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michael bush is 6'1" 245lbs (which may be a bit kind imo)... lacy is 5'11" 230lbs... lacy is big, but he isn't that big. bush is more of a plodder and is lacking an all around game to be compared to a guy like lacy. i don't like the comparison whatsoever.
you're right, he just looks like a plodder because he doesn't bend his knees when he runs. i'd hazard to guess, EVERY nfl personnel man in the league right now would say Lacy is a much better prospect than michael bush ever was though. beside them being (not really) the same size, there isn't much to compare between the two in my eyes.
He looks shiftier than Bush to me, although pre-injury Louisville Michael Bush is pretty much erased from my memory bank.'cstu said:
He is shifter and he has a nice spin move that he does without losing much momentum or losing his balance. I'm probably judging him too harshly because he's going as the 1.01 and I don't think he's as good players who usually get picked that high.How about Ridley as a comp? Lacy is a slightly bigger and maybe a little faster but they look similar to me.
I like Ivory, but I wouldn't say that, myself. Honestly, his footwork reminds me of Ray Rice. But I don't have a good comp for him.
he's just not participating in bama's pro-day that was scheduled this week. everything i've read says that he'll be rescheduling for a later date.
Makes sense. Thank you.'werdnoynek said:
Niners have a late first,early second..kind of need a RB to eventually replace Gore..they have the best O-line in the NFL..I imagine Lacey would be a beast in a Niners uniform.
The typical draft isn't going to measure up to last year. Most drafts don't have a quarterback worthy of a top 5 dynasty pick, let alone 2. Also, suggesting he is behind Martin is bit of an assumption; they're very similair as prospects, at this point. A lot of drafts saw Martin go ahead of Blackmon, as well. He'd likely be in the mix at 1.03-1.05 in PPR formats, and 1.02-1.04 in standard formats. Ingram, Spiller, Best, Moreno, Brown, Wells, McFadden, Stewart, Mendenhall...1st round runningback are usually very good bets to be top 3-4 dynasty picks. The only exception, really, is when a class offers a lot of said 1st round NFL RBs (2008), or RG3/Luck happen(2012).
Not that they wont,. but SF has burned early picks on RBs the past 2 seasons in LM James and Hunter. but SF has alot of picks and can afford to take whomever they want.
You posted this a couple of times in this thread. Care to share your favorite 3-5 clips where Lacy is particularly adept at creating yardage for himself?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHq1-5FiAZMFirst two carries. In the third he "drags" for extra yardage. Fourth he breaks a tackle. Fifth he carries guys for a TD. 1:33 mark he makes a tackler miss. 1:47 mark he gets about 10 yards after initial contact. 2:07 mark. Breaks a tackle at 2:26. 3:07 is a good example. Breaks two tackles at 3:19. 3:26 he shows great vision, patience, and burst. 3:37 is one of my favorites; breaks two tackles on one run. 4:07, he makes guy miss in the backfield with a nice jump-cut, then breaks two more tackles. Everyone remembers 4:19. 4:23 is an NFL run. 4:41 is the circle button.
Thx CC. Extremely helpful video and breakdown.
No problem. There's also footage of more typical "make something out of nothing" runs, they're just in the game videos, rather than the highlights. Runs where he is stuffed, and finds 2 or 3 yards that weren't blocked for him.
Its enough of a concern for me that I would take Bernard and Bell ahead of him situation being equal.
...and it's worth pointing out that the only unranked teams he's up against in that whole highlight reel are Mizzou and Auburn. Tons of those runs were against LSU, Georgia, and ND... top tier teams with plenty of defenders between them that will be playing on Sundays.
That seems like a pretty huge overreaction to me. There's plenty of tape on Lacy.
I've watched a lot of tape of lacy and Bernard and quite frankly I don't even think they're in the same category
For me, I'd like to know what kind of athlete I'm getting. If Lacy were to have a Jarvis Jones type poor workout, most would change their opinion in spite of "the tape." Lacy skipped the combine and his pro day. Seems like he is hiding something.I personally preferred Bell to Lacy pre-combine. Though I expected a little better, Bell combine was good. Good enough that I wouldn't move Lacy past him without having Lacy's workout results. I look at Lacy and see Beanie Wells with much greater agility. If he could post workout numbers similar to Beanie, I'd move him to #1.
I don't think we need to discredit Lacy to say Trent was the better prospect. I personally think it is a lot closer than most. But Trent was an elite prospect and a top 3 NFL pick. Lacy's production measures up to anyone's, including Trent's, however. We don't need to find a reason why his YPC was higher than Trent's. Their situations were about as close as it can get.
What does Yeldon have to do with anything? There is plenty of footage of Lacy, and he was plenty productive, more productive than Yeldon, who is a great prospect himself. Seems like a reach to suggest it somehow hurts Lacy, the starting RB for Bama. Also, Lacy was a 3 down back and used just as Trent was, in that regard.
Doug Martin lacks homerun ability. He has plenty of long runs, as does, and will, Lacy. But that is a result of the rest of their game, not their speed. Same as Arian Foster and plenty of quality NFL backs.
No. He would be behind Trent and right next to Martin and Wilson. He's a fringe 1st round draft prospect, just like the other two were, and ending up being. There are reasonable concerns to have about Lacy, especially until he provides some numbers. But some of the things use to discredit him are a little odd, in my personal opinion.
In my book yes he would have been no better than 4th pre-draft, distant from Trent and Martin but not far from Wilson and not far ahead of Pead. I do take into account where and when a player is drafted so post draft this might have changed but nothing would have made him close to Trent or Martin and he might have fallen to 5th behind Pead.
