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yeah, whole lotta guys had a huge swing and a miss on this guy and the draft class in general. if Bell doesn't miss three games to start the season, we could very well have had three rookie RB's in the top 12 in PPR which would be the best rookie RB class in a LONG time in terms of Fantasy despite none going in the first round.
Yep - is this now a RBBC? Any way you cut it - Blount's arrival is not good for Bell
Blount is no Felix Jones or J. Dwyer. He's a 1000+ yard 10+ TD running back. Bell had top 3-5 upside for me this season. He could have been the top PPR RB. If Blount is taking GL caries he can easily take away 1-2 ppg from Bell. And then there is the risk that Blount just has the "hot hand" 2-3 games this year. He probably should be ranked 10+ now. I'm not selling, because I think he is one of the most gifted, put together backs in the league but ####
Potentially being THE top PPR RB is now off the table completely. I agree with you. I'm just pouting.
Hopefully it means bell as the 3rd down rb though. Maybe Pitt wants to wear down defensesPotentially being THE top PPR RB is now off the table completely. I agree with you. I'm just pouting.
I hear you. IMO, Blount is what he is. A pounder that could vulture some TD's and carries here and there. MY bigger concern is that mediocre YPC that Bell produced LY. Still cant put my finger on if its O-line failure or Bell showing some T-Rich like tendencies (combo of both?). I think Bell has shown to be rock solid in recpt's and has even more to come (see no TD's on 40+ recpts LY).Potentially being THE top PPR RB is now off the table completely. I agree with you. I'm just pouting.
Not sure why anyone would have had Bell as the premier PPR RB anyways when they could be choosing Gio or Charles who had much better chances of being that guy. Blount or not.Potentially being THE top PPR RB is now off the table completely. I agree with you. I'm just pouting.
It's both. Rookie RBs have to learn to avoid contact and the OL was handicapped. His ypc will at least regress to the mean.I hear you. IMO, Blount is what he is. A pounder that could vulture some TD's and carries here and there. MY bigger concern is that mediocre YPC that Bell produced LY. Still cant put my finger on if its O-line failure or Bell showing some T-Rich like tendencies (combo of both?). I think Bell has shown to be rock solid in recpt's and has even more to come (see no TD's on 40+ recpts LY).Potentially being THE top PPR RB is now off the table completely. I agree with you. I'm just pouting.
I think it's a good sign for Bell. They needed a tenderizer, and Blount can be that at the GL, to spell Bell, and to close out games.
2012 was the year of QBs. 2013 could be the year for RBs. This year it's WRs from the looks of things. That's cool. If we can get a TE run I'd be great.
Weren't we saying the same thing about the 2012 class about this time last year?
spoken like a Blount owner...keep on that sales train
Bell averaged 3.5 ypc....that's horrible. I remember when trich had a questionable ypc his rookie year and everyone scoffed at it. They pointed to LT's rookie year...but I bet now they think it's important.spoken like a Blount owner...keep on that sales train
You meant Charles and MCCOY?Not sure why anyone would have had Bell as the premier PPR RB anyways when they could be choosing Gio or Charles who had much better chances of being that guy. Blount or not.Potentially being THE top PPR RB is now off the table completely. I agree with you. I'm just pouting.
Nope I meant what I said. That is why I said it. But yes McCoy would be a better prospect for THE top PPR RB than Bell was as well.You meant Charles and MCCOY?Not sure why anyone would have had Bell as the premier PPR RB anyways when they could be choosing Gio or Charles who had much better chances of being that guy. Blount or not.Potentially being THE top PPR RB is now off the table completely. I agree with you. I'm just pouting.
http://pickingpros.com/nfl/running-back-receiving-leaders.php
The truth is, for all the research and analysis, a lot of times you might as well just pick the names out of a hat. People like EBF and many others on here crack me up with their false certainty on prospects. I've largely given up on trying to figure it out and have decided to basically just follow the NFL's lead.
po·ten·tialNope I meant what I said. That is why I said it. But yes McCoy would be a better prospect for THE top PPR RB than Bell was as well.You meant Charles and MCCOY?Not sure why anyone would have had Bell as the premier PPR RB anyways when they could be choosing Gio or Charles who had much better chances of being that guy. Blount or not.Potentially being THE top PPR RB is now off the table completely. I agree with you. I'm just pouting.
Did you mean what you said with that statement?
http://pickingpros.com/nfl/running-back-receiving-leaders.php
Building Bell up to be something he never was to tear him down does not seem like a very honest way to discuss him.
I think EBF does a good job - but the intangibles separate the great from the good/average.
Bell never was nor should have ever been considered THE number 1 RB in any format and certainly not in PPR as you suggested. You are all by yourself thinking that he had the potential to become that.po·ten·tialNope I meant what I said. That is why I said it. But yes McCoy would be a better prospect for THE top PPR RB than Bell was as well.You meant Charles and MCCOY?Not sure why anyone would have had Bell as the premier PPR RB anyways when they could be choosing Gio or Charles who had much better chances of being that guy. Blount or not.Potentially being THE top PPR RB is now off the table completely. I agree with you. I'm just pouting.
