Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory

[Capella 22,260]

2 hours ago, Ghost Rider said:

No, I do not have to be disappointed...because I wasn't; I wasn't blown away either.  

Even if the ending didn't totally stick to landing and not get the 10, that doesn't mean it was a 1, like many have suggested.  I know nowadays everything is the best thing ever or the worst thing ever, but sometimes something can merely be "good," which is what I would call the last season of Game of Thrones. I have conceded to numerous glaring flaws, but I still enjoyed the heck out of it.  

Yes. People saying they can’t watch previous great episodes because of the ending are just drama whores. 

[Ghost Rider 4,631]

2 hours ago, KarmaPolice said:

People around here were claiming that the show was a 1 because of the ending?

Not in those exact words, but when you are describing the final seasons as awful, terrible, etc., it is hard for me to envision (the general) you giving it anything but the lowest score possible. 

48 minutes ago, Capella said:

Yes. People saying they can’t watch previous great episodes because of the ending are just drama whores. 

Pretty much, yeah. 

[KarmaPolice 9,070]

2 hours ago, Capella said:

Yes. People saying they can’t watch previous great episodes because of the ending are just drama whores. 

I didn't think people were saying that, I thought they were saying they would have trouble doing a series rewatch knowing where it was going to end up and how bad the series got.    Not the same thing.  

[Leeroy Jenkins 2,494]

Well call me dramatic I guess. With how little payoff there was in Jon Snow’s lineage, the white walker invasion, and how they handled the demise of Cersei/Jaime and the poor execution with dany’s turn and bran being king, the previous awesome stories and episodes almost seem pointless. I would have rewatched the series front to back a few times like I did Breaking Bad had this been executed better. Maybe I will after reading the books once completed, but I have no desire to watch any GOT and I used to watch them all of the time if randomly on and certainly did rewatches prior to season 5. 

[TheFanatic 3,041]

1 hour ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Well call me dramatic I guess. With how little payoff there was in Jon Snow’s lineage, the white walker invasion, and how they handled the demise of Cersei/Jaime and the poor execution with dany’s turn and bran being king, the previous awesome stories and episodes almost seem pointless. I would have rewatched the series front to back a few times like I did Breaking Bad had this been executed better. Maybe I will after reading the books once completed, but I have no desire to watch any GOT and I used to watch them all of the time if randomly on and certainly did rewatches prior to season 5. 

I gotta say, I agree. I've watched TWD and Breaking Bad over and over, but have no desire to go back through this right now. That might change later, but right now, I'm over GoT for a while. 

[Good Posting Judge 13,525]

16 hours ago, Ghost Rider said:

No, I do not have to be disappointed...because I wasn't; I wasn't blown away either.  

Even if the ending didn't totally stick to landing and not get the 10, that doesn't mean it was a 1, like many have suggested.  I know nowadays everything is the best thing ever or the worst thing ever, but sometimes something can merely be "good," which is what I would call the last season of Game of Thrones. I have conceded to numerous glaring flaws, but I still enjoyed the heck out of it.  

It was real bad.

[Ghost Rider 4,631]

18 hours ago, KarmaPolice said:

I didn't think people were saying that, I thought they were saying they would have trouble doing a series rewatch knowing where it was going to end up and how bad the series got.    Not the same thing.  

I have seen plenty of people they can't watch the early seasons anymore because of their dissatisfaction with the ending.  That is so dumb. 

7 hours ago, Good Posting Judge said:

It was real bad.

What an eloquent review.    

[KarmaPolice 9,070]

9 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

I have seen plenty of people they can't watch the early seasons anymore because of their dissatisfaction with the ending.  That is so dumb. 

I guess in the sense of why start a rewatch if the back half goes downhill?  

I would watch S1-S4 again, but would probably stop there.  

 

[Mario Kart 4,027]

Watched the series this summer. From start to finish, the show was great. Many things were said and done in the early seasons that were followed through on in the end. Not sure why people hate or are dissatisfied with the outcome. Haven't seen any legitimate complaints about events, characters, or whatever.

