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Kim is no fan of Alex Jones.Austin?
Kim is no fan of Alex Jones.Austin?
Well, the US definitely seems to be taking it a little more serious this time.Actually, the sabre rattling is getting a bit louder inside the walls here. Not joking.
There's nothing Obama can really do about North Korea being crazy. This is a problem that doesn't have a good solution. He's doing the best he can by showing a little force but keeping a cool head otherwise.Has Obama done anything in the ay of the initiatives carried forward by Clinton and Bush Jr.? Direct diplomacy on the nuclear reactor? Multi-nation talks? Anything?
He threw up quite a few bombs himself this weekend. He was 2 for 22.Has Obama done anything in the ay of the initiatives carried forward by Clinton and Bush Jr.? Direct diplomacy on the nuclear reactor? Multi-nation talks? Anything?
I wonder if all those pukes like Psy still want us to leave. Hippocrates.
Actually, the sabre rattling is getting a bit louder inside the walls here. Not joking.
THEY CALLED THEIR SHOT!!!!!1!/koreanbambinoYou know if they nuke us now we will feel REALLY stupid.
"Remember when they released a photo that showed where they were going to strike, yeah, that could have been a clue"
Ever see Dr. Straneglove?North Korean leaders have to know that if they fire any kind of nuke onto a populated area then there will be no more North Korean leadership, right? They have to know this factoid.
How do you know this?there are a lot of nutsos in that country's military who don't give a rats a** if they are alive tomorrow.North Korean leaders have to know that if they fire any kind of nuke onto a populated area then there will be no more North Korean leadership, right? They have to know this factoid.
I get that but it definitely illogical to think otherwise from any point of view.Ever see Dr. Straneglove?North Korean leaders have to know that if they fire any kind of nuke onto a populated area then there will be no more North Korean leadership, right? They have to know this factoid.
This no fiction of course, but there are a lot of nutsos in that country's military who don't give a rats a** if they are alive tomorrow.
They are also extremely warped in their view of reality.
How do you know this?there are a lot of nutsos in that country's military who don't give a rats a** if they are alive tomorrow.North Korean leaders have to know that if they fire any kind of nuke onto a populated area then there will be no more North Korean leadership, right? They have to know this factoid.
How does one know anything grasshopper?How do you know this?there are a lot of nutsos in that country's military who don't give a rats a** if they are alive tomorrow.North Korean leaders have to know that if they fire any kind of nuke onto a populated area then there will be no more North Korean leadership, right? They have to know this factoid.
I would not want to take that chanceTHEY CALLED THEIR SHOT!!!!!1!/koreanbambinoYou know if they nuke us now we will feel REALLY stupid.
"Remember when they released a photo that showed where they were going to strike, yeah, that could have been a clue"
For another example of the correlation between the disregard of the human life in the form of a dictator's/party's national subjects and the leaders' non-desire to maintain national preservation and their own lives, take a look at Nazi Germany. They went full throttle into national and personal self-destruction.How do you know this?there are a lot of nutsos in that country's military who don't give a rats a** if they are alive tomorrow.North Korean leaders have to know that if they fire any kind of nuke onto a populated area then there will be no more North Korean leadership, right? They have to know this factoid.
The lhucks of crazy despots?KJU is racking up serious warning points.
Interesting, but I'm sure you can find someone, somewhere, who likes KJU.The lhucks of crazy despots?KJU is racking up serious warning points.
A small part of me dies a little inside everytime somebody does this.I wonder if all those pukes like Psy still want us to leave. Hippocrates.
Going to have to unpack that a bitA small part of me dies a little inside everytime somebody does this.I wonder if all those pukes like Psy still want us to leave. Hippocrates.
Going to have to unpack that a bitA small part of me dies a little inside everytime somebody does this.I wonder if all those pukes like Psy still want us to leave. Hippocrates.
NK isn't crazy. They may make misjudgments, but they act with reason.There's nothing Obama can really do about North Korea being crazy. This is a problem that doesn't have a good solution. He's doing the best he can by showing a little force but keeping a cool head otherwise.Has Obama done anything in the ay of the initiatives carried forward by Clinton and Bush Jr.? Direct diplomacy on the nuclear reactor? Multi-nation talks? Anything?