Did you mean what you said with that statement?
http://pickingpros.com/nfl/running-back-receiving-leaders.php
Building Bell up to be something he never was to tear him down does not seem like a very honest way to discuss him.
adjective
NAME SEAS AGE WEIGHT GMS ATTS RYDS YPC RTDS RECS recYDS recTDS
- 1.
having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future
Le'Veon Bell 2013 21 230 13 18.77 66.15 3.52 0.62 3.46 31.15 0.00
Giovani Bernard 2013 22 202 16 10.69 42.56 3.98 0.31 3.50 32.12 0.19
What's your point?
Yet he was just as productive as YOUR guy Gio in the passing game. lol ThanksBell never was nor should have ever been considered THE number 1 RB in any format and certainly not in PPR as you suggested. You are all by yourself thinking that he had the potential to become that.po·ten·tialNope I meant what I said. That is why I said it. But yes McCoy would be a better prospect for THE top PPR RB than Bell was as well.You meant Charles and MCCOY?Not sure why anyone would have had Bell as the premier PPR RB anyways when they could be choosing Gio or Charles who had much better chances of being that guy. Blount or not.Potentially being THE top PPR RB is now off the table completely. I agree with you. I'm just pouting.
Did you mean what you said with that statement?
http://pickingpros.com/nfl/running-back-receiving-leaders.php
Building Bell up to be something he never was to tear him down does not seem like a very honest way to discuss him.
adjective
NAME SEAS AGE WEIGHT GMS ATTS RYDS YPC RTDS RECS recYDS recTDS
- 1.
having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future
Le'Veon Bell 2013 21 230 13 18.77 66.15 3.52 0.62 3.46 31.15 0.00
Giovani Bernard 2013 22 202 16 10.69 42.56 3.98 0.31 3.50 32.12 0.19
What's your point?
I do not think even you ever thought that.
Because you are wrong?Yet he was just as productive as YOUR guy Gio in the passing game. lol ThanksBell never was nor should have ever been considered THE number 1 RB in any format and certainly not in PPR as you suggested. You are all by yourself thinking that he had the potential to become that.po·ten·tialNope I meant what I said. That is why I said it. But yes McCoy would be a better prospect for THE top PPR RB than Bell was as well.You meant Charles and MCCOY?Not sure why anyone would have had Bell as the premier PPR RB anyways when they could be choosing Gio or Charles who had much better chances of being that guy. Blount or not.Potentially being THE top PPR RB is now off the table completely. I agree with you. I'm just pouting.
Did you mean what you said with that statement?
http://pickingpros.com/nfl/running-back-receiving-leaders.php
Building Bell up to be something he never was to tear him down does not seem like a very honest way to discuss him.
adjective
NAME SEAS AGE WEIGHT GMS ATTS RYDS YPC RTDS RECS recYDS recTDS
- 1.
having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future
Le'Veon Bell 2013 21 230 13 18.77 66.15 3.52 0.62 3.46 31.15 0.00
Giovani Bernard 2013 22 202 16 10.69 42.56 3.98 0.31 3.50 32.12 0.19
What's your point?
I do not think even you ever thought that.
And people ask me why I don't care to discus players talent on this board anymore smh
That's kind of part of it though. The biggest factor is not measurable and I don't care how much "film" you watch or what their BMI is.
Nah, history says I'm right more often than not. The overconfidence in post like this is just annoying.Because you are wrong?Yet he was just as productive as YOUR guy Gio in the passing game. lol ThanksBell never was nor should have ever been considered THE number 1 RB in any format and certainly not in PPR as you suggested. You are all by yourself thinking that he had the potential to become that.po·ten·tialNope I meant what I said. That is why I said it. But yes McCoy would be a better prospect for THE top PPR RB than Bell was as well.You meant Charles and MCCOY?Not sure why anyone would have had Bell as the premier PPR RB anyways when they could be choosing Gio or Charles who had much better chances of being that guy. Blount or not.Potentially being THE top PPR RB is now off the table completely. I agree with you. I'm just pouting.
Did you mean what you said with that statement?
http://pickingpros.com/nfl/running-back-receiving-leaders.php
Building Bell up to be something he never was to tear him down does not seem like a very honest way to discuss him.
adjective
NAME SEAS AGE WEIGHT GMS ATTS RYDS YPC RTDS RECS recYDS recTDS
- 1.
having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future
Le'Veon Bell 2013 21 230 13 18.77 66.15 3.52 0.62 3.46 31.15 0.00
Giovani Bernard 2013 22 202 16 10.69 42.56 3.98 0.31 3.50 32.12 0.19
What's your point?
I do not think even you ever thought that.
And people ask me why I don't care to discus players talent on this board anymore smh
How many TD did Bell score on passes compared to Charles and Bernard?
How is that being just as productive in the passing game? It really is not close. Bell was not even in the top 10 in this category.
Huh? I just proved how he wasn't far from Gio, who you chose to crown instead, in the passing game. You are debating against pretty simple math in the matter, not me. He also outproduced Gio's raw totals while playing less games. Pardon me for thinking a player with those credentials has equal-greater upside as the other for 2014. Your statement needs clarification if aything.
This is generally how to win fantasy leagues for anyone who has yet to figure this out for themselves.
look at the #[s only if you want. I watched him play and he's a beast, but didn't have any holes to run through. Steelers OL was awful last year, but now have one of the better OL coaches in the league in Mike Munchak.Also, Tomlin specifically said that they want a veteran in the room to help develop Bell not take carries away. http://blog.triblive.com/steel-mill/2014/03/23/robinson-mike-tomlin-talks-14-steelers-for-the-first-time/#axzz2wp0WoRquBell averaged 3.5 ypc....that's horrible. I remember when trich had a questionable ypc his rookie year and everyone scoffed at it. They pointed to LT's rookie year...but I bet now they think it's important.spoken like a Blount owner...keep on that sales train
This is so true. It just cracks me up when people post players' combine stats compared to other players and act like they've found a replica of that guy. There are some hilarious examples of guys who match up in measurables but are completely different in terms of skill and playing style. Also, NFL scouts watch a ton of "film" and still get it wrong. Guys on here with their NFL rewind or youtube highlights don't even scratch the surface of what scouts do, so yeah, I'm with this guy on not caring how much film or tape or compress digital video people on internet forums watch to form their all important "eyeball test".
Let's not get too excited about performance in the passing game. Those numbers can vary quite drastically from year to year. I've seen guys with fairly heavy workloads in the passing game (read: good sample size) drop from the 9's to 6's in ypr and vice versa. It's also worth noting that as nice as Bell's season appears on paper, Steve Slaton's rookie year stomps Bell's rookie year and where is Slaton now? Bonus: a fun fact from Slaton's second year... 3.3 ypc and 9.5 ypr. Bell's rookie year... 3.5 ypc and 8.9 ypr.
Not technically. You have to actually be right (I'm not saying you are right or wrong in this case, just discussing the statement). If you are the only guy who values Jahvid Best as a stud, then you are in trouble. Selling bad FF players to the only owner who values them as studs is absolutely one of the ways to win fantasy leagues.
Are people actually excited about this? Tenn spent big money to upgrade the line last year and I didn't notice them dominating, although it would be handy to have some PFF stats about their performance before I dog him too badly.
I'm not basing my evaluation of Bell's hands solely on his rookie season. He has been a great pass catcher since college. The Stealers even line him up outside a few times a game. There are few in the league his size that are capable of that. I'll put up the sim scores for Bell when I have a chance. He's not much like Steve Slaton.
Obviously. Saying "you're wrong, I'm right" when I can show he's on par with your gold standard doesn't prove much. I don't mind being wrong on the outcome if the process leads me to being right more often than not. That's not my imagination at work.
I just meant that being the only person to value a player highly isn't technically the way to win championships. Being the only player to value a player highly and being right is one way to win championships.
Steve Slaton 5'9" 199 lbs
Maybe I am debating against incorrect math. That is why I put numbers up there to make that more clear.
Bell finished as RB 15 in PPR last season. He was outscored by Fred Jackson, Joique Bell, Woodhead and Bernard who were all time share RB.
In terms of receptions Bell finished 17th of all RB in 2013 despite getting more snaps than the majority of these RB. So I am not sure why you would consider that scoring format to be an advantage for Bell. I think he finishes better in standard leagues honestly.
--- Standard Half PPR PPRLow 10 11.1 12.1Median 13.1 14.8 15.7High 16.4 18.1 19.8Done. It's just a list of 20 players who had comparable seasons to Bell's and what they did the following year. It obviously doesn't take into account FA moves, coaching changes, schedules, offensive lines ect.. but it tells more than just using Trent Richardson as the only example of RB who performed near the average (like everyone seems to be content with doing).FF Ninja said:
I wouldn't call projecting off of similarity scores simple math. Doug Drinen convinced me of their validity many years ago but I have never been comfortable enough with that data to use it as a basis for projections.ShaHBucks said:
Thanks for posting that. Numbers are always interesting and I'm sure this has value, although I'm with Biabreakable in that I am more interested in individual situations than these other players' performances and their unknown situational changes from one year to the next.
Their difference in stature was not lost on me. I was just pointing out how meaningless one year's worth of good YPR is. And how one good season can go down the crapper pretty quickly. Bell could be forgotten as easily as Slaton was if Blount comes into Pit and starts running like he did as a rookie or like he did down the stretch last year. FWIW, I agree that Pit's line was at least somewhat to blame, but I'm also a believer in Blount's natural ability as a runner. He did extremely well as a raw, essentially uncoached runner (the Raheem Morris regime made no attempts to coach him up) his rookie year. And if you consider the unmitigated disaster that Tampa was during his second year, his 4.2 ypc is actually pretty impressive.The Hank said:
Blount did get to run behind very good to good run blocking lines - especially last season - and I'm not sure he'd be very successful behind a poor run blocking line given his running style.
