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1 hour ago, Wonderllama said:

I would try to trade Reed ASAP before more bad news comes out. A lot of people might now realize how serious this could be. Also in Yahoo his projections are still up as if he'll be okay. I'm trying to package him and upgrade at another position.

 

What would you target in dynasty in a like-for-like swap? Eifert? Hunter Henry and a pick?

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3 hours ago, Robar said:

and a pick?  I dont think you could get Hunter Henry.

Maybe if the pick was with Reed for Henry.

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Anyone the least bit concerned that he suffered this concussion in practice where we can assume nobody was trying to give him a highlight reel hit?  

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42 minutes ago, wickster33 said:

Anyone the least bit concerned that he suffered this concussion in practice where we can assume nobody was trying to give him a highlight reel hit?  

Did not get in practice.

 

No one has specified the actual hit he took that led to the concussion but the hit that a lot of people think was possibly the cause is here:https://twitter.com/LakeLewis/status/786587504547856384/video/1

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33 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

Giving up anything of real value for Reed is absurd at this point.  He's done.

No one knows how this is going to go, just depends on how he reacts to this particular concussion but yes there is a chance he could be done. As I've said repeatedly, if he's done it's not because of the number of concussions but how he responds to this concussion that will impact his future.

Absurd is calling someone done when they missed two weeks with the same injury last year.

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Much like Chris bosh I don't get why someone like reed will keep playing after this. Mind you, I have him in a league and think that unless this guy is broke (and maybe even if he is) at some point you just have to walk away. Jordan Cameron in Miami same thing. The only thing I can think of is either a) they need the cash b) they feel invincible or c) they figure they are screwed in any case so why not keep playing. I understand he may clear the protocol Monday, but who gives a crap. At this point you should know better. 

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On 10/14/2016 at 5:59 AM, Skeletore Eh said:

Smh at the people in here trying to claim the number of concussions doesn't matter

Don't shake your head too hard...might get a concussion.

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3 hours ago, menobrown said:

No one knows how this is going to go, just depends on how he reacts to this particular concussion but yes there is a chance he could be done. As I've said repeatedly, if he's done it's not because of the number of concussions but how he responds to this concussion that will impact his future.

Absurd is calling someone done when they missed two weeks with the same injury last year.

 

3 hours ago, menobrown said:

No one knows how this is going to go, just depends on how he reacts to this particular concussion but yes there is a chance he could be done. As I've said repeatedly, if he's done it's not because of the number of concussions but how he responds to this concussion that will impact his future.

Absurd is calling someone done when they missed two weeks with the same injury last year.

Absurd is pretending a history of concussions has no impact on his current situation 

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41 minutes ago, Skeletore Eh said:

 

Absurd is pretending a history of concussions has no impact on his current situation 

 

Sure, I mean concussion number 4 got him put on IR and concussion number 5 cost him two weeks. So not sure how you people playing this concussion by numbers game have reached conclusion that concussion number 6 is the "ONE", especially when he recovered more quickly from 5 than 4, , and now  it's lights out time for Reed.  Go ahead and run with it and don't let fact that no reports suggesting the number of concussions he has endured has him contemplating walking away stop you.

And for  the record I never said the other concussions have no impact on his current situation. What I've railed against is people who just hear it's number 6 and draw up some imaginary conclusion that number seems high and it's time for him to shut it own. That's not absurd, it's dumb. The past concussions can absolutely impact his ability to recover from this concussion though their is more to concussions and recovery time than just playing concussion by numbers, which is why some players walk away after just one and others like Reed are not considering it after 6.  So in that sense they do impact his current situation because it could impact the only thing that matters right now and that is how he recovers from this concussion.

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1 hour ago, Skeletore Eh said:

 

Absurd is pretending a history of concussions has no impact on his current situation 

Agree

Bottom line, if you didn't pick up Davis or Paul by now, you are left holding your dikk, great chance Reed is done.

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21 hours ago, Ojaays said:

Agree

Bottom line, if you didn't pick up Davis or Paul by now, you are left holding your dikk, great chance Reed is done.

Apparently Paul is the play here. I was told so on these forums. Good thing I didn't listen.

