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3 minutes ago, Daywalker said:

Wonder what happens to the dragon after jon kills dany.

He pulls a Smog.  Long nap on the iron throne.  

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2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Last episode and this one, why *did Jon reject Dany?

He probably thought it wasn't cool to bang his aunt.

Silly Northerner.

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It’s little things: 

The One Shot of Arya trying to get the woman who saved her earlier, and daughter, out was really well done. 

Also, Arya on the White Horse a little too on-the-nose for a vanquisher? (I think she takes Dany down, much to Jon’s dismay.)

loved the score/soundtrack. 

 

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31 minutes ago, encaitar said:

 If we had the dialogue that the early seasons had, this would've been the greatest thing ever seen on tv IMO(and it still might be, but it's not a runaway winner).

I agree, until you got to what is in parenthesis. It isn't close.

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5 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Last episode and this one, why *did Jon reject Dany?

To set up some bad plotline?  Jon marrying Dany would just be too easy.

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9 minutes ago, zoonation said:

He pulls a Smog.  Long nap on the iron throne.  

No gold left in the west.  Going to have to Smog up in Bravos

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13 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Last episode and this one, why *did Jon reject Dany?

I mean...incest.

But more importantly I don't think he could ever shake seeing her first reaction to his lineage. Her first thought was about her throne and power, not their relationship. She made it all business before he did, in that moment. 

Then until tonight he, like Tyrion, convinced himself that flash of the real Dany he saw wasn't what she is...even though he couldn't shake it after that. 

He could never see her the same after that talk imo, not even just the Aunt thing. Sam had already made that comment about her thirst for power too. 

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13 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

Yeah, I don't see a dragon living trough this story.  

Dragon and Direwolf deaths are worse than the human ones.  Particularly when they are stupid and pointless

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1 hour ago, chet said:

HTF does Jamie survive two ~6" stabs to his liver/kidney etc?

Just a flesh wound.  

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Wasn't there a S1 scene where Arya was running around beneath the Keep chasing cats for training?  I thought for sure she would head that way and run into Jaime and Cersei.  

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7 minutes ago, Quint said:

It’s little things: 

The One Shot of Arya trying to get the woman who saved her earlier, and daughter, out was really well done. 

Also, Arya on the White Horse a little too on-the-nose for a vanquisher? (I think she takes Dany down, much to Jon’s dismay.)

loved the score/soundtrack. 

 

I don't think Jon wants anything to do with her now that she went all Hitler on King’s Landing.  

Mad King has nothing on his daughter.  He was going to torch the city when he wAs on the verge of defeat.  

She torched the city after she won.   

Only the night king has her on innocent kills.  

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See no reason for a final episode. Could just be 90 mins of showing them cleaning up

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3 minutes ago, tommyboy said:

See no reason for a final episode. Could just be 90 mins of showing them cleaning up

They could do a roast of jon snow.  90 minutes of short jokes.

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9 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

Wasn't there a S1 scene where Arya was running around beneath the Keep chasing cats for training?  I thought for sure she would head that way and run into Jaime and Cersei.  

There was. The same scene I believe where she overhears and we learn for the first time that Varys is actually supporting Dany overseas. Oh how it all ends up. 

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Two kills, one good, one sucked.

Hound taking out his brother A+. Jamie and cersei hugging it out, F-.

I mean she deserved a long, slow torturous death. And Jamie, you're a ####### #####. You should have cut her throat

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2 hours ago, zoonation said:

It’s ridiculous.  And, more than anything, took a big dump on the character.  

Burn the red keep?  Sure. 

Burn innocent citizens for no reason after they surrendered?  Character assassination.  

 

If she doesn't torch anything, then she's the hero, the bad guys lose, and she takes over. Maybe kind of boring from the showrunners' perspective.

If she just torches the Red Keep, you can still get your end with Cersei and Jaime, and the Cleganes I guess. Several thousand innocents die, but it's obviously not as bad as wrecking the entire city. But that creates a morally ambiguous situation, and the writers of this show aren't capable of handling that, honestly. They need a new despot, a very clearly marked "Bad Guy", who will be schemed against and inevitably killed by our very clearly marked "Good Guys." Even though she's always made a point of being able to clearly delineate the oppressors from the oppressed and treated them accordingly, apparently we're supposed to buy (and a lot of you did, unsurprisingly. not in small part, I'm sure, because the recap before the episode showed Dany hearing different voices in rapid succession, the old cliche for someone going completely crazy) that she's gone full-blown cuckoo. Because she had a couple pals die.

