Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
It is like a military Dream Cruise...North Korea is rolling their tanks down the road. These tanks are Type 59s, which are older than most of us.I guess that's charming in a sense.
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Willie Neslon
Footballguy
They always fail. Trump rhetoric is what has given this so much attention. NK tells their people they're always under constant threat of invasion, they test these missiles and then go on state tv and say the tests were a great success. In a way Trump guilty of almost exactly what KJI does which is fear mongering. Saw someone post on twitter last night that they couldn't sleep because they though nuclear was was imminent. Good grief. Dozens of issues way more pressing than NK.
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
If you want to worry about nukes, worry about the ones we have here in the US. They're old and run on antiquated systems, floppy disk technology or older. Even worse Rick Perry is in charge of them. Think about that if you want to worry.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I wouldn't rule anything out but we also know NK sucks at launches all on their own, problem is they'll eventually get it.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Quint
Footballguy
While the fact that the US hacked another country's missile program may be shocking to some
Really? Maybe someone born yesterday. We have a whole agency dedicated to hacking other countries.
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
Even if NK had working nukes tomorrow, what do you think would happen? Kim Jong-Un is a walking god in that country. How many in his harem? Eats whatever he wants to (obviously) in a country stricken with famine. He's going to give up that life for the hell of it? We'll act the second it becomes apparent NK is on the verge of something, until then we'll continue to do what we've always done there. Someone needs to buy some ad time on Hannity so Trump can know what the deal is.
The railgun is cool.
Even though we have an unlimited supply of $: with railgun projectiles costing 1/100th the price of conventional missiles.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
MikeIke
Footballguy
Nope, not even close to being utilized in the field. It's a great weapon system, though, and i have no doubt it will be operational in the near future.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
MikeIke
Footballguy
Makes it really secure. If your systems are that old, no one can hack into them.
Sand
Footballguy
They don't always fail. Their successful long range engine tests are very troubling (and those have been by and large successful). This attitude is shortsighted.
Not sure they'll be that, but even if they aren't super cheap a ship full of dead munitions is a terrific development.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Why does this make me think I am in the middle of a mid '80's Dungeons & Dragons game?
flapgreen
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Someone has to face the anti- aircraft firing squad do to this latest missile failure.
The Future Champs
Footballguy
Murica, #### yeah! Everyone else has got to be soooo jealous. Looking forward to some great vids of this thing in action.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
otb_lifer
Footballguy
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Still smells like Rodman, doesn't it?
"Trump stopped by this morning, SOB made me give him a rectal exam, now smell it or you will feel the wrath of my anti-aircraft guns."Caption this pic: Kim Jung-un
HellToupee
Footballguy
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Insoxicated
Everyone in the country is 5'2" tall... Hats + Lifts put them at a much more respectable, statuesque 5'7".
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Henry Ford
Footballguy
You say that now, but if you're caught in the wilderness without a bowl for your ramen, you'll wish you had one.
leftcoastguy7
Footballguy
Does anyone think NK would really be any kind of foe if the #### truly hit the fan? I think the US would instantly bring the shock & awe and it would all be over in the first 45 minutes. Immediately hit their artillery and all known & suspected missile launch sites with Tomahawks and carrier aircraft.
I doubt NK has a hidden, truck-mounted nuke that it could fire off successfully without us engaging it first. Hell, they can't even fire off an accurate missile with no pressure being put on them.
I doubt NK has a hidden, truck-mounted nuke that it could fire off successfully without us engaging it first. Hell, they can't even fire off an accurate missile with no pressure being put on them.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
We had almost 50,000 killed, missing or captured last time. Of course China got involved but they could get involved this time too.
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pats3in4
Footballguy
Let's assume you're correct. Let's also assume NK is on their own. In 45 minutes, it's over.
What do you think happens to Seoul in those 45 minutes, well within range of conventional weapons that NK keeps well-bunkered and has aimed at Seoul for decades?
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
We've been in Afghanistan for 15 years. You think NK, who's been preparing for this scenario for 50 years and has thousands of weapons pointed towards Seoul and its 24 million inhabitants, will just capitulate in 45 minutes?
I'm not saying they'd win or even survive a war, but this would be a global disaster if it ever came to happen.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Expectations are if the #### hits the fan there would be 200000-300000 dead South Koreans within the 1st hour
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
This is arguably the dumbest military assessment / prediction this site has ever seen
leftcoastguy7
Footballguy
The inhabitants of Seoul are also aware of the risks. They frequently take part in air raid drills.
https://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/03/11/why-north-korea-cant-flatten-seoul/
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Would China care? If so, then it isn't just NK civilian casualties we need to concern ourselves with.
culdeus
Footballguy
Accurate artillery has been around since the WW1 era. It's hard to take out even if you know where it is (See: D-Day) They can fire for effect into the heart of the city and flatten many skyscrapers before GBU type munitions can get off the ground. It would be a suicide type mission, but many would die.
Once the dust settles it would be all out war for more than 45 minutes, probably something like 10-14 days along the lines of the gulf war. Air superiority would take hold and there wouldn't be much left in 48 hours.
From there it's just a matter of how much door to door stuff has to happen, and if they go all ISIS on us.
pats3in4
Footballguy
The analyst who wrote the paper and did the number crunching for your link estimates 80,000 dead in Seoul even taking into consideration the shelters for up to 20 million people and the populace's readiness. And that's just for conventional weapons. Estimates for a chemical weapons attack are between 350,000 and 1,200,000 dead, depending on weather conditions.
Weebs210
Footballguy
So you are confirming or denying we could wipe out NK in 45 minutes?
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Of course they are. CNN makes bank when there's a war. They get amazing shots of missiles being fired, like when the Tomahawks were fired the other night.
Sand
Footballguy
Sand
Footballguy
They're still getting a tingle down their legs over the MOAB. Using it was fine - it was the right tool for the job. Beats sending in human capital. CNN was definitely playing up the "horror of a new tool of war."
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