Val Rannous
Footballguy
Hmm - Waffling between Lacy and Martin as my draft target - High on both but can't decide.
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Anyone not like Eddie Lacy? (2 Viewers)
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need2know
Footballguy
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Saw some highlights today. He still looks pretty large..no?
finfansteve
Footballguy
Looks like he hasn't lost a pound
chinawildman
Footballguy
This.
Had him last season and watching him tumble across the line of scrimmage for 3 yards and a cloud of powdered donuts made facepalming a sunday ritual. Look up any rookie/soph season Lacy videos and it's almost an unrecognizable player... and to think I thought he looked a tad chubby back then too....
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
Lacy is going to be a steal this year. The whole offense struggled, but apparently Lacy, who still averaged 4.1 ypc, isn't a bounceback candidate while everyone assumes Rodger will just return to form.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I took Lacy at 1.04 last season and he killed my team.
I missed Lacy this year at 2.09 (he went 2.06) and I was ticked. I thought sure he'd fall further, but he's looking really good.
That all said, I'm also somewhat mixed on him. Starks proved to be a capable back. Reports said Lacy's weight is down but conditioning is an issue (rotoworld, today actually) I don't see Starks going away, so this is something of a RBBC - how much so is unknown.
Lacy's biggest value comes from his GL role.
But Rodgers/Packers love to throw on 1st and goal at the stripe. They get cute with the fade routes to the corner, or the WR screens. I still think Lacy is a good bet to lead all RBs in TDs, but he's also a good bet to hit the buffet one too many times.
I'd say he's a perfect RB2 this year. If he performs like we thought he would last year, he'll bounce right back into 1st round discussions for 2017.
I missed Lacy this year at 2.09 (he went 2.06) and I was ticked. I thought sure he'd fall further, but he's looking really good.
That all said, I'm also somewhat mixed on him. Starks proved to be a capable back. Reports said Lacy's weight is down but conditioning is an issue (rotoworld, today actually) I don't see Starks going away, so this is something of a RBBC - how much so is unknown.
Lacy's biggest value comes from his GL role.
But Rodgers/Packers love to throw on 1st and goal at the stripe. They get cute with the fade routes to the corner, or the WR screens. I still think Lacy is a good bet to lead all RBs in TDs, but he's also a good bet to hit the buffet one too many times.
I'd say he's a perfect RB2 this year. If he performs like we thought he would last year, he'll bounce right back into 1st round discussions for 2017.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
He is listed at 234 still but the noticeable gut has receded.
McCarthy seems intent on running more this year.
McCarthy seems intent on running more this year.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
I am a lacy fan, but not a mcarthy fan, was burned last year, and just couldnt grab him again.
good luck lacy owners, add starks to your roster just in case!
good luck lacy owners, add starks to your roster just in case!
bulger2holt
Footballguy
They released their pro bowl OG and their Center is out for 6 weeks. I'm concerned
hamsterdam
Footballguy
I didn't catch it, did it look bad?
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
Maybe most frustrating player to own. Guy averages 8 yards a carry and McCarthy hands it to a WR, then a different WR. McCarthy can't see that Starks is ineffective? Let big ed get in the game flow. Guy was running downhill.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
I don't think he misses time. In a closer game he would have been back out there
sho nuff
Footballguy
To be fair...the WR carries were before he was averaging 8 yards a carry.
Starks got the call late in the 1st half on the normal rotation.
After that...he got 2 other series in 2 minute drill as "supposedly" the better pass catcher.
I think the last 2 coming right after his other series was more coincidentally.
Rodrigo Duterte
Footballguy
I thought he had slimmed down, no?
packer_junkie
Footballguy
Lacy ran his ### off last night.... Hope the able is ok
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Such a fun guy to watch. Looks like Bettis when he's at his best. But...can't own him anymore as long as he's on the Packers. Especially in PPR.
His lack of involvement in their passing game this year has been a bit perplexing.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
They horribly misuse him. He was killing it at like 10ypc and had 7 rushes and I looked at pass attempts and Rodgers was average and up around 30. I don't get it.
matttyl
Footballguy
From rotoworld....
Eddie Lacy said his ankle is "alright" following the Packers' Week 5 win over the Giants.
"I can walk on it, which is good," Lacy said. "We’ll see how it is going into next week." Lacy was injured in the third quarter and never returned. It was disappointing considering he had 81 yards on just 11 carries before leaving and was well on his way to another 100-yard game. If Lacy cannot play this week, James Starks and his 1.8 YPC will get the start against Dallas.
Eddie Lacy said his ankle is "alright" following the Packers' Week 5 win over the Giants.
"I can walk on it, which is good," Lacy said. "We’ll see how it is going into next week." Lacy was injured in the third quarter and never returned. It was disappointing considering he had 81 yards on just 11 carries before leaving and was well on his way to another 100-yard game. If Lacy cannot play this week, James Starks and his 1.8 YPC will get the start against Dallas.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Lacy vs. Dallas in 2013: 25 touches for 171 total yards, 1 TD
In 2015 regular season: 25 touches for 148 yards, 1 TD
2015 Wildcard: 20 touches for 111 yards, 0 TD
In 2015 regular season: 25 touches for 148 yards, 1 TD
2015 Wildcard: 20 touches for 111 yards, 0 TD
dipandglide
Footballguy
He looks awful.
