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RB Giovani Bernard, TB (1 Viewer)

lod01 said:
'.....catches 100 passes'. :excited:
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That might have been an exaggeration. :)

I do think Bernard is one of the better pass catching RBs. What have some of the top receiving RBs done?

Faulk (Marshall) - Career high of 87 in '99, his first year in STL (86 in '98, his last in IND). He had 80+ five years in a row from '98-'02.

Westbrook - Career high of 90 in '07 (next two highest were 77 and 73).

Bush - Career high of 88 as a rookie in '06. Next highest 73 in '07.

LT - Career high of 100 in '03. Next 79 in '02.

* Larry Centers was an unusual case, he had a career high of 115 in '96, 114 in '94, 101 in '97.

 
I'm worried he's this year's Spiller... ultra talented, handcuffed by some combination of coaching and durability. I took him in the late 2nd in a $250 PPR recently but I think that's the only team where I'll own him this year.

 
In his healthy year with Hugh Jackson, DMC had 47 receptions in 13 games (pro-rates to 58). Gio may be a better receiver, but 100 seems unlikely.

60-75 would be nice, though.

 
Giovani Bernard - RB - Bengals
OC Hue Jackson said Giovani Bernard has had an "outstanding camp" so far.
Bernard's first training camp as the unquestioned starter is going well. "He's so explosive, he can catch the ball, he's a tough son of a gun. He protects. He blocks," Jackson said. With Jackson installing a run-based offense, we could easily see 400 total carries for Bernard and power complement Jeremy Hill. Gio is also going to be a huge factor as a receiver.


Source: CBS Sports
Jul 31 - 11:24 AM

 
Im not saying that will happen for sure but if it does That is what you can count on... 1700 yards from scrimmage 12 tds and 60 catches...

 
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jurb26 said:
Rick James said:
jurb26 said:
Easily see 400 carries... :lol: pump the breaks a little.
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combined between Gio and Hill.
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Ahh, misread that the first time. Thanks. Yeah that makes perfect sense.
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240 for Gio and 160 for Hill... Gio should be right around 240 carries and 60-70 catches and he is a legit top 4 Rb in dynasty ppr.... Period fellas.
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I'd go with more a 220 for Hill 180 for Gio split with Gio getting around 60-70 catchers. Either way he's got great value in PPR.
 
Rotoworld:

The Cincinnati Enquirer believes Giovani Bernard will get a "good share" of the goal-line carries as part of 300 total touches.

It's been widely assumed that power back Jeremy Hill will get goal-line work, but Bernard actually stole some from BenJarvus Green-Ellis last year. Bernard's five rushing touchdowns as a rookie came from 7, 3, 3, 1, and 35 yards out, proving the Bengals' staff isn't averse to using the 208-pounder in that role.

Related: Jeremy Hill

Source: Cincinnati Enquirer

Aug 13 - 10:25 AM
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Good leg drive too. He was stoned by about four green shirts at the 1 yard line, but pushed his way in. If he can get most of/all of the GL work, his value will be through the roof.

 
The way my league works, I could protect Peterson and lose a second round pick, or Bernard and lose a seventh round pick. I'm really struggling with it. I realize Peterson is the better back, but the difference in rounds stops it from being a no brainer. Loved seeing Bernard in at the goal line :thumbup:

 
I know J. Hill left the game early. Did Gio get the GL looks before or after that?

 
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Rotoworld:

Giovani Bernard has played on every single first-team snap during the preseason so far.

Andy Dalton has handled 25 first-team reps through two games and Bernard has been right there with him for each one. That's meant passing downs, red-zone, short-yardage, and goal-line work (Bernard scored on a 1-yard run Saturday night). However, he's produced just 32 yards on his 10 carries, showing the same limited efficiency he did last season (4.08 YPC). We'll be interested to see if Hue Jackson mixes in BenJarvus Green-Ellis and/or Jeremy Hill (questionable, shoulder) in the revealing third preseason game. For now, projections of 300 touches and some goal-line work for Bernard seem very realistic.

