Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory

[Capella 27,191]

1 hour ago, Good Posting Judge said:

You should see r/freefolk. The entire script for the last episode is out because it was submitted for an Emmy (lol), and boy it's not going great.

 

https://m.emmys.com/sites/default/files/collateral/Game of Thrones - Ep 806 - The Iron Throne .pdf

Weren’t they nominated for like 37 emmys? That award seems pretty dumb but it’s certainly more prestigious than reddit internet snark. 

[beer 30 3,077]

11 hours ago, Good Posting Judge said:

You should see r/freefolk. The entire script for the last episode is out because it was submitted for an Emmy (lol), and boy it's not going great.

https://m.emmys.com/sites/default/files/collateral/Game of Thrones - Ep 806 - The Iron Throne .pdf

I bailed on them about 4 days after the finale. I saw where it was going and it was a deep, dark, pit of misery I don't need in my life.

[Good Posting Judge 13,663]

2 hours ago, beer 30 said:

I bailed on them about 4 days after the finale. I saw where it was going and it was a deep, dark, pit of misery I don't need in my life.

Yeah thats most of the internet. Pretty amazing that theyre still at it.

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This idea probably could have saved the series at the end.

[CletiusMaximus 8,148]

Oh no ... 
 

[bigmarc27 4,162]

21 minutes ago, CletiusMaximus said:

Oh no ... 
 

Some of the answers I didn’t think were too bad and then...

 

“When we pitched HBO, we promised them that we would downplay the fantasy elements. (Paraphrase)

She is challenging the fact of how the Night King and the White Walkers and how it played out.”

 

WTF does that even mean?  You still had White Walkers and flying dragons. Downplaying is one thing, you didn’t flesh out the ending though?

 

also WTf is this about?

 

”They are expressing regret about putting the baby on the block of ice and him screaming. The mother was not happy bc Dan just kept talking about a close-up of the baby’s penis.”

 

😒

[CletiusMaximus 8,148]

These are the comments that stick out for me:

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The moderator asked why they chose to write all the episodes by themselves: “Because we didn’t know better.” David said HBO wanted them to hire other writers and they decided to have Bryan Cogman, their assistant, write four episodes.

 

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Did you really sit down and try to boil the elements of the books down? Did you really try to understand it’s major elements.
No. We didn’t. The scope was too big. It was about the scenes we were trying to depict and the show was about power.

What was your process? We just started writing. But as things went on we had to outline. Divvied up scripts. They didn’t work together in the same room. One took first half, the other the last half, then they would swap. They gave episodes to Bryan Cogman and David Hill.

Dab is saying how much they loved the books, but they had to make it their own.

There were times I thought the writing was pretty good, but this does explain a lot. HBO should have made them use real writers from the beginning. 

[randall146 4,190]

Does anyone else get disappointed when the intro gives the TV-Mature rating factors but doesn’t mention nudity or adult situations?

[KarmaPolice 14,380]

4 minutes ago, randall146 said:

Does anyone else get disappointed when the intro gives the TV-Mature rating factors but doesn’t mention nudity or adult situations?

Nah, I discovered internet porn long ago.  Don't need to get excited for a couple boobies on TV anymore.  

[bentley 3,187]

27 minutes ago, randall146 said:

Does anyone else get disappointed when the intro gives the TV-Mature rating factors but doesn’t mention nudity or adult situations?

Yes. Not just limited to this show.

[randall146 4,190]

1 hour ago, KarmaPolice said:

Nah, I discovered internet porn long ago.  Don't need to get excited for a couple boobies on TV anymore.  

I’m old enough now that good tv boobs are much hotter than (most) internet porn

[Good Posting Judge 13,663]

A Twitter user named @ForArya kept a running record of Benioff and Weiss' remarks at the Austin Film Festival. Fake it until you make it, kids.

https://twitter.com/ForArya/status/1188186578071556102

[IrishTwinkie 456]

13 minutes ago, Good Posting Judge said:

A Twitter user named @ForArya kept a running record of Benioff and Weiss' remarks at the Austin Film Festival. Fake it until you make it, kids.

https://twitter.com/ForArya/status/1188186578071556102

This reads like an Onion article.

