davearm 742 Posted November 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said: Poor logic. Even if he got hurt it would 99% likely be non career ending, so he would still get a contract, and probably still a decent one. Plus the fact he could easily get hurt outside of football. Unless of course he isn't training, in which case there is no way he gets a huge deal if he is out of shape. So in your example, I EASILY take the 14.5 million now with the 70% change of 30 more million because that 35 million in the future is absolutely NOT a 100% guarantee. The probability of suffering a career-ending injury on the field is probably less than 30%, but it isn't 1% either. But the probability of suffering a career-ending injury off the field is effectively zero. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doug B 2,668 Posted November 12, 2018 Maybe things will be different now ... but it used to be that when evaluating players to sign, players that completely missed the prior season were downgraded significantly, even when not due to injury. I'll be interested to see what kind of offers Bells actually ends up getting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phenomena 331 Posted November 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Doug B said: Maybe things will be different now ... but it used to be that when evaluating players to sign, players that completely missed the prior season were downgraded significantly, even when not due to injury. I'll be interested to see what kind of offers Bells actually ends up getting. There are 32 NFL GMs, 20-50% of which are on the hot seat on any given year and many of whom are poor at their jobs. Someone will take the gamble and give him big money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ghostguy123 3,020 Posted November 12, 2018 2 hours ago, davearm said: The probability of suffering a career-ending injury on the field is probably less than 30%, but it isn't 1% either. But the probability of suffering a career-ending injury off the field is effectively zero. How many players suffered career ending injuries last year? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bayhawks 2,190 Posted November 12, 2018 33 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said: How many players suffered career ending injuries last year? Eric Wood, Joe Thomas, Kam Chancellor, Zach Miller, Ryan Shazier, Cliff Avril, D'onta Foreman (possibly)-Just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others who weren't "big" names who found themselves released because of injuries who will never play in the NFL again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brewer 201 Posted November 12, 2018 4 hours ago, davearm said: The probability of suffering a career-ending injury on the field is probably less than 30%, but it isn't 1% either. But the probability of suffering a career-ending injury off the field is effectively zero. It's not zero when you spend that time off the field playing pickup basketball at LA Fitness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davearm 742 Posted November 12, 2018 27 minutes ago, brewer said: It's not zero when you spend that time off the field playing pickup basketball at LA Fitness. Fair point. Back in the day I saw then-Braves OF David Justice playing some 3-on-3 hoops at a gym in Atlanta. He was not holding back on the dunks. Kevin Willis had to tell him to chill out. Le'Veon Bell is none too bright if he's doing anything like what I saw. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ghostguy123 3,020 Posted November 13, 2018 5 hours ago, Bayhawks said: Eric Wood, Joe Thomas, Kam Chancellor, Zach Miller, Ryan Shazier, Cliff Avril, D'onta Foreman (possibly)-Just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others who weren't "big" names who found themselves released because of injuries who will never play in the NFL again. You should take Joe Thomas off that list. And that's a pretty short list when you consider almost 2,000 players 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
infantsam 41 Posted November 13, 2018 20 hours ago, Futeki said: It isn't that simple. Since he had a healthy year off without injury, his next contract should be larger than it would have been if run into the ground again. It is reasonable to argue Bell could extend his career by a year by avoiding back to back enormous work loads. Conner's emergence certainly was an unexpected complication. It is the one thing that could make Bell's not playing this year him hurt him financially. Where does he go for 17+ million that they don't give him the ball and the injury risk is zero? The assumption that Pittsburgh is somehow more dangerous to RB's is unlikely to hold water. Show me numbers. Playing RB hurts. And - the emerging Conner is/was here to take some load. In the interest of a less annoying argument - I concur he should get as much money/security etc as possible. But it looks like he or his agent was so arrogantly insistent on the last $50 that he pissed away $5000. And I blame his handler's whomever they are. Say it however you want but he failed and tried to hold Pittsburgh up. Walk in room - get roughly $1 million per week with 20-ish weeks guaranteed with a bunch more if things work out. Haggle over 20 or 21 or 19 weeks + some performance and injury clauses - then go to bar and party like a rock star. Doing it while in Pittsburgh trying to win a Super Bowl is pure gravy. This is why Pittsburgh will always compete for titles. Just like NE, GB and a few other teams they realize it takes . They get rid of most of the dumb-asses and rarely get caught up in significant drama. We'll take our licks replacing Ben in a few years but once we do that we'll be right back in the mix EVERY DAMN YEAR. I would suppose that they are completely confounded by Bell's inability to actually pick a story and stick to it and just want out. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
