apalmer said:

:shrug: Jerry Glanville didn't think Brett Favre was Brett Favre.  As talented as he proved to be later,  Brett Favre couldn't cut into the starter's reps his rookie year, nor could Foster or Holmes jump ahead of established starters their rookie years.  If guys that talented couldn't do it behind mediocre to poor starters, why does Conner not doing it behind an All-Pro mean he can't be as talented? 

We both know that Running backs can learn the position WAY faster than QB's. But keep going with this line of 'reasoning.'

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1 hour ago, Wrigley said:

I just don’t understand why he wouldn’t sign this week.  Gives him 2 weeks to get ready, but also gives PIT an extra week to move him 

Who knows what he and his agent are thinking. They're making it up as they go. If I had to guess it's because he thinks there's a decent chance he'd be dealt if he showed up before the trade deadline and he doesn't want that. If he goes to another team this season and lays an egg it'd knock his potential future earnings down even more. Every week this guy lights almost a million bucks on fire as James Conner shows the entire world why the Steelers were smart not to lock up huge $$$ in Bell.

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5 minutes ago, TheFanatic said:

We both know that Running backs can learn the position WAY faster than QB's. But keep going with this line of 'reasoning.'

You must not watch the Steelers much, they are one of the most stubborn teams when if comes to playing their rookies.  So making a point that there's somehow a direct linear correlation between Conner (as a rookie) and Bell's carries last year and how the Steelers view their talent, doesn't hold water.  It's also even less pertinent this year when comparing their talents considering how much Conner has improved from last year, particularly in pass protection and catching passes.   

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7 minutes ago, Buttonhook said:

You must not watch the Steelers much, they are one of the most stubborn teams when if comes to playing their rookies.  So making a point that there's somehow a direct linear correlation between Conner (as a rookie) and Bell's carries last year and how the Steelers view their talent, doesn't hold water.  It's also even less pertinent this year when comparing their talents considering how much Conner has improved from last year, particularly in pass protection and catching passes.   

Hmmmm, that seems plausible. But wait. Why did Bell start 13 games as a rookie?  Surely by the end of last season, Conner should've been starting since he is the far superior back. I mean, everyone here knows so much more than both the Steelers coaching staff as well as the players. This is a no brainer. 

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1 hour ago, steelers1080 said:

... the odds that Conner keeps playing well and lowers [Bell's] perceived value. 

Too late.

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Le'Veon has put himself into a tough spot.

He didn't sign a contract in 2017 that even his agent thought he was going to sign, and then he turned down a contract this past offseason that had $20M fully guaranteed within 3 days of signing, which ultimately was only $2M less than the portion of Gurley's contract that was fully guaranteed at signing (the rest were rolling guarantees that Bell has said he doesn't like). Now he's backed himself into a corner on what he really thinks he's worth and what he'll be looking for next year as a 27 year old RB with a lot less money in his bank accounts.

He's watched Conner put up similar numbers in the Steelers' offense, and no matter what you feel about their relative talent levels, you can be sure that other teams are going to look at that (and now what a supposedly washed-up DeAngelo Williams did in that role) and have at least some reservations about how much was Bell and how much was the system and supporting cast.

He knows getting traded would be bad for him, he's already walked away from nearly $7M he can't make back, and every week he's away is another $855K. 

He knows the Steelers can tell him that if he doesn't want to take a 2 week, unpaid roster exemption, he's free to wait until after week 10 to report. The team has clearly moved on, and they'll deal with him only if and when they need to.

The Steelers also have the power to say that no matter when he reports, they want the two week roster exemption, and if he doesn't like that he's free to not sign it at all... which would also be bad for Bell.

He overplayed his hand, lost millions of dollars, ticked off his teammates, has no leverage whatsoever, and only cares about his money. Not a good look for a guy who turned down $20M guaranteed a few months back. 

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Just now, TheFanatic said:

Hmmmm, that seems plausible. But wait. Why did Bell start 13 games as a rookie?  Surely by the end of last season, Conner should've been starting since he is the far superior back. I mean, everyone here knows so much more than both the Steelers coaching staff as well as the players. This is a no brainer. 

The same reason Holmes and Foster didn't?

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Just now, TheFanatic said:

We both know that Running backs can learn the position WAY faster than QB's. But keep going with this line of 'reasoning.'

Want to address Holmes and Foster or just pretend they weren't in that post?

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3 minutes ago, TheFanatic said:

Hmmmm, that seems plausible. But wait. Why did Bell start 13 games as a rookie?  Surely by the end of last season, Conner should've been starting since he is the far superior back. I mean, everyone here knows so much more than both the Steelers coaching staff as well as the players. This is a no brainer. 

You're arguing for no reason. Bell only played as a rookie because his only competition was Felix Jones and Jonathan Dwyer, and they drafted him with the intention of competing for carries right away. They didn't draft Conner with any thoughts of him taking carries from Bell, and I'm not even sure they necessarily drafted him to be their RB of the future either. They definitely knew Conner well though, because the Steelers and Pitt share training facilities.

In 2017, Conner was an overmatched rookie who didn't look especially good playing behind one of the best RBs in football. If Conner had looked this good in 2017, yes, he would've gotten plenty of playing time as Bell's backup.

In 2018, Conner has made massive improvements in his blocking, pass catching, and explosion, and his production most likely comes as a surprise to even the Steelers organization. They may have handled the situation completely different if they KNEW Conner was ready to step in the way he has, but 2017 didn't give them any indication that he could. He received buzz in the offseason, but so does everyone else.

I've stated that I think Bell is the clearly superior talent at RB simply because of his skills as a receiver, but I don't think the gap in their talent levels is so big that that Bell is worth anything remotely close to what he's asked for.  

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8 minutes ago, TheFanatic said:

Hmmmm, that seems plausible. But wait. Why did Bell start 13 games as a rookie?  Surely by the end of last season, Conner should've been starting since he is the far superior back. I mean, everyone here knows so much more than both the Steelers coaching staff as well as the players. This is a no brainer. 

I don`t think anyone is saying he is a better RB....but the offensive numbers have not missed a beat. Connor averaging .4 yards a carry more than Bell and already has 7 TDs, Shuster and Brown are racking up TDs, receptions and yards as usual. James is averaging 16 yards a catch and the Steeler are like 4th in the NFL in scoring. Right now Bell will need 28-29 up front to make up for what he lost in turning down Steelers.  Not sure Bell is getting the best advice.  Injuries in the NFL are random. Bell could blow his knee out with 8-10 touches a game and be screwed.

It is all about ROI.   Conner has provided close to the same production for pennies on the dollar. Bell has actually saved the Steelers millions out of his own pocket.

The offense is not the Steelers problem, it is the other side of the ball that needs addressed.

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I have Conner and Bell.  Was offered Mike Evans for Bell.  Trying to think of a reason not to take it...

 

This entire situation was odd from the get go.

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39 minutes ago, MarshallPlan said:

I have Conner and Bell.  Was offered Mike Evans for Bell.  Trying to think of a reason not to take it...

 

This entire situation was odd from the get go.

I'd take that immediately.

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Just now, Steelers4Life said:

You're arguing for no reason. Bell only played as a rookie because his only competition was Felix Jones and Jonathan Dwyer, and they drafted him with the intention of competing for carries right away. They didn't draft Conner with any thoughts of him taking carries from Bell, and I'm not even sure they necessarily drafted him to be their RB of the future either. They definitely knew Conner well though, because the Steelers and Pitt share training facilities.

In 2017, Conner was an overmatched rookie who didn't look especially good playing behind one of the best RBs in football. If Conner had looked this good in 2017, yes, he would've gotten plenty of playing time as Bell's backup.

In 2018, Conner has made massive improvements in his blocking, pass catching, and explosion, and his production most likely comes as a surprise to even the Steelers organization. They may have handled the situation completely different if they KNEW Conner was ready to step in the way he has, but 2017 didn't give them any indication that he could. He received buzz in the offseason, but so does everyone else.

I've stated that I think Bell is the clearly superior talent at RB simply because of his skills as a receiver, but I don't think the gap in their talent levels is so big that that Bell is worth anything remotely close to what he's asked for.  

He's also a year further removed from chemo, which is no small thing.  He's breaking tackles and running over people now like he did as a sophomore at Pitt (ask Burfict), something he didn't do last year or the year before.

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2 hours ago, Nipsey said:

Who knows what he and his agent are thinking. They're making it up as they go. If I had to guess it's because he thinks there's a decent chance he'd be dealt if he showed up before the trade deadline and he doesn't want that. If he goes to another team this season and lays an egg it'd knock his potential future earnings down even more. Every week this guy lights almost a million bucks on fire as James Conner shows the entire world why the Steelers were smart not to lock up huge $$$ in Bell.

It's also possible the agent has just been doing what his client is telling him to do since Bell chose not to sign that deal. Lots of real estate agents run into clients who want way more for their house than its worth. In that situation you don't tell them they're crazy, that's how you get fired. You let the market do it for you...

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As a Bell owner, I hate to say this but I think his style of hesitating on runs is going to fail miserably when he's on a different team. I think he has started overdoing it and if the OL is not top notch there are gonna be a lot of hits in the backfield. As someone pointed out, Conner is averaging better YPC than Bell was last year.

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8 hours ago, creepythinman said:

I'd take that immediately.

I wouldn’t.  In week 10 Bell will be getting 90% of the touches.  

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2 minutes ago, zoonation said:

I wouldn’t.  In week 10 Bell will be getting 90% of the touches.  

Think so?

The Bell owner has sent me 5 different offers in the last 2 weeks.

ETA: sorry, I meant he keeps sending me package offers to take Bell off his hands. Latest one he wants Alshon & Goldin.

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1 minute ago, BobbyLayne said:

Think so?

The Bell owner has sent me 5 different offers in the last 2 weeks.

Yes.  Things change fast.  And Bell is elite. Connor is a good RB.   

I see Bell hndming at least 80% when he is up to game speed.  

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1 hour ago, zoonation said:

I wouldn’t.  In week 10 Bell will be getting 90% of the touches.  

I'd take the under on that.  Easily.

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11 hours ago, MarshallPlan said:

I have Conner and Bell.  Was offered Mike Evans for Bell.  Trying to think of a reason not to take it...

 

This entire situation was odd from the get go.

If your secure about the playoffs, I wouldn't make that trade.  Bell will be more valuable in weeks 13-16.

Unless you're really hurting at WR.

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On 10/16/2018 at 12:45 PM, steelers1080 said:

These stats aren't an even comparable at all.

Exactly.

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I would think when Bell is back, after about a week or so, he will get the huge bulk of the touches for a couple reasons.  One, he will be gone next year so they will wear him out.  Two, they will keep Conner fresh for the playoffs for when Bell sits again.  

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20 minutes ago, matuski said:

Exactly.

Haha, your improper use of statistics is annoying. The correct stats were there to compare and show that Leveon is better and has a much longer track record, why not just use them next time?

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