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Michael cant even offer anything in special teams. Truth.
He is an okay kick returner, but not so good that he justifies an active spot on gameday without a prominent role elsewhere.Michael cant even offer anything in special teams. Truth.
Ill give you that. Ive never argued about him beyond this year. I prefer CM long term (post Lynchs Seattle days).He is an okay kick returner, but not so good that he justifies an active spot on gameday without a prominent role elsewhere.Michael cant even offer anything in special teams. Truth.
As far as Turbin being better, that's laughable. You can bump this 2-3 years from now when Michael is a top 12-15 dynasty RB and Turbin is waiting tables.
Do you really think Robert Turbin is going to become a waiter?He is an okay kick returner, but not so good that he justifies an active spot on gameday without a prominent role elsewhere.Michael cant even offer anything in special teams. Truth.
As far as Turbin being better, that's laughable. You can bump this 2-3 years from now when Michael is a top 12-15 dynasty RB and Turbin is waiting tables.
I was just joking.Do you really think Robert Turbin is going to become a waiter?He is an okay kick returner, but not so good that he justifies an active spot on gameday without a prominent role elsewhere.Michael cant even offer anything in special teams. Truth.
As far as Turbin being better, that's laughable. You can bump this 2-3 years from now when Michael is a top 12-15 dynasty RB and Turbin is waiting tables.
Pead missed all of training camp last year, and played extremely little, practically a rookie compared to Richardson's experienceNot a parallel situation to Pead/Richardson. Turbin is a second year player. Michael is a rookie. In general, veterans have a leg up on rookies.TheFanatic said:The same thing was said about Daryl Richardson spelling SJax. Many, myself included, thought he was going to be strictly a scat back. Now he's starting. I feel he doesn't have the frame to stay the starter, but that's just me. I was wrong about him becoming the starter. Maybe we're assuming too much about CM here too and not enough for Turbin...
Michael is a much better runner than Turbin. Don't overthink this. Michael was the freakiest athlete at the RB position in the draft by a pretty wide margin. He was a 2nd round draft pick. He generated a big buzz in practices almost immediately. He carried that over to the games, leading the NFL in preseason rushing yardage and averaging 5.0 YPC. Turbin is an okay player, but nothing exceptional. Michael has a chance to be one of the top runners in the league.
The dynasty play is to sell Turbin for anything approaching reasonable value and to buy Michael in the off chance that you can find an owner willing to sell.
Lots. Especially among the forum posts.There are lots of parallels.
His dynasty trajectory is going one way and that's up. I already listed all the reasons. If you really want to compare him to Pead...Just playing Devil's advocate. I drafted Michael. But we make it seem like a 2nd round pick is a lock, when it has been shown time and time again, that 2nd rounders are not locks. Even more so now with the new CBA.
Lots of people say that stuff. "He'll be flipping burgers in a few years". You said he'll be waiting tables. Many of these guys have college degrees. The only people with college degrees that wait tables are actors and law school graduates. Maybe it's a racial thing, I don't know.He is an okay kick returner, but not so good that he justifies an active spot on gameday without a prominent role elsewhere.Michael cant even offer anything in special teams. Truth.
As far as Turbin being better, that's laughable. You can bump this 2-3 years from now when Michael is a top 12-15 dynasty RB and Turbin is waiting tables.
Just a joke, man. Relax.Lots of people say that stuff. "He'll be flipping burgers in a few years". You said he'll be waiting tables. Many of these guys have college degrees. The only people with college degrees that wait tables are actors and law school graduates. Maybe it's a racial thing, I don't know.
Turbin is a decent player. Nothing more. There are lots of decent players in the NFL. When you add up all of the quality starters, all of the quality backups, and all of the soon-to-be NFL players dominating in college, Turbin doesn't rate as a top 32 back in the game. He's one of those guys like Tashard Choice or Michael Bush who will always hover around the fringes. If he does somehow land a starting job, he will have a short leash and be in massive danger of getting pipped.One of the reasons I have trouble following a lot of your projections and insight, which I think has some real value EBF, is that you just continue to double down in spite of evidence to the contrary. Turbin looks like he belongs in the NFL for sure. He's a pretty good player. But because he is listed as RB2 Seattle and Michael isn't, you feel this need to increase your hyperbole on him.
You mean the guy with a 4.7 career YPC average? I would not call that lackluster. Stewart has been a bust for FF purposes, but not in NFL terms. He is a great player when healthy and would be a top 15 back in the league if 100%.Were't you one of the big Jonathan Stewart guys that just continued to double down in spite of lackluster performace year after year? Its ok to be wrong sometimes.
One of the reasons I have trouble following a lot of your projections and insight, which I think has some real value EBF, is that you just continue to double down in spite of evidence to the contrary. Turbin looks like he belongs in the NFL for sure. He's a pretty good player. But because he is listed as RB2 Seattle and Michael isn't, you feel this need to increase your hyperbole on him.