biju 292 Posted November 13, 2018 8 hours ago, Bayhawks said: Eric Wood, Joe Thomas, Kam Chancellor, Zach Miller, Ryan Shazier, Cliff Avril, D'onta Foreman (possibly)-Just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others who weren't "big" names who found themselves released because of injuries who will never play in the NFL again. Actually, he's still on the Seahawks roster and getting paid his full salary this year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msommer 7,536 Posted November 13, 2018 14 hours ago, Bayhawks said: Eric Wood, Joe Thomas, Kam Chancellor, Zach Miller, Ryan Shazier, Cliff Avril, D'onta Foreman (possibly)-Just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others who weren't "big" names who found themselves released because of injuries who will never play in the NFL again. 7 (6 if not counting Chancellor) that we can name out of over 1500. That is less than one percent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arodin 2,921 Posted November 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, msommer said: 7 (6 if not counting Chancellor) that we can name out of over 1500. That is less than one percent. Technically 7 out of the far-smaller-than-1500 pool of players the average fantasy fan has heard of and would recognize. When you get to the back half of an NFL roster I’m not sure we have enough info to distinguish between “player was waived with an injury settlement that ended their career” and “player was waived with an injury settlement and not signed because he wasn’t good enough to make a roster.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheWinz 1,083 Posted November 13, 2018 41 minutes ago, msommer said: 7 (6 if not counting Chancellor) that we can name out of over 1500. That is less than one percent. You do realize that you are counting kickers, punters, clipboard holders, and guys that are backups to backups, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msommer 7,536 Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, TheWinz said: You do realize that you are counting kickers, punters, clipboard holders, and guys that are backups to backups, right? You think they don't get injured? Anyway, it's a long way up to e.g. 5% Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grahamburn 1,626 Posted November 13, 2018 On 11/11/2018 at 12:31 PM, Doug B said: Good post. The 2019 Bucs are a team that no one is talking about regarding Bell ... and they could definitely use the firepower. The rest of their division has their franchise backs and then some. It would be so Bucs to give this clown mega dollars. They DO have several large contracts they can jettison in the off-season with no cap hit. Gerald McCoy and DeSean Jackson to name a few. That's $24M right there. If they don't pick up Jameis' option there's another $21M. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bayhawks 2,190 Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) One, I just threw guys out off the top of my head that I knew got hurt last year and are no longer playing. I'm sure if someone wanted to go through the entirety of the players in the NFL and cross-reference them with their injuries and current status, that info is available somewhere. Two, picking nits with regards to guys like Chancellor is just silly. Yes, he's still on Seattle's roster, but his career is over, barring some miraculous comeback. The same is true of Shazier; he's still getting paid by the Steelers, but unfortunately, his career is likely over. The point is that there is a risk of injury by playing this game. Chancellor and Shazier happened to have contracts beyond last year when they were hurt, and (I'm presuming) some/all of those contracts were guaranteed against injury. Players like Dez, Earl Thomas, and Bell (if he had played under the 2nd franchise tag) don't have that security. Third, by trying to only discuss career-ending injuries, we are ignoring the reality that an injury doesn't have to be career-ending to cost Bell money. For example-if Bell had played this year, and blew out his achilles last week like Dez did, (or like Foreman did at about this point last year), he would have likely seen any future contract shrink considerably. Consider the fact that no RB has returned to his previous form after an achilles tear, that Bell would be entering into his age 27 season with a destroyed achilles, and wouldn't be ready (in all likelihood) for week 1 of the 2019 season. There's no way he would have gotten a big, long-term deal in that scenario. The decision to forego the 2018 season and protect himself against injury was done to protect his shot at his one big contract with serious guaranteed money. Edited November 13, 2018 by Bayhawks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steeler 2,186 Posted November 13, 2018 Only 5 more hours to go guys! Keep up the good fight no matter which side you are on 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boilerdave 495 Posted November 13, 2018 The bad news is if he doesn’t report today I’ll know I have zero chance using him in the FF playoffs. The good news is I won’t have to come in this thread again for the rest of the season. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
One 223 Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Steeler said: Only 5 more hours to go guys! Keep up the good fight no matter which side you are on I feel strongly this thread will have an effect on Bell's outcome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fantasycurse42 7,044 Posted November 13, 2018 He has until 4pm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizzy 696 Posted November 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, fantasycurse42 said: He has until 4pm? Correct. 4pm EST to be exact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Efritch4 61 Posted November 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, fantasycurse42 said: He has until 4pm? Yes 4 eastern time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nipsey 3,489 Posted November 13, 2018 Le'Veon watch: Live cam outside Steelers headquarters Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four 400 Posted November 13, 2018 35 minutes ago, Nipsey said: Le'Veon watch: Live cam outside Steelers headquarters Seriously? That's amazing, in a very sarcastic way. Literally sitting there watching the plants blow in the wind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lod001 3,959 Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Nipsey said: Le'Veon watch: Live cam outside Steelers headquarters There he is! Oh, wait. that's bigfoot. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rafbennett 11 Posted November 13, 2018 just here cause i own conner ? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Don't Noonan 4,511 Posted November 13, 2018 can't wait for him to show up just before the dead line Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iamkoza 449 Posted November 13, 2018 this whole situation has me totally confused. now i am reading he'll be an unrestricted free agent next year? why wasnt that reported week 1? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Godsbrother 5,429 Posted November 13, 2018 Just now, iamkoza said: this whole situation has me totally confused. now i am reading he'll be an unrestricted free agent next year? why wasnt that reported week 1? He will be an unrestricted free agent unless the Steelers throw the franchise tag on him again. They could also use the Transition Tag to retain the right of first refusal but I don't seem them doing either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steeler 2,186 Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, iamkoza said: this whole situation has me totally confused. now i am reading he'll be an unrestricted free agent next year? why wasnt that reported week 1? Already covered - the sports media was too lazy to read the CBA (as was adisa bakari apparently). Edited November 13, 2018 by Steeler Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Godsbrother 5,429 Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said: Seriously? That's amazing, in a very sarcastic way. Literally sitting there watching the plants blow in the wind. The rumor is that he meant to show up today but Legarrette Blount came over and they've been smoking weed all day. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dnurk 80 Posted November 13, 2018 4pm EDT. Can we shut this down now officially? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bojang0301 2,246 Posted November 13, 2018 Please let this die until the offseason. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skoo 6,460 Posted November 13, 2018 IT'S REALLY REAL THIS TIME GUYS! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dnurk 80 Posted November 13, 2018 https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1062446265483583489?s=20 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hilts 4,297 Posted November 13, 2018 Loooooool 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brianj74 42 Posted November 13, 2018 Fire this thread back up, post Super Bowl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timschochet 24,441 Posted November 13, 2018 I haven’t read a lot of this thread but I have to say, despite everything I’ve heard about this I’m really stunned by this news. I don’t see how he benefits from his decisions this season in any way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ditkaless Wonders 15,081 Posted November 13, 2018 Thank you Mr. Bell. You just made the last weeks of my fantasy season much more manageable. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheWinz 1,083 Posted November 13, 2018 Yay! I don't have to read about Bell until I select him in next year's subscriber contest for $4, same as Conner this year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fantasycurse42 7,044 Posted November 13, 2018 Choo Choo James Conner Choo Choo ? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grahamburn 1,626 Posted November 13, 2018 Good for him. Stick to your guns, Lev. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bryhamm 729 Posted November 13, 2018 Would be funny as hell if the Steelers came out and said ... after further consideration, we feel confident that we can tag him again next year at the 2nd year rate and we'll settle it in arbitration. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nipsey 3,489 Posted November 13, 2018 This whole thing played out like when someone makes an obvious mistake but they don't want to admit it's a mistake for fear of looking stupid so they keep pretending they meant to do the original thing that was an obvious mistake. The most boneheaded move in the history of sports made exponentially worse by his silence. Screwed himself out of tens of millions of dollars, not to mention the hit to his off-field earning potential. Went from being seen as a great player/potential hall-of-famer to forever being seen as the guy who did this. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizzy 696 Posted November 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Nipsey said: This whole thing played out like when someone makes an obvious mistake but they don't want to admit it's a mistake for fear of looking stupid so they keep pretending they meant to do the original thing that was an obvious mistake. The most boneheaded move in the history of sports made exponentially worse by his silence. Screwed himself out of tens of millions of dollars, not to mention the hit to his off-field earning potential. Went from being seen as a great player/potential hall-of-famer to forever being seen as the guy who did this. You talk about him like he's dead. ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeSteeler 2,408 Posted November 13, 2018 44 minutes ago, Godsbrother said: He will be an unrestricted free agent unless the Steelers throw the franchise tag on him again. They could also use the Transition Tag to retain the right of first refusal but I don't seem them doing either. If they franchise him again what is the salary? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeroy Jenkins 2,432 Posted November 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, bryhamm said: Would be funny as hell if the Steelers came out and said ... after further consideration, we feel confident that we can tag him again next year at the 2nd year rate and we'll settle it in arbitration. This 100% is going to get litigated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anarchy99 4,118 Posted November 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, JoeSteeler said: If they franchise him again what is the salary? The average salary of the Top 5 QB's. So north of $25 million. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ghostguy123 3,020 Posted November 13, 2018 Guessing he came to Pittsburgh to make the Steelers think he would sign, hoping they badly didn't want him to sign, hoping they would rescind the tag. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bryhamm 729 Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said: This 100% is going to get litigated. Last week it didn't sound like the Steelers or NFL would pursue it. But who knows when time comes this spring. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites