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I saw no pics of Russini in that link.Russini reporting Bell getting $11-12 mil per year offers: https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/1105540864812695552?s=21
First off: Russini
Secondly:
I saw no pics of Russini in that link.Russini reporting Bell getting $11-12 mil per year offers: https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/1105540864812695552?s=21
First off: Russini
Secondly:
What are the odds he would've had a career ending injury last season?it doesn't have to be anywhere close to that that to make it a good decision....
This has been beaten to death, hard for some people to grasp for whatever reason (hate makes for good blinders I guess?).I can't believe how so many of the "bad business decision" guys seem to totally disregard the lack of security there is playing on a one year contract with no future guaranteed money.....and how while yes he missed out on making $15 one year....there is a real chance he will make that plus a bunch more by sitting out a year....
the fact that he could have played last year for $15 mil but then NEVER MADE ANOTHER NFL PENNY should not be lost on anybody....its a big deal.....
I MUST know more about this secret locker. I'm picturing a row of locker and Ben just disappearing into them as reporters are approaching, leaving them confused like a dog trying to track a fake ball throw.I've stayed out of these threads for the most part, and there has been plenty of back and forth on who is to blame, should there be blame, what is blame, what does it mean for the sport, yadayada. But ~two years ago I read about Big Ben's private hidden locker within his regular locker at home games. He convinced ownership to install a false door, secret compartment in the locker room where Ben could go to get away from everyone. I am not here to defend anyone, or to blame anyone, truth is I don't have the first ####### clue about any of these people and what kind of people they are in private. But Ben gets his own safe space in the locker room, and that screams dysfunction to me. Even if it is fair, even if he has earned it. Something is burning there. Or was. Maybe it is on all sides. IDK, don't necessarily care, but the secret locker is one of the craziest things I've ever heard of in sports. Some would defend it, some would hate it, but I wonder if a divided locker room is inevitable if a hidden and (not) secret locker is installed for the QB. My ten cents. Now will somebody please tell Bell to sign somewhere? The suspense is killing me.
He is already beyond the shelf life of an NFL RB. Seems pretty likely he could have damaged his future earning potential.What are the odds he would've had a career ending injury last season?
There were how many RBs in the NFL last season, maybe 150? How many had career ending injuries?
One thing I can say with 100% certainty is that he won't get that 26th year of his life back (and the $15mm that was supposed to accompany it) - there is a reason he is the first guy since 1998 (?) that sat on a franchise tag - bc it's an absolutely idiotic financial decision.
I honestly think anyone on the "good business decision to sit the year" side of this argument scored a sub 400 on the math portion of their SATs.He is already beyond the shelf life of an NFL RB. Seems pretty likely he could have damaged his future earning potential.
The fact that he could have gotten hurt training, or in some accident, or an illness, could have prevented him from making ANYTHING else, let along the 15 million last year, is a big dealI can't believe how so many of the "bad business decision" guys seem to totally disregard the lack of security there is playing on a one year contract with no future guaranteed money.....and how while yes he missed out on making $15 one year....there is a real chance he will make that plus a bunch more by sitting out a year....
the fact that he could have played last year for $15 mil but then NEVER MADE ANOTHER NFL PENNY should not be lost on anybody....its a big deal.....
not to sound snarky....but the only one worrying about the odds would be the person having to make the decision....for you...you may want to roll the dice and play whatever odds you think are worth it....he might think a .000001 % chance is too much.....there have been guys that got hurt and never played again....it only takes one playWhat are the odds he would've had a career ending injury last season?
There were how many RBs in the NFL last season, maybe 150? How many had career ending injuries?
One thing I can say with 100% certainty is that he won't get that 26th year of his life back (and the $15mm that was supposed to accompany it) - there is a reason he is the first guy since 1998 (?) that sat on a franchise tag - bc it's an absolutely idiotic financial decision.
It was a fail but the problem wasn't the offense it was the defense. All of the money spent on offense didn't leave much for the defense and it also didn't help when their best defensive player suffered a career ending injury.Oh and Steeler fans still don't get it. QB's like Big Ben are rare. Wasting the prime years is a big deal. The Steelers had the best WR/RB duo in the NFL and an elite QB together for 4-5 years and didn't win a SB. Big fail.
Those college guys haven't inked a dollar, this guy would've inked $15mm for 16 games, plus had a pretty iron clad insurance agreement as a safety valve in case the highly highly unlikely scenario of a career ending injury.not to sound snarky....but the only one worrying about the odds would be the person having to make the decision....for you...you may want to roll the dice and play whatever odds you think are worth it....he might think a .000001 % chance is too much.....there have been guys that got hurt and never played again....it only takes one play
lots of players are making business decisions because of possible injury.....we have college guys sitting out bowl games because they don't want to get hurt.....that never used to happen either....