[KarmaPolice 9,070]

33 minutes ago, Mario Kart said:

Not sure why people hate or are dissatisfied with the outcome. Haven't seen any legitimate complaints about events, characters, or whatever.

You haven't read this thread in the past few months?  People are pretty specific about why they didn't like the last couple seasons.  

[Good Posting Judge 13,525]

2 hours ago, Ghost Rider said:

I have seen plenty of people they can't watch the early seasons anymore because of their dissatisfaction with the ending.  That is so dumb. 

What an eloquent review.    

Many words have already been said. I don't think it would necessarily stop me from rewatching, but there's also a lot of other good tv out there i haven't seen.

[stbugs 1,266]

13 hours ago, KarmaPolice said:

I guess in the sense of why start a rewatch if the back half goes downhill?  

I would watch S1-S4 again, but would probably stop there.  

 

Yep, I’m there. It’s not that I won’t ever rewatch it, but the last season is so fresh in our minds. I’m sure I’d still enjoy the whole thing even with the ending but I just don’t have the desire to tackle that amount of time yet. 

[stbugs 1,266]

On 7/30/2019 at 7:50 AM, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Well call me dramatic I guess. With how little payoff there was in Jon Snow’s lineage, the white walker invasion, and how they handled the demise of Cersei/Jaime and the poor execution with dany’s turn and bran being king, the previous awesome stories and episodes almost seem pointless. I would have rewatched the series front to back a few times like I did Breaking Bad had this been executed better. Maybe I will after reading the books once completed, but I have no desire to watch any GOT and I used to watch them all of the time if randomly on and certainly did rewatches prior to season 5. 

I think the white walkers were the worst finish to me after the full ending. I loved Arya’s progression to get her to that point and how she killed him and we actually had a couple people die (red witch and Beric) helping her, but as one of the YouTube links in here about alternate endings suggested, I would have rather seen that battle at the end. All of Dany’s troops just magically respawned and the actual battle to take King’s landing was awful from the golden company to the dragon being all powerful compared to the invisible fleet sniper to Dany ignoring Cersei to kill random people.

I know all the other critiques, but it felt like the white walkers were more of a red herring at the end and nothing like all the build up we saw start in the first episode. It made Hardhomme so cheap even though that was one of the best episodes of the show. I loved the white walker story but respawning all the red shirts to take King’s Landing just made that whole story line meaningless.

[FreeBaGeL 6,996]

13 hours ago, Mario Kart said:

Watched the series this summer. From start to finish, the show was great. Many things were said and done in the early seasons that were followed through on in the end. Not sure why people hate or are dissatisfied with the outcome. Haven't seen any legitimate complaints about events, characters, or whatever.

Specifics.

[beer 30 2,105]

Man, talk about

Series is over, move on folks. I watch the Last Kingdom, certainly not GOT's comparable but occupied my time.

[Good Posting Judge 13,525]

10 hours ago, beer 30 said:

Man, talk about

Series is over, move on folks. I watch the Last Kingdom, certainly not GOT's comparable but occupied my time.

You should see r/freefolk. The entire script for the last episode is out because it was submitted for an Emmy (lol), and boy it's not going great.

 

https://m.emmys.com/sites/default/files/collateral/Game of Thrones - Ep 806 - The Iron Throne .pdf

[Good Posting Judge 13,525]

GTFOH

[Good Posting Judge 13,525]

Just now, Good Posting Judge said:

GTFOH

Come defend this ####, @Capella

[KarmaPolice 9,070]

11 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Specifics.

  "like watching World War Z with 5 pairs of sunglasses on" 

[Capella 22,260]

1 hour ago, Good Posting Judge said:

Come defend this ####, @Capella

What is that? 

