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The way I look at things they're fairly similar, yes. Bush was 13 pounds heavier at the same height and his NCAA performance was better than Bell's though, so if not for the injury I think he'd have been a considerably better prospect than Bell.
That is because Lewis had sub 4.4 speed. The comparison is not close.
I think Bell will be a three down back, so he should not be compared with guys who don't catch the ball. Daniel Thomas should not be on that list either. I think he is somewhere in between Daniel Thomas and Steven Jackson, but definitely closer to Jackson. Dorsey Levens if I had to pick an old school comp.
Lewis did have more power but this is a comparison, not a copy off a fax machine. Lewis was extremely powerful in delivering the blows from the shoulders and Bell is a bit more fluid there and that is where he loses the punch at the finish. However, those same traits might make Bell a bit more dynamice over the course of a career. Lewis really had some years where he plodded, due to the ankle issue and jail time which prevented his ability to rehab properly.Overall, though, what you lose in raw power might be there to be made up in upper body nimbleness and that's not a bad thing. More than anything, the part I wanted to draw out is that he has that comparative big size but lighter feet and despite a slower 40 than a lot of backs (several people have made mention here of looking slow), he might still offer a lot. Jamal timed in the high 4.5's himself but he wasn't hurting once he hit that second level because of the power he had. Bell isn't Lewis but he's in that conversation. Again, location will be KEY, IMO.
I don't think Bush is. He has more power but a lot less control of his feet underneath him.
I'm sure you googled that and saw all the hits about him doing that once but he actually timed out at 4.58 at the combine.
Ht Game Rush Rk Player From To Draft Tm Lg Ht Wt BMI G GS Att Yds Y/A TD Y/G1 Jim Brown* 1957 1965 1-6 CLE NFL 6-2 232 29.8 118 118 2359 12312 5.22 106 104.32 Franco Harris* 1972 1984 1-13 TOT NFL 6-2 230 29.5 173 166 2949 12120 4.11 91 70.13 Fred Taylor 1998 2010 1-9 TOT NFL 6-1 234 30.9 153 137 2534 11695 4.62 66 76.44 John Riggins* 1971 1985 1-6 TOT NFL 6-2 230 29.5 175 157 2916 11352 3.89 104 64.95 Corey Dillon 1997 2006 2-43 TOT NFL 6-1 225 29.7 150 132 2618 11241 4.29 82 74.96 Ahman Green 1998 2009 3-76 TOT NFL 6-0 217 29.4 148 97 2056 9205 4.48 60 62.27 Herschel Walker 1986 1997 5-114 TOT NFL 6-1 225 29.7 187 138 1954 8225 4.21 61 44.08 Roger Craig 1983 1993 2-49 TOT NFL 6-0 222 30.1 165 133 1991 8189 4.11 56 49.69 Gerald Riggs 1982 1991 1-9 TOT NFL 6-1 230 30.3 129 73 1989 8188 4.12 69 63.510 Willis McGahee 2004 2012 1-23 TOT NFL 6-0 228 30.9 130 89 1957 8097 4.14 63 62.311 Stephen Davis 1996 2006 4-102 TOT NFL 6-0 230 31.2 143 102 1945 8052 4.14 65 56.312 Chris Warren 1990 2000 4-89 TOT NFL 6-2 228 29.3 162 91 1791 7696 4.30 52 47.513 Mike Pruitt 1976 1986 1-7 TOT NFL 6-0 222 30.1 152 112 1844 7378 4.00 51 48.514 George Rogers 1981 1987 1-1 TOT NFL 6-2 228 29.3 92 78 1692 7176 4.24 54 78.015 Antowain Smith 1997 2005 1-23 TOT NFL 6-2 232 29.8 131 75 1784 6881 3.86 54 52.516 Larry Johnson 2003 2011 1-27 TOT NFL 6-1 228 30.1 85 55 1427 6223 4.36 55 73.217 Deuce McAllister 2001 2008 1-23 NOR NFL 6-1 232 30.6 97 76 1429 6096 4.27 49 62.818 James Stewart 1995 2002 1-19 TOT NFL 6-1 224 29.6 101 69 1478 5841 3.95 48 57.819 Michael Pittman 1998 2008 4-95 TOT NFL 6-0 218 29.6 151 81 1392 5627 4.04 25 37.320 Jim Nance 1965 1973 4-4519-151AFL TOT TOT 6-1 235 31.0 101 66 1341 5401 4.03 45 53.521 John Brockington 1971 1977 1-9 TOT NFL 6-1 225 29.7 95 9 1347 5185 3.85 30 54.622 Kevin Mack 1985 1993 1-11 CLE NFL 6-0 224 30.4 99 82 1291 5123 3.97 46 51.723 Dorsey Levens 1994 2004 5-149 TOT NFL 6-1 230 30.3 144 58 1243 4955 3.99 36 34.424 Marion Motley* 1946 1955 TOT TOT 6-1 232 30.6 106 46 828 4720 5.70 31 44.525 Marv Hubbard 1969 1977 11-277 TOT TOT 6-1 225 29.7 103 58 951 4544 4.78 23 44.126 Rob Carpenter 1977 1986 3-84 TOT NFL 6-1 224 29.6 118 61 1172 4363 3.72 29 37.027 Jim Otis 1970 1978 9-218 TOT NFL 6-0 220 29.8 116 16 1160 4350 3.75 19 37.528 Tony Galbreath 1976 1987 2-32 TOT NFL 6-0 228 30.9 170 58 1031 4072 3.95 34 24.029 Mike Anderson 2000 2007 6-189 TOT NFL 6-0 230 31.2 98 51 919 4067 4.43 37 41.530 Alan Ameche 1955 1960 1-3 CLT NFL 6-0 218 29.6 70 0 964 4045 4.20 40 57.831 Edgar Bennett 1992 1999 4-103 TOT NFL 6-0 217 29.4 112 76 1115 3992 3.58 21 35.632 Leonard Russell 1991 1996 1-14 TOT NFL 6-2 240 30.8 85 71 1164 3973 3.41 29 46.733 Anthony Thomas 2001 2007 2-38 TOT NFL 6-2 228 29.3 87 43 1044 3891 3.73 23 44.734 Randy McMillan 1981 1986 1-12 CLT NFL 6-0 219 29.7 88 88 990 3876 3.92 24 44.035 Hoyle Granger 1966 1972 4-635-37AFL TOT TOT 6-1 225 29.7 83 0 805 3653 4.54 19 44.036 James R. Jones 1983 1992 1-13 TOT NFL 6-2 229 29.4 135 91 1010 3626 3.59 26 26.937 Tom Woodeshick 1963 1972 8-1024-28AFL TOT NFL 6-0 225 30.5 115 4 836 3577 4.28 21 31.138 DeShaun Foster 2003 2008 2-34 TOT NFL 6-0 222 30.1 79 42 927 3570 3.85 11 45.239 Cullen Bryant 1973 1987 2-31 TOT NFL 6-1 234 30.9 153 71 849 3264 3.84 20 21.340 Amos Marsh 1961 1967 TOT NFL 6-0 218 29.6 95 27 750 3222 4.30 25 33.9
Can't run over people any more. New rules.