[Capella 27,191]

51 minutes ago, Good Posting Judge said:

A Twitter user named @ForArya kept a running record of Benioff and Weiss' remarks at the Austin Film Festival. Fake it until you make it, kids.

https://twitter.com/ForArya/status/1188186578071556102

 they got a Star Wars deal too. 
 

 

 

why would they say any of that out loud? 

[Good Posting Judge 13,663]

56 minutes ago, Capella said:

 they got a Star Wars deal too. 
 

 

 

why would they say any of that out loud? 

Honky entitlement.

[Leeroy Jenkins 2,647]

7 hours ago, Good Posting Judge said:

A Twitter user named @ForArya kept a running record of Benioff and Weiss' remarks at the Austin Film Festival. Fake it until you make it, kids.

https://twitter.com/ForArya/status/1188186578071556102

So they never knew what they were doing. Lucked out with great actors and crew, and when they ran out of source material they were kind of ####ed. 

[KarmaPolice 14,380]

2 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

So they never knew what they were doing. Lucked out with great actors and crew, and when they ran out of source material they were kind of ####ed. 

Gee, you couldn't tell at all. 

 

[Good Posting Judge 13,663]

Benioff and Weiss are off Star Wars. Big win for the nerds today.

[Capella 27,191]

On 10/27/2019 at 11:48 PM, Capella said:

 they got a Star Wars deal too. 
 

 

 

why would they say any of that out loud? 

🏆 

[TLEF316 4,482]

I mean, I'm not one of these super nerds that's gonna troll these guys in social media or go yell at them at comic Con.....but man they really botched that last season (really the last 2, for the most part).

So if they never get the reins to anything cool again, I'm kinda ok with that.

Game of thrones was my favorite show of all time and I haven't even been tempted to rewatch any of the last season even once.  So much of it made no sense and the fact that they basically rushed it for something that they've now basically been fired off of is pretty much karma IMO.

[stbugs 2,658]

Sucks the source material ran out. These people are idiots and they completely ####ed up what should have been an epic finish with stupid decisions. 

[stbugs 2,658]

5 minutes ago, TLEF316 said:

I mean, I'm not one of these super nerds that's gonna troll these guys in social media or go yell at them at comic Con.....but man they really botched that last season (really the last 2, for the most part).

So if they never get the reins to anything cool again, I'm kinda ok with that.

Game of thrones was my favorite show of all time and I haven't even been tempted to rewatch any of the last season even once.  So much of it made no sense and the fact that they basically rushed it for something that they've now basically been fired off of is pretty much karma IMO.

We now know it was rushed because they had zero clue what to do without the source material. I can just imagine them going he let’s do something like the Shwarma scene in Avengers because all the fans care more about the characters than the story (wrong). It’s the same thing that derailed TWD. They felt the characters were number 1 so they built scripts around them instead of keeping it gritty and real and realizing that these aren’t soap operas/character driven shows.

I blame George for not getting off his ### and finishing it and letting these guys destroy our favorite show. I haven’t had any desire to rewatch it at all. Knowing where it ends kind of kills any desire. I don’t know if I even care about any spin-offs if the same people are involved. When left to their own devices, they were terrible. 

[CletiusMaximus 8,148]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

Sucks the source material ran out. These people are idiots and they completely ####ed up what should have been an epic finish with stupid decisions. 

I'm not sure I would say they are idiots. I don't really know what these guys did, but the first several seasons were pretty great.  What we know now (and maybe I'm the only one that didn't know this before), is that HBO encouraged them to spend some money on real writers, and they declined.  They decided they could write the final seasons themselves, with some help from their "assistant."  They felt "they had to make it their own."  They thought the scope of the saga was "too big" to boil down and understand, but say "the show was about power."

