Ilov80s
Footballguy
Got to have Jamie and Tyrion for the tension with Cersei. The Hound was needed to fight the Mountain. I thought for sure Brienne was going to die protecting Jamie.
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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (3 Viewers)
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Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
More like after Harold Godwinson defeated Harold Hardrada and then had to fight WIlliam the Conqueror.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
I don’t recall seeing the Knights of the Vale in this battle. Am I forgetting/missing something? I would think 2 dragons and the KoV would be enough to take out Cersei
Statorama
gangster
In our "PC-grrrrrrrl pwr-MeToo-believe all women-the future is female" world, there's no chance you're taking out such a strong female character now. The best you're going to get is an interesting female side-character crushed by a giant.
Even with that knowledge in my sub conscious, every single scene with Arya had me on the edge of my seat.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It was fun. It was the main culmination of all the elements of the show that aren't some people's favorites. I think there are 2 camps of Thrones fans: the camp that likes it because of the fantasy, dragons, zombies, etc. and the camp that likes it in spite of the fantasy, dragons, zombies, etc. There are a lot of people who really fell in love with the show for its human stories, the power struggle, the scheming, the gritty realistic Middle Ages-like portrayal of life, combat, etc. Those people aren't going to be overly excited about 80 minutes of CGI dragons, zombies and dragon zombies.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Highly doubt armies of that size can fit inside Winterfell, let alone be useful inside the walls. While I think the charge was not the greatest tactic, others have mentioned the Dothraki sitting back and waiting isn't such a great tactic either and I agree with that. The Dothraki and Unsullied were basically the good guys version of the Wights in this battle. Jon and company knew they'd mostly get slaughtered but I assume were hoping they'd thin out the Wight army along with the dragons.
Statorama
gangster
When this show started I told my wife she wouldn't like it because it's all dragons and boobs. I think she likes the dang show more than I do now.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
You think that matters when the main hero of the episode was a woman? When the most powerful person for most of the show has been a woman? And the current queen set to defend her throne is a woman?
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
parrot
Footballguy
Not to mention that putting all of your armies and cavalry into one box with an Ice Dragon who has already taken down major portions of a 700 foot wall flying around may not be the best plan.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
It was for the cool cinematic look, which was awesome. Also the Dothraki do 1 thing and that's charge in on horses and attack. Asking them to hide out behind a castle would be like signing Khalil Mack and asking him to just drop back into coverage every play.
They were dismounted and with Brienne’s contingent, I believe. At least she had guys behind her with the Vale’s emblem on their shields.
Hawks64
Footballguy
It would be highly ineffective since they move so fast you need a javelin type projectile to even come close to hitting them.
Hawks64
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Don Quixote
Footballguy
For those complaining about deaths, couldn't there be more? I feel like there were a number of people who they did not show in the short cuts after the battle was over (but maybe I just could not see in the dark).
There could be a potential for off-screen deaths revealed next week, but I don't know if the producers would do that.
There could be a potential for off-screen deaths revealed next week, but I don't know if the producers would do that.
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Statorama
gangster
When the boardroom choice was either Jorah or Brienne, the choice was easy. Every "creative" suit in a chair doesn't want to make any waves with their female viewers by turning this into a sausage fest.
Statorama
gangster
supermike80
Footballguy
USA today made a quick little comment that it was bad visuals to place the armies "of color" --the unsullied and the dothraki at the front of the lines, to get killed.
I guess no one wanted to tell this lady that those were the BADDEST Fighters of them all and it really isn't racist when you add that piece to it?
Nope..This is where we live now.
I guess no one wanted to tell this lady that those were the BADDEST Fighters of them all and it really isn't racist when you add that piece to it?
Nope..This is where we live now.
glvsav37
Footballguy
In the finale, what's left over of the northern army is being torn up by the King's Landing army and mercenaries. Bran takes his rightful place as the new NK, and raises all the dead from that battle and that's enough to turn the tide. Once Cersi is dead and the new king or queen is on the throne, NK/Bran part ways and head back behind the wall and the historic cycle resets itself.
Book it!
Book it!
Ilov80s
Footballguy
They weren't really the baddest fighters though. They got annihilated. If they had 500 Samwells and Podericks then they would all still be alive.
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PIK95
Footballguy
Probably because John is in the dead guy union too. Gotta look out for union brothers.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
What if Cersei wins the battle of the living? Jon, Dany, dragons, Arya, Sansa, all of them. Dead. Cersei remains with her ******* child en-womb. Closing shot is Bran stabbing himself in the chest with a dragonglass dagger. Blue eyes pop open. Fade to black.
supermike80
Footballguy
They were SUPPOSED to be though right?
