Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
belljr

Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory

Recommended Posts

They are setting up the fact that Bran can change the past, he's not just limited to being a passive visitor. Not sure how he's going to use that ability in the future exactly but they are clearly setting up his ability to reach back and alter something. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
56 minutes ago, Porkchop Express said:

Really GoT? Time travel paradoxes?

You mean the series that includes a one use smoke monster assassin baby?

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, mozzy84 said:

i guess I'm not getting the hate. I thought that episode was crazy and awesome. 

I wouldn't worry about.  75% of this thread is full of whiners complaining about one of the best shows ever.  They knocked it out of the park with this ep.  Quality :thumbup: 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I thought it was a good episode, though a bit underwhelming after all the hubbub that started with the after-show clowns.  Without that I think it would have been even better.  Their comments combined with the amount of time they spent on Hodor in the "previously on" section meant that you could pretty much guess that he was going to eat it when it went to that scene with only a few minutes left in the episode.

I still thought the scene was good and enjoyed the "hold the door" thing, but it would have been much better if it came out of the blue.  I'd really rather those talking dead wannabies just keep their mouths shut if they're pre-watching episodes.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

FWIW, the producers confirmed that Hodor's Back To The Future deal-thingy was via Martin, not of their own design.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, thecatch said:

They are setting up the fact that Bran can change the past, he's not just limited to being a passive visitor. Not sure how he's going to use that ability in the future exactly but they are clearly setting up his ability to reach back and alter something. 

I disagree.  What has he changed?  Our perspective has always been Hodor saying Hodor.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
26 minutes ago, Psychopav said:

I disagree.  What has he changed?  Our perspective has always been Hodor saying Hodor.

Why has he always been saying Hodor?

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The characters seem to travel at record pace this season. Sansa and Theon left winterfell, got to castle black/iron island. Littlefinger left eyre and got to the place he met sansa (I forgot the location they said) all seemingly in days.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, KarmaPolice said:

Like a lot of the other episodes this season, I really liked some stuff, but mostly felt meh.  For me a lot of it is the sequence of the scenes.  They seem to start on stuff that I love and am interested in, and then peter out to stuff that I just find bad.  Don't get the love for the ending.  Some of the stuff in the cave looked like Jason and the Argonauts, and what we find out Hodor means is just silly. 

Love the stuff with Sansa and Littlefinger (even though I can't believe she is still stupid enough to listen to him).  Of course the look Tormund gives to Brianne again was :moneybag: And I really liked the exchange between Red Witch 2 and Varys, but other than that nothing really stands out to me.

Isn't it more about the idea that Brandon can change or alter the past than the secret origin of Hodor?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I thought Brienne was going to see Badfish for Sansa but then Sansa and John and others left. What did I not pay attention to this  time?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, bushdocda said:

I thought Brienne was going to see Badfish for Sansa but then Sansa and John and others left. What did I not pay attention to this  time?

It appears that they changed their minds without revising the script...though it is possible, that the group is headed one place, and Brienne will break away and head for the river lands.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What if Bran is the voice that Varys hears in the fire?  Maybe Bran is the perceived incarnation of the Lord of Light?  I don't think they bring that up in an episode in which it's shown that "the ink of the past" isn't dry. 

  • Like 5

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, bushdocda said:

I thought Brienne was going to see Badfish for Sansa but then Sansa and John and others left. What did I not pay attention to this  time?

Jon mentioned other Northern Lords. I think he's going there and Brienne is going to meet the Blackfish. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Still don't think Bran "changed" the past in a way that altered the future.  Hodor was Hodor for the entire series - so however it happened, it happened in the past - that ink was dry.

 

Seems like going back to warn Robb not to attend the Red Wedding, or to tell Ned not to go to Kings Landing, or tell himself to not climb the tower at Winterfell - would be how he would change the past...

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, Porkchop Express said:

Really GoT? Time travel paradoxes?

lol, those aren't real.

