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2 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

There are reports out today that last year at this time Brady DID NOT want a multi-year extension and just wanted more money to cover the 2019 season. Apparently he made it clear that he wanted to become a free agent prior to the 2020 season. All along we have been operating under the premise that NE was the side that would only go year-to-year with Brady. It appears that Brady was the one that turned down a multi-year offer last year. Granted, that could have been a 3-year deal for a total of $6 million for all we know, but there are more and more little puzzle pieces that are starting to be uncovered that may mean Brady really is intent on leaving.

That being said, Peter King mentioned today that if Brady really is moving on, the Patriots would be in no rush to bring in someone else. He mentioned they might not acquire someone until May. I find that opinion fascinating, as one would think the sooner they brought someone in, the sooner that guy could learn the playbook and start working with the team. King seems to think (paraphrasing) that NE would let other teams overpay in the first wave and then find an acceptable solution from a player getting a little desperate once the other QB slots around the league start drying up.

I jeep hearing Dalton and Mariota as the more likely options. It will be interesting to see what they do, if they give Stidham a shot, if they grab someone in the first round of the draft (or try to move up), etc. (Not sure what Dalton would cost in a trade.)

I would say that at this stage I may actually see this as a tipping point, with Brady now being more likely to leave than he is to stay (51% leaving / 49% staying). I still think this will come down to Brady picking between the devil he knows (BB, low dollars, fewer weapons) vs. the fear of the unknown (but with more money, a new environment, and likely better weapons). We have a little over a week to go, and we will only see things heat up even more over that time.

One thing I know is that no one knows except Bill and Tom. I see all kinds of speculation out there with all kinds of sources. I think what New England does if Brady leaves is more interesting. If they believe in Stidham then I can see them signing a free agent in the 8-10 million range say like a Case Keenum type to mentor and compete with Stidham and the other quarterback they draft like Eason or Fromm maybe Love if he lasts that long. I can see them going with 3 QBs on the roster if they chose this route.

Pats could sign Teddy Bridgewater or trade for Andy Dalton if they wanted a longer-term option but these options are not as cheap and would mean a longer commitment. New England has no one to blame but themselves. Should have replaced Brady with Jimmy G instead of trading Jimmy G and they would not be here right now in this tough situation and I know Brady won another Super Bowl after the trade but really Jimmy G could have maybe won that Super Bowl.  I think in the end the Patriots coin up and pay Brady and draft another QB. I think they will let Brady know this is the last contract and everything will be fine. I kind of hope he leaves just to see the "poop" storm it would create. 

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ESPN's Mike Reiss reports the Patriots and impending free agent Tom Brady have come "no closer to an agreement" in recent days.

Per Reiss, there is "an air of uncertainty throughout the building." Reiss also confirms that owner Robert Kraft will not intervene on Brady's behalf, leaving the decision up to Bill Belichick. That would seem to spell trouble for Brady's New England future, though Reiss has also reported the Pats are prepared to pay Brady up to $25 million annually. The CBA situation has talks at a standstill.

SOURCE: Mike Reiss on Twitter

Mar 10, 2020, 5:43 PM ET

 

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On 3/8/2020 at 1:38 PM, JohnnyU said:

Just curious from NE fans what effect will losing Brady, if not this year, soon, will have on Pats fans that have had him for so many years?   I remember when the Colts lost Bert Jones and how I felt about that.  Or are you excited to open a new chapter in Patriots football?

In one sense it will be a tragedy, but in another its exciting to see what BB can get done without TB. 

A better question might be how fans feel about the future when both TB and BB are gone.  I'm not in the camp that thinks McDaniels is the answer.

Having said that, I've watched the Pats since the 70's, so I put up with 25 years of suck, and another 25 years of suck post Tom and Bill won't stop me from being a fan.

 

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Tampa Bay Times' Rick Stroud reports the Buccaneers are going "all in" on Tom Brady in free agency.

"This is not hype," Stroud, a trusted Bucs insider, wrote. "It’s hope. This is fact, not fantasy. This is the plan. This is the Bucs’ play." Coach Bruce Arians and GM Jason Licht had no issues lamenting on Tampa Bay's ongoing situation under center at the Combine, making it clear 26-year-old impending free agent Jameis Winston was their backup plan to a number of vets that could potentially hit the market. Time will tell whether Brady will listen, but Stroud adds the organization "will try not to take no for an answer" as "it’s hard to imagine any team outbidding [the Glazer family]." The Chargers have also been linked to Brady since he just recently launched a Hollywood production company in Los Angeles.

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SOURCE: Tampa Bay Times on Twitter

Mar 11, 2020, 3:08 PM ET

 

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Just now, Faust said:

 

 

Best receiving group he would have since maybe 07. Probably better. 

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Interesting how all over the map some of these reports are. Yesterday, ESPN reported / suggested on Get Up that the Brady camp was fluffing up the interest level of teams when it was very possible there is not much of a market for him. Then today we get that TB is all in to sign Brady. If the reports are accurate, he is seeking to become a de facto general manager and offensive coordinator with the right to manage the roster and call the plays. It will be an interesting week . . .

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3 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

 If the reports are accurate, he is seeking to become a de facto general manager and offensive coordinator with the right to manage the roster and call the plays.  .

So you're telling me he might think he's Lebron James?

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Yahoo Sports' Charles Robinson writes the Buccaneers and Chargers are in position to make a run at Tom Brady.

Robinson notes that these two teams, plus the Titans and 49ers, are waiting on how things shake out between Brady and the Patriots. ESPN's Mike Reiss reported on Tuesday that they are "no closer to an agreement" and that there is "uncertainty" throughout New England with just days remaining before the legal tampering period kicks off. Both the Bucs and Bolts have the receiving weapons (and likely the salary) Brady is looking for at this stage in his career but actually leaving the Pats organization may be easier said than done. It's expected that the Patriots will offer Brady a reasonable contract before free agency begins. The question is if he'll accept it.

SOURCE: Yahoo Sports

Mar 11, 2020, 10:49 AM ET

 

 

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Season cancelled because of CV. Brady and Hoodie go fishing together and Brady comes back to Pats in 2021.  lol

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Even though the world may be ending, there is still football related stuff going on. Reports coming out of Boston today that the deal BB made to Brady was for one year only and for less money than he made last year. There was also insider talk that the TB to SF rumor has legs. 

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1 minute ago, Anarchy99 said:

Even though the world may be ending, there is still football related stuff going on. Reports coming out of Boston today that the deal BB made to Brady was for one year only and for less money than he made last year. There was also insider talk that the TB to SF rumor has legs. 

Dale Arnold: Patriots told Tom Brady they can only offer 1-year deal for less than he made in 2019

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Brady to TB seems completely stupid. Arians runs a vertical offense and that part of Brady's game has been diminishing for several seasons.

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7 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

 

So why doesn't Brady just sign with a team March 19 1201 AM just to stick it to NE?

6 days from now we may get that answer.

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On 3/12/2020 at 12:37 PM, Anarchy99 said:

Interesting how all over the map some of these reports are. Yesterday, ESPN reported / suggested on Get Up that the Brady camp was fluffing up the interest level of teams when it was very possible there is not much of a market for him. Then today we get that TB is all in to sign Brady. If the reports are accurate, he is seeking to become a de facto general manager and offensive coordinator with the right to manage the roster and call the plays. It will be an interesting week . . .

If he wants a future in the front office or as a coordinator, I'd think j Rob and vrabel would be on board. 

50 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

IMO Brady fails everywhere but TEN...

 

TB would be a disaster

As much as I'd like it for Howard, you're probably right. Whenever a coach and QB aren't on the same page, that's a problem for sure. 

 

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17 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

Even though the world may be ending, there is still football related stuff going on. Reports coming out of Boston today that the deal BB made to Brady was for one year only and for less money than he made last year. There was also insider talk that the TB to SF rumor has legs. 

