Sebowski
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What would you target in dynasty in a like-for-like swap? Eifert? Hunter Henry and a pick?
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Jordan Reed - TE - SF (4 Viewers)
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What would you target in dynasty in a like-for-like swap? Eifert? Hunter Henry and a pick?
Jed
Footballguy
wickster33
Footballguy
Anyone the least bit concerned that he suffered this concussion in practice where we can assume nobody was trying to give him a highlight reel hit?
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Why did I draft Reed before Olsen?
Did not get in practice.
No one has specified the actual hit he took that led to the concussion but the hit that a lot of people think was possibly the cause is here:https://twitter.com/LakeLewis/status/786587504547856384/video/1
No one knows how this is going to go, just depends on how he reacts to this particular concussion but yes there is a chance he could be done. As I've said repeatedly, if he's done it's not because of the number of concussions but how he responds to this concussion that will impact his future.
Absurd is calling someone done when they missed two weeks with the same injury last year.
Gatorman
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Much like Chris bosh I don't get why someone like reed will keep playing after this. Mind you, I have him in a league and think that unless this guy is broke (and maybe even if he is) at some point you just have to walk away. Jordan Cameron in Miami same thing. The only thing I can think of is either a) they need the cash b) they feel invincible or c) they figure they are screwed in any case so why not keep playing. I understand he may clear the protocol Monday, but who gives a crap. At this point you should know better.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
ruled OUT for Week 6 game
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Absurd is pretending a history of concussions has no impact on his current situation
Sure, I mean concussion number 4 got him put on IR and concussion number 5 cost him two weeks. So not sure how you people playing this concussion by numbers game have reached conclusion that concussion number 6 is the "ONE", especially when he recovered more quickly from 5 than 4, , and now it's lights out time for Reed. Go ahead and run with it and don't let fact that no reports suggesting the number of concussions he has endured has him contemplating walking away stop you.
And for the record I never said the other concussions have no impact on his current situation. What I've railed against is people who just hear it's number 6 and draw up some imaginary conclusion that number seems high and it's time for him to shut it own. That's not absurd, it's dumb. The past concussions can absolutely impact his ability to recover from this concussion though their is more to concussions and recovery time than just playing concussion by numbers, which is why some players walk away after just one and others like Reed are not considering it after 6. So in that sense they do impact his current situation because it could impact the only thing that matters right now and that is how he recovers from this concussion.
Agree
Bottom line, if you didn't pick up Davis or Paul by now, you are left holding your dikk, great chance Reed is done.
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Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Apparently Paul is the play here. I was told so on these forums. Good thing I didn't listen.Ojaays said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Yeah noOjaays said:
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
There isn't much news in the way of his concussion and what he's going to do. I know several players have expressed concern and stated that they would retire under similar circumstances. I'm tempted to sell right now in redraft. Obviously it will be for lower value than it would have been pre-concussion, but if Reed is out for an extended time or the season, we could end up with nothing for him.
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I picked up Davis in every league I could, simply because it seemed he would be the first to get targets, his 14+ points worked out fine thank you.
habsfan
Footballguy
I'm sure someone will be quick to refute this with "facts" but in my mind, there's another elephant in the room - that being the next one. Number 6 may or may not be 'it" for him and yes, that's maybe purely speculation by people concerned with Jordon Reed the person. In terms of Jordan Reed the fantasy asset, if he isn't hanging them up, recovery time matters but it's not the only thing that matters. No one will convince me that Jordan Reed isn't a high(er) risk in terms of suffering future concussions. I drafted a stronger "Plan B" to mitigate this risk and now the scenario has unfolded.
What you do now depends on your team, league, format and dozens of other variables but I certainly wouldn't blame anyone who is looking to sell and get what they can.
I would personally be heavily concerned about future concussions ending his career, if this one does not do it. Concussions are very concerning, I almost got so scared last year when I thought Hopkins suffered his fourth, turns out it was his third, and almost dealt him away and would not have been a good trade for me.