I think you're overrating both where Martin and Wilson stood pre-draft. Both were regarded as late or fringe 1st NFL prospects. Which is exactly what Lacy is regarded as.
I believe the point is that Lacy is unjustly regarded as such.
Yeah, order will depend on preference. But he's widely accepted as a borderline 1st round pick, just like Wilson, Miller, and Martin, at this point last year - ahead of Polk, who was ahead of everyone else. Standard leagues, I would have taken Lacy at RB2. PPR, it would be a lot closer, with he, Wilson, and Martin very bunched closely.
Unjustly? We're talking about the very same people who had Wilson and Martin as borderline first round draft picks. You don't agree with it, which is fine, but calling it unjust is a bit arrogant.
I don't see how its arrogant, I'm certainly not touting myself as an elite scout of talent. I'm simply saying that just because the "same people" rank Lacy in this particular class around where those guys were doesn't make it right. And it certainly doesn't make them similar prospects or talents. The class that a player is in is a huge determining factor in where he is projected to go.
No sir I am not overrating either of those two pre-draft, specifically Martin. I fell in love with Martin during the Senior Bowl. I had the #2 pick in a rookie draft and was eyeballing him with that spot as soon as the conclusion of the senior bowl. Certainly I got lucky that I guy I liked fell into a good landing spot but that's about where I had him rated. Now pre-Senior bowl yes Martin was no where close to being on my radar as high as #2.My view on Wilson never changed. I like him but never put him in that class as Martin because I only play in PPR leagues and don't love RB's that don't project as big pass catchers but I like him because I do love young RB's with blazing speed. I thought he actually had a below average landing spot as Bradshaw was not old and the system there seems to favor a 1-2 punch at RB so Wilson ending up on the Giants did not increase his stock IMO. That being said there were rookie drafts last year I'd have selected Wilson as high as 1.3 but never ended up landing him.
You just seem to be suggesting your opinion is more than just that. They are similar prospects, thus talents, according to the large majority of those paid to follow the draft. That's what we're talking about; not your individual opinion on the players.'amicsta said:
He lacked elusiveness in college also. Bush has good straight ahead speed and some power but subtle cuts and changing direction are not part of his skill set.I do not see those limitations in Lacy's game.
I think Lacy would have been in a 2nd tier with Wilson for a lot of people. Some people really value size in a RB however and I could see some of those people liking Lacy better than Martin. Martin and Richardson to me are both very close to the ideal that I look for in a RB prospect.About the only negative I can think of for Lacy is that he seems to seek a lot of contact and that could lead to a higher risk of injury. But he wins enough of these collisions that he keeps doing it is a good quality to have in a RB, that leads to broken tackles and yards after contact. This is not a negative for me really with Richardson or Peterson or other RBs with this play style. It is just worth noting that the play style does increase contact and therefore risk of injury. Part of the reason I favor RBs who are slashers that can make defenders miss is that also reduces the violent hits they take compared to RBs who are seeking contact. In that way I think Martin may be the safest of these 4 RB I would still rather have Richardson.'amicsta said:
To support your argument. Scounts Inc Grades97 Trent Richardson90 Doug Martin89 Eddie Lacy84 David Wilson
I dont see how it's arrogant. It's moreso a suggestion (IMO) that NFL teams will overdraft players based on need at times, or even other factors (see Tim Tebow, see Jamarcus Russell).Every draft is different, adn team needs are always differetn. There HAS to be 32 1st rounders taken, whether there are 32 legit 1st round talents or not.I don't like Lacy is a 1st round talent, or even 2nd round talent actually.
Overdraft? The draft hasn't happened. Not really sure what point you're trying to make, or what Lacy has to do with Tim Tebow or Jamarcus Russell.
Simple. I was agreeing with the other guy that Lacy shouldn't be a 1st round NFL pick. It's possible Lacy could go in the first, but I would consider it a reach, likely by team with a glaring hole at RB. Hence, overdrafted based on need.I am fully aware the draft has not happened yet (I think anyway). Lacy has nothing to do with Tebow or Russell directly. However, they were overdrafted for whatever reason (most said it at the time, so not like I am making it up with hindsight), and it's possible Lacy is overdrafted by a team needing a RB real bad and willing to reach on him.It's my view of him. I simply don't view him as a legit 1st round NFL talent, I don't view him nearly as high as I did Richardson or even Martin coming out of college. Closer to Wilson, but still clearly behind Wilson.Just because Wilson/Martin were regarded by some guy as a late 1st rounder, and also that same guy rank Lacy as a late 1st in this draft, doesnt mean he rates Lacy the same as Wilson and Martin. It means he thinks he could get drafted around the same time they did.....................but since every draft class is different, that doesn't eman he ranks them the same based on talent alone. Now if he DOES, then I would take issue with that, cause I sure don't. And it seems many, if not a large majority, don't either.
All you've said is that you don't think he's worth a first round pick. As I said, that is not the conversation we were having. It is pretty clearly documented that those paid to follow the draft, Scouts Inc., Mel Kiper, Gregg Cosell, etc, feel he is a borderline first round pick, just like they felt about Martin and Wilson. Cosell called him a top 5 underclassment in this draft; I'm going take his word over anyone's in this conversation. You disagree with them - that's fine. That doesn't make them wrong. Or you wrong, for that matter. His future production will decide that.
and it's not like those guys put up super impressive combine numbers.