Ned Stark waking up and saying "Oh man, what a crazy dream" and then Bran coming running in would be better than this.

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2 minutes ago, tommyboy said:

I mean she deserved a long, slow torturous death.

Here's another one. You mooks are so used to being spoonfed what you want, that you piss and moan when someone dies in a manner that you don't find befitting that person's moral choices. Almost nobody in the manner they deserve! Little kids are in school buses that go off ravines, and Henry Kissinger will probably die comfortably in his bed somewhere.

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18 minutes ago, tommyboy said:

Two kills, one good, one sucked.

Hound taking out his brother A+. Jamie and cersei hugging it out, F-.

I mean she deserved a long, slow torturous death. And Jamie, you're a ####### #####. You should have cut her throat

Naw man, you have to understand that Jamie defined love with Cersie, imagine never knowing a time that you were not in love with her, your whole life.

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4 hours ago, Pipes said:

Relax dude I’ve said 50 positive things about the show just thought they killed of the 2nd dragon way too easy last week.  You a writer for this show?  All you do is complain about the complainers.

Capella is a strange bird.  He needs this thread to validate things for him, which means, love it like he does.  When he doesn't get his validation, it makes him question himself and then that starts to make him angry.  Its a confused anger that's all it is.

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2 hours ago, timschochet said:

I don’t think Dany went insane. 

She explained it herself: she will show mercy to future generations by completely destroying King’s Landing. If that means innocent people had to die, the price was worth it. How is this different from when we dropped the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? It’s the same rationale. 

She was emotional and angry but not crazy, IMO. 

Japan didn’t surrender until “after” the US dropped the bombs.  It’s a pretty big difference if you ask me.   Dany went mad, I think even Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles could see that.

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2 hours ago, timschochet said:

I don’t think Dany went insane. 

She explained it herself: she will show mercy to future generations by completely destroying King’s Landing. If that means innocent people had to die, the price was worth it. How is this different from when we dropped the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? It’s the same rationale. 

She was emotional and angry but not crazy, IMO. 

Book a cruise, pack nothing except every internet-enabled device you own, a potato sack, and a 20 lb. weight. When you're in the open sea, think about what you've done, put all of your computers in the sack, tie the weight to it, and throw it to the bottom of the ocean where they belong.

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Hated the burn it all down turn. It was visually stunning and emotionally gripping but such a quick turn for the breaker of chains. She completely dishonored her role in turning away from her throne to fight the dead to save all of mankind. I mean there were still plenty of signs since that all she still cared about was her spot on the throne. Jorah Mormont must be spinning in his grave.

As a side note, Samwell Tarly is the indirect butcher of Kings Landing. He saved Jorah from dragonscale and Jorah saved Khaleesi in the battle against the dead.

Jon must kill Dany now. What a bittersweet end of the show, which we have heard all along would be the emotional place it takes us.

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3 hours ago, Frostillicus said:

Last week they didn't really know the scorpions existed and were surprised by the fleet.  This week she knew exactly what was going on and the dragon could dodge because he was expecting it.  

I mean, even if Dany was expecting it this time, the bad guys still hit a dragon 3 times from like 2 miles away last week, and this week Drogon dodges hundreds of those things and wins the war himself. I loved the episode and this is much more in line with how the books discuss dragon warfare, but I’m also not surprised people are having some whiplash on this point. 

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4 hours ago, bradyfan said:

“And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.”  They showed this tonight.

Perhaps Jaime and Cersei are trapped and badly injured, and he kills her so she doesn't suffer any more.

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This is Anakin going into the temple and slaughtering all the Jedi children only a thousand times worse. He had his flawed reasons but Dany had really no reason to just start frying all the innocent civilians.

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3 hours ago, Good Posting Judge said:

Here's another one. You mooks are so used to being spoonfed what you want, that you piss and moan when someone dies in a manner that you don't find befitting that person's moral choices. Almost nobody in the manner they deserve! Little kids are in school buses that go off ravines, and Henry Kissinger will probably die comfortably in his bed somewhere.

It's "moops". 

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Hound vs Mountain was cool, but I liked it better the first time I saw it, when it was called Kane vs Undertaker at Wrestlemania 22!