We know from the past 10-15 years in film that big budgets are used to make effects, epic sets, and CGI.  That's what works, and makes money, but its hard to make something special without paying good writers.  These guys were pretty good at the screenwriting or adaptation when they had the books, and that is a pretty rare skill, but they aren't good writers.  They had good actors, great sets and effects, but didn't have good writers.

 

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2 minutes ago, CletiusMaximus said:

I'm not sure I would say they are idiots. I don't really know what these guys did, but the first several seasons were pretty great.  What we know now (and maybe I'm the only one that didn't know this before), is that HBO encouraged them to spend some money on real writers, and they declined.  They decided they could write the final seasons themselves, with some help from their "assistant."  They felt "they had to make it their own."  They thought the scope of the saga was "too big" to boil down and understand, but say "the show was about power."

We know from the past 10-15 years in film that big budgets are used to make effects, epic sets, and CGI.  That's what works, and makes money, but its hard to make something special without paying good writers.  These guys were pretty good at the screenwriting or adaptation when they had the books, and that is a pretty rare skill, but they aren't good writers.  They had good actors, great sets and effects, but didn't have good writers.

 

Idiots is obviously a bit of an exaggeration (coming from an upset fan seeing his favorite show of all time go down the ####ter) but you sure can say that they fell apart without the books. Kind of like people who can memorize things well and get good grades but any of type of problem solving confounds them.

[jplvr 906]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

We now know it was rushed because they had zero clue what to do without the source material. I can just imagine them going he let’s do something like the Shwarma scene in Avengers because all the fans care more about the characters than the story (wrong). It’s the same thing that derailed TWD. They felt the characters were number 1 so they built scripts around them instead of keeping it gritty and real and realizing that these aren’t soap operas/character driven shows.

I blame George for not getting off his ### and finishing it and letting these guys destroy our favorite show. I haven’t had any desire to rewatch it at all. Knowing where it ends kind of kills any desire. I don’t know if I even care about any spin-offs if the same people are involved. When left to their own devices, they were terrible. 

I don't buy this. Some of the best episodes were filmed after the source material ran out, and anyone who has read the books knows the source material was #### for just about everything after Season 4 of the show. 

Their problem was getting lazy and wanting to move on. They admit to this, so we don't really need to dig deep and look for other answers. The show sucked the last two seasons because they no longer wanted to do it, and HBO didn't have the guts to take it away from them. HBO wanted more episodes and offered them the budget, but they said, "nah, we'll just wrap 2-3 seasons worth of material in 13(?) episodes."

[beer 30 3,077]

On 10/28/2019 at 6:43 AM, Leeroy Jenkins said:

So they never knew what they were doing. Lucked out with great actors and crew, and when they ran out of source material they were kind of ####ed. 

Man I didn't get that at all

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

I blame George for not getting off his ### and finishing it and letting these guys destroy our favorite show. I haven’t had any desire to rewatch it at all. Knowing where it ends kind of kills any desire. I don’t know if I even care about any spin-offs if the same people are involved. When left to their own devices, they were terrible. 

That's where I'm at. No desire to go back.

[parrot 1,290]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

We now know it was rushed because they had zero clue what to do without the source material. I can just imagine them going he let’s do something like the Shwarma scene in Avengers because all the fans care more about the characters than the story (wrong). It’s the same thing that derailed TWD. They felt the characters were number 1 so they built scripts around them instead of keeping it gritty and real and realizing that these aren’t soap operas/character driven shows.

I blame George for not getting off his ### and finishing it and letting these guys destroy our favorite show. I haven’t had any desire to rewatch it at all. Knowing where it ends kind of kills any desire. I don’t know if I even care about any spin-offs if the same people are involved. When left to their own devices, they were terrible. 

I think I've said it before, but I wish George had just dropped any pretense of trying to finish the books and taken over the writing of the show.  It was the only way we were going to get any kind of satisfying ending.   

