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I was thinking of trying to take advantage of frustrated Gronk owners and deal for him, but after reading these last few pages of post....I'm now scared to own him.
Good, Gronk deserves to get called out. I love how his camp distrusts the Pats medical team because of all this issues and surgeries yet the fact the guy was out in Vegas boozing and body slamming his boys in a cast had nothing to do with his current situation. My guess is you are looking at either Brady or a few of the offensive lineman that are calling him out.per Ed Werder of ESPN:
@Edwerderespn
Just filed to ESPN that Gronk won't play again and teammates can't reconcile what he does in practice with inability to go on game day.
@Edwerderespn
Players have begun to question Gronk directly and he's becoming more uncomfortable as tension builds.
To be fair to those guys, Gronk just shouldn't have been at practice until he was cleared to play. I think he's reasonable not to play if he's being told that his arm isn't fully healed but it looks bad to the team if he's out there dominating in practice while they have to go out on game days without him.per Ed Werder of ESPN:
@Edwerderespn
Just filed to ESPN that Gronk won't play again and teammates can't reconcile what he does in practice with inability to go on game day.
@Edwerderespn
Players have begun to question Gronk directly and he's becoming more uncomfortable as tension builds.
Considering how unusual it is for the Pats to air dirty laundry like this you have to wonder if Bellichik has given it the green light.Tight end Rob Gronkowski's continued absence from the New England Patriots' lineup has escalated tension among teammates who have begun questioning him about why he's not playing and left some wondering if he intends to play at all this season, according to multiple sources."There's curiosity and resentment, and he's creating it by going out and kicking ### during the week and then he doesn't show up on game day and help the team win," one source said.
[snip]
Teammates, coaches and other members of the organization have watched Gronkowski practice fully for weeks -- this week he was described as dominant as New Orleans Saints tight end Jimmy Graham while taking 50 reps a day on the scout team -- and yet he has not been available on a game day.
Teammates and coaches have seen him run patterns, catch passes, use his arm to pass protect, run block and to separate from defenders at the line of scrimmage, and they doubt a doctor would allow so much contact if there remained serious concern about the health of his forearm.
They are having difficulty reconciling seeing Gronkowski perform like that and then not take the field with them for the games.
"If he's not playing in games, he damn sure should not be doing what he is in practice," said the same source who mentioned resentment.
With the Patriots entering Sunday's game against the high-scoring Saints off a defeat to the Bengals in which New England scored the fewest points of the Tom Brady Era, teammates have begun to express their frustration directly to Gronkowski. Sources say the Patriots locker room has become increasingly uncomfortable for the tight end.
There are people in the organization who question whether Gronkowski intends to ever play this season.
"Whatever is holding him back now isn't going to be healed in two weeks, because there's nothing wrong with the arm," the source said.
You have no basis for saying his surgery was "butchered." Infections are a risk with any surgery. Hell, they're a risk whenever you get a needle stuck into you.Many FF types blasting Gronk.
When you take a step back, the Pats are the ones that look awful. The Pats' doctor butchered Gronk's procedure causing mega-post surgical problems. The method used, instead of giving it extra time to heal, led to re-break upon the first serious impact to the area because Gronk really shouldn't have been on the field. Now again, the Pats medical staff has cleared Gronk to play, he's been cleared for weeks. Whoopee! Problem is that Gronk's own doctor who did his most recent surgery has not cleared Gronk. They then bring in the renowned Dr Andrews to give a 3rd opinion and Dr Andrews, says "NO" he's not ready (some stooge even questioned if Andrews has any credentials to opine on arms).
Yes, Gronk is running around at full speed at practice. Big deal.
Also, he hasn't been able to lift at full tilt for months so his strength is much less than what it was
You are looking at this from an obviously biased perspective.I can't reconcile any of this, it really makes no sense to me.