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42 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

Yeah no

There isn't much news in the way of his concussion and what he's going to do. I know several players have expressed concern and stated that they would retire under similar circumstances. I'm tempted to sell right now in redraft. Obviously it will be for lower value than it would have been pre-concussion, but if Reed is out for an extended time or the season, we could end up with nothing for him.

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On 10/13/2016 at 4:26 AM, cjv123 said:

I;m thinking Fiedorowicz over Rodgers.

Ka-ching.

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9 hours ago, Tommy Collins said:

Apparently Paul is the play here. I was told so on these forums. Good thing I didn't listen.

I picked up Davis in every league I could, simply because it seemed he would be the first to get targets, his 14+ points worked out fine thank you.

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On 10/16/2016 at 0:06 AM, menobrown said:

And for  the record I never said the other concussions have no impact on his current situation. What I've railed against is people who just hear it's number 6 and draw up some imaginary conclusion that number seems high and it's time for him to shut it own. That's not absurd, it's dumb. The past concussions can absolutely impact his ability to recover from this concussion though their is more to concussions and recovery time than just playing concussion by numbers, which is why some players walk away after just one and others like Reed are not considering it after 6.  So in that sense they do impact his current situation because it could impact the only thing that matters right now and that is how he recovers from this concussion.

I'm sure someone will be quick to refute this with "facts" but in my mind, there's another elephant in the room - that being the next one. Number 6 may or may not be 'it" for him and yes, that's maybe purely speculation by people concerned with Jordon Reed the person. In terms of Jordan Reed the fantasy asset, if he isn't hanging them up, recovery time matters but it's not the only thing that matters. No one will convince me that Jordan Reed isn't a high(er) risk in terms of suffering future concussions. I drafted a stronger "Plan B" to mitigate this risk and now the scenario has unfolded.

What you do now depends on your team, league, format and dozens of other variables but I certainly wouldn't blame anyone who is looking to sell and get what they can. 

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I'd buy low on reed in a redraft in a heartbeat. What's the risk? The TE position is absolutely horrible this year. Again if you are buying low you are not giving up much and the reward I'd a stud te. 

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2 hours ago, habsfan said:

I'm sure someone will be quick to refute this with "facts" but in my mind, there's another elephant in the room - that being the next one. Number 6 may or may not be 'it" for him and yes, that's maybe purely speculation by people concerned with Jordon Reed the person. In terms of Jordan Reed the fantasy asset, if he isn't hanging them up, recovery time matters but it's not the only thing that matters. No one will convince me that Jordan Reed isn't a high(er) risk in terms of suffering future concussions. I drafted a stronger "Plan B" to mitigate this risk and now the scenario has unfolded.

What you do now depends on your team, league, format and dozens of other variables but I certainly wouldn't blame anyone who is looking to sell and get what they can. 

I would personally be heavily concerned about future concussions ending his career, if this one does not do it. Concussions are very concerning, I almost got so scared last year when I thought Hopkins suffered his fourth, turns out it was his third, and almost dealt him away and would not have been a good trade for me.

Someone asked me last week about a trade offer they had for Reed in a dynasty league and what did I think? I told him he's not considering retirement due to this being number 6 but the symptoms could be so bad he gets put on IR again and that puts his future in doubt. Secondly I told him not to give Reed credit for his youth in the deal because if you are playing the odds the concussions issues likely get to him at some point before old age takes it's toll. I look at Reed like a year to year to player. Despite his fairly young age he's someone I value more in redraft leagues than Dynasty leagues, at least that's how I felt coming into the season.

Last thing I want to add, and I posted this in a league message board of mine, is something Stephania Bell said 3 or 4 different times yesterday morning regarding Reed and in an nutshell she summed up what I've been trying to say in one nice concise sentence. What she repeatedly said was the number of concussions is not the issue for Jordan Reed, what is the issue for him is the severity of the symptoms.

 

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20 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I would personally be heavily concerned about future concussions ending his career, if this one does not do it. Concussions are very concerning, I almost got so scared last year when I thought Hopkins suffered his fourth, turns out it was his third, and almost dealt him away and would not have been a good trade for me.