How would you rate the way they treat their citizens? Forced starvation, mass gulags and state mandated almost total devaluation of all savings, as reasonable?North Korea doesn't act irrationally.
NK isn't crazy. They may make misjudgments, but they act with reason.There's nothing Obama can really do about North Korea being crazy. This is a problem that doesn't have a good solution. He's doing the best he can by showing a little force but keeping a cool head otherwise.Has Obama done anything in the ay of the initiatives carried forward by Clinton and Bush Jr.? Direct diplomacy on the nuclear reactor? Multi-nation talks? Anything?
Sure thing, Hippocrates.Going to have to unpack that a bitA small part of me dies a little inside everytime somebody does this.I wonder if all those pukes like Psy still want us to leave. Hippocrates.
They treat their citizens horribly. What's that have to do with being crazy?How would you rate the way they treat their citizens? Forced starvation, mass gulags and state mandated almost total devaluation of all savings, as reasonable?North Korea doesn't act irrationally.
NK isn't crazy. They may make misjudgments, but they act with reason.There's nothing Obama can really do about North Korea being crazy. This is a problem that doesn't have a good solution. He's doing the best he can by showing a little force but keeping a cool head otherwise.Has Obama done anything in the ay of the initiatives carried forward by Clinton and Bush Jr.? Direct diplomacy on the nuclear reactor? Multi-nation talks? Anything?
A bit hippersensitive are we?Sure thing, Hippocrates.Going to have to unpack that a bitA small part of me dies a little inside everytime somebody does this.I wonder if all those pukes like Psy still want us to leave. Hippocrates.
"Horribly" doesn't really reach it. I mean critics of the USA inside and out said our government was "horrible" for not providing state health insurance or care.They treat their citizens horribly. What's that have to do with being crazy?How would you rate the way they treat their citizens? Forced starvation, mass gulags and state mandated almost total devaluation of all savings, as reasonable?North Korea doesn't act irrationally.
NK isn't crazy. They may make misjudgments, but they act with reason.There's nothing Obama can really do about North Korea being crazy. This is a problem that doesn't have a good solution. He's doing the best he can by showing a little force but keeping a cool head otherwise.Has Obama done anything in the ay of the initiatives carried forward by Clinton and Bush Jr.? Direct diplomacy on the nuclear reactor? Multi-nation talks? Anything?
Nooooooooooooo!http://forumimages.footballguys.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/#EMO_DIR#/lol.gif Oh Jesus here we go.....Is there any way you could give us a break down of what north korea is doing wrong, tim? Tia
It seems like you know an awful lot about them, except for this."Horribly" doesn't really reach it. I mean critics of the USA inside and out said our government was "horrible" for not providing state health insurance or care.They treat their citizens horribly. What's that have to do with being crazy?How would you rate the way they treat their citizens? Forced starvation, mass gulags and state mandated almost total devaluation of all savings, as reasonable?North Korea doesn't act irrationally.
NK isn't crazy. They may make misjudgments, but they act with reason.There's nothing Obama can really do about North Korea being crazy. This is a problem that doesn't have a good solution. He's doing the best he can by showing a little force but keeping a cool head otherwise.Has Obama done anything in the ay of the initiatives carried forward by Clinton and Bush Jr.? Direct diplomacy on the nuclear reactor? Multi-nation talks? Anything?
Someone has to be on a whole other level of horror to do what they do. Their whole system of existence is irrational, in fact it's insane by definition, the whole thing is just plain mad.
There are several instances in world history where nice, calm, wealthy westerners just failed to contemplate just how crazy some dictatorial regimes could be.
I'm not saying I know what they will do, I'm just saying no one knows what they will do and they could act in what we would perceive to be a totally irrational, unreasoned, self-destructive fashion.
The institution of slavery was a pretty horrible thing, too. Was every President from Washington to Lincoln a raving lunatic capable of launching nukes at Paris on a whim?"Horribly" doesn't really reach it. I mean critics of the USA inside and out said our government was "horrible" for not providing state health insurance or care.