I love haters like you... I'm 4-1, drafted my man Julius Thomas in the 16th and have started him every game. The addition of Gronk makes my team that much better.Tried to tell you gronk owners who are holding onto hope for gronk to save your seasons
One of the 'some teammates' mentioned in this was reported to be Brady.ESPN's Ed Werder reports Rob Gronkowski's (arm surgeries) continued absence from game day but participation in practice has created "tension among teammates," who have begun questioning why Gronk isn't playing.
Advice: Werder writes that some teammates have wondered "if (Gronk) intends to play at all this season, according to multiple sources." Said one source, "There's curiosity and resentment, and he's creating it by going out and kicking ### during the week and then he doesn't show up on game day and help the team win." Inarguably, there are "trust issues" between the Patriots and Gronkowski's camp because the team cleared him to return too soon last season, and he re-broke his arm in the playoffs. Gronkowski has reportedly been "dominant" on the practice field, where some contact is allowed. Said a second source, "If he's not playing in games, he damn sure should not be doing what he is in practice."
More: ESPN.com
(Rotoworld.com)
If the Saints roll over the Patriots today handing them their second loss in as many weeks then look for things to really get lively in New England
While I don't doubt it, I'd love to see some evidence of this.One of the 'some teammates' mentioned in this was reported to be Brady.ESPN's Ed Werder reports Rob Gronkowski's (arm surgeries) continued absence from game day but participation in practice has created "tension among teammates," who have begun questioning why Gronk isn't playing.
Advice: Werder writes that some teammates have wondered "if (Gronk) intends to play at all this season, according to multiple sources." Said one source, "There's curiosity and resentment, and he's creating it by going out and kicking ### during the week and then he doesn't show up on game day and help the team win." Inarguably, there are "trust issues" between the Patriots and Gronkowski's camp because the team cleared him to return too soon last season, and he re-broke his arm in the playoffs. Gronkowski has reportedly been "dominant" on the practice field, where some contact is allowed. Said a second source, "If he's not playing in games, he damn sure should not be doing what he is in practice."
More: ESPN.com
(Rotoworld.com)
If the Saints roll over the Patriots today handing them their second loss in as many weeks then look for things to really get lively in New England
exactly, what is another week or two going to do for his confidence playing with a plated forearm... Either way if he is practicing he had to be cleared in some fashion so either he is a little baby or the team is really shady as far as clearing people... bottom line is I believe Gronk will be on IR sooner then later so he is droppable in all redraft leagues... sorry fellas, got a good feeling that will happenWell then. Hard to see how we get from here to Gronk playing anytime soon. It's been four+ months since the arm surgery IIRC -- so you'd have to think we're looking at additional months rather than additional weeks. Nothing would surprise me now, including a trip to IR.
yep he's a frat boy punk living way over and above what he should with daddy and dr. andrews telling him he shouldn't play.. what a disaster.. I feel bad for the guys that drafted him in round 2 or 3... I grabbed him in round 9 and wished I wouldn't have. This situation is done for me... Hes goin on bench, thinkin of dropping the clown... This is total foolishness.Good, Gronk deserves to get called out. I love how his camp distrusts the Pats medical team because of all this issues and surgeries yet the fact the guy was out in Vegas boozing and body slamming his boys in a cast had nothing to do with his current situation. My guess is you are looking at either Brady or a few of the offensive lineman that are calling him out.per Ed Werder of ESPN:
@Edwerderespn
Just filed to ESPN that Gronk won't play again and teammates can't reconcile what he does in practice with inability to go on game day.
@Edwerderespn
Players have begun to question Gronk directly and he's becoming more uncomfortable as tension builds.
Why isn't it a big deal? As far as I know (i've read nothing to the contrary), he's been lifting at full tilt since he was cleared to start practicing again.Many FF types blasting Gronk.