Related: Jeremy Hill, BenJarvus Green-Ellis

Source: Adam Levitan on Twitter

Aug 17 - 11:15 PM
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I realize this guy passes the eye ball test but how come it seems everyone ignores his low ypc which seems to have continued this preseason

 
shadyridr said:
I realize this guy passes the eye ball test but how come it seems everyone ignores his low ypc which seems to have continued this preseason
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It's possible he may have hit the rookie wall a bit last year. His last three games were net below 2 YPC. The rest of the season was pretty efficient. Also, not that beating BJGE is some great accomplishment, but Gio was well above his teammate running behind the same line in the same scheme.

 
Holy Schneikes said:
shadyridr said:
I realize this guy passes the eye ball test but how come it seems everyone ignores his low ypc which seems to have continued this preseason
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It's possible he may have hit the rookie wall a bit last year. His last three games were net below 2 YPC. The rest of the season was pretty efficient. Also, not that beating BJGE is some great accomplishment, but Gio was well above his teammate running behind the same line in the same scheme.
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A lot of that has to do with a disproportionate amount of difficult run defenses faced for BJGE compared to Gio. Naturally, it makes sense Gio would be in the more favorable situation because of his duel threat ability and down usage by Cinci. Still, it's worth noting that this wasn't simply a disparity in talent. Yes there is a disparity of talent as well bit that isn't the whole story. Gio just wasn't THAT good of a runner last year.Here is a good article to help illustrate.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/04/09/the-impact-of-defensive-packages-on-yards-per-carry/

 
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jurb26 said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
shadyridr said:
I realize this guy passes the eye ball test but how come it seems everyone ignores his low ypc which seems to have continued this preseason
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I dont know that I feel like it's "low"....Same as Lynch and Lacy last year
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People seem to point outs Lacy's as low all the time.
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I haven't been in that thread in a while. I guess I figured it was typical for a rookie. It's also very similar to Ray Rice and Brian Westbrook's rookie years 2 guys he draws major comps to
 
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This is a list of RB's with over 4 YPC on 150+ carries their rookie year since 2000. There were a total of 52 rookies with 150+ carries so he was right in the middle. Gio's rookie YPC was higher than Lynch, McGahee, Forte, Stacy, Moreno, Bush and LT.

Gio has the most receptions of any rookie on this list.

Code: 
        NAME 	        POS 	YR 	AGE 	EXP 	G 	RSH 	RSHYD 	YD/RSH 	RSHTD 	REC 	RECYD 	YD/REC 	RECTD 	FANT PT1	MJD	        rb	2006	21	1	16	166	941	5.67	13	46	436	9.48	2	227.72	Adrian Peterson	rb	2007	22	1	14	238	1341	5.63	12	19	268	14.11	1	238.93	Clinton Portis	rb	2002	21	1	16	273	1508	5.52	15	33	364	11.03	2	289.24	DeMarco Murray	rb	2011	23	1	13	163	895	5.49	2	26	183	7.04	0	119.85	Mike Anderson	rb	2000	27	1	14	297	1487	5.01	15	23	169	7.35	0	255.66	L. Blount	rb	2010	24	1	13	201	1007	5.01	6	5	14	2.80	0	138.17	Chris Johnson	rb	2008	23	1	15	251	1228	4.89	9	43	260	6.05	1	208.88	Alfred Morris	rb	2012	24	1	16	335	1606	4.79	13	11	77	7.00	0	246.39	Joseph Addai	rb	2006	23	1	16	226	1081	4.78	7	40	325	8.13	1	188.610	Steve Slaton	rb	2008	22	1	16	268	1282	4.78	9	50	377	7.54	1	225.911	Dominic Rhodes	rb	2001	22	1	15	233	1104	4.74	9	34	224	6.59	0	186.812	Kevin Jones	rb	2004	22	1	15	241	1133	4.70	5	28	180	6.43	1	167.313	Doug Martin	rb	2012	23	1	16	319	1454	4.56	11	49	472	9.63	1	264.614	Jon Stewart	rb	2008	21	1	16	183	833	4.55	10	8	47	5.88	0	148.015	Chris Wells	rb	2009	21	1	16	176	793	4.51	7	12	143	11.92	0	135.616	Marcel Shipp	rb	2002	24	1	15	188	834	4.44	6	38	413	10.87	3	178.717	Jamal Lewis	rb	2000	21	1	16	309	1364	4.41	6	27	296	10.96	0	202.018	Ronnie Brown	rb	2005	24	1	15	207	907	4.38	4	32	232	7.25	1	143.919	Dom.Williams	rb	2003	23	1	14	238	1031	4.33	8	47	351	7.47	0	186.220	Mike Bell  	rb	2006	23	1	15	157	677	4.31	8	20	158	7.90	0	131.521	R.Mathews	rb	2010	23	1	12	157	675	4.30	7	22	145	6.59	0	124.022	L.Washington	rb	2006	24	1	16	151	650	4.30	4	25	270	10.80	0	116.023	L.Maroney	rb	2006	21	1	14	175	745	4.26	6	22	194	8.82	1	135.924	A.Thomas	rb	2001	24	1	14	278	1183	4.26	7	22	178	8.09	0	178.125	Roy Helu   	rb	2011	23	1	15	151	640	4.24	2	49	379	7.73	1	119.926	Julius Jones	rb	2004	23	1	8	197	819	4.16	7	17	109	6.41	0	134.827	Eddie Lacy	rb	2013	22	1	15	284	1178	4.15	11	35	257	7.34	0	209.528	L.McCoy	        rb	2009	21	1	16	155	637	4.11	4	40	308	7.70	0	118.529	Kevin Smith	rb	2008	22	1	16	238	976	4.10	8	39	286	7.33	0	174.230	Gio Bernard	rb	2013	22	1	16	170	695	4.09	5	56	514	9.18	3	168.931	Cad. Williams	rb	2005	23	1	14	290	1178	4.06	6	20	81	4.05	0	161.9
 
