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Hitler will always be an atheist left-wing socialist Jewish homosexual elitist to me. :coffee:

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Hitler did not invent the interwebs. Pickles did. ?This much is fact11.

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Hey Tim, since Hitler was far right (even though there are a lot of people who won't accept it, like my whack job colleague) why do gun enthusiasts always point to Hitler as the prime example of what happens when an evil dictator takes away guns?

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First they came for the lies told about Hitler,

and I did not speak out, because I didn't tell lies about Hitler.

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Hey Tim, since Hitler was far right (even though there are a lot of people who won't accept it, like my whack job colleague) why do gun enthusiasts always point to Hitler as the prime example of what happens when an evil dictator takes away guns?

Because only simpletons consider the political spectrum to be linear.

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3. Hitler did not seize guns. (This is argued by the NRA and its supporters.) In fact, private gun ownership actually increased during the Third Reich as restrictions were lifted which had been placed on gun owners during the Weimar regime. It is true that Jews were restricted from owning guns, but this did not occur until several years after the Nuremberg laws (expelling Jews from German social life) were already in place, and it was largely for show, since extremely few of Germany's Jews were armed in the first place.

Did he not take them from Jews?

Jews don't count in Tim's world.

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timschochet, on 29 Apr 2013 - 13:11, said:3. Hitler did not seize guns. (This is argued by the NRA and its supporters.) In fact, private gun ownership actually increased during the Third Reich as restrictions were lifted which had been placed on gun owners during the Weimar regime. It is true that Jews were restricted from owning guns, but this did not occur until several years after the Nuremberg laws (expelling Jews from German social life) were already in place, and it was largely for show, since extremely few of Germany's Jews were armed in the first place.

So he didn't seize guns (or restrict gun ownership)...until he did?On a side note, I think Hitler would have loved internet cat videos just like the rest of us.

He did not seize guns from people who weren't Jewish. it wasn't about gun control or keeping guns from anyone but Jews. The way it is portrayed by the gun sycophants in this country is historically wrong. Germans owned plenty of guns and never used them to try to stop Hitler. So much for that whole stopping tyranny thing.

I'm still shaking my head over this post. :sadbanana:

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so tim, are you defending him, vilifying him or is there another agenda here? serious question. i have no notebook

Defending him? No. I am just trying to set the record straight as Hitler is used in all these arguments in order to push agendas that had nothing to do with him- gun rights being one example.
What's the point? Why does it matter to you? Do also care that JFK or reagan is misrepresented or misinterpreted ? What about Stalin? Khaddafi? Amin? Hirohito?

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so tim, are you defending him, vilifying him or is there another agenda here? serious question. i have no notebook

Defending him? No. I am just trying to set the record straight as Hitler is used in all these arguments in order to push agendas that had nothing to do with him- gun rights being one example.
What's the point? Why does it matter to you? Do also care that JFK or reagan is misrepresented or misinterpreted ? What about Stalin? Khaddafi? Amin? Hirohito?

A line has to be drawn somewhere! Please let's stop the display of horrible historical fact citing at Hitler.

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so tim,

are you defending him, vilifying him or is there another agenda here?

serious question. i have no notebook

Tim just likes to answer questions no one asks and then add pithy condescending notes at the end to no one in particular.

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Hitler wanted to be an architect or marine biologist.

He was mad because he knew he'd never be either so yada-yada-yada Steinbrenner buys the Yankees.

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timschochet, on 29 Apr 2013 - 13:11, said:3. Hitler did not seize guns. (This is argued by the NRA and its supporters.) In fact, private gun ownership actually increased during the Third Reich as restrictions were lifted which had been placed on gun owners during the Weimar regime. It is true that Jews were restricted from owning guns, but this did not occur until several years after the Nuremberg laws (expelling Jews from German social life) were already in place, and it was largely for show, since extremely few of Germany's Jews were armed in the first place.

So he didn't seize guns (or restrict gun ownership)...until he did?On a side note, I think Hitler would have loved internet cat videos just like the rest of us.

He did not seize guns from people who weren't Jewish. it wasn't about gun control or keeping guns from anyone but Jews. The way it is portrayed by the gun sycophants in this country is historically wrong. Germans owned plenty of guns and never used them to try to stop Hitler. So much for that whole stopping tyranny thing.

I'm still shaking my head over this post. :sadbanana:

Why? Because it doesn't agree with your world view?

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Hitler got his "Golden Bear" nickname because he want to Cal.

And is the only PAC graduate to have dotted the i in Ohio.

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Why? Because it doesn't agree with your world view?

More because it's simply silly. "Well, the only people he REALLY kept guns from was the Jews."But you can go with the "competing worldview" thing if you like.

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Why? Because it doesn't agree with your world view?

More because it's simply silly. "Well, the only people he REALLY kept guns from was the Jews."But you can go with the "competing worldview" thing if you like.

Why is that silly? If gun ownership among the rest of the German people increased, it's relevant.