Didnt have to google what I remember. Lewis was three inches shorter at 240, so their body types aren't even similar. Nor is their running style. Lewis basically chopped his feet until he saw something and then exploded with what looked like sub 4.4 speed. Given his dimensions it made him much more dificult to tackle him once he got going. Bell is much more agile and creative than Lewis. Steven Jackson is the closest comp.
Not even close to being right.But I'm assuming this was a joke?
Lamar?
Lamar, you big dummy! No, wait, that's Lamont! (I realize about 5% of this forum is old enough to get that reference but you just don't get too many chances to reference Sanford & Son these days.
We're gonna find out.
'LIZABETH!'Shutout said:Lamar, you big dummy! No, wait, that's Lamont! (I realize about 5% of this forum is old enough to get that reference but you just don't get too many chances to reference Sanford & Son these days.'TheFanatic said:'monk said:
combine numbers are the only ones that are reliable
Depending on who you toss as an outlier on the low end, two inches is 25% of the entire range (66"-74") for a RB's height. Just like .06 is roughly 15% of the typical 40 range for RBs (~4.30 to 4.70). Those differences seem small because that's how we're used to thinking of them, but the entire premise of what I'm doing is that these aren't minor differences. Or, more specifically, that some of these differences are in fact not just relevant, but decisive. And when you isolate the decisive differences (so that they are the only difference between two groups of players) you can see them pretty clearly.
Maybe I should wait for your future post, then. Foster is in the same height range as the Bell comparables that you listed (over 6', and taller than Gerhart or Daniel Thomas), so there must be something more going on than just height. Interesting that Alfred Morris seems like a similar type of back as Foster (they're among the few successful big slow backs), when he is almost 3 inches shorter.
Not in this case, because Lewis was a lot faster than 4.58.
Break tackles! I must admit, Murray was not even on my radar. Seems to have pretty good agility, but seems to lose all power when he has to make a move and goes down too easily. He is a supersized speed back. I'd still prefer Bell, but Murray's pro day suggest he is definitely someone I need to keep tabs on, so thank you.
What are you basing your speed for SJAX And LJ on? Neither ran at the combine which negates an apples to apples comparison. SJAX may not have been 100% healthy during his pro day but both of his runs were over 4.5. I don't see much difference between a combine 4.6 and pro day 4.5+. LJ ran a sub 4.5 at his pro day and I've no doubt he's faster than Bell just not sure if that's much of a difference.
I don't think he was throwing him under the bus, I think people read that wrong. He said that because he's always preaching about the need for a factor back. So when he said this is not even my pick he was not bashing Bell I think he was more or less commenting on the irony of how much emphasis he puts on the RB position. That's how I read it anyway.
You are correct.I don't think he was throwing him under the bus, I think people read that wrong. He said that because he's always preaching about the need for a factor back. So when he said this is not even my pick he was not bashing Bell I think he was more or less commenting on the irony of how much emphasis he puts on the RB position. That's how I read it anyway.
No your memory is working just fine. Wells showed he was damaged goods before even coming into the Nfl and worse he has poor work ethic and a lack of motivation to play through minor injuries. Despite physical abilities that one looks for Wells was a bad prospect because of the intangibles that came with him.
Hoge has always been a tool but he nailed this one. Bell isn't powerful, quick, or elusive. They drafted a decent pass blocker
Bell has the 11th best 3 cone time for all RB in the combine since 2006. To say he is not elusive is exactly the kind of comment I would expect out of a clueless guy like Hodge however who never really recovered from all of those concussions.Hoge has always been a tool but he nailed this one. Bell isn't powerful, quick, or elusive. They drafted a decent pass blocker
We do agree Hoge has always been a tool but you are reading this 100% wrong. He was not putting Bell down, not even the slightest. The reverse in fact.Hoge has always been a tool but he nailed this one. Bell isn't powerful, quick, or elusive. They drafted a decent pass blocker
I was higher on him than most because he's nimble for his size, but he doesn't make much happen on his own or go outside. He'll excel with good blocking up the middle since he doesn't waste much time hitting the hole and has some moves to make people miss. I don't think the Steelers expect him to be the next Bettis but he's a solid RB for what they need.