 

The last season was fine. Think I said B- 

[stbugs 1,266]

1 hour ago, Good Posting Judge said:

GTFOH

That was the scene I wanted to see in that script. LOL, scary bad.

[Ghost Rider 4,631]

1 hour ago, Good Posting Judge said:

You should see r/freefolk. The entire script for the last episode is out because it was submitted for an Emmy (lol), and boy it's not going great.

Let me guess: a bunch of internet geeks kicking and screaming because the last season didn't go exactly how they wanted it to, right? 

[stbugs 1,266]

12 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

  "like watching World War Z with 5 pairs of sunglasses on" 

That video was awesome. I think my favorite was the "dragons are no match for the scorpions" followed later by "scorpions are no match for dragons."

[Capella 22,260]

1 hour ago, Good Posting Judge said:

You should see r/freefolk. The entire script for the last episode is out because it was submitted for an Emmy (lol), and boy it's not going great.

 

https://m.emmys.com/sites/default/files/collateral/Game of Thrones - Ep 806 - The Iron Throne .pdf

Weren’t they nominated for like 37 emmys? That award seems pretty dumb but it’s certainly more prestigious than reddit internet snark. 

[beer 30 2,105]

11 hours ago, Good Posting Judge said:

You should see r/freefolk. The entire script for the last episode is out because it was submitted for an Emmy (lol), and boy it's not going great.

https://m.emmys.com/sites/default/files/collateral/Game of Thrones - Ep 806 - The Iron Throne .pdf

I bailed on them about 4 days after the finale. I saw where it was going and it was a deep, dark, pit of misery I don't need in my life.

[Good Posting Judge 13,525]

2 hours ago, beer 30 said:

I bailed on them about 4 days after the finale. I saw where it was going and it was a deep, dark, pit of misery I don't need in my life.

Yeah thats most of the internet. Pretty amazing that theyre still at it.

[LAUNCH 1,464]

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[LAUNCH 1,464]

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This idea probably could have saved the series at the end.

[CletiusMaximus 7,005]

Oh no ... 
 

[bigmarc27 3,680]

21 minutes ago, CletiusMaximus said:

Oh no ... 
 

Some of the answers I didn’t think were too bad and then...

 

“When we pitched HBO, we promised them that we would downplay the fantasy elements. (Paraphrase)

She is challenging the fact of how the Night King and the White Walkers and how it played out.”

 

WTF does that even mean?  You still had White Walkers and flying dragons. Downplaying is one thing, you didn’t flesh out the ending though?

 

also WTf is this about?

 

”They are expressing regret about putting the baby on the block of ice and him screaming. The mother was not happy bc Dan just kept talking about a close-up of the baby’s penis.”

 

😒

[CletiusMaximus 7,005]

These are the comments that stick out for me:

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The moderator asked why they chose to write all the episodes by themselves: “Because we didn’t know better.” David said HBO wanted them to hire other writers and they decided to have Bryan Cogman, their assistant, write four episodes.

 

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Did you really sit down and try to boil the elements of the books down? Did you really try to understand it’s major elements.
No. We didn’t. The scope was too big. It was about the scenes we were trying to depict and the show was about power.

What was your process? We just started writing. But as things went on we had to outline. Divvied up scripts. They didn’t work together in the same room. One took first half, the other the last half, then they would swap. They gave episodes to Bryan Cogman and David Hill.

Dab is saying how much they loved the books, but they had to make it their own.

There were times I thought the writing was pretty good, but this does explain a lot. HBO should have made them use real writers from the beginning. 

[randall146 4,127]

Does anyone else get disappointed when the intro gives the TV-Mature rating factors but doesn’t mention nudity or adult situations?

[KarmaPolice 9,070]

4 minutes ago, randall146 said:

Does anyone else get disappointed when the intro gives the TV-Mature rating factors but doesn’t mention nudity or adult situations?

Nah, I discovered internet porn long ago.  Don't need to get excited for a couple boobies on TV anymore.  