Karlos Williams would be an interesting add for them if he's anywhere near in shape. He'd have to be an upgrade over Starks.
matttyl
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Starks looked tentative, but he has history performing -- and performing well -- as the main back. Let's not just erase history -- they guy is one of those bona fide backups that has proven he could shoulder the load in the absence of the starter.
That said, the best and obvious thing would be for Lacy to be healthy coming into the next game. Pack will certainly be more successful with the threat that Lacy brings to the table, even if he is slightly hobbled.
That said, the best and obvious thing would be for Lacy to be healthy coming into the next game. Pack will certainly be more successful with the threat that Lacy brings to the table, even if he is slightly hobbled.
georg013
Footballguy
Looks like someone is using the copy and paste feature in his writeups. Do you see it?
Contending 5-10%, Rebuilding 1-5%| James Starks, GB- We’ll see about how severe Lacy’s ankle injury ends up being, but what we know as of this writing is that Lacy appears on track to start in week six. Starks has looked like the better back on his carries and he’ll still have value if Lacy’s injury gets worse to the point he misses time.
Has Starks really looked better on his carries?
Contending 5-10%, Rebuilding 1-5%| James Starks, GB- We’ll see about how severe Lacy’s ankle injury ends up being, but what we know as of this writing is that Lacy appears on track to start in week six. Starks has looked like the better back on his carries and he’ll still have value if Lacy’s injury gets worse to the point he misses time.
Has Starks really looked better on his carries?
MattFancy
Footballguy
Lol that has to be from last year, right?
Lacy is averaging 5.5ypc to Starks averaging 1.8ypc
Rodrigo Duterte
Footballguy
LOFL
hamsterdam
Footballguy
Geeze what site is that from?
Starks has looked plain awful, and this is a case where YPC actually do tell the story.
Granted I'm pretty low in priority but I own Lacy and was not even going to try to pick up Starks if he missed this week.
Starks has looked plain awful, and this is a case where YPC actually do tell the story.
Granted I'm pretty low in priority but I own Lacy and was not even going to try to pick up Starks if he missed this week.
shadyridr
Footballguy
MattFancy
Footballguy
I mean, even if you want to just look at what he did Sunday when Lacy went out, he was 12/33. So cool, 2.75ypc. Sure, Lacy could miss a game, but Starks doesn't look like he'll be the answer.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Last year and historical is pretty relevant, IMHO; just looking at this year to date doesn't tell the whole picture.
Starks career ypc is 4.2 (vs. Lacy's career of 4.4, FWIW). Last year when handling the bulk of the load, Starks ypc was 4.1. Just looking at last game when he was called in to do more, he averaged 2.8 YPC (not stellar, but again, puts the 1.8 ypc in a different light).
While I agree that Starks really hasn't shown the goods this year, he's had very limited opportunity to do so, and he certainly proved himself last year as a back who can handle that load -- and succeed doing it.
There were not too many cuffs that were sure things coming into the season in case the lead back went down. Starks was one of those guys, and imagine he was among the first cuffs off the board in most drafts.
No reason to think that Starks is a completely different guy this year as to last. Whether he succeeds filling in for Lacy this year is something we'll see if Lacy sits. But no question in my mind that he is the answer in terms of next guy up, and he's set up to do so well with history of success.
We'll see, but think that writing off Starks given a 1.8 ypc total this far this year is very premature.
MattFancy
Footballguy
I don't think you can just dismiss what he's done this year. He looks slow and his YPC show that. It would be different if Lacy's YPC wasn't very good, but when Lacy is at 5.5YPC and Starks is at 1.8YPC, that's a pretty sizable difference.
Just looking at the last game, Starks was 12/33. Lacy was 11/81. Lacy had 48 more yards on 1 less carry.
I don't think Starks is all that great. Even last season, his YPC was the same as Lacy's. I'm not running out to pick up Starks and I have Lacy on 2 teams.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
I would not pick up Starks but before the NYG game he had very few carries. I would judge him from last year (limited PPR potential).
And against the Giants, a lot of his carries were plays where GB was trying to run the clock and the Giants did a good job shutting down the run.
Starks's yardage on carries before the 4th quarter on SNF: 5, 4, 8, 10, 4, 2
Yardage on 4th quarter carries: -1, 1, 1, -1, 3, -3
And against the Giants, a lot of his carries were plays where GB was trying to run the clock and the Giants did a good job shutting down the run.
Starks's yardage on carries before the 4th quarter on SNF: 5, 4, 8, 10, 4, 2
Yardage on 4th quarter carries: -1, 1, 1, -1, 3, -3
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georg013
Footballguy
Yeah, now matter how much lipstick you put on it or how you dress it or spray it with perfume, Starks and Lacy are not comparable. Starks has not looked better running the ball. And this piece was written THIS week. Starks cannot be written off because he isnt even in the book. The minute the Packers go out and draft a new rookie, he will leapfrog over Starks into relevance. Starks is a nonfactor. Sorry to have to break it down like that. No one is rushing to waivers to add the guy. Just like no one rushed to sign him during free agency. He is a career back up. This season shows why.