Someone has to be on a whole other level of horror to do what they do. Their whole system of existence is irrational, in fact it's insane by definition, the whole thing is just plain mad.
The institution of slavery was a pretty horrible thing, too. Was every President from Washington to Lincoln a raving lunatic capable of launching nukes at Paris on a whim?"Horribly" doesn't really reach it. I mean critics of the USA inside and out said our government was "horrible" for not providing state health insurance or care.
Someone has to be on a whole other level of horror to do what they do. Their whole system of existence is irrational, in fact it's insane by definition, the whole thing is just plain mad.
No, but we did end up in the bloodiest most deadliest war in our nation's history over it though. I'd say that was pretty darned crazy and self-destructive from the South's point of view considering they fired the first shot.The institution of slavery was a pretty horrible thing, too. Was every President from Washington to Lincoln a raving lunatic capable of launching nukes at Paris on a whim?"Horribly" doesn't really reach it. I mean critics of the USA inside and out said our government was "horrible" for not providing state health insurance or care.
Someone has to be on a whole other level of horror to do what they do. Their whole system of existence is irrational, in fact it's insane by definition, the whole thing is just plain mad.
And if Jefferson Davis had possessed nuclear weapons he would not have hesitated to use them.No, but we did end up in the bloodiest most deadliest war in our nation's history over it though. I'd say that was pretty darned crazy and self-destructive from the South's point of view considering they fired the first shot.The institution of slavery was a pretty horrible thing, too. Was every President from Washington to Lincoln a raving lunatic capable of launching nukes at Paris on a whim?"Horribly" doesn't really reach it. I mean critics of the USA inside and out said our government was "horrible" for not providing state health insurance or care.
Someone has to be on a whole other level of horror to do what they do. Their whole system of existence is irrational, in fact it's insane by definition, the whole thing is just plain mad.
It's built about preservation of the power of the political elite, which is why odds are they won't (intentionally) provoke a full blown war. They play a "crazy like a fox" game, just like Saddam did and just like the Iranians do, but that doesn't mean they're irrational. They are weighing cost and benefit and, while you disagree with the decisions they make and they certainly have unintended consequences that bit them in the ### from time to time (as is the case with every government, BTW), your moral objections to the way they conduct themselves don't make them irrational."Horribly" doesn't really reach it. I mean critics of the USA inside and out said our government was "horrible" for not providing state health insurance or care.They treat their citizens horribly. What's that have to do with being crazy?How would you rate the way they treat their citizens? Forced starvation, mass gulags and state mandated almost total devaluation of all savings, as reasonable?North Korea doesn't act irrationally.
NK isn't crazy. They may make misjudgments, but they act with reason.There's nothing Obama can really do about North Korea being crazy. This is a problem that doesn't have a good solution. He's doing the best he can by showing a little force but keeping a cool head otherwise.Has Obama done anything in the ay of the initiatives carried forward by Clinton and Bush Jr.? Direct diplomacy on the nuclear reactor? Multi-nation talks? Anything?
Someone has to be on a whole other level of horror to do what they do. Their whole system of existence is irrational, in fact it's insane by definition, the whole thing is just plain mad.
There are several instances in world history where nice, calm, wealthy westerners just failed to contemplate just how crazy some dictatorial regimes could be.
I'm not saying I know what they will do, I'm just saying no one knows what they will do and they could act in what we would perceive to be a totally irrational, unreasoned, self-destructive fashion.
Yow, good point.And if Jefferson Davis had possessed nuclear weapons he would not have hesitated to use them.No, but we did end up in the bloodiest most deadliest war in our nation's history over it though. I'd say that was pretty darned crazy and self-destructive from the South's point of view considering they fired the first shot.The institution of slavery was a pretty horrible thing, too. Was every President from Washington to Lincoln a raving lunatic capable of launching nukes at Paris on a whim?"Horribly" doesn't really reach it. I mean critics of the USA inside and out said our government was "horrible" for not providing state health insurance or care.
Someone has to be on a whole other level of horror to do what they do. Their whole system of existence is irrational, in fact it's insane by definition, the whole thing is just plain mad.