[bentley 2,974]

27 minutes ago, randall146 said:

Does anyone else get disappointed when the intro gives the TV-Mature rating factors but doesn’t mention nudity or adult situations?

Yes. Not just limited to this show.

[randall146 4,127]

1 hour ago, KarmaPolice said:

Nah, I discovered internet porn long ago.  Don't need to get excited for a couple boobies on TV anymore.  

I’m old enough now that good tv boobs are much hotter than (most) internet porn

[Good Posting Judge 13,525]

A Twitter user named @ForArya kept a running record of Benioff and Weiss' remarks at the Austin Film Festival. Fake it until you make it, kids.

https://twitter.com/ForArya/status/1188186578071556102

[IrishTwinkie 338]

13 minutes ago, Good Posting Judge said:

A Twitter user named @ForArya kept a running record of Benioff and Weiss' remarks at the Austin Film Festival. Fake it until you make it, kids.

https://twitter.com/ForArya/status/1188186578071556102

This reads like an Onion article.

[Capella 22,260]

51 minutes ago, Good Posting Judge said:

A Twitter user named @ForArya kept a running record of Benioff and Weiss' remarks at the Austin Film Festival. Fake it until you make it, kids.

https://twitter.com/ForArya/status/1188186578071556102

 they got a Star Wars deal too. 
 

 

 

why would they say any of that out loud? 

[Good Posting Judge 13,525]

56 minutes ago, Capella said:

 they got a Star Wars deal too. 
 

 

 

why would they say any of that out loud? 

Honky entitlement.

[Leeroy Jenkins 2,494]

7 hours ago, Good Posting Judge said:

A Twitter user named @ForArya kept a running record of Benioff and Weiss' remarks at the Austin Film Festival. Fake it until you make it, kids.

https://twitter.com/ForArya/status/1188186578071556102

So they never knew what they were doing. Lucked out with great actors and crew, and when they ran out of source material they were kind of ####ed. 

[KarmaPolice 9,070]

2 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

So they never knew what they were doing. Lucked out with great actors and crew, and when they ran out of source material they were kind of ####ed. 

Gee, you couldn't tell at all. 

 

[Good Posting Judge 13,525]

Benioff and Weiss are off Star Wars. Big win for the nerds today.

[Capella 22,260]

On 10/27/2019 at 11:48 PM, Capella said:

 they got a Star Wars deal too. 
 

 

 

why would they say any of that out loud? 

🏆 

[TLEF316 3,539]

I mean, I'm not one of these super nerds that's gonna troll these guys in social media or go yell at them at comic Con.....but man they really botched that last season (really the last 2, for the most part).

So if they never get the reins to anything cool again, I'm kinda ok with that.

Game of thrones was my favorite show of all time and I haven't even been tempted to rewatch any of the last season even once.  So much of it made no sense and the fact that they basically rushed it for something that they've now basically been fired off of is pretty much karma IMO.

[stbugs 1,266]

Sucks the source material ran out. These people are idiots and they completely ####ed up what should have been an epic finish with stupid decisions. 

[stbugs 1,266]

5 minutes ago, TLEF316 said:

I mean, I'm not one of these super nerds that's gonna troll these guys in social media or go yell at them at comic Con.....but man they really botched that last season (really the last 2, for the most part).

So if they never get the reins to anything cool again, I'm kinda ok with that.

Game of thrones was my favorite show of all time and I haven't even been tempted to rewatch any of the last season even once.  So much of it made no sense and the fact that they basically rushed it for something that they've now basically been fired off of is pretty much karma IMO.

We now know it was rushed because they had zero clue what to do without the source material. I can just imagine them going he let’s do something like the Shwarma scene in Avengers because all the fans care more about the characters than the story (wrong). It’s the same thing that derailed TWD. They felt the characters were number 1 so they built scripts around them instead of keeping it gritty and real and realizing that these aren’t soap operas/character driven shows.