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Varys was up writing to ravens for nights on end before he got got. You know one of those ended up going to Littlefinger. He's going to be none to happy. The nights of the vale are going to be storming the castle soon. They will have to answer to The Prince That Was Promised, Rob Stark. Mercy will not be kind to his foes, those of the knights watch. The Baratheon name will not go undead when Yara weds Gendry and unites the kingdoms to bring just a spring of hope against the winter that is coming. Dire Wolves will roar as dragons sail throughout the kingdoms of nights to come. Stanis will have his great battle with Benjen, the dead (what is dead may never die) at the high septor while The Blackfish undertakes the kuw of the sand snakes to overcome the Mad King and finally sit on the throne of swords to the dismay of the children of the forrest who are vanished to the trees of the red keep to guard the eternal flames of the dead. In my, imo. 

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6 hours ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

 

She went mad like her father. It's not supposed to be rational. The question shouldn't be "have they built up enough to Dany dispassionately making this choice for it to work?" The question is "have we seen enough of her madness leaking out over the years to see how all the #### recently made her finally lose it?" 

For me...I'm still deciding. But she had no more advisors she trusted, who in the past had held back some of her worst instincts. You think she does this if Jorah is alive? Missande? Hwr other dragons? Without Jon's parentage making her question the destiny she's never wavered from? Nah. And lots more on top of that.

She ####### cracked man. It's not supposed to be rational or reasonable. As long as we saw her cracking. I'd argue they could have spent more time on that.

 All the bad things that happened to her this season were results of her acting totally out of character. When they defeated the Night King she just sulked and slunk back. Normally she would have acted like a queen, put on the pomp, delivered a rousing speech and won everyone over. Nobody would have turned on her if she hadn’t started acting like a totally different character than she had been all series. Why did Missandei die? Because Dany sails into a trap because “she forgot about the iron fleet”. Huh? 

The decisions to get us here were forced imo. 

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Sheesh. Some of you are just mad you were wrong. That's why spending so much time guessing is so stupid. 

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3 hours ago, Flying Spaghetti Monster said:

Naw man, you have to understand that Jamie defined love with Cersie, imagine never knowing a time that you were not in love with her, your whole life.

Agreed. I liked that arc and death a lot. It was fitting and even robbed that #### character Euron his dying joy that he killed the Kingslayer.

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2 hours ago, cap'n grunge said:

Dany had really no reason to just start frying all the innocent civilians.

Exactly. 

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2 hours ago, cap'n grunge said:

 Dany had really no reason to just start frying all the innocent civilians.

She literally looked you in the eye and gave you her reason. 

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14 minutes ago, Sebowski said:

She literally looked you in the eye and gave you her reason. 

Honestly her entire life and mental state fell apart because Sansa didn’t like her 

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All right, in retrospect my comments last night regarding Hiroshima were a bit silly, Lol. Derision was well deserved. 

Good speculation here about Arya still needing to kill someone with “green eyes”. Dany? 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/5/13/18617284/game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-5-arya-kills-daenerys-green-eyes

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a psychotic urchin strafing innocents qualifies as "entertainment"?  meh, guess i'll be cool with it as it has now surely sealed her demise - Snow will most likely deliver the death blow, but i'd love if it were Sansa or Arya ... doubt the latter because she already bagged the NK - but, however it plays out will be the sweetest moment of the seies for me - gonna be a great week knowing the payoff of watching her eat #### is in the offing. 

someone mentioned earlier the sudden proliferation of Unsullied/Dothraki - so, yeah, who the #### were getting trampled vs the wights? didn't we only see a dozen or so Dothraki come running back after the initial charge in e3? 

Clagaene bowl/Jaime vs Euron ... both pretty ridiculous. 

tipping a 40 for Varys - dude's only purpose since s1 was serving the realm - him and Littlefinger were such fantastic characters.

sad to see Cersei go, but happy about how it was delivered - shame that Headey had so little to do this season - no matter one's feelings about Cersei, there's no denying Lena has been bringing brilliance since s1e1 ... surpassing Tyrion/Dinklage the past couple seasons, mostly because they have neutered him to #### all lately - but the scene with Jaime last night was as great as he's ever been - hope he survives the silver haired freak's vengeance, though i fear he'll be dealt with before she's finally laid out.  

the Red Woman's prophecies started clicking in e3, but still trying to figure why she was so adamant on saving Davos from sure death during the Stannis storyline ... she allowed that he " had a large part to play in the war to come" ... well?  standing on the battlements vs the NK, then quizically on the front line last night as they entered KL - maybe it was him sparing her life after she entered Winterfell, which allowed her to perform all the feats later on, most notably the Arya pep talk.  still waiting on his big moment as per her vision. 

is Bran gonna do anything? where was Robyn the teat sucker? we've seen everyone else from the Vale, no?

i really wish little Lady Mormont were still around. very much so. 