When you take a step back, the Pats are the ones that look awful. The Pats' doctor butchered Gronk's procedure causing mega-post surgical problems. The method used, instead of giving it extra time to heal, led to re-break upon the first serious impact to the area because Gronk really shouldn't have been on the field. Now again, the Pats medical staff has cleared Gronk to play, he's been cleared for weeks. Whoopee! Problem is that Gronk's own doctor who did his most recent surgery has not cleared Gronk. They then bring in the renowned Dr Andrews to give a 3rd opinion and Dr Andrews, says "NO" he's not ready (some stooge even questioned if Andrews has any credentials to opine on arms).
Yes, Gronk is running around at full speed at practice. Big deal.
Also, he hasn't been able to lift at full tilt for months so his strength is much less than what it was
I disagree with that. The bigger issue is how well his arm heals and how well he plays football after it does.That being said, the bigger issue seems to be how his teamates/organization are viewing him and this situation.
denial is not just a river in egypt you knowLook at what YOU bolded. All that says is that Andrews consulted on the LAST surgery, from months ago. Not that he's seen him in the last week or so.Sounds like he saw the doc to me,That would certainly be odd too, although maybe Gronk has to go see Andrews on his own since it's not a team doctor or something, I don't know.Fair enough, but wouldn't it be more odd if Gronk is going to sit out another week because the Pats wouldn't spring $300 for a plane ticket for him to go see Dr. Andrews? If it's just a matter of seeing him, what's taking so long? This isn't your average joe trying to call in for an appointment.I was just Googling trying to find this same thing. A couple of places have written that Andrews "has not cleared" Gronkowski to play. I've yet to read anything that actually says that they saw each other, or that Andrews reviewed an X-ray or something. That seems extremely odd.Do we know that this happened? I've been looking, A LOT, at this situation, and I've read nothing that actually says Andrews has looked at Gronks are, or even just X-rays/MRIs. All I've read is that Gronk's agent wants Andrews to give clearance, and in the last few days, I've read that Andrews has not cleared him yet. But nothing says Andrews has said his arm isn't good to go. If he had already looked at Gronk's arm, don't you think we'd have seen at least one report that says "Dr. Andrews says Gronk's arm isn't ready?" We haven't seen that, just "Andrews hasn't cleared him."I think hes just reading the tea leaves; but what we know is that the Team Drs think hes good to go while Andrews comes in, looks at the arm and has not cleared the player. One has to wonder what Andrews' is waiting for and its totally possible he could recommend a re-do of the plate.Gonna need a link on this one.sounds like Andrews thinks the arm is in bad shape and needs to be totally re-done
I'm not saying that Andrews hasn't looked at Gronk, just that I can't find any evidence that he has. We all are assuming he looked at him and said "Your arm is jacked up," but why wouldn't we have SOMEONE reporting that, instead of "Gronk not cleared yet?"
Breaking News: PatsWillWin of the FBG messageboard has not cleared Gronkowski to play. Of course nobody would ever ask him that, but still - hasn't cleared him!
I'm not saying Andrews hasn't looked at an x-ray or something, I just find the wording on all of the reporting oddly vague. If the Patriots doctors have examined him and cleared him, and Andrews has examined him and not cleared him, that seems like a pretty significant story. But all we have is just a paragraph in an ESPN blog saying he hasn't been cleared.
And here's the Globe:
So Andrews hasn't cleared Gronkowski, but will not likely be the one to do so because he's not an expert in this injury. But Gronkowski's agent uses him for second opinions, so....?ESPN reported Friday that Gronkowski hadn’t received clearance to play by his hand-picked medical team of Dr. James Andrews, who consulted on Gronkowski’s last arm surgery, and orthopedic surgeon Dr. Jesse Jupiter, who performed the surgery at Massachusetts General Hospital.
A league source told the Globe Friday that the decision to return to the field is mostly up to Gronkowski, and the team is understanding of that. The team has cleared Gronkowski to return, and Gronkowski’s agent, Drew Rosenhaus, uses Andrews for many of his second opinions. But in this case, Andrews is not an expert in forearm injuries and will likely not be the one to clear Gronkowski to play again, according to the league source.
