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The North Korea Thread: Trump has completely blown this

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"They hosted a summit to start a new relationship" is what FoxNews said when they described Hillary as a traitor that one time when she gave Russia a 'reset' button.

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We seem to have the same skrewup on TWO really huge international issues going on at the same time in the same way.

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1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

We seem to have the same skrewup on TWO really huge international issues going on at the same time in the same way.

You have to give it time to play out.....don't get ahead of yourself.  It doesn't matter if you've read the book before, someone might have changed the ending after your last reading.  You just don't know until it all plays out.

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Just now, The Commish said:

You have to give it time to play out.....don't get ahead of yourself.  It doesn't matter if you've read the book before, someone might have changed the ending after your last reading.  You just don't know until it all plays out.

So...if I go back, I’m sure some were letting it not play out the whole time?  And not just now that it looks terrible?

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2 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

So...if I go back, I’m sure some were letting it not play out the whole time?  And not just now that it looks terrible?

Oh no....there was plenty of "success" declared...there's no question about that.  That too is ill advised.  

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12 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

We seem to have the same skrewup on TWO really huge international issues going on at the same time in the same way.

We don't though?

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According to South Korean Rep. Roh Hoe-chan, a top #US diplomat proposed that #NorthKorea and the US discuss three main things, one of which included a timeline of complete and verifiable denuclearization. Roh: "North Korea gave no response."

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23 minutes ago, Bucky86 said:

According to South Korean Rep. Roh Hoe-chan, a top #US diplomat proposed that #NorthKorea and the US discuss three main things, one of which included a timeline of complete and verifiable denuclearization. Roh: "North Korea gave no response."

This is incredibly predictable - these guys pulled the same crap with Clinton, Bush (both), etc.  Talk nice, duck and obfuscate, play for time, keep researching.

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24 minutes ago, Sand said:

This is incredibly predictable - these guys pulled the same crap with Clinton, Bush (both), etc.  Talk nice, duck and obfuscate, play for time, keep researching.

And was predicted by many, many, people in this thread only to be praised by the trolls that porn star Stormy Danielss lover Trump was at least trying. 

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1 hour ago, Sheriff Bart said:

And was predicted by many, many, people in this thread only to be praised by the trolls that porn star Stormy Danielss lover Trump was at least trying. 

This is one area I think DJT has done exactly the right thing.  War with NK is essentailly off the table since so many weapons are aimed at Seoul.  So, put in place crushing sanctions and then agree to talk.  If it doesn't work keep on with crushing sanctions.  This story is far from over - definitely middle innings.  NK seeing how far the leash extends is par for the course, and that seems to be where we are at the moment.

And it may well be that DJT does everything right and it still doesn't work.  That puts him on par with the last 4 presidents.

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5 minutes ago, Sand said:

This is one area I think DJT has done exactly the right thing.  War with NK is essentailly off the table since so many weapons are aimed at Seoul.  So, put in place crushing sanctions and then agree to talk.  If it doesn't work keep on with crushing sanctions.  This story is far from over - definitely middle innings.  NK seeing how far the leash extends is par for the course, and that seems to be where we are at the moment.

And it may well be that DJT does everything right and it still doesn't work.  That puts him on par with the last 4 presidents.

here is the thing:  war with NK was never really on the table.  neither was/is war with Russia.  It is all just spin.

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2 minutes ago, zoonation said:

here is the thing:  war with NK was never really on the table.  neither was/is war with Russia.  It is all just spin.

This

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21 minutes ago, Sand said:

And it may well be that DJT does everything right and it still doesn't work

 

2 hours ago, Sand said:

these guys pulled the same crap with Clinton, Bush (both),

So. 

Bush and Clinton engage. No real progress. Military maneuvers with SK continue

Trump engages: No real progress. Military maeuvers with SK stop.

1) How is this equitable?

2) How is this doing things right?

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On 6/12/2018 at 1:08 PM, knowledge dropper said:

This video gave me goosebumps.

What a leader!!!!

What a visionary!!!!

I think I haven’t been more proud of my country’s leadership since the height of the Reagan Administration 


http://www.wsj.com/video/trump-shows-kim-short-video-to-pitch-peace-during-north-korea-summit/956F8365-EB90-4FE6-B1B0-887821B1156C.html

MAGA

 

This has to be my favorite post in the entire thread.

:lmao::lmao:

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On 6/12/2018 at 4:08 PM, knowledge dropper said:

This video gave me goosebumps.

What a leader!!!!

What a visionary!!!!

I think I haven’t been more proud of my country’s leadership since the height of the Reagan Administration 


http://www.wsj.com/video/trump-shows-kim-short-video-to-pitch-peace-during-north-korea-summit/956F8365-EB90-4FE6-B1B0-887821B1156C.html

MAGA

 

ah hahahahaha

 

MAGA indeed.