 

 

tl;dr - Dany's a mega #####, the rest is all secondary to her impending death. 

 

 

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Bran’s storyline has been so disappointing-  he’s the Anthony Jr of GoT.

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6 hours ago, timschochet said:

I don’t think Dany went insane. 

She explained it herself: she will show mercy to future generations by completely destroying King’s Landing. If that means innocent people had to die, the price was worth it. How is this different from when we dropped the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? It’s the same rationale. 

She was emotional and angry but not crazy, IMO. 

Thanos> het 

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Having slept on it - I realize I have been wrong about the series since the start.  I always assumed the story was about the NIght King - and defeating the Night King - with the Iron Throne plot just a background story.

I initially thought the Song of Ice and Fire was about the clash between those two forces.

Eventually as we learned that songs are written about heros - I began to think the story was about Jon Snow - particularly with his background as a Stark and Targaryen - Ice and Fire.

By the end of last night's show, I was thinking maybe its about Arya - she kills the Night King, and seems on the path to kill Daenerys - thus tying Ice and Fire together.

 

But, I suspect that a Song of Ice and Fire is really about the two forces that effectively caused a hard re-boot for society - at least in Westeros.  Night King effectively destroyed the North, and Daenerys effectively destroyed Kings Landing (the south) - leaving the survivors to pick up the pieces and forge a new beginning.

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Honestly her entire life and mental state fell apart because Sansa didn’t like her 

Joe Jonas better be careful...

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Makes no sense that one clock tower fell down and to the right after the dragon fire at the base. Given the structural design and architecture, absolutely should have fallen to the left. Just so unrealistic, hard to stay in the moment with stuff like that. 

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Littlefinger?

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55 minutes ago, Sebowski said:

Varys was up writing to ravens for nights on end before he got got. You know one of those ended up going to Littlefinger. He's going to be none to happy. The nights of the vale are going to be storming the castle soon. They will have to answer to The Prince That Was Promised, Rob Stark. Mercy will not be kind to his foes, those of the knights watch. The Baratheon name will not go undead when Yara weds Gendry and unites the kingdoms to bring just a spring of hope against the winter that is coming. Dire Wolves will roar as dragons sail throughout the kingdoms of nights to come. Stanis will have his great battle with Benjen, the dead (what is dead may never die) at the high septor while The Blackfish undertakes the kuw of the sand snakes to overcome the Mad King and finally sit on the throne of swords to the dismay of the children of the forrest who are vanished to the trees of the red keep to guard the eternal flames of the dead. In my, imo. 

Littlefinger?

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5 hours ago, hagmania said:

Wow, Bald Move - two guys who have generally been even keel and pretty fair - just popped off on this episode. Kind of shocking tbh, almost as if they had been playing nice for a while and were looking for a reason to go ballistic.

They call it "showrunner malpractice" lolol.

I listened to that this morning - they tore this episode apart.  

They did have some interesting points though:  Clegane Bowl meant zip to the story because everybody F'd off around them.  The people of KL were plenty scared as the dragon sat there roaring at them - so why the systematic street by street destruction and murder?, Varys (the master of espionage) just walks up to Jon at the start in full view and is all "let's usurp the queen" and he went out like a chump, Euron/Jaime was bad, on and on.  

Not sure I agree 100% since they say it was the worst episode of the show and basically took a #### on the series.  

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6 hours ago, hagmania said:

My opinion is souring as I rewatch.

Varys, the Spider, the virtuoso of fantasy espionage, just walks straight up to Jon on the beach and is all, "Hey man let's talk about displacing the Dragon Queen in plain sight."

Part of the charm of the show has been lost by the trying to tie up all of the stories. That seen was to make sure Tyrion saw it and narc’d on him so we get the dracaris ending for him. Same with Jamie not being able to breath but then being able to take another stab and kill Euron and run around KL just to get a nice ending scene with Cersei. Same with the Hound and the Mountain. I’m not even sure what powers the Mountain to take a stab through the body and through the brain and how did the Hound even see anymore let alone laugh while being choked out by the strongest man zombie in the world.

End result all died but we got the Hollywoodized endings of them. Cersei getting dracaris’d in the red keep, Jamie dying after stabbing Euron and the Mountain/Hound falling over the edge while earlier in the fight all would have been more realistic and authentic to the early years with the same end results.

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