I blame George for not getting off his ### and finishing it and letting these guys destroy our favorite show. I haven’t had any desire to rewatch it at all. Knowing where it ends kind of kills any desire. I don’t know if I even care about any spin-offs if the same people are involved. When left to their own devices, they were terrible. 

[CletiusMaximus 7,005]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

Sucks the source material ran out. These people are idiots and they completely ####ed up what should have been an epic finish with stupid decisions. 

I'm not sure I would say they are idiots. I don't really know what these guys did, but the first several seasons were pretty great.  What we know now (and maybe I'm the only one that didn't know this before), is that HBO encouraged them to spend some money on real writers, and they declined.  They decided they could write the final seasons themselves, with some help from their "assistant."  They felt "they had to make it their own."  They thought the scope of the saga was "too big" to boil down and understand, but say "the show was about power."

We know from the past 10-15 years in film that big budgets are used to make effects, epic sets, and CGI.  That's what works, and makes money, but its hard to make something special without paying good writers.  These guys were pretty good at the screenwriting or adaptation when they had the books, and that is a pretty rare skill, but they aren't good writers.  They had good actors, great sets and effects, but didn't have good writers.

 

[stbugs 1,266]

2 minutes ago, CletiusMaximus said:

I'm not sure I would say they are idiots. I don't really know what these guys did, but the first several seasons were pretty great.  What we know now (and maybe I'm the only one that didn't know this before), is that HBO encouraged them to spend some money on real writers, and they declined.  They decided they could write the final seasons themselves, with some help from their "assistant."  They felt "they had to make it their own."  They thought the scope of the saga was "too big" to boil down and understand, but say "the show was about power."

We know from the past 10-15 years in film that big budgets are used to make effects, epic sets, and CGI.  That's what works, and makes money, but its hard to make something special without paying good writers.  These guys were pretty good at the screenwriting or adaptation when they had the books, and that is a pretty rare skill, but they aren't good writers.  They had good actors, great sets and effects, but didn't have good writers.

 

Idiots is obviously a bit of an exaggeration (coming from an upset fan seeing his favorite show of all time go down the ####ter) but you sure can say that they fell apart without the books. Kind of like people who can memorize things well and get good grades but any of type of problem solving confounds them.

[jplvr 541]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

We now know it was rushed because they had zero clue what to do without the source material. I can just imagine them going he let’s do something like the Shwarma scene in Avengers because all the fans care more about the characters than the story (wrong). It’s the same thing that derailed TWD. They felt the characters were number 1 so they built scripts around them instead of keeping it gritty and real and realizing that these aren’t soap operas/character driven shows.

I blame George for not getting off his ### and finishing it and letting these guys destroy our favorite show. I haven’t had any desire to rewatch it at all. Knowing where it ends kind of kills any desire. I don’t know if I even care about any spin-offs if the same people are involved. When left to their own devices, they were terrible. 

I don't buy this. Some of the best episodes were filmed after the source material ran out, and anyone who has read the books knows the source material was #### for just about everything after Season 4 of the show. 

Their problem was getting lazy and wanting to move on. They admit to this, so we don't really need to dig deep and look for other answers. The show sucked the last two seasons because they no longer wanted to do it, and HBO didn't have the guts to take it away from them. HBO wanted more episodes and offered them the budget, but they said, "nah, we'll just wrap 2-3 seasons worth of material in 13(?) episodes."

[beer 30 2,105]

On 10/28/2019 at 6:43 AM, Leeroy Jenkins said:

So they never knew what they were doing. Lucked out with great actors and crew, and when they ran out of source material they were kind of ####ed. 

Man I didn't get that at all

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

I blame George for not getting off his ### and finishing it and letting these guys destroy our favorite show. I haven’t had any desire to rewatch it at all. Knowing where it ends kind of kills any desire. I don’t know if I even care about any spin-offs if the same people are involved. When left to their own devices, they were terrible. 

That's where I'm at. No desire to go back.