Someone asked me last week about a trade offer they had for Reed in a dynasty league and what did I think? I told him he's not considering retirement due to this being number 6 but the symptoms could be so bad he gets put on IR again and that puts his future in doubt. Secondly I told him not to give Reed credit for his youth in the deal because if you are playing the odds the concussions issues likely get to him at some point before old age takes it's toll. I look at Reed like a year to year to player. Despite his fairly young age he's someone I value more in redraft leagues than Dynasty leagues, at least that's how I felt coming into the season.

Last thing I want to add, and I posted this in a league message board of mine, is something Stephania Bell said 3 or 4 different times yesterday morning regarding Reed and in an nutshell she summed up what I've been trying to say in one nice concise sentence. What she repeatedly said was the number of concussions is not the issue for Jordan Reed, what is the issue for him is the severity of the symptoms.

 

I was with you up to the last paragraph, which seems to me, to contradict your previous thoughts.

I think a medical / injury specialist looks at this in a "binary" way (i.e. Reed is playing or not playing and if he can't play now, when can he play?). That's about symptoms in the same way that water is wet. I'm not very familiar with Stephania Bell but she seems to have a medical background. The fact she is involved in producing fantasy-related content means relatively little to me because really, who in football media isn't these days?

Anyway, beyond the medical "here and now", someone who owns fantasy stock in Reed may choose to analyze the situation beyond "cleared" or "not cleared". Players suffer concussions, come back and then play years (or even the balance of their careers) without suffering another one. I don't think Reed is one of those players. I won't assert that suffering concussions makes you more susceptible to future concussions but I believe the only way this is Reed's last concussion is if he stops playing.

At some point every player's fantasy value reduces to zero and I agree with you that for Reed, that is apt to happen very quickly.

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1 minute ago, zeeshan2 said:

 

Thanks for badly anticipated update.

 

Am I wrong to thinking this is good news? They don't allow you to practice unless you pass concussion protocol do they?

 

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4 minutes ago, menobrown said:

 

Thanks for badly anticipated update.

 

Am I wrong to thinking this is good news? They don't allow you to practice unless you pass concussion protocol do they?

 

Looks like he's out of it:

 

Jordan Reed is on the field wearing a yellow jersey. He does have shoulder pads on. We will get status update around 3:30.

 

Looks like #Redskins TE Jordan Reed (concussion) back on the practice field. He's in a yellow non-contact jersey today. Good sign

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2 hours ago, zeeshan2 said:

Looks like he's out of it:

 

 

I would have thought so but not so fast.  Great sign he's out there today but I just read he is seeing team doctor tonight but won't know status for this weekends game until he sees independent doctor on Friday.

Also just read he just gave what an interview to media and story to follow shortly that said it would address his families worries and I believe he also said in this interview that he knew he was concussed in the game last week but did not tell anyone. That's not really very smart on his part for his own well being and I'm not trying to support that response to concussions but I'd be lying if I said I did not respect it at least a little. Again not the best choice for him.

 

Lastly as a side note somewhat on topic but not worth creating a thread over.  I listened to a podcast yesterday from some leading concussion expert guy, don't recall his name but he was  doctor in an NFL sponsored study. He said things like concussions can be treated but type of concussion depends on treatment, for instance if migraines are a side effect then rest is NOT considered a good treatment. He also said stuff like there are 6 different kinds of concussions and they can have different varying degrees of severity. Lastly said that a person experiencing vision issues due to concussions are more likely to have more severe or longer symptoms than some who gets knocked clean out so sometimes when we see people just knocked cold it's not always indicative of how bad the concussion might be.

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1 minute ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

i didnt think you could even be on the field if you were still in the c.p.

Me either

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#Redskins TE Jordan Reed admits he hid his latest concussion from the team. http://foxs.pt/2em7gV1 

 

Not on the field for practice today:

Not a good sign for Jordan Reed's availability Sunday vs. Detroit: https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/789152272735281152 

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36 minutes ago, zeeshan2 said:

#Redskins TE Jordan Reed admits he hid his latest concussion from the team. http://foxs.pt/2em7gV1 

 

Not on the field for practice today:

Not a good sign for Jordan Reed's availability Sunday vs. Detroit: https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/789152272735281152 

 So he was on the field with the yellow jersey yesterday. Speculation that he might play this weekend. Just after I dropped Vernon Davis he's a no go. Of course!

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2 hours ago, Tommy Collins said:

 So he was on the field with the yellow jersey yesterday. Speculation that he might play this weekend. Just after I dropped Vernon Davis he's a no go. Of course!

