Kenny Powers
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No less the 1st preseason game which probably has less intensity than some parts of practice during the week.
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Kenny Powers
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I actually think MAC makes a good point with the bolded that I havent really seen brought up in this thread. Everyone is thinking Lynch may be cut because of his own cap hit, but I think it might come down to the rest of the team more than him. Richard Sherman has cap hit <$700K/yr and is a UFA in 2015, Wilson has cap hit ~$800K the next 3 years and is a UFA in 2016 (guessing he signs a new deal before 2015 at the latest), Brandon Browner has cap hit $770K this year and is RFA in 2014, Bobby Wagner average cap hit around $1.15M the next few years and is UFA in 2016. These are some of their best players currently, and certainly guys of the future, and they are coming in at bargain basement prices. Add on Earl Thomas and Avril being UFA in 2015, Harvin's cap hit skyrockets starting next year, and it is pretty clear SEA is going to be in a sticky situation in 2015.
That said, if Lynch continues trucking on the next couple years and remains an integral part of the team, I can see other vets with big cap hits like Sidney Rice, Zach Miller, or the older DL guys (Bryant, Mebane, Clemons) be sent packing before him. Or of course Lynch renegotiating his price that year.
TheFanatic
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OK, so I agree that stuff in the 3rd and 4th quarters is not as good as tearing it up in the first against the starters. But we have no idea of knowing whether or not he would've gotten better against starters as the game went on because they weren't in there. We won't know until he gets a chance to play those guys late. Bruising RB's tend to gain momentum as the game goes on and the defenders get tired and sore. He could only play against who was in there. Just because the starters stopped him early, doesn't mean he couldn't have worn them down.
Sabertooth
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I give Michael a slight edge over Lattimore right now because he's healthy. I fully expect to basically have to redshirt them both this season for my dynasty team. That's ok. I can stumble through with other options from the scrap heap like Ahmad Bradshaw and the like.
I do expect Michael to have a better future because he's healthy though.
I do expect Michael to have a better future because he's healthy though.
All true, but its hardly causing to be pimping the guy as the next big thing. And as I said, I am supporter...just think there was nothing special about that performance given the competition
Kenny Powers
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Al Michael's daughter, so she certainly has the pedigree to be one of the best sideline reporters around, high chance of longevity as well.
Dragon1952
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When your offense is going 3 and out every possession and only staying on the field a minute or so at a time the defense is going to have a hard time regardless of what 'stringers' they are.TheFanatic said:
I've been convinced of his talent for a while. I don't put any value on this game though other than the fact he's demanding touches. Honestly he's the only rookie RB I wanted a bar of dynasty, given I sort of doubt Bernard's full time credentials.killface said:
I was only highlighting the fact that we put so much value on the blocking to quantify running success, and despite the fact that he's facing 2nd/3rd/4th stringers, he's getting blocked by them as well.
Hooper31
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Alex P Keaton
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Disappointing. This is one of those little things.....that you don't want to have happen in rookie training camp. Back spasms.....is he PMS'ing or something? Got to play through minor injuries.
Warhogs
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Are you new to preseason football? Teams don't have players play through injuries in training camp.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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Only someone who's never had a back 'spasm' would say something like this. I don't care if you're crossing a four lane highway when it hits, you're not going anywhere until it ends.
Papa John's
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Alex P Keaton
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Ok. Are you concerned that a 22 year-old has such serious back spasms at this point, particularly given that he doesn't have the greatest track record of avoiding injuries?
Alex P Keaton
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He's a rookie. He needs every rep he can get. That's why coaches and teams typically like to see the rookies on the field. Are you new to football?
buck naked
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It would be a better thread if everybody stopped being a #####.
Heatman
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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I don't know why he's having them so no idea how big a deal it is. Just saying that they aren't something you can play through. I had some nerve damage last year and got a few of them. 'Spasm' is such a misnomer. Basically you're hit with a sudden pain and can't bend/unbend/twist (move) until it passes.