Edited by matuski

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, Major said:

I wouldn't worry about.  75% of this thread is full of whiners complaining about one of the best shows ever.  They knocked it out of the park with this ep.  Quality :thumbup: 

I generally like most of what the show has done. But that episode fell flat to me. And someone has to help bran and meera no way they outrun that horde

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, John Bender said:

Not sure in what aspect she'll be stone cold - definitely not as an assassin. This episode more or less advanced the idea that she's never going to be "no one".  

 

ETA: sick of watching her stick fighting too. her story is getting tired.

I think we have been saying that she is going to be stone cold since we saw her take out those dudes with the Mountain. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

I generally like most of what the show has done. But that episode fell flat to me. And someone has to help bran and meera no way they outrun that horde

Im guessing they find a hiding spot or someone intervenes. Perhaps jon snow on his way to the other houses in the north?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, shadyridr said:

Im guessing they find a hiding spot or someone intervenes. Perhaps jon snow on his way to the other houses in the north?

wrong side of the Wall

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, KarmaPolice said:

Can't believe they are dumb enough to walk into a Littlefinger trap.  Yep, wouldn't want to verify that the Blackfish is really alive or anything....

How would they do that, without ravens?  Jon also wants to meet other family heads.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

wrong side of the Wall

Ah yes

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, Major said:

I wouldn't worry about.  75% of this thread is full of whiners complaining about one of the best shows ever.  They knocked it out of the park with this ep.  Quality :thumbup: 

Would it be more interesting if everybody just came in and loved everything about everything on the show?  If I didn't still like it, I wouldn't watch it.  Doesn't mean that I agree that it is still at it's peak or that this episode was great overall.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

after a season of awesome. That was a terrible episode

I'm with you. I didn't think this episode was very good at all.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok, I'll say it. Could someone please try to explain the whole Hodor thing?   I just don't get it.

So he goes back in time and wargs into hodor while back in time causing him to become what he is?

If he doesn't go there this never happens?  

Just lost on that whole thing now

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, gump said:

How would they do that, without ravens?  Jon also wants to meet other family heads.

I will admit I was too far into my vodka and misread what was going on there.  I thought all were going to Riverrun, but yeah, more likely still just Brienne as Jon and co. talk to the other houses. 

No way Littlefinger isn't waiting to pounce somewhere.  He would be wise to go seek out Frey - control access of the River and help him get revenge on Ramsey killing his daughter.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, belljr said:

Ok, I'll say it. Could someone please try to explain the whole Hodor thing?   I just don't get it.

So he goes back in time and wargs into hodor while back in time causing him to become what he is?

If he doesn't go there this never happens?  

Just lost on that whole thing now

It's like a time paradox. Didn't make sense but similar to terminator. I don't even bother trying to understand it. He technically didn't go back in time. He was just having a vision. And in the midst of that vision he warged into both versions of Hodor at the same time. 

Edited by shadyridr
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So is the old guy actually Bran?  

So these tree people make the white walkers, do we know how they lost control of them?  

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I didn't realize the Men Without Faces were assassins for hire...I thought they took out people who deserved....must have missed something?  Unless Arya is misunderstanding.

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, belljr said:

So is the old guy actually Bran?  

So these tree people make the white walkers, do we know how they lost control of them?  

 

No

Ice zombies can't be reasoned with?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That other girl is better at fighting with a stick than Arya. 

WE GET IT

  • Like 5

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Skoo said:

That other girl is better at fighting with a stick than Arya. 

WE GET IT

Ah, but this episode we see that she is better at fighting without the stick too!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, IrishTwinkie said:

I think they missed the chance to burn the tree/cave while Hodor was Hodoring. Would have made the sacrifice meaningful. As it is now, Bran/Meera have a seemingly meaningless head start. I kept expecting flames. But I am not getting the hate for the episode. 