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leftcoastguy7 said:
I don't think there is going to be any middle ground for Gio. He'll either be a top 6 overall draft choice for next year or a complete bust.
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Well that's kind of silly. There is plenty of "middle ground."

 
The running game looks U-G-L-Y so far. Gio has 3 carries for -3 yards. He's dancing because there are no holes. Cincy's OL getting abused.

 
Raider Nation said:
The running game looks U-G-L-Y so far. Gio has 3 carries for -3 yards. He's dancing because there are no holes. Cincy's OL getting abused.
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Andre Smith at least it out...not sure if any other OL starters are.

 
shadyridr said:
The guy had a low ypc last yr too and everyone seemed to ignore it
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He had the same YPC as Marshawn Lynch and Eddie Lacy (4.1). Even averaged half a yard better YPC than LeVeon Bell. Bernard also had 56 receptions and averaged a very solid 9 YPR; 7th in receiving among RBs.ETA - Corrected stats.

 
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This off-season has turned into the YPC panic. Gio is too talented to be benched. If the ypc stat says otherwise then It should be ignored.

 
I've never seen so much over reaction to YPC in the preseason. it's not a normal game and the flow isn't going to always be there. good gravy

 
golfguy said:
I've never seen so much over reaction to YPC in the preseason. it's not a normal game and the flow isn't going to always be there. good gravy
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Weeks 1, 2 and 4 of the preseason, you can take with a grain of salt. This week is supposed to be like the real thing. And I'm not sure an effective running game is something you can just turn on and off whenever you feel like it.

ETA: I should add that it's in my nature to worry about everything.... so there's that.

 
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Gio has been overrated as a runner by the fantasy community. The preseason has little to do with that. None the less, I just drafted him at 2.02.

 
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Raider Nation said:
golfguy said:
I've never seen so much over reaction to YPC in the preseason. it's not a normal game and the flow isn't going to always be there. good gravy
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Weeks 1, 2 and 4 of the preseason, you can take with a grain of salt. This week is supposed to be like the real thing. And I'm not sure an effective running game is something you can just turn on and off whenever you feel like it.

ETA: I should add that it's in my nature to worry about everything.... so there's that.
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Even if week 3 of preseason was a full bore regular season simulation (it's not...they still hold back a lot in their play calling) good players have poor games all the time....even in the actual regular season.

He put up 5-18 rushing and 1-9 receiving in a regular season game last year. He then followed it up with 104 yards and a 2 TDs the next week.

That said, this was the first time I examined his rushing stats closely and I was pretty surprised by how many really bad games he had. 15-28, 13-33, 13-20, 13-22. Yikes.

 
True, but there's a big difference between Jamaal Charles and Darren Sproles and his current dynasty value dictates that people think he can be more Charles than Sproles.

 
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