Someone asked me last week about a trade offer they had for Reed in a dynasty league and what did I think? I told him he's not considering retirement due to this being number 6 but the symptoms could be so bad he gets put on IR again and that puts his future in doubt. Secondly I told him not to give Reed credit for his youth in the deal because if you are playing the odds the concussions issues likely get to him at some point before old age takes it's toll. I look at Reed like a year to year to player. Despite his fairly young age he's someone I value more in redraft leagues than Dynasty leagues, at least that's how I felt coming into the season.
Last thing I want to add, and I posted this in a league message board of mine, is something Stephania Bell said 3 or 4 different times yesterday morning regarding Reed and in an nutshell she summed up what I've been trying to say in one nice concise sentence. What she repeatedly said was the number of concussions is not the issue for Jordan Reed, what is the issue for him is the severity of the symptoms.
habsfan
Footballguy
I was with you up to the last paragraph, which seems to me, to contradict your previous thoughts.
I think a medical / injury specialist looks at this in a "binary" way (i.e. Reed is playing or not playing and if he can't play now, when can he play?). That's about symptoms in the same way that water is wet. I'm not very familiar with Stephania Bell but she seems to have a medical background. The fact she is involved in producing fantasy-related content means relatively little to me because really, who in football media isn't these days?
Anyway, beyond the medical "here and now", someone who owns fantasy stock in Reed may choose to analyze the situation beyond "cleared" or "not cleared". Players suffer concussions, come back and then play years (or even the balance of their careers) without suffering another one. I don't think Reed is one of those players. I won't assert that suffering concussions makes you more susceptible to future concussions but I believe the only way this is Reed's last concussion is if he stops playing.
At some point every player's fantasy value reduces to zero and I agree with you that for Reed, that is apt to happen very quickly.
Erin Hawksworth
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Jordan Reed in yellow which means no contact. #Redskins
12:30 PM - 19 Oct 2016
https://twitter.com/ABC7Erin/status/788794539049877504
✔@ABC7Erin
Jordan Reed in yellow which means no contact. #Redskins
12:30 PM - 19 Oct 2016
https://twitter.com/ABC7Erin/status/788794539049877504
Thanks for badly anticipated update.
Am I wrong to thinking this is good news? They don't allow you to practice unless you pass concussion protocol do they?
Looks like he's out of it:
Rich Tandler
✔@Rich_TandlerCSN
Jordan Reed is on the field wearing a yellow jersey. He does have shoulder pads on. We will get status update around 3:30.
12:35 PM - 19 Oct 2016
Brian McNally
✔@bmcnally14
Looks like #Redskins TE Jordan Reed (concussion) back on the practice field. He's in a yellow non-contact jersey today. Good sign
12:36 PM - 19 Oct 2016
I would have thought so but not so fast. Great sign he's out there today but I just read he is seeing team doctor tonight but won't know status for this weekends game until he sees independent doctor on Friday.
Also just read he just gave what an interview to media and story to follow shortly that said it would address his families worries and I believe he also said in this interview that he knew he was concussed in the game last week but did not tell anyone. That's not really very smart on his part for his own well being and I'm not trying to support that response to concussions but I'd be lying if I said I did not respect it at least a little. Again not the best choice for him.
Lastly as a side note somewhat on topic but not worth creating a thread over. I listened to a podcast yesterday from some leading concussion expert guy, don't recall his name but he was doctor in an NFL sponsored study. He said things like concussions can be treated but type of concussion depends on treatment, for instance if migraines are a side effect then rest is NOT considered a good treatment. He also said stuff like there are 6 different kinds of concussions and they can have different varying degrees of severity. Lastly said that a person experiencing vision issues due to concussions are more likely to have more severe or longer symptoms than some who gets knocked clean out so sometimes when we see people just knocked cold it's not always indicative of how bad the concussion might be.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
i didnt think you could even be on the field if you were still in the c.p.