Exactly. Some people are too risk adverse to fly.not to sound snarky....but the only one worrying about the odds would be the person having to make the decision....for you...you may want to roll the dice and play whatever odds you think are worth it....he might think a .000001 % chance is too much.....there have been guys that got hurt and never played again....it only takes one play
lots of players are making business decisions because of possible injury.....we have college guys sitting out bowl games because they don't want to get hurt.....that never used to happen either....
Every good player would make significantly more money if they continuously signed a new 1 year contract every year, yet they all elect to take significantly less money for long term deals despite the low chance of a major injury.What are the odds he would've had a career ending injury last season?
There were how many RBs in the NFL last season, maybe 150? How many had career ending injuries?
One thing I can say with 100% certainty is that he won't get that 26th year of his life back (and the $15mm that was supposed to accompany it) - there is a reason he is the first guy since 1998 (?) that sat on a franchise tag - bc it's an absolutely idiotic financial decision.
well yeah, cause after the guarantees now they can just act like a jackass and get paid againEvery good player would make significantly more money if they continuously signed a new 1 year contract every year, yet they all elect to take significantly less money for long term deals despite the low chance of a major injury.
Yet he goes out and plays pickup basketball games - who the #### knows what else he was doing?Exactly. Some people are too risk adverse to fly.
That, and those players have a choice. Bell did not have the option to go for a multi year deal once the tag was locked in.Every good player would make significantly more money if they continuously signed a new 1 year contract every year, yet they all elect to take significantly less money for long term deals despite the low chance of a major injury.
His own backup came up lame last year.I honestly think anyone on the "good business decision to sit the year" side of this argument scored a sub 400 on the math portion of their SATs.
ETA: I'd assume most NFL agents are over 400 on that, hence why everyone plays on the tag - gonna need to check his agents score.
do you think he will be the last?Yet he goes out and plays pickup basketball games - who the #### knows what else he was doing?
He was given bad advice by a bad agent and was the first guy to punt the season on a tag in a very long time...
Had he signed the Steelers long term offer last year he would have already made $12 million in 2017, $12.5 million in 2018 and another $12 million in 2019. That is $36+ million in three years.Those college guys haven't inked a dollar, this guy would've inked $15mm for 16 games, plus had a pretty iron clad insurance agreement as a safety valve in case the highly highly unlikely scenario of a career ending injury.
If he signs a fully guaranteed $60mm contract, no.do you think he will be the last?
Bc it is some of the most elementary math combined with statistics to determine why his decision was terrible. Honestly, at this point, I think anyone arguing against is trolling.His own backup came up lame last year.
It isn't about the optimum result, it was about securing the next contract.
Not sure what the SATs have to do with this, but I guess that is what you have to work with here.
Much like the AB saga, I just want it to end.I love where this thread is going. I hope he doesn’t sign until August.
Arguing what.Bc it is some of the most elementary math combined with statistics to determine why his decision was terrible. Honestly, at this point, I think anyone arguing against is trolling.
I get paid way too much to do way too little at work... I need to pass my time somehow.Why is the argument from 30 pages ago being re-hashed again? Some of you just love to argue.
Because all the people who didn't think it was an obviously horrible decision think that somehow a big contract right now would justify the decision. I do not.Why is the argument from 30 pages ago being re-hashed again? Some of you just love to argue.
go whack off in the bathroom instead of ruining yet another thread.I get paid way too much to do way too little at work... I need to pass my time somehow.
...and the Jets would still be waiting by the phone.I love where this thread is going. I hope he doesn’t sign until August.
Hahababababah .....go whack off in the bathroom instead of ruining yet another thread.
Would you prefer we discuss the weather?go whack off in the bathroom instead of ruining yet another thread.
Sure - go start a thread in the FFA about weather report. Thanks for understanding.Would you prefer we discuss the weather?
I would take the 15 million and then go find another job.@fantasycurse42
since you make so much money....this seems like a good one for you
Joe Boss: hey Fantasy Curse I'm going to give you two options
fantasycurse: cool....whats up
JB: Option A....I'm going to pay you $15 mil next year....but after that you are on your own no matter what happens while you are working for me....
FC: ok cool....but whats my other option...?
JB: well you don't work for me next year....and in fact you don't work for anybody next year....but....the year after that, my brother, Bill Boss, is going to hire you and he is going to hire you for 3 years and pay you $45 mil ($15 mil each year) and guarantee that you will get $30 mil of that even if you get hurt on your first day of the job with him and can't ever work again....
WWFCDO....?
It's a financial risk model. I don't keep all of my money in Savings. There is a real chance that the stock market might blow up, but that chance isn't worth forgoing the long term gains from the stock market investments.I can't believe how so many of the "bad business decision" guys seem to totally disregard the lack of security there is playing on a one year contract with no future guaranteed money.....and how while yes he missed out on making $15 one year....there is a real chance he will make that plus a bunch more by sitting out a year....
the fact that he could have played last year for $15 mil but then NEVER MADE ANOTHER NFL PENNY should not be lost on anybody....its a big deal.....
LOL! Now that's funny stuff.Because all the people who didn't think it was an obviously horrible decision think that somehow a big contract right now would justify the decision. I do not.
If I shot myself in the head right now, but lived, and in the process of rehab at the hospital I met my future wife, then on the way home from the hospital I stopped and bought the winning lotto ticket, then woohoo, shooting myself in the head a terrific decision.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21240450/pittsburgh-steelers-quarterback-ben-roethlisberger-hiding-plain-sightI MUST know more about this secret locker. I'm picturing a row of locker and Ben just disappearing into them as reporters are approaching, leaving them confused like a dog trying to track a fake ball throw.
Why not do both?@fantasycurse42
since you make so much money....this seems like a good one for you
Joe Boss: hey Fantasy Curse I'm going to give you two options
fantasycurse: cool....whats up
JB: Option A....I'm going to pay you $15 mil next year....but after that you are on your own no matter what happens while you are working for me....
FC: ok cool....but whats my other option...?
JB: well you don't work for me next year....and in fact you don't work for anybody next year....but....the year after that, my brother, Bill Boss, is going to hire you and he is going to hire you for 3 years and pay you $45 mil ($15 mil each year) and guarantee that you will get $30 mil of that even if you get hurt on your first day of the job with him and can't ever work again....
WWFCDO....?
Is this really your hypothetical Are you 14?@fantasycurse42
since you make so much money....this seems like a good one for you
Joe Boss: hey Fantasy Curse I'm going to give you two options
fantasycurse: cool....whats up
JB: Option A....I'm going to pay you $15 mil next year....but after that you are on your own no matter what happens while you are working for me....
FC: ok cool....but whats my other option...?
JB: well you don't work for me next year....and in fact you don't work for anybody next year....but....the year after that, my brother, Bill Boss, is going to hire you and he is going to hire you for 3 years and pay you $45 mil ($15 mil each year) and guarantee that you will get $30 mil of that even if you get hurt on your first day of the job with him and can't ever work again....
WWFCDO....?
it wouldn't even have to be a career ending injury....any type of injury could have a significant impact on his future earnings/size of contract/guarantees.....a lisfranc, a week 16 ACL....etc....all he did was secure his next contract which is going to be very large and even better have guarantees.....if he blows a knee last year, his contracts and guarantees would not be as good....It's a financial risk model. I don't keep all of my money in Savings. There is a real chance that the stock market might blow up, but that chance isn't worth forgoing the long term gains from the stock market investments.
This has been beaten to death already though. It's just not that black and white, and I think the better move mathematically is to take the tag money barring a really high chance of serious injury.
Is this when someone chimes in with "But what if instead of shooting yourself in the head you chose to continue on as normal, and a giant Joe Dirt frozen poop ball landed on you and broke your neck? This time the nurse is fugly, the lotto ticket lost, and your new in-laws are Trumpsters."?Because all the people who didn't think it was an obviously horrible decision think that somehow a big contract right now would justify the decision. I do not.
If I shot myself in the head right now, but lived, and in the process of rehab at the hospital I met my future wife, then on the way home from the hospital I stopped and bought the winning lotto ticket, then woohoo, shooting myself in the head a terrific decision.
They wouldnt need to be since he would have just earned 15 millionit wouldn't even have to be a career ending injury....any type of injury could have a significant impact on his future earnings/size of contract/guarantees.....a lisfranc, a week 16 ACL....etc....all he did was secure his next contract which is going to be very large and even better have guarantees.....if he blows a knee last year, his contracts and guarantees would not be as good....
if I say yes will you answer....didn't think soIs this really your hypothetical Are you 14?
flawedThey wouldnt need to be since he would have just earned 15 million
Alrighty. I guess he could have also made MORE money because team just saw him play rather than get fat and smoke weed for a yearflawed