[stbugs 2,658]

49 minutes ago, jplvr said:

I don't buy this. Some of the best episodes were filmed after the source material ran out, and anyone who has read the books knows the source material was #### for just about everything after Season 4 of the show. 

Their problem was getting lazy and wanting to move on. They admit to this, so we don't really need to dig deep and look for other answers. The show sucked the last two seasons because they no longer wanted to do it, and HBO didn't have the guts to take it away from them. HBO wanted more episodes and offered them the budget, but they said, "nah, we'll just wrap 2-3 seasons worth of material in 13(?) episodes."

I’ll believe you because I never read the books. The difference/drop off was so drastic. It’s disappointing to think they just got tired of it and didn’t care. Also, too bad HBO didn’t take it back over. I would have waited another year to get a real last season.

[thecatch 2,129]

1 hour ago, jplvr said:

I don't buy this. Some of the best episodes were filmed after the source material ran out, and anyone who has read the books knows the source material was #### for just about everything after Season 4 of the show. 

Their problem was getting lazy and wanting to move on. They admit to this, so we don't really need to dig deep and look for other answers. The show sucked the last two seasons because they no longer wanted to do it, and HBO didn't have the guts to take it away from them. HBO wanted more episodes and offered them the budget, but they said, "nah, we'll just wrap 2-3 seasons worth of material in 13(?) episodes."

I think it can be both. 

[KarmaPolice 14,380]

3 hours ago, stbugs said:

We now know it was rushed because they had zero clue what to do without the source material. I can just imagine them going he let’s do something like the Shwarma scene in Avengers because all the fans care more about the characters than the story (wrong). It’s the same thing that derailed TWD. They felt the characters were number 1 so they built scripts around them instead of keeping it gritty and real and realizing that these aren’t soap operas/character driven shows.

I blame George for not getting off his ### and finishing it and letting these guys destroy our favorite show. I haven’t had any desire to rewatch it at all. Knowing where it ends kind of kills any desire. I don’t know if I even care about any spin-offs if the same people are involved. When left to their own devices, they were terrible. 

None of us know the details of all this, so IMO it's hard to put the hard blame on any one person involved.  Seems like an epic #### up all around.  

I get the sentiment of the bolded if part of the deal was that he promised the 6th and 7th books to be done by the time they needed them.  If not, I am not sure why it was his show to save or if he would have had the power to do it anyway.  Supposedly he gave them an outline of what the series was heading towards.  I think more fault lies with whoever had the power to force the issue and hire actual writers and chose not to go down that path.  In the end I think all involved saw the ratings going up, the money pouring in, and really didn't care a ton beyond that.  

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2 hours ago, jplvr said:

I don't buy this. Some of the best episodes were filmed after the source material ran out, and anyone who has read the books knows the source material was #### for just about everything after Season 4 of the show. 

Their problem was getting lazy and wanting to move on. They admit to this, so we don't really need to dig deep and look for other answers. The show sucked the last two seasons because they no longer wanted to do it, and HBO didn't have the guts to take it away from them. HBO wanted more episodes and offered them the budget, but they said, "nah, we'll just wrap 2-3 seasons worth of material in 13(?) episodes."

I guess I don't know how deals and shows like this work.  Did HBO have no power to force this issue?   Basically tell them they wanted 3 more seasons at least, and if they don't do it they will go a different direction?  Or did they get some iron-clad sweet deal from the get-go where they had total control over this?

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https://www.cnet.com/news/hbo-game-of-thrones-prequel-with-naomi-watts-isnt-happening-reports-say/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0b

 

Big news from the Game of Thrones universe. Multiple media outlets, including Deadline and The Hollywood Reporter, are reporting that HBO will not be making the Game of Thrones prequel starring Naomi Watts and Josh Whitehouse. We'll update with any official comment from HBO as soon as we receive it.