Well, you can take our moral objections out of it, the way they act is irrational generally, that's my point.It's built about preservation of the power of the political elite, which is why odds are they won't (intentionally) provoke a full blown war. They play a "crazy like a fox" game, just like Saddam did and just like the Iranians do, but that doesn't mean they're irrational. They are weighing cost and benefit and, while you disagree with the decisions they make and they certainly have unintended consequences that bit them in the ### from time to time (as is the case with every government, BTW), your moral objections to the way they conduct themselves don't make them irrational."Horribly" doesn't really reach it. I mean critics of the USA inside and out said our government was "horrible" for not providing state health insurance or care.They treat their citizens horribly. What's that have to do with being crazy?How would you rate the way they treat their citizens? Forced starvation, mass gulags and state mandated almost total devaluation of all savings, as reasonable?North Korea doesn't act irrationally.
NK isn't crazy. They may make misjudgments, but they act with reason.There's nothing Obama can really do about North Korea being crazy. This is a problem that doesn't have a good solution. He's doing the best he can by showing a little force but keeping a cool head otherwise.Has Obama done anything in the ay of the initiatives carried forward by Clinton and Bush Jr.? Direct diplomacy on the nuclear reactor? Multi-nation talks? Anything?
Someone has to be on a whole other level of horror to do what they do. Their whole system of existence is irrational, in fact it's insane by definition, the whole thing is just plain mad.
There are several instances in world history where nice, calm, wealthy westerners just failed to contemplate just how crazy some dictatorial regimes could be.
I'm not saying I know what they will do, I'm just saying no one knows what they will do and they could act in what we would perceive to be a totally irrational, unreasoned, self-destructive fashion.
Yeah, you're right. I shouldn't have put it that way. "Difficult" would have been a better choice of words.North Korea doesn't act irrationally.
NK isn't crazy. They may make misjudgments, but they act with reason.There's nothing Obama can really do about North Korea being crazy. This is a problem that doesn't have a good solution. He's doing the best he can by showing a little force but keeping a cool head otherwise.Has Obama done anything in the ay of the initiatives carried forward by Clinton and Bush Jr.? Direct diplomacy on the nuclear reactor? Multi-nation talks? Anything?
How do you distinguish irrational from "crazy like a fox"?Well, you can take our moral objections out of it, the way they act is irrational generally, that's my point.It's built about preservation of the power of the political elite, which is why odds are they won't (intentionally) provoke a full blown war. They play a "crazy like a fox" game, just like Saddam did and just like the Iranians do, but that doesn't mean they're irrational. They are weighing cost and benefit and, while you disagree with the decisions they make and they certainly have unintended consequences that bit them in the ### from time to time (as is the case with every government, BTW), your moral objections to the way they conduct themselves don't make them irrational."Horribly" doesn't really reach it. I mean critics of the USA inside and out said our government was "horrible" for not providing state health insurance or care.They treat their citizens horribly. What's that have to do with being crazy?How would you rate the way they treat their citizens? Forced starvation, mass gulags and state mandated almost total devaluation of all savings, as reasonable?North Korea doesn't act irrationally.
NK isn't crazy. They may make misjudgments, but they act with reason.There's nothing Obama can really do about North Korea being crazy. This is a problem that doesn't have a good solution. He's doing the best he can by showing a little force but keeping a cool head otherwise.Has Obama done anything in the ay of the initiatives carried forward by Clinton and Bush Jr.? Direct diplomacy on the nuclear reactor? Multi-nation talks? Anything?
Someone has to be on a whole other level of horror to do what they do. Their whole system of existence is irrational, in fact it's insane by definition, the whole thing is just plain mad.
There are several instances in world history where nice, calm, wealthy westerners just failed to contemplate just how crazy some dictatorial regimes could be.
I'm not saying I know what they will do, I'm just saying no one knows what they will do and they could act in what we would perceive to be a totally irrational, unreasoned, self-destructive fashion.
& not to get into that, but one sane thing Hussein could have done was let the inspectors in and another would have been to leave Iraq like the Shah, or maybe not have pretended to have a WMD program in the first place, etc.