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1 hour ago, Sand said:

This is one area I think DJT has done exactly the right thing.  War with NK is essentailly off the table since so many weapons are aimed at Seoul.  So, put in place crushing sanctions and then agree to talk.  If it doesn't work keep on with crushing sanctions.  This story is far from over - definitely middle innings.  NK seeing how far the leash extends is par for the course, and that seems to be where we are at the moment.

And it may well be that DJT does everything right and it still doesn't work.  That puts him on par with the last 4 presidents.

ETA:  Nevermind...covered

"war" <> "situation created by bafoonary and fear mongering"

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5 hours ago, zoonation said:

here is the thing:  war with NK was never really on the table.  neither was/is war with Russia.  It is all just spin.

Huh - repeated what I just finished saying.  Thanks for the backup.   :thumbup:

(And war with Russia is a non sequitur - not sure why bring it up when it isn't in discussions, isn't under consideration, even fancifully, and not germane to this conversation)

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2 hours ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:
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But in the days and weeks since then, U.S. negotiators have faced stiff resistance from a North Korean team practiced in the art of delay and obfuscation.

Diplomats say the North Koreans have canceled follow-up meetings, demanded more money and failed to maintain basic communications, even as the once-isolated regime’s engagements with China and South Korea flourish.

Meanwhile, a missile-engine testing facility that Trump said would be destroyed remains intact, and U.S. intelligence officials say Pyongyang is working to conceal key aspects of its nuclear program.

Not only is this an unmitigated disaster, but going almost EXACTLY as the non-Trumpers had predicted in this thread ~100 pages ago.

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A low point from the perspective of U.S. officials came during Pompeo’s third visit to Pyongyang on July 6 when he pressed North Korean officials for details on their plans to return the remains of U.S. soldiers killed during the Korean War, as they had agreed to do in Singapore. The issue had been discussed in several meetings and was viewed by the United States as an easy way for North Korea to demonstrate its sincerity.

But when Pompeo arrived in Pyongyang, the North Koreans insisted they were still not ready to commit to specific plans, according to diplomats familiar with the discussions.

The delay angered U.S. officials, who were under pressure to ­deliver given Trump’s premature ­announcement on June 20 that North Korea had already “sent back” the remains of 200 soldiers.

Oh look, more proof that Trump was lying.

 

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Oh...BUT MUH IRAN CASH!!!!!!

 

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“Diplomats say the North Koreans have canceled follow-up meetings, demanded more money and failed to maintain basic communications...” “demanded more money” “more”

 

 

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21 hours ago, [scooter] said:

Not only is this an unmitigated disaster, but going almost EXACTLY as the non-Trumpers had predicted in this thread ~100 pages ago.

I find it hard to celebrate something that was so unbelievably obviously going to happen that you’d have to be mentally infirm to have given any other option more than a 5% chance. 

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4 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

I find it hard to celebrate something that was so unbelievably obviously going to happen that you’d have to be mentally infirm to have given any other option more than a 5% chance. 

No wonder my wife wasn't impressed when I accurately predicted that each person teeing off on the Par 3's at the British Open wouldn't get a hole in one. :(

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59 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

I find it hard to celebrate something that was so unbelievably obviously going to happen that you’d have to be mentally infirm to have given any other option more than a 5% chance. 

You mean you just can’t hold a summit say a bunch of lies and bull ####?

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1 hour ago, urbanhack said:

You mean you just can’t hold a summit say a bunch of lies and bull ####?

In 2018 if you're POTUS you can.

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22 hours ago, Bucky86 said:

Oh...BUT MUH IRAN CASH!!!!!!

 

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“Diplomats say the North Koreans have canceled follow-up meetings, demanded more money and failed to maintain basic communications...” “demanded more money” “more”

 

 

But see, this is different because we’re giving money to North Korea.  That’s better than releasing a hold on funds we would have had to release back to Iran eventually anyway because it was theirs and settling a contract from 40 years ago. 

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It's almost as if Trump doesn't know what he's doing. 

And his supporters follow him from bad scheme to bad scheme, using other people's money to continue to place bad bets on a con-man who has already shown you, at every step along the way, that he's a con man.

So long as he's an entertaining con man, they don't seem to care that he's causing incredible harm to our country.  And hey...it's not their lives at risk?  Just those muslims...those immigrants...those minorities.  The poor.  Those people not me...it's entertaining to watch Trump stick it to the liberals, and all the folks who have to pay the bill for this entertainment...ahh, who cares about them anyway right?  They're not "Murica".

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21 minutes ago, Matthias said:

It's rough when you think you're the best at something and get outclassed.

By a chubby 35 year old trust fund baby with a ten year old’s haircut. 

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1 hour ago, Punxsutawney Phil said:

As long as they aren't testing rockets I don't think anyone will care about any of this.

They haven't tested rockets since four months before the scam meeting. HTH

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