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timschochet, on 29 Apr 2013 - 13:11, said:3. Hitler did not seize guns. (This is argued by the NRA and its supporters.) In fact, private gun ownership actually increased during the Third Reich as restrictions were lifted which had been placed on gun owners during the Weimar regime. It is true that Jews were restricted from owning guns, but this did not occur until several years after the Nuremberg laws (expelling Jews from German social life) were already in place, and it was largely for show, since extremely few of Germany's Jews were armed in the first place.

So he didn't seize guns (or restrict gun ownership)...until he did?On a side note, I think Hitler would have loved internet cat videos just like the rest of us.

He did not seize guns from people who weren't Jewish. it wasn't about gun control or keeping guns from anyone but Jews. The way it is portrayed by the gun sycophants in this country is historically wrong. Germans owned plenty of guns and never used them to try to stop Hitler. So much for that whole stopping tyranny thing.

I'm still shaking my head over this post. :sadbanana:

Why? Because it doesn't agree with your world view?

I think (and I'm just guessing here) that it's because Tim goes out of his way to "set the facts straight" and one of his six facts is prima facie completely false. Whether or not it occurred at a time where it would have made a huge difference, Hitler did in fact seize guns.

So kinda flies in the face of setting the record straight when one of 6 "facts" is not a fact.

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so tim,

are you defending him, vilifying him or is there another agenda here?

serious question. i have no notebook

Defending him?

No. I am just trying to set the record straight as Hitler is used in all these arguments in order to push agendas that had nothing to do with him- gun rights being one example.

What's the point? Why does it matter to you? Do also care that JFK or reagan is misrepresented or misinterpreted ? What about Stalin? Khaddafi? Amin? Hirohito?

We all have our pet peaves. Tim's pet peave is similar to Bob's, in the movie What About Bob, before he went sailing.

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Why? Because it doesn't agree with your world view?

More because it's simply silly. "Well, the only people he REALLY kept guns from was the Jews."But you can go with the "competing worldview" thing if you like.

Why is that silly? If gun ownership among the rest of the German people increased, it's relevant.

Gun ownership increased among those he wasn't killing. Among those that were lightly armed in the first place.

Are you saying your username isn't an exercise in irony?

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Hitler got his "Golden Bear" nickname because he want to Cal.

And is the only PAC graduate to have dotted the i in Ohio.

And was said by the OSU band director to be the best ever at dotting it.

Thus making all the dotters than followed him "worse than Hitler".

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Why? Because it doesn't agree with your world view?

More because it's simply silly. "Well, the only people he REALLY kept guns from was the Jews."But you can go with the "competing worldview" thing if you like.

Why is that silly? If gun ownership among the rest of the German people increased, it's relevant.

Gun ownership increased among those he wasn't killing. Among those that were lightly armed in the first place.

Are you saying your username isn't an exercise in irony?

I think that was the point.

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Why? Because it doesn't agree with your world view?

More because it's simply silly. "Well, the only people he REALLY kept guns from was the Jews."But you can go with the "competing worldview" thing if you like.

Why is that silly? If gun ownership among the rest of the German people increased, it's relevant.

Gun ownership increased among those he wasn't killing. Among those that were lightly armed in the first place.

Are you saying your username isn't an exercise in irony?

I'm confused. It sounds like you're calling him a genius, but disagreeing with him.

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Why? Because it doesn't agree with your world view?

More because it's simply silly. "Well, the only people he REALLY kept guns from was the Jews."But you can go with the "competing worldview" thing if you like.

Why is that silly? If gun ownership among the rest of the German people increased, it's relevant.

Gun ownership increased among those he wasn't killing. Among those that were lightly armed in the first place.

Are you saying your username isn't an exercise in irony?

I'm confused. It sounds like you're calling him a genius, but disagreeing with him.

:lmao:

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Why? Because it doesn't agree with your world view?

More because it's simply silly. "Well, the only people he REALLY kept guns from was the Jews."But you can go with the "competing worldview" thing if you like.

Why is that silly? If gun ownership among the rest of the German people increased, it's relevant.

Gun ownership increased among those he wasn't killing. Among those that were lightly armed in the first place.

Are you saying your username isn't an exercise in irony?

I think that was the point.

No. The point made was that "He did not seize guns". Well he did - or at least kept certain members from getting them.

The fact that those that weren't targets of the government increased their purchases of guns does not invalidate the premise that Hitler restricted gun ownership among those that were.

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Why? Because it doesn't agree with your world view?

More because it's simply silly. "Well, the only people he REALLY kept guns from was the Jews."But you can go with the "competing worldview" thing if you like.

Why is that silly? If gun ownership among the rest of the German people increased, it's relevant.

Gun ownership increased among those he wasn't killing. Among those that were lightly armed in the first place.

Are you saying your username isn't an exercise in irony?

I'm confused. It sounds like you're calling him a genius, but disagreeing with him.

You got that right.

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So if someone is trying to take my guns away I should assume that they want to kill me? Or at the least repress me? I'm being repressed!

Edited by Runningman

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I think the lesson here is don't say "X didn't seize guns" when what you mean by that statement is "X seized guns".