Moreno/Ball, Powell/Ivory, Richardson/Pead, Bell/Felix, Mathews, McGahee ... maybe MurrayTurbin is better than starters on several teams today
EBF,Turbin is the better football player.Not a parallel situation to Pead/Richardson. Turbin is a second year player. Michael is a rookie. In general, veterans have a leg up on rookies.TheFanatic said:The same thing was said about Daryl Richardson spelling SJax. Many, myself included, thought he was going to be strictly a scat back. Now he's starting. I feel he doesn't have the frame to stay the starter, but that's just me. I was wrong about him becoming the starter. Maybe we're assuming too much about CM here too and not enough for Turbin...
Michael is a much better runner than Turbin. Don't overthink this. Michael was the freakiest athlete at the RB position in the draft by a pretty wide margin. He was a 2nd round draft pick. He generated a big buzz in practices almost immediately. He carried that over to the games, leading the NFL in preseason rushing yardage and averaging 5.0 YPC. Turbin is an okay player, but nothing exceptional. Michael has a chance to be one of the top runners in the league.
The dynasty play is to sell Turbin for anything approaching reasonable value and to buy Michael in the off chance that you can find an owner willing to sell.
After watching him run, I remain as excited about his prospects as ever (in dynasty, NOT REDRAFT). Rookie debut jitters aside, some of his runs were pretty.Christine Michael got into the game when Seattle brought in Tavaris Jackson and all the reserves vs. Jacksonville!
Rookie RB Spencer Ware (ankle) "won't make it back this week" according to Carrol.After watching him run, I remain as excited about his prospects as ever (in dynasty, NOT REDRAFT). Rookie debut jitters aside, some of his runs were pretty.Christine Michael got into the game when Seattle brought in Tavaris Jackson and all the reserves vs. Jacksonville!
Larry Seely is gold. Check out some of his other articles:"St. Louis Rams - Would Adding Michael Turner Improve Offense?"I trust Larry Seely, and he makes a good case that Michael should be starting.
Lately I've been listening to: NickelbackLarry Seely is gold. Check out some of his other articles:"St. Louis Rams - Would Adding Michael Turner Improve Offense?"I trust Larry Seely, and he makes a good case that Michael should be starting.
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Is this being discussed?But right now, I would take Turbin on the Rams in a heartbeat!
I don't think so. But I would like to see it.Is this being discussed?But right now, I would take Turbin on the Rams in a heartbeat!
He's not behind Ware. I think he played ahead of him in every preseason game.Rookie RB Spencer Ware (ankle) "won't make it back this week" according to Carrol.After watching him run, I remain as excited about his prospects as ever (in dynasty, NOT REDRAFT). Rookie debut jitters aside, some of his runs were pretty.Christine Michael got into the game when Seattle brought in Tavaris Jackson and all the reserves vs. Jacksonville!
That will allow Michael to be active once again. But being behind Ware really does speak about the "coaches trust" issue.
His natural ability is pretty evident when you watch him. And he actually earned 6 snaps on special teams, which is a big deal.
No he isnt, but it directly effects how many RBs (incl anyone who can take a handoff) are active.He's not behind Ware. I think he played ahead of him in every preseason game.Rookie RB Spencer Ware (ankle) "won't make it back this week" according to Carrol.After watching him run, I remain as excited about his prospects as ever (in dynasty, NOT REDRAFT). Rookie debut jitters aside, some of his runs were pretty.Christine Michael got into the game when Seattle brought in Tavaris Jackson and all the reserves vs. Jacksonville!
That will allow Michael to be active once again. But being behind Ware really does speak about the "coaches trust" issue.
His natural ability is pretty evident when you watch him. And he actually earned 6 snaps on special teams, which is a big deal.
Ware is a more versatile player and can play special teams.
People are not rostering Michael to get 2 pts. They are rostering him in the event Lynch goes down. If that happens he will get the majority of the carries.No he isnt, but it directly effects how many RBs (incl anyone who can take a handoff) are active.He's not behind Ware. I think he played ahead of him in every preseason game.Rookie RB Spencer Ware (ankle) "won't make it back this week" according to Carrol.After watching him run, I remain as excited about his prospects as ever (in dynasty, NOT REDRAFT). Rookie debut jitters aside, some of his runs were pretty.Christine Michael got into the game when Seattle brought in Tavaris Jackson and all the reserves vs. Jacksonville!
That will allow Michael to be active once again. But being behind Ware really does speak about the "coaches trust" issue.
His natural ability is pretty evident when you watch him. And he actually earned 6 snaps on special teams, which is a big deal.
Ware is a more versatile player and can play special teams.
The minute Ware wasn't active, we all pretty much knew Michael would be active again.
Even had they wanted to get 2 pts per game, they wouldnt be getting that thus far... the team didnt trust him enough for that kind of playtime. Welcome back to the thread btw.People are not rostering Michael to get 2 pts. They are rostering him in the event Lynch goes down. If that happens he will get the majority of the carries.No he isnt, but it directly effects how many RBs (incl anyone who can take a handoff) are active.He's not behind Ware. I think he played ahead of him in every preseason game.Rookie RB Spencer Ware (ankle) "won't make it back this week" according to Carrol.After watching him run, I remain as excited about his prospects as ever (in dynasty, NOT REDRAFT). Rookie debut jitters aside, some of his runs were pretty.Christine Michael got into the game when Seattle brought in Tavaris Jackson and all the reserves vs. Jacksonville!