Gronkowski’s camp has advised the tight end to be cautious and listen to the advice of Andrews, but Andrews won’t be the one who says go play, the source said.
this is going down river fastA source tells ProFootballTalk that Rob Gronkowski (arm surgeries) will miss one more game, at most.
Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com
Oct 13 - 11:09 AM
"at most"??this is going down river fastA source tells ProFootballTalk that Rob Gronkowski (arm surgeries) will miss one more game, at most.
Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com
Oct 13 - 11:09 AM
Anger no but frustration can still hurt the team.@MikeGiardi: I will reiterate what I reported prior to Cincy: I polled # of Pats players. None expressed anger at Gronk. Repeated this week. Same result
So he's going to be back by week 8 for sure? Not sure how much faith we can put into this "source". Is PFT usually petty spot on with their sources?Dimenna said:A source tells ProFootballTalk that Rob Gronkowski (arm surgeries) will miss one more game, at most.
Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com
Oct 13 - 11:09 AM
He issued the "Code Red"!Considering how unusual it is for the Pats to air dirty laundry like this you have to wonder if Bellichik has given it the green light.Tight end Rob Gronkowski's continued absence from the New England Patriots' lineup has escalated tension among teammates who have begun questioning him about why he's not playing and left some wondering if he intends to play at all this season, according to multiple sources."There's curiosity and resentment, and he's creating it by going out and kicking ### during the week and then he doesn't show up on game day and help the team win," one source said.
[snip]
Teammates, coaches and other members of the organization have watched Gronkowski practice fully for weeks -- this week he was described as dominant as New Orleans Saints tight end Jimmy Graham while taking 50 reps a day on the scout team -- and yet he has not been available on a game day.
Teammates and coaches have seen him run patterns, catch passes, use his arm to pass protect, run block and to separate from defenders at the line of scrimmage, and they doubt a doctor would allow so much contact if there remained serious concern about the health of his forearm.
They are having difficulty reconciling seeing Gronkowski perform like that and then not take the field with them for the games.
"If he's not playing in games, he damn sure should not be doing what he is in practice," said the same source who mentioned resentment.
With the Patriots entering Sunday's game against the high-scoring Saints off a defeat to the Bengals in which New England scored the fewest points of the Tom Brady Era, teammates have begun to express their frustration directly to Gronkowski. Sources say the Patriots locker room has become increasingly uncomfortable for the tight end.
There are people in the organization who question whether Gronkowski intends to ever play this season.
"Whatever is holding him back now isn't going to be healed in two weeks, because there's nothing wrong with the arm," the source said.
The change in status has to happen at some point in time.What on earth could change between, say, the 120th day after a surgery and the 127th day?
I thought the same thing.the usual early week "he's playing"
Gotta keep those defensive coordinators on their toes, spending time prepping for a phantomI thought the same thing.the usual early week "he's playing"
Yeah, I have no idea who and what to believe at this point. Wouldn't be surprised if he plays this week and has a great game or doesn't play for another few weeks.the usual early week "he's playing"
I wondered the same thing. It doesn't make sense that there would be X amount of additional healing that would take place all of a sudden after so much time has already elapsed. However, maybe it has to do with the evaluation itself.What on earth could change between, say, the 120th day after a surgery and the 127th day?
I have no doubt when he returns he'll have a big game. The question will be can he play the rest of the season.Yeah, I have no idea who and what to believe at this point. Wouldn't be surprised if he plays this week and has a great game or doesn't play for another few weeks.the usual early week "he's playing"
I don't know what happened or what is going on behind the scenes, but a possible explanation would be if the docs conducted more tests, another MRI, xrays, etc. between day 120 and day 127 that showed his arm was 100%, Grade A good to go. That's the only thing I could think of, because as you said, a week this much later should have little change or impact on the healing process.What on earth could change between, say, the 120th day after a surgery and the 127th day?
This is sort of what I was getting at.I don't know what happened or what is going on behind the scenes
When does bread become toast?What on earth could change between, say, the 120th day after a surgery and the 127th day?