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Yea...they just hired the Az guy, who has a Rutgers background. Ron Turner (old Illini HC, Bears OC, and Colts QB coach) was the guy last year. He left to coach FIU....and Schiano hired McNulty. Agree that doesn't excite anyone.But I'm pretty sure Sullivan is involved heavily with Freeman.
Totally agree with this post. Can't see Freeman really being challenged by Glennon this year. There always has to be one "sleeper" QB who comes in and steals the job in the preseason. Last year it was Russell Wilson and that worked out. But Wilson is way better than Glennon and Freeman is definitely better than Matt Flynn too.
Who's the last legit #1 QB you can name who peaked by age 24?
Disagreed. Barring a ridiculous spate of injuries, the real expectation is for Josh Freeman to lead the Bucs to the playoffs this year.
TB was 14th in offense, 20th in defense and 28th in special teams last year, per Football Outsiders.
I think it depends on why they missed the playoffs if they do.
Maybe the Bucs aren't considering getting rid of him? It's entirely possible the media has cooked up all of this controversy. It wouldn't be the first time.
No, it wouldn't be the first time or the last. But in this case, Schiano's own comments heat up the QB controversy. The media can take comments out of context to make the headline scream. But Schiano isn't doing Freeman any favors with his little parting shots at the end of interviews. Can't blame the media for taking the bait and running with it. It's what they do.
He's saying Josh is the starter.
When you look at the other QB options that were on the roster before the draft it's obvious they needed to add a QB at some point. Were they supposed to just draft a guy who had no chance of being anything to appease Josh and make him feel good about himself? The Patriots didn't do that. The Packers didn't do that. Good organizations don't do that.
Well maybe so. We're on the outside looking in. But Schiano's comments sure seem to fit into the narrative that the front office is on board with Freeman, but the coach is looking to get rid of him.Given the unlikelihood that I'm going to find a better QB, if I were Tampa's front office I'd absolutely have extended Freeman, yes. Worst case you get last year -- and the odds are pretty good that he's going to get better at 25-26 and then plateau to 30. I also think it's a +$$ play to do it now as well since I think you could sign him today for less than he'll draw on the open market.It's not that I think Freeman is a world-beater (though I so still think he could develop into a top-10/12 QB), it's that the alternatives just aren't there. You're probably stuck with him either way unless you want to suck for a decade.And it's not like Freeman's a malcontent or slacker -- he works hard, he's never been in trouble and appears to give what he's got. So instead of letting your coach piss on the guy (the same way he reportedly pisses on a lot of other people), build him up.
Maybe they did it to improve their negotiation position when they do re-sign him. He's played good enough that they'd bring him back for the right price, but if he wants to get paid like one of the top QB's in the league they are getting prepared to move on without him.
We have no idea what he's asking for, do we? Frankly, I don't see there being huge demand for his services if he were a free agent today.
This is a good framework, but where we differ is:If Freeman plays average then the team is going to pay him a big contract if they want to keep him. Average NFL QBs heading into their prime are scarce, and command big salaries. Cutler is making $8.5m this year. Palmer is making $13m. Alex Smith is making $7.5m. Flacco is making... well who knows. Let's call it $16m. None of those guys is a world-beater. And all of them are a lot older than Freeman -- whose next contract will be through his prime years of ~26-30. He's going to get paid.And IMO there is approximately a 0.1% chance Mike Glennon develops into a viable (let alone average) NFL starter. So unless you want to suck, possibly for a long time (see above: finding average QBs is really hard) you need to love the one you're with.
That's why I said re-signing him after an average season is the least preferable. They are easily looking at $8M even if he shows no improvement. I'm sure they'd love to pay him more if he's like Flacco and wins the Super Bowl.
OK, you would know better than I. But another thing that sometimes matters is the side of the ball the Head Coach is from, and of course both Morris and Schiano are from the defensive side. Anyway, probably not a big deal. Just seems to me that he hasn't gotten the coaching. Certainly some of it is on him. But imagine if Gruden was still around when he got there. Would have been nice to see.gump said:
Agree...im one of the Buc fans who never wanted Gruden to leave...Not sure we would have drafted him, but Freeman would be a pro bowler by now.
I heard that interview on the local radio. I don't know if it adds any context, but he sounded kind of nervous. Very talkative. Not like the Josh Freeman I'm used to hearing. Rambling even. I thought that was odd. He also missed the first day of his namesake football camp, over car troubles or something. Maybe it's nothing, but it sure looks like he's dealing with some real pressure, whether it's professional or in his personal life.
Ok...that all?
So the Bucs spent huge money on Jackson, Nicks, Revis, Goldson, re-signing Mike Williams and Davin Joseph, etc. only to tank it in 2014? That's pure genius. You don't pay those guys if your starting QB is Mike Glennon.
Vjax and Williams looked like they were sleep walking....Freeman looked decent at the beginning, but he had no help. And I'm not a fan of his.