The show was set far earlier than Ned Stark days, with a focus on the first battle between man and the first White Walkers.

This is a developing story and will be updated.

 

[Worm 1,919]

I guess the pilot was pretty bad. Better to cancel than to trot out a pile of ####.

[Capella 27,191]

Man that had to be pretty expensive to film just to cancel it. 

[Todem 4,370]

4 minutes ago, Worm said:

I guess the pilot was pretty bad. Better to cancel than to trot out a pile of ####.

We will always have seasons 1-6 to fondly watch again and again.

[KarmaPolice 14,380]

37 minutes ago, Todem said:

We will always have seasons 1-4 to fondly watch again and again.

FYP

[jplvr 906]

7 hours ago, KarmaPolice said:

I guess I don't know how deals and shows like this work.  Did HBO have no power to force this issue?   Basically tell them they wanted 3 more seasons at least, and if they don't do it they will go a different direction?  Or did they get some iron-clad sweet deal from the get-go where they had total control over this?

It would seem the easiest answer would be they trusted them when they said they didn't need more episodes or time. Considering the budget and ever increasing payroll, I doubt it was an answer which was received poorly.

[KarmaPolice 14,380]

2 hours ago, jplvr said:

It would seem the easiest answer would be they trusted them when they said they didn't need more episodes or time. Considering the budget and ever increasing payroll, I doubt it was an answer which was received poorly.

If that was the case, why would HBO have been asking them for more seasons?  

[Leeroy Jenkins 2,647]

Hbo probably realized that nobody cares about the white walkers now, given how their ending went. 

[TLEF316 4,482]

Yeah, if they want this franchise to survive, the next installment needs to be an absolute slam dunk. Lots of dragons blowing stuff up is the safest bet

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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjwyjy/hbos-first-official-game-of-thrones-prequel-spinoff-will-be-based-on-house-targaryen?utm_source=vicetwitterus

HBO's First Official 'GoT' Spinoff Will Be Based on House Targaryen

House of the Dragon.

 

The new series is an adaptation of George R.R. Martin's sprawling, encyclopedic history of House Targaryen, Fire and Blood, and it's called, unsurprisingly, House of the Dragon.

 

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They could suck 10 years out of that thing and barely get beyond Aegon's Conquest.

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3 hours ago, TLEF316 said:

Yeah, if they want this franchise to survive, the next installment needs to be an absolute slam dunk. Lots of dragons blowing stuff up is the safest bet

If this was the case, why was it so wildly popular for the first few years? I would argue great characters and dialogue, not zombies and dragons.  So the safest bet might actually to give a #### about those 2 things again and get away from the zombie kidnapping quests.  

[Buckna 1,315]

How many of the spinoffs are still left in development? At one time they had like 5 or 6 different ones all going.

Going back to the Targ conquest could be really good if they hire some actual writers this time. Especially if they work in the mystery of what the hell happened to Valyria somehow.

[TLEF316 4,482]

1 hour ago, KarmaPolice said:

If this was the case, why was it so wildly popular for the first few years? I would argue great characters and dialogue, not zombies and dragons.  So the safest bet might actually to give a #### about those 2 things again and get away from the zombie kidnapping quests.  

 

For the hardcore fans of the show? Sure.

For the unwashed masses that made it a megahit (and weren't really all that turned off by the ending)....they'll tune in for the big splashy stuff.  

I'm talking about the people who don't know most of the characters names.

[jplvr 906]

15 hours ago, KarmaPolice said:

If that was the case, why would HBO have been asking them for more seasons?  

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[TheFanatic 3,098]

22 hours ago, KarmaPolice said:

FYP

Only seasons 1-4? Season five had some EPIC episodes. Hardhomme being spectacular. 

[Good Posting Judge 13,663]

Apparently they got booted from SW after the GOT finale. Lol.

[Capella 27,191]

1 minute ago, Good Posting Judge said:

Apparently they got booted from SW after the GOT finale. Lol.

Is that the story?