Here's the quote by the way. I mean REALLY?
The Winterfell strategy to put the people of color (the Dothraki and the Unsullied) on the front lines, where most of them died, was a poor choice by the writers, especially in a series with a bad track record in this area.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Better than that - scene: Iron Throne; Cersei is sitting on the throne, we see her looking out at various people in the hall, we see a random guy in a Member's Only jacket walk behind the throne, then we see a shot looking out at the crowd again, then black screen. "Don't Stop Believin''' playing in the background.
PIK95
Footballguy
My issue was the Hollywooding it up and generally lazy writing. Mostly that you make the dead tsunami overtake 10,000 screamers in 30 seconds, yet people like Sam are able to stay alive the entire episode. Sam was taking on 20 at a time with a knife while rolling around screaming.
If they didn't want to kill the stars, then don't make the dead army look so insanely dominant. It was WAY to long and unorganized. And Arya's scene should have been so much more sinister. A good Arya scene could have brought some redemption to the writers imo. Big let down for me.
supermike80
Footballguy
encaitar
Footballguy
The epilogue of the entire series was of the White Walkers and the Night's Watch dude that sees them and deserts. Then we have the credits. Literally the first scene after the first credits of the show we see Theon. It's him and the Stark boys killing the deserter and finding the direwolves. We also have 1 1/2 seasons where Theon had more screen time than anyone. He was absolutely an A cast member and his death was huge. Especially because he died defending his adopted brother and home. Great redemption story.
Another character we meet in the first episode? Jorah. He pledges his life and allegiance to Dany there and now we see him giving that life to defend her. Another big character death and an awesome death scene.
I don't downplay either of these. Still, neither was an oh #### moment for me. Would've enjoyed seeing Brienne dying to save Jamie only for her to be reanimated and seeing Jamie have to fight her. Or having Arya/Jamie/Tyrion/Sansa/Dany/Jon/Bran get a surprise death scene. That's what GRRM would've done and it's why this show was better in the first 4 seasons than it has been since.
Another character we meet in the first episode? Jorah. He pledges his life and allegiance to Dany there and now we see him giving that life to defend her. Another big character death and an awesome death scene.
I don't downplay either of these. Still, neither was an oh #### moment for me. Would've enjoyed seeing Brienne dying to save Jamie only for her to be reanimated and seeing Jamie have to fight her. Or having Arya/Jamie/Tyrion/Sansa/Dany/Jon/Bran get a surprise death scene. That's what GRRM would've done and it's why this show was better in the first 4 seasons than it has been since.
encaitar
Footballguy
Get out of here with this ####. The Dothraki are light cavalry. The Unsullied are a pike and shield formation. What good are they inside the ####### castle?
supermike80
Footballguy
Would have been cool to see Ayra at least fight the Night king.....Show off her bad skills. maybe the night king underestimates her and holds off his troops cause he wants a little one on one...Weak lame and lazy writing to say the least. Went for full visuals(did well there) and completely crapped the bed on actual story quality.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I dont think Bron has it in him to kill the little guy. Or Jaime. Hell, he might be the one to kill Cersei if Jaime doesnt.
Worm
slimy ninja
What else do you need to know re: Littlefinger? He wanted power. As much of it as he could get. He wanted to be feared and respected and have the woman of his choice at his side.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
The entire episode, quite intentionally, was the "oh ####" moment, for most anyway. For actual singular oh #### moments, those are coming. And they're going to be epic. And continuous.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Oddly enough - of those listed, I think GRRM said in his original thoughts that Arya, Bran, Jon, Tyrion and Daenerys all made it to the end.
TV has set Sansa up to be the Lady of Winterfell, so she was not dying. Jamie is the only one from that group who would have plausibly died in the battle if GRRM had written the final books.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Dude what? Nobody here wants to have a socio-political examination of the episode.
supermike80
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yep and the polar opposite of his rival Varys who genuinely had the best interest of the realm on his mind- maybe the only character in the show yet to do so.
It just felt too abrupt at the time. He went from being master manipulator to being a groveling fool in an instant, with no escape route.I think in the books we would probably get more from him - in terms of his ambitions - than we got in the show. He would have died in either event - and, honestly, I thought the show did as good a job with trying to set up the misdirection we came to expect from GRRM, by trying to make it look like Sansa had turned on Arya.