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I don't get why conservatives won't own him. Just say something like Hitler is an example of taking our ideology too far. Instead I have personally seen they try to call him a liberal.

I have no problem saying far left is bad and people like Stalin took it too far.

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So if someone is trying to take my guns away I should assume that they want to kill me?

Not if you have cold dead hands.

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Tim knows what he is talking about he once had lunch with Hitler. Or did they meet in a baber shop. I forget, but Tim knows stuff.

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Why? Because it doesn't agree with your world view?

More because it's simply silly. "Well, the only people he REALLY kept guns from was the Jews."

But you can go with the "competing worldview" thing if you like.

Why is that silly? If gun ownership among the rest of the German people increased, it's relevant.

Gun ownership increased among those he wasn't killing. Among those that were lightly armed in the first place.

Are you saying your username isn't an exercise in irony?

Oops, I didn't type that right did I.

No wonder those that can't discern meaning were so confused. :boxing:

Edited by Andy Dufresne

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Tim knows what he is talking about he once had lunch with Hitler. Or did they meet in a barber shop. I forget, but Tim knows stuff.

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I don't get why conservatives won't own him. Just say something like Hitler is an example of taking our ideology too far. Instead I have personally seen they try to call him a liberal.I have no problem saying far left is bad and people like Stalin took it too far.

Again. It helps to not think of political spectrum as linear.

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I don't get why conservatives won't own him. Just say something like Hitler is an example of taking our ideology too far. Instead I have personally seen they try to call him a liberal.I have no problem saying far left is bad and people like Stalin took it too far.

None of these fiends - Hitler, Stalin, Hirohito, Lenin, Pol Pot, Mao - belong in a conversation about American politics. Stalin took "what" too far? Liberalism? Socialism? And conservatives own Hitler because he was a fascist? Let's be clear about something; these anti-humanist movements use the state to contort, distort and destroy individual rights and the ideals and institutions that support them. If a guy like Hitler used public works projects to justify his power then he did it, if a guy like Stalin found use in conservative themes like "defending the motherland" than he did it. These guys are equal opportunity mass slaughterers, if you have an ideological weapon they would use it, right, left, up, down whatever.

Edited by SaintsInDome2006

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Tim knows what he is talking about he once had lunch with Hitler. Or did they meet in a barber shop. I forget, but Tim knows stuff.

Echo... echo... echo... Pinch hitting for Pedro Borbon... Manny Mota... Mota... Mota..

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Man. One little typo and it shuts the whole fight down? This place used to be much more fun. :piningforgoodoldays:

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Not long after joining the National Wrestling Alliance, Hitler refused to take a tag in from a beaten and weary Bill Goldberg which in turn caused Goldberg to get pinned by Kevin Nash and lose at Bash at the Beach

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I don't get why conservatives won't own him. Just say something like Hitler is an example of taking our ideology too far. Instead I have personally seen they try to call him a liberal.I have no problem saying far left is bad and people like Stalin took it too far.

Umm being a right winger here in the U.S.A. I wouldn't expect the left wing here in America to "own" Stalin. As Andy said political alignment should not be thought of as linear. We here in America have very little first hand experience with either true Fascists or true Communists. I have many left wing friends, some of whom are black, that I disagree with but they aren't anything like Commies and I wouldn't fear for my life if they were in charge permanently. Not so with true Fascists and Communists.

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I don't get why conservatives won't own him. Just say something like Hitler is an example of taking our ideology too far. Instead I have personally seen they try to call him a liberal.I have no problem saying far left is bad and people like Stalin took it too far.

Again. It helps to not think of political spectrum as linear.

Living in a country with only two parties of any significance makes it hard for the average joe to think beyond linear politics.

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I don't get why conservatives won't own him. Just say something like Hitler is an example of taking our ideology too far. Instead I have personally seen they try to call him a liberal.I have no problem saying far left is bad and people like Stalin took it too far.

None of these fiends - Hitler, Stalin, Hirohito, Lenin, Pol Pot, Mao - belong in a conversation about American politics. Stalin took "what" too far? Liberalism? Socialism? And conservatives own Hitler because he was a fascist? Let's be clear about something; these anti-humanist movements use the state to contort, distort and destroy individual rights and the ideals and institutions that support them. If a guy like Hitler used public works projects to justify his power then he did it, if a guy like Stalin found use in conservative themes like "defending the motherland" than he did it. These guys are equal opportunity mass slaughterers, if you have an ideological weapon they would use it, right, left, up, down whatever.

That is some damn fine posting right there.

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so tim, are you defending him, vilifying him or is there another agenda here? serious question. i have no notebook

Defending him? No. I am just trying to set the record straight as Hitler is used in all these arguments in order to push agendas that had nothing to do with him- gun rights being one example.
What's the point? Why does it matter to you? Do also care that JFK or reagan is misrepresented or misinterpreted ? What about Stalin? Khaddafi? Amin? Hirohito?

Hirohito started the whole 'black socks with sandals' thing. True story.

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