All indications are he most likely won't play but he's not officially a "no go" is he?

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7 minutes ago, boilerdave said:

All indications are he most likely won't play but he's not officially a "no go" is he?

Status is completely up in the air.

What we were told was he would be visiting a team doc last night and he missed practice today. That sounds like a setback.  Gruden is saying not the case but he also said the the medical staff tough it was best to keep him out so no matter how you sell it can't say it's encouraging.

We were told yesterday he would be meeting with independent doc tomorrow night.  Have not heard that is no longer the case and outcome of that checkup might be what determines his status.

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13 hours ago, menobrown said:

Status is completely up in the air.

What we were told was he would be visiting a team doc last night and he missed practice today. That sounds like a setback.  Gruden is saying not the case but he also said the the medical staff tough it was best to keep him out so no matter how you sell it can't say it's encouraging.

We were told yesterday he would be meeting with independent doc tomorrow night.  Have not heard that is no longer the case and outcome of that checkup might be what determines his status.

I have read multiple articles that indeed claim that Reed will meet with an independent doctor sometime on Friday.  My expectation this entire time was that Reed would miss at least two games.  I guess tomorrow we'll find out.

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17 hours ago, menobrown said:

Status is completely up in the air.

What we were told was he would be visiting a team doc last night and he missed practice today. That sounds like a setback.  Gruden is saying not the case but he also said the the medical staff tough it was best to keep him out so no matter how you sell it can't say it's encouraging.

We were told yesterday he would be meeting with independent doc tomorrow night.  Have not heard that is no longer the case and outcome of that checkup might be what determines his status.

When he's back on the field it looks like he's trending in the right direction toward playing. I didn't see that there was another visit lined up. But for him to be on the practice field with the yellow jersey one day, then off it the next with a dr. visit lined up still, it looks like he won't be playing. I'm not sure how Gruden is with letting guys play that haven't practiced in 2 weeks, but with his concussion history, even if he were cleared today or tomorrow I would have to think he would be a scratch for this week.

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1 hour ago, Tommy Collins said:

When he's back on the field it looks like he's trending in the right direction toward playing. I didn't see that there was another visit lined up. But for him to be on the practice field with the yellow jersey one day, then off it the next with a dr. visit lined up still, it looks like he won't be playing. I'm not sure how Gruden is with letting guys play that haven't practiced in 2 weeks, but with his concussion history, even if he were cleared today or tomorrow I would have to think he would be a scratch for this week.

Multiple reports have stated that his plan all week was to get a checkup with team medical staff on Wednesday night, which he did, and than a checkup with independent specialist Friday night and I've heard nothing to suggest that is not taking place.

Fact he practiced on day and sat the next is not a negative sign because one of the recommended treatment plans when migraines are symptom of concussions is monitored physical activity over rest. But afraid to say he did not practice today so despite Gruden's claims to the contrary it would seem more likely than not he suffered a setback.

In terms of if he would play this week if he was cleared I would say as I always that he absolutely would play but fact he's not practicing suggests he's likely not at a point in his recovery to get cleared tonight so at this point I'd be surprised if he gets cleared.

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Missed practice today. Not good.

I could swear I read something that he's meeting with a neurologist tonight and that will be key. Maybe I'm wrong.

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6 minutes ago, kyoun1e said:

Missed practice today. Not good.

I could swear I read something that he's meeting with a neurologist tonight and that will be key. Maybe I'm wrong.

I read that too

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7 minutes ago, kyoun1e said:

Missed practice today. Not good.

I could swear I read something that he's meeting with a neurologist tonight and that will be key. Maybe I'm wrong.

No you are correct but missing practice today as you said is not a good sign. I was encouraged when he came back to practice but seems doubtful he's in physical condition to get out of CP tonight.

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On 10/19/2016 at 3:34 PM, menobrown said:

I would have thought so but not so fast.  Great sign he's out there today but I just read he is seeing team doctor tonight but won't know status for this weekends game until he sees independent doctor on Friday.

Also just read he just gave what an interview to media and story to follow shortly that said it would address his families worries and I believe he also said in this interview that he knew he was concussed in the game last week but did not tell anyone. That's not really very smart on his part for his own well being and I'm not trying to support that response to concussions but I'd be lying if I said I did not respect it at least a little. Again not the best choice for him.