FOX Sports: NFL
✔@NFLonFOX
#Redskins TE Jordan Reed admits he hid his latest concussion from the team. http://foxs.pt/2em7gV1
8:21 AM - 20 Oct 2016
Not on the field for practice today:
Adam Schefter
✔@AdamSchefter
Not a good sign for Jordan Reed's availability Sunday vs. Detroit: https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/789152272735281152 …
12:47 PM - 20 Oct 2016
✔@NFLonFOX
#Redskins TE Jordan Reed admits he hid his latest concussion from the team. http://foxs.pt/2em7gV1
8:21 AM - 20 Oct 2016
Not on the field for practice today:
Adam Schefter
✔@AdamSchefter
Not a good sign for Jordan Reed's availability Sunday vs. Detroit: https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/789152272735281152 …
12:47 PM - 20 Oct 2016
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
So he was on the field with the yellow jersey yesterday. Speculation that he might play this weekend. Just after I dropped Vernon Davis he's a no go. Of course!zeeshan2 said:
boilerdave
Footballguy
All indications are he most likely won't play but he's not officially a "no go" is he?
Status is completely up in the air.
What we were told was he would be visiting a team doc last night and he missed practice today. That sounds like a setback. Gruden is saying not the case but he also said the the medical staff tough it was best to keep him out so no matter how you sell it can't say it's encouraging.
We were told yesterday he would be meeting with independent doc tomorrow night. Have not heard that is no longer the case and outcome of that checkup might be what determines his status.
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branch0095
Footballguy
I have read multiple articles that indeed claim that Reed will meet with an independent doctor sometime on Friday. My expectation this entire time was that Reed would miss at least two games. I guess tomorrow we'll find out.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
When he's back on the field it looks like he's trending in the right direction toward playing. I didn't see that there was another visit lined up. But for him to be on the practice field with the yellow jersey one day, then off it the next with a dr. visit lined up still, it looks like he won't be playing. I'm not sure how Gruden is with letting guys play that haven't practiced in 2 weeks, but with his concussion history, even if he were cleared today or tomorrow I would have to think he would be a scratch for this week.menobrown said:
Multiple reports have stated that his plan all week was to get a checkup with team medical staff on Wednesday night, which he did, and than a checkup with independent specialist Friday night and I've heard nothing to suggest that is not taking place.
Fact he practiced on day and sat the next is not a negative sign because one of the recommended treatment plans when migraines are symptom of concussions is monitored physical activity over rest. But afraid to say he did not practice today so despite Gruden's claims to the contrary it would seem more likely than not he suffered a setback.
In terms of if he would play this week if he was cleared I would say as I always that he absolutely would play but fact he's not practicing suggests he's likely not at a point in his recovery to get cleared tonight so at this point I'd be surprised if he gets cleared.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
No you are correct but missing practice today as you said is not a good sign. I was encouraged when he came back to practice but seems doubtful he's in physical condition to get out of CP tonight.
Adam Schefter
✔@AdamSchefter
Jordan Reed is out for Week 7. Team also placed WR Josh Doctson on IR.
12:34 PM - 21 Oct 2016
✔@AdamSchefter
Jordan Reed is out for Week 7. Team also placed WR Josh Doctson on IR.
12:34 PM - 21 Oct 2016
With game in London next week figure they got to leave early in week which limits his timeframe to get cleared. Doubt he gets on that plane, figure we see him after bye in week 10, but never a guarantee.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I agree with this approach.
It is too bad. He has been one of the more promising receiving TE to come out recently.
For me to change this perspective on him would require at least two seasons without any further concussion issues, which is always possible, but has not happened yet.
For those interested, it was Dr. Michael Collins, and he was being interviewed by ESPN's Stephania Bell as part of an occasional spinoff podcast from ESPN's regular fantasy podcast. She mentioned on this one that the concussion podcast was the first in a series. Highly recommend. It was the first I'd ever heard of different varieties of concussions. Also, the one on Tevin Coleman and sickle cell trait was very good, too.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Cleared to practice this week per nflnetwork
Anyone placing bets on him playing?
Have to either make V. Davis a priority for waivers tonight. Ideally, I don't and can focus on other needs, but doubt we have the insight today to be confident Reed is playing.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrittMcHenry/status/790222122799038469
Edit: that's 3 days old but I haven't seen anything else
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don't want to make a definitive statement, but I can't see it. I doubt they want him on a transatlantic flight if there's even slight lingering effects from the concussion.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
but then again:
