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Snap counts refer to his health. Pretty important for a guy who blew up his knee less than a year ago. Health leads to improving and getting back in shape. That leads to Gronk being Gronk, which leads to targets, which leads to catches, and points.
When he is on the field he needs to do what he used to do to get receptions... he is a gimp right now. I'm not sure we see anything more than we are seeing.
Thank you for clearing that up
and like I said, more snaps means he is getting back into shape. Once that happens, expect those targets and catches to go up. Half those plays out there he is probably gassed.Thank you for clearing that up
And yes, I'm sure it will improve eventually but pointing out his snap increases is nice but its being accompanied by a steady decline in targets. Whether that's on him, Brady, the O-line or Belicheck, the fact remains his targets have steadily decreased. I'll feel better when they increase. A lot. An increase will make me feel better that he's becoming more involved in the game plan.
He's not as explosive--which I expect to come with time--but he's still a major mismatch. I don't see a sloth, gimp, or any of the like, personally.
Right, I see a slightly less explosive guy who isnt in good shape................yet
Is it more snaps, or a higher % of snaps?and like I said, more snaps means he is getting back into shape. Once that happens, expect those targets and catches to go up. Half those plays out there he is probably gassed.Thank you for clearing that up
And yes, I'm sure it will improve eventually but pointing out his snap increases is nice but its being accompanied by a steady decline in targets. Whether that's on him, Brady, the O-line or Belicheck, the fact remains his targets have steadily decreased. I'll feel better when they increase. A lot. An increase will make me feel better that he's becoming more involved in the game plan.
I would say more snaps would be more important than snap % for Gronk right now.
Are you talking about his knee, or overall? There's no way he's near 100% overall.
NE had only 23 pass attempts last night. The whole NE offense sucked. That is in part why there was only 3 targets. I am more concerned about the NE offense than I am about Gronk's health.Thank you for clearing that up
And yes, I'm sure it will improve eventually but pointing out his snap increases is nice but its being accompanied by a steady decline in targets. Whether that's on him, Brady, the O-line or Belicheck, the fact remains his targets have steadily decreased. I'll feel better when they increase. A lot. An increase will make me feel better that he's becoming more involved in the game plan.
exactly, and he is in on almost all passing plays. who cares if he is on the bench rather than block for run plays or screens or whatever where he clearly wont be passed the ball? it doesnt hurt his value at all.
Dude, are you serious? NE ran less than 50 plays last night. What do you want them to do, put him on defense, have him cover kicks? He's recovering from a major injury, so they are managing his playing time; I doubt they planned on being as inept as they were last night, s they weren't going to play him evey snap of the first half then sit him in the second half. Since they had fewer plays to get him of the field for, the fact that his snap % went p is a good sign. You either realize this and are being deliberately obtuse, or just don't understand common sense.
My guess is they sort of us a percentage because they have no idea how many plays they will end up running.
The number of snaps he gets to me is the most important thing.
It's possible that he would function just fine on a full compliment of snaps but it makes more sense to ease him as it reduces propensity for re-injury. Still, you'll need to explain to me why Gronk was in with Garoppolo under center down 41-7 in the 4th if he isn't close to being a full go. I'll also continue to contend, regardless of what you'd like to see, that snap percentage is a much better indicator of how they plan to use him going forward than the raw snap count. Percentage tells us exactly how much they want to use him on offense, the actual numbers means nothing. It's like trusting variance over standard deviation, it's forgoes context.
Yeah, look at this ####### gimp bring three defenders with him into the end zone. It's amazing he was able to get any push with his bum knee, he's probably only using one leg right. Let's be honest, even if you're half right, it's not like Gronk relies on his ability to cut to get open. He's 6''6, all he has to do is run forward down the seem.
If Gronk was at or near 100%, he would be in for nearly 100% of the snaps, just like he was when healthy. That's not really in question, is it?
I'm not sure what you want. All they can do is play him a rising percentage of the snaps and assume that over time that will amount to him playing a rising total number of snaps.I'm questioning his physical progress from week 1 to week 4, and I think the actual number absolutely means something.
I agree. It is impossible not to notice that and seems pretty significant IMO
No, they can have him on a snap count, and adjust the percentage as the game situation dictates. I know some of you think this is some kind of off the wall idea, but it's much more likely that they have a target number of plays in mind than a target percentage of their plays.I'm not sure what you want. All they can do is play him a rising percentage of the snaps and assume that over time that will amount to him playing a rising total number of snaps.I'm questioning his physical progress from week 1 to week 4, and I think the actual number absolutely means something.
It's not like they're going to put him on a snap count and risk having to sit him through the entire 4th quarter of a close game because they used all his snaps early on.
This. I haven't seen any improvement. Obviously he can do some damage in his limited state (versus healthy), and on limited play... but I am not seeing anything better last week than week one.
Didn't he get injured on special teams a few years back? Belichick would just say "we have the best players playing."
Agreed. He is not running as fast as he used to and clearly has lost speed, at least for now. Its understandable, just disappointing to watch him look ordinary right now.
this.................and I have no doubt he will get back to his old Gronkishness.
I know this is off topic some but the FBG top 200 going forward runs very much counter to this concept. As Gronk is ranked as the 7th TE in PPR behind Delanie Walker, who in many leagues was probably not drafted.
Yes and no.
He is still a must start. I don't have an issue with his performance on it's own. It only hurts depending on how high you took him (2nd round for me).
I agree with many of your concerns, but am less pessimistic on the likely outcome. The offense doesn't need to be top 10-15 for Gronk to be a top 2-3 TE, IMO. He simply needs his 6 targets/game to increase to 8+. He needs his 4/40/1 games to turn into 6/65/1 games. The TDs will be there--10 feels conservative enough. If and when the Donnells, Bennetts, Kelces, and Walkers come back down to earth--Cooks and Cameron did last year--those TDs will create separation.
