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Brady is never going to pass Terry Bradshaw or Montana as GOAT with only three Super Bowl wins. And anyone who doesn't think TB was more dominant in his time than Brady is now has to go read some football history books. Don't bother with stats, either. It wasn't a stats game back then.
At the risk of hijacking my own thread, Bradshaw the GOAT?
I said you can make an argument for Brady, not that he was (and I don't agree that he is FWIW.) There are already huge threads devoted to debating that topic.
So Eli is just as good as Elway, since they have the same amount of Super Bowl wins? Plunkett better than P-Man? Dilfer better than Marino? This logic just ming-boggling crazy.At the risk of hijacking my own thread, Bradshaw the GOAT?
Anybody outside of Stiller Nation ever say that? Their defense played a major role in Bradshaw's 4 rings...
wodahSShadow said:So Eli is just as good as Elway, since they have the same amount of Super Bowl wins? Plunkett better than P-Man? Dilfer better than Marino? This isn't the NBA - QBs need a TEAM around them to do playoff/Super Bowl damage...And, to take off what Myer said, I literally have not read, heard, watched or listened to any professional nor Steeler Homer ever conjure up such a rosy image of Bradshaw such as the GOAT that you propose...ComfortablyNumb said:At the risk of hijacking my own thread, Bradshaw the GOAT?meyerj31 said:
Anybody outside of Stiller Nation ever say that? Their defense played a major role in Bradshaw's 4 rings...
Bradshaw threw 212 TDs and 210 INTs in his NFL career. No, stats are not everything, but +2 for your career in TD/INT ratio is hardly stellar.meyerj31 said:
This. If his ADP slides to QB6 or QB7, it could be a different story. But I'd rather take whatever QB is available at QB6 or QB7 than take Brady as QB3.
According to PFF, Brady attempted 84 deep passes last season, which was 5th most in the NFL. (Though they define deep as 20+ yards.) That was 13.2% of his passing attempts, which was the 6th highest percentage in the NFL.
This is just a ridiculous thread. Only way Brady does bad this year is if he gets hurt, or Amendola, Gronkowski and Hernandez are all out of the same game. WTF is this post?
I eat really, really good peanuts.
"Does bad[ly]" is relative. In fantasy, I expect him to have a good season, but very likely finish far behind both Rodgers and Brees, and also behind Peyton, Cam, Ryan, and a couple of last year's phenom first-time starters or Stafford, or Romo. I don't see him as any better than QB6, with downside to around QB10. That isn't bad by any stretch, but it's also not really worth a third- or fourth-round pick.
You just made his point for him.
Seriously. Significant time?? If he misses ANY time from this it will be a career ender. He either misses nothing or his freedom for 20 years.
This is crazy talk. "NO" doubt?? Not even a little??
What would make him any worse than he has been the last half dozen years?
He isn't worse, but his weapons are directly related to how good his stats can be. Gronk missing half the year hurts. Welker gone and Amendola is made of glass. Who knows on hernandez.
A lot of assuming here.
I am getting tired of reciting this, but let's try one more time.
"PatsFanCT" thinks the Pats will be awesome? I'm shocked, shocked!
So riddle me this. Welker was mostly an unheralded nobody before he got to NE. Amendola went to the same college, played the same position, put up better numbers as a senior, and has been a target of NE's for well beyond this year and into last year. Given that the Pats, their coaching, their, system, and their QB essentially made Welker what he is, wouldn't the team deserve some credit for trying for quite a while to land his replacement (which essentially is a very similar player)? I mean, we all here have 30 years of experience coaching in the NFL, certainly we know as much as more as the guys on the New England.staff.
based on this. I understand that you prefer to bury your head in the sand and pretend that Hernandez will skate by as if nothing happened. I do not.
We certainly have no real details on either incident, but if Hernandez now were to claim this guy is out to make a buck and Hernandez says he had nothing to do with it, it's possibly he could skate. At this point it could be he said, he said with no witnesses, no evidence, no weapon, no real police report, etc. I'd be interested if there's much linking Hernandez to the guy or the crime scene. If the gun is unregistered, it would be even more difficult to connect Hernandez to it. The league might not like it, but unless there is more to the story, on the surface this whole thing appears to be sketchy. Who waits 4 months to do something?
Posts like this make me sad.
A Giants fan thinks the Pats will suck. I'm shocked, shocked!
Let's not get crazy. Bradshaw was a decent QB, but if the Steelers don't win 4 titles, no one would be talking about Terry Bradshaw in 2013. To gain some perspective on things, Bradshaw ranked in the Top 5 in completion percentage once, passing yards twice, passer rating twice, lowest INT percentage twice, and passing TD 4 times. Statistically he was not a HOFer passed on his stats (again, winning counts a lot and winning titles counts even more, that's not the argument here).
Lol. Yeah, burying my head in the sand because a drug adict with a rap sheet who first tells police two guys he didn't know shoots him, and then four months later sues Hernandez without even filing a police report against him, is going to get him suspended. Good one.
Even in the context of his era he was only an above-average QB at best for the first half of his career. I don't give him a lot of credit for the first 2 Super Bowls since the Steelers could have won them with Trent Dilfer.
Is there an advanced stat that can show how many yards Brady threw for prior to the catch? Gronk, AH, and Welker are some of the better after the catch runners at their positions. Brady is a great player, but having those weapons made it easier.
Well, besides Ballard and Fells, and the other promising WR's, UFA TE Zach Sudfeld has shined in the OTA's. He's another Gronk size guy. 6' 7, 255 and athletic. There will also be plenty of free agents available one the rosters start getting cut, so I think Brady will be fine.