 

Lastly as a side note somewhat on topic but not worth creating a thread over.  I listened to a podcast yesterday from some leading concussion expert guy, don't recall his name but he was  doctor in an NFL sponsored study. He said things like concussions can be treated but type of concussion depends on treatment, for instance if migraines are a side effect then rest is NOT considered a good treatment. He also said stuff like there are 6 different kinds of concussions and they can have different varying degrees of severity. Lastly said that a person experiencing vision issues due to concussions are more likely to have more severe or longer symptoms than some who gets knocked clean out so sometimes when we see people just knocked cold it's not always indicative of how bad the concussion might be.

I agree with this approach.

It is too bad. He has been one of the more promising receiving TE to come out recently.

For me to change this perspective on him would require at least two seasons without any further concussion issues, which is always possible, but has not happened yet.

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On 10/19/2016 at 4:34 PM, menobrown said:

I would have thought so but not so fast.  Great sign he's out there today but I just read he is seeing team doctor tonight but won't know status for this weekends game until he sees independent doctor on Friday.

Also just read he just gave what an interview to media and story to follow shortly that said it would address his families worries and I believe he also said in this interview that he knew he was concussed in the game last week but did not tell anyone. That's not really very smart on his part for his own well being and I'm not trying to support that response to concussions but I'd be lying if I said I did not respect it at least a little. Again not the best choice for him.

 

Lastly as a side note somewhat on topic but not worth creating a thread over.  I listened to a podcast yesterday from some leading concussion expert guy, don't recall his name but he was  doctor in an NFL sponsored study. He said things like concussions can be treated but type of concussion depends on treatment, for instance if migraines are a side effect then rest is NOT considered a good treatment. He also said stuff like there are 6 different kinds of concussions and they can have different varying degrees of severity. Lastly said that a person experiencing vision issues due to concussions are more likely to have more severe or longer symptoms than some who gets knocked clean out so sometimes when we see people just knocked cold it's not always indicative of how bad the concussion might be.

For those interested, it was Dr. Michael Collins, and he was being interviewed by ESPN's Stephania Bell as part of an occasional spinoff podcast from ESPN's regular fantasy podcast. She mentioned on this one that the concussion podcast was the first in a series. Highly recommend. It was the first I'd ever heard of different varieties of concussions. Also, the one on Tevin Coleman and sickle cell trait was very good, too.

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55 minutes ago, zftcg said:

For those interested, it was Dr. Michael Collins, and he was being interviewed by ESPN's Stephania Bell as part of an occasional spinoff podcast from ESPN's regular fantasy podcast. She mentioned on this one that the concussion podcast was the first in a series. Highly recommend. It was the first I'd ever heard of different varieties of concussions. Also, the one on Tevin Coleman and sickle cell trait was very good, too.

Yes sir, that is the one I was referencing.

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On 10/25/2016 at 11:28 AM, Cowboysfan8 said:

Cleared to practice this week per nflnetwork 

Anyone placing bets on him playing?

Have to either make V. Davis a priority for waivers tonight. Ideally, I don't and can focus on other needs, but doubt we have the insight today to be confident Reed is playing.

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3 minutes ago, kyoun1e said:

Anyone placing bets on him playing?

Have to either make V. Davis a priority for waivers tonight. Ideally, I don't and can focus on other needs, but doubt we have the insight today to be confident Reed is playing.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BrittMcHenry/status/790222122799038469

Edit: that's 3 days old but I haven't seen anything else 

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4 minutes ago, kyoun1e said:

Anyone placing bets on him playing?

Have to either make V. Davis a priority for waivers tonight. Ideally, I don't and can focus on other needs, but doubt we have the insight today to be confident Reed is playing.

I don't want to make a definitive statement, but I can't see it. I doubt they want him on a transatlantic flight if there's even slight lingering effects from the concussion.

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but then again:

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Jordan Reed (concussion) is practicing Wednesday.

It's a good sign after Reed practiced last Wednesday only to sit out Thursday and Friday before missing the game against the Lions. A report earlier this week had Reed unlikely to play against the Bengals in London, but if Reed can practice Thursday and Friday, hell have a good shot to suit up.

 

 

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