MAD is no guarantee, and as I've said sane nations of the world like USA-USSR 1962 have gone to the brink and some of the more insane dictatorships of the past have gone right over it.
Amazes me some people say they know KJU or his pupeteers won't cross that line.
Yes, yes, Davis' affinity and desire for WMD's is well known.And if Jefferson Davis had possessed nuclear weapons he would not have hesitated to use them.No, but we did end up in the bloodiest most deadliest war in our nation's history over it though. I'd say that was pretty darned crazy and self-destructive from the South's point of view considering they fired the first shot.The institution of slavery was a pretty horrible thing, too. Was every President from Washington to Lincoln a raving lunatic capable of launching nukes at Paris on a whim?"Horribly" doesn't really reach it. I mean critics of the USA inside and out said our government was "horrible" for not providing state health insurance or care.
Someone has to be on a whole other level of horror to do what they do. Their whole system of existence is irrational, in fact it's insane by definition, the whole thing is just plain mad.
Chief of Staff General Martin Dempsey explains why Iran is a rational actor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkejCaytino. He got a heap load of crap over his comments.T Bell said:It's built about preservation of the power of the political elite, which is why odds are they won't (intentionally) provoke a full blown war. They play a "crazy like a fox" game, just like Saddam did and just like the Iranians do, but that doesn't mean they're irrational. They are weighing cost and benefit and, while you disagree with the decisions they make and they certainly have unintended consequences that bit them in the ### from time to time (as is the case with every government, BTW), your moral objections to the way they conduct themselves don't make them irrational.SaintsInDome2006 said:"Horribly" doesn't really reach it. I mean critics of the USA inside and out said our government was "horrible" for not providing state health insurance or care.Fennis said:They treat their citizens horribly. What's that have to do with being crazy?SaintsInDome2006 said:How would you rate the way they treat their citizens? Forced starvation, mass gulags and state mandated almost total devaluation of all savings, as reasonable?Fennis said:North Korea doesn't act irrationally.
NK isn't crazy. They may make misjudgments, but they act with reason.There's nothing Obama can really do about North Korea being crazy. This is a problem that doesn't have a good solution. He's doing the best he can by showing a little force but keeping a cool head otherwise.Has Obama done anything in the ay of the initiatives carried forward by Clinton and Bush Jr.? Direct diplomacy on the nuclear reactor? Multi-nation talks? Anything?
Someone has to be on a whole other level of horror to do what they do. Their whole system of existence is irrational, in fact it's insane by definition, the whole thing is just plain mad.
There are several instances in world history where nice, calm, wealthy westerners just failed to contemplate just how crazy some dictatorial regimes could be.
I'm not saying I know what they will do, I'm just saying no one knows what they will do and they could act in what we would perceive to be a totally irrational, unreasoned, self-destructive fashion.
This was a debate during the Cold War regarding the Soviets too. It's emotionally easy/satisfying to vilify an enemy as being irrational, less than human, etc. I think it tends to be counter-productive when you're trying to objectively analyze them as you need to.Chief of Staff General Martin Dempsey explains why Iran is a rational actor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkejCaytino. He got a heap load of crap over his comments.T Bell said:It's built about preservation of the power of the political elite, which is why odds are they won't (intentionally) provoke a full blown war. They play a "crazy like a fox" game, just like Saddam did and just like the Iranians do, but that doesn't mean they're irrational. They are weighing cost and benefit and, while you disagree with the decisions they make and they certainly have unintended consequences that bit them in the ### from time to time (as is the case with every government, BTW), your moral objections to the way they conduct themselves don't make them irrational.SaintsInDome2006 said:"Horribly" doesn't really reach it. I mean critics of the USA inside and out said our government was "horrible" for not providing state health insurance or care.
Someone has to be on a whole other level of horror to do what they do. Their whole system of existence is irrational, in fact it's insane by definition, the whole thing is just plain mad.
There are several instances in world history where nice, calm, wealthy westerners just failed to contemplate just how crazy some dictatorial regimes could be.
I'm not saying I know what they will do, I'm just saying no one knows what they will do and they could act in what we would perceive to be a totally irrational, unreasoned, self-destructive fashion.