That will allow Michael to be active once again. But being behind Ware really does speak about the "coaches trust" issue.
His natural ability is pretty evident when you watch him. And he actually earned 6 snaps on special teams, which is a big deal.
Ware is a more versatile player and can play special teams.
The minute Ware wasn't active, we all pretty much knew Michael would be active again.
Whats the price we should be paying?Buy in redraft for the monumental upside... and lynch runs awfully violently for an rb his age.
Dude, did this guy pork your girlfriend or something? You have an unusual amount of interest in trying to make sure people think he sucks...Even had they wanted to get 2 pts per game, they wouldnt be getting that thus far... the team didnt trust him enough for that kind of playtime. Welcome back to the thread btw.People are not rostering Michael to get 2 pts. They are rostering him in the event Lynch goes down. If that happens he will get the majority of the carries.No he isnt, but it directly effects how many RBs (incl anyone who can take a handoff) are active.He's not behind Ware. I think he played ahead of him in every preseason game.Rookie RB Spencer Ware (ankle) "won't make it back this week" according to Carrol.After watching him run, I remain as excited about his prospects as ever (in dynasty, NOT REDRAFT). Rookie debut jitters aside, some of his runs were pretty.Christine Michael got into the game when Seattle brought in Tavaris Jackson and all the reserves vs. Jacksonville!
That will allow Michael to be active once again. But being behind Ware really does speak about the "coaches trust" issue.
His natural ability is pretty evident when you watch him. And he actually earned 6 snaps on special teams, which is a big deal.
Ware is a more versatile player and can play special teams.
The minute Ware wasn't active, we all pretty much knew Michael would be active again.
I think part of the problem is that there's not always a way for people to tell who is talking redraft, and who is talking dynasty. Hype builds around some guys in the Shark Pool, and redrafters get caught up in it when in reality, the majority of the hype is long-term dynasty thinking. But its not always apparent and honestly, I'd say most of the prolific posters here are generally dynasty owners. But again, its not always obvious. So it bleeds over into the redraft mindset when it shouldn't.I don't think he sucks. Read my previous posts that I like him in dynasty. I do think some people were greatly over valuing his redraft value though.
He has been far closer to my value estimation in redraft then the bandwaggooneers thus far.
All Im really trying to do is place appropriate value on him - for redrafts. And eschew the hyperbole of people who have already bought him or are Seahawk fans.
His redraft value has already gone up from where it was at the onset, and that's with him being deactivated and then only playing with reserves.
Well, he certainly hit this quote out of the park:I trust Larry Seely, and he makes a good case that Michael should be starting.
I'm the biggest CM fan there is, but if I was in a redraft, I wouldn't roster him unless there were ultra deep benches. I would save my roster spots for guys I expect to play this year and take my chances on the WW if Lynch actually goes down. Holding a guy hoping that another guy, with little injury history, will go down is not a great idea. Guys that held onto Edelman because they worried about Amendola and his history got paid off, but Lynch isn't gimpy like that.I don't think he sucks. Read my previous posts that I like him in dynasty. I do think some people were greatly over valuing his redraft value though.
He has been far closer to my value estimation in redraft then the bandwaggooneers thus far.
All Im really trying to do is place appropriate value on him - for redrafts. And eschew the hyperbole of people who have already bought him or are Seahawk fans.
His redraft value has already gone up from where it was at the onset, and that's with him being deactivated and then only playing with reserves.
Change your name to BigHawkThrill and maybe your opinion on a team would be a little more meaningful.Even had they wanted to get 2 pts per game, they wouldnt be getting that thus far... the team didnt trust him enough for that kind of playtime. Welcome back to the thread btw.
Christine Michael = Still a dynasty stashChristine Michael = Did Not Play
Close game. Every play counts as they squeeze out a 3 point win OT at Houston.
Yup.I think part of the problem is that there's not always a way for people to tell who is talking redraft, and who is talking dynasty. Hype builds around some guys in the Shark Pool, and redrafters get caught up in it when in reality, the majority of the hype is long-term dynasty thinking. But its not always apparent and honestly, I'd say most of the prolific posters here are generally dynasty owners. But again, its not always obvious. So it bleeds over into the redraft mindset when it shouldn't.I don't think he sucks. Read my previous posts that I like him in dynasty. I do think some people were greatly over valuing his redraft value though.
He has been far closer to my value estimation in redraft then the bandwaggooneers thus far.
All Im really trying to do is place appropriate value on him - for redrafts. And eschew the hyperbole of people who have already bought him or are Seahawk fans.
His redraft value has already gone up from where it was at the onset, and that's with him being deactivated and then only playing with reserves.