Same here.... I was wondering.... ok, great Hodor is Hodoring but he can't do that forever. So, like the Children of the Forest, the sacrifice buys them some more time. So.... now what? There has to be more or else that is kinda dumb.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, KarmaPolice said:

 

16 hours ago, NFL-ons said:

https://yadi.sk/i/bH5W2U0Rru9Ug

Saw this weeks episode at this link.  Didn't cause any problems for my computer.  Best episode since Oberyn vs the Mountain.

Really?

 

Thought the same thing after watching. This episode wasn't close to the best in a while. Good episode, but the WWs versus the Wilding episode was far better than this one. Hodor's nice and all (although some in here think he's transcendent), but standing in slippery snow and he can hold back hundreds of wights pushing on the door?

Also, how did Bran's friend (I forgot her name) kill the WW? Was the spear tipped with something and should we have known that?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
23 minutes ago, belljr said:

Ok, I'll say it. Could someone please try to explain the whole Hodor thing?   I just don't get it.

So he goes back in time and wargs into hodor while back in time causing him to become what he is?

If he doesn't go there this never happens?  

Just lost on that whole thing now

It obviously has to do with the vision since he warged into Hodor before. This time, he was in a vision state and warged which obviously totally messed with Hodor to the point all he could say was hold the door which morphed into Hodor.

That's all I got.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So watching the show but acting like you're too cool to follow along is schtick now?

 

Edited by Funkley
  • Like 5

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In an episode review I read a description that said that "Hodor saw the moment of his death and it got burned into his brain by Bran"

I can buy that explanation, Bran was inside both brains at once and fried them.

So he cant really change the past.  In theory he could get into another persons brain and do the same, but it would take the combination of him being with the person at the time of their tramatic death and him being back in time visiting that person at the same time.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, prosopis said:

I dont understand the Hodor story. Hodor was mind ####ed by Bran time traveling? That dont make no sense.

Time is a flat circle...

  • Like 5

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, shadyridr said:

The characters seem to travel at record pace this season. Sansa and Theon left winterfell, got to castle black/iron island. Littlefinger left eyre and got to the place he met sansa (I forgot the location they said) all seemingly in days.

The alternative is they show everyone standing around like Dany for episodes, or even seasons, at a time. I prefer they take liberties with the time it takes to get from A to B.

 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Thought the same thing after watching. This episode wasn't close to the best in a while. Good episode, but the WWs versus the Wilding episode was far better than this one. Hodor's nice and all (although some in here think he's transcendent), but standing in slippery snow and he can hold back hundreds of wights pushing on the door?

Also, how did Bran's friend (I forgot her name) kill the WW? Was the spear tipped with something and should we have known that?

 A couple seasons back, Samwise found a buried stash of special weapons, I think they were constructed of black onyx or something.  He gave those weapons to Bran & Co. when they set out to go north of the wall.  Sam himself had killed a WW with one of them, so he figured out what they were for.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, shadyridr said:

The characters seem to travel at record pace this season. Sansa and Theon left winterfell, got to castle black/iron island. Littlefinger left eyre and got to the place he met sansa (I forgot the location they said) all seemingly in days.

I was thinking last night, at the way they pace this thing Euron will have his thousand ships built and be sailing into Meereen by next week.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yara and Theon beating uncle to the punch and going heading to Mereen to seek an alliance with Dany?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Deepster said:

I'm assuming we'll see White Walker Hodor at some point, right?

At this point I would just rather see a main character stay dead. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, the moops said:

The alternative is they show everyone standing around like Dany for episodes, or even seasons, at a time. I prefer they take liberties with the time it takes to get from A to B.

 

If Jack Bauer can get from Canoga Park to Irvine in 10 minutes, then Theon can get from the north to his homeland in a couple episodes. 

Edited by timschochet

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Chadstroma said:

Yara and Theon beating uncle to the punch and going heading to Mereen to seek an alliance with Dany?

My guess is one of the two fleets gets stranded in the North, and the White Walkers and undead take over the ships.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.