Warhogs
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OK. My last post in this thread and I probably should not post it since APK just doesn't get it. Michael certainly looks to have a ton of talent, he seems to have already shown that to the Seahawks. I think they feel he will be an important part of this team in 2013 therefore there is no reason to play him with a small injury at this point. That Marshawn Lynch guy that starts in Seattle has had some back issues the past couple of seasons and he seems to be doing OK. If I were to be worried about anything with Michael it would be that I believe he has character concerns. Those are more concerning than some back spasms. Wow. Please continue to take time to argue with everyone who has posted in this thread. I am done posting in this thread.
Alex P Keaton
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See, this was actually a helpful post. As opposed to typing "are you new to preseason football?" Although, typing "APK just doesn't get it" is a pointless comment.
I "get" what you're saying, I just don't agree with you. Why is that such a horrible thing?
Michael owners likely want to see him carry the ball in 2013, you know, maybe 5-7 times per game. Or something like that. For a couple reasons: 1) it will demonstrate that Michael has his head straight enough to be part of the game plan, 2) similar to Turbin producing when given the chance last year, it would provide an opportunity to evaluate Michael's production, 3) it will help us understand where Michael is relative to Turbin.
If Michael sits out a bunch of preseason because of spasms a) it means he loses valuable learning time, b) it sets him back relative to Turbin - who he had the opportunity to accelerate past b/c Turbin was out earlier in preseason, c) it reduces the odds that Michael sees the field in 2013.
I'm not sure why anyone would disagree with what I typed above. You can read it all and say "meh, he wasn't going to touch the ball at all in 2014 anyway." That's a reasonable perspective. But I doubt most Michael owners were hoping for that outcome.
TheFanatic
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Someone, a Lynch owner who is trying like hell to trade for Michael, was telling me that that Goodell will not address this at all even if convicted. Don't remember the exact wording. Something like Goodell saying that he would let the courts do their punishment and that was it...
ImTheScientist
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Crippler doesn't know what he is talking about. The things in Buffalo and things w/ the Hawks fall into two separate catagories and he will get 2-4 if convicted. Even at that his hearing was delayed till december and will probably get delayed again.
TheFanatic
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It wasn't Crippler.
My point was I don't remember Goodell ever saying, "I'll let the courts deal with it and the NFL will just set that as the punishment" for Lynch of ANY other NFL player in trouble with the law.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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There's conflicting info on a Lynch suspension if he's convicted, but I believe this is correct:
That's assuming he's convicted or pleads guilty to something relating to alcohol. Apparently part of the delay in the case stems from the fact that the dash cam in the car of the cop that pulled him over may have been turned off ('malfunctioned') during the incident. So it's no given that Lynch will lose the case.
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doubletrouble
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BearsFan4Life
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snagged him at 2.2 in 14 team dynasty
Dinsy Ejotuz
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Surprised this hasn't been bumped yet. I didn't see the game, but apparently 11-97-1, 1-25-0 don't do justice to the show. Anyone that saw it have anything to add?
jurb26
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He looked good, but his long TD run was a hole big enough to drive a car through. His explosiveness thru it was impressive bit a lot of RBs take that to the house IMO. Also, he was running mostly bs the 2nd team. Now, he made them look pretty foolish as he should. I wouldn't say it was a bump worthy day. It could actually be interpreted the opposite as Turbin saw action before him with the first team and Turbin also looked good.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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Sabertooth
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JackReacher
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Terrific burst on the TD run. Had a nice spin move on another. My immediate comp is a young Felix Jones. I mean that in a good way. Need to see more though.ETA: now that I think about it, Ahman Green is a better comp, at least for running style
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buck naked
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Grigs Allmoon
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mere blitzianity
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His teammates supposedly call him the thundering beast, as opposed to Lynch being beast mode. I literally felt my TV shake when he was running the ball. The guy is a special talent and all he needs is chance to show what he can do. I know about his off field issues, but it's still mystifying that he wasn't drafted by a team that is in desperate need of help at RB.
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mere blitzianity
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They need to feed the "Thundering Beast." It's almost as if you can feel the ground shake beneath his feet
mere blitzianity
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sho nuff
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Good comparison as to what I saw...good combo of speed and power and showed nice hands on the reception.
TheFanatic
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JackReacher
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Rosey Grier
Hysterical!! We have to start referring to this guy as the thundering beast--great name!
T with T
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yes agreed could have drove a milk truck through that but agree guy is explosive, powerful, fast and should be a stud in 2-3 years... first round pick in start up by 2015
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