If that is true it seems highly unlikely Brady is going to be fine with that and it looks like he’ll be gone.

Even if I wasn’t a Pat hater, I’d think this would be the most interesting storyline in the NFL in 2020 and I’d be rooting for Brady to sign somewhere else. I’m more curious to see what Bill and the Pats would do than what happens to Brady. I still think Brady can be effective and win games but at 42/43 he’s obviously is at the end of the line, but it would still be interesting to see what he brings to a new team. Heck I may even pull for him to do well.

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20 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

IMO Brady fails everywhere but TEN...

You had me until "but TEN". Brady's best shot is NEP. It's not a very good shot

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22 hours ago, Flying Elvis said:

Brady to TB seems completely stupid. Arians runs a vertical offense and that part of Brady's game has been diminishing for several seasons.

But Arians is pretty stupid, so who knows.  I guess stupid might be the wrong term - he acts stupidly because he is blinded/biased by his desire to win before he retires.

 

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1 hour ago, Dr. Dan said:

IMO TEN can support him defensively and with a good running game. I dont think Brady can do it himself; he needs a good supporting cast. NE, unless they make significant changes, doesnt have that. TB, LAC, IND... none of them are set like TEN is. We could make an argument for TB offensively, but defensively and in the running game- no chance. 

Brady's long game is deteriorated to the point he would negate AJ Brown, who is pretty much the only bright spot among the receivers. He's hatdly as mobile as Tannehill so he'll have to air it out more, and Humphries is hardly Edelman, Walker/Smith are not Gronk, so yes there is Derrick Henry but other than that it'll be frustration for Brady in TEN, and equally for those of us tgat don't want him to come to Nashville 

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6 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Maybe. If we take the article at face value that their first choice is re-signing R Tannehill.
I'm not doubting the article. I think it could be the Titans want Tannehill and if not, Brady 

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TENN reached agreement with Tannehill so officially out on Brady.

 

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Great news IMO , happy for Titans fans, AJ Brown owners, and Brady owners too (I still think Brady would do better in TB or Indy) 

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2 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

Great news IMO , happy for Titans fans, AJ Brown owners, and Brady owners too (I still think Brady would do better in TB or Indy) 

I think for his personal on field success and team success no place trumps San Fran and have thought that ever since I thought they become remotely viable.

 

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Just now, menobrown said:

I think for his personal on field success and team success no place trumps San Fran and have thought that ever since I thought they become remotely viable.

 

Yeah I'm just not buying that, but I agree he would do great there with the  D, run game, and short-intermediate routes that Deebo likes. 

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NBC Sports' Chris Simms reports free agent Tom Brady is down to the Patriots and Buccaneers.

Simms also reports Brady's top choice was the 49ers, but they've dropped out of the Brady sweepstakes and are focusing on Jimmy Garoppolo as their franchise quarterback. With Ryan Tannehill securing a long-term deal with the Titans, Brady's options are dwindling. This report suggests Brady will be choosing between staying home on an average deal or moving down to Florida on a more lucrative deal to pair up with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. Simms ultimately predicts Brady staying with the Patriots, but this isn't settled yet. In fact, we can't even rule out a wild card team making a last-second push. Time is ticking for Brady to find what's best for his last couple of NFL seasons.

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SOURCE: NBC Sports

Mar 15, 2020, 3:26 PM ET

 

 

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I think he's gonna be a Buc, and I'm betting they commit to drafting lineman early to protect him better. He'll definitely have the best weapons he's had in a loooong time. 

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Brady and NE said to be not close to a deal. Legal tampering period starts later today. Brady to become a free agent on Wednesday afternoon. NE not trying to free up cap room at the last second heading into free agency. So it is said they are either thinking the market will be soft for TB12 in free agency or they are prepared to just move on. 

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Has his dead cap hit been explained in here?  I'm sure it has, but:

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For starters, Brady put into his contract last summer that it voids at the start of the 2020 league year (March 18) and that he cannot be hit with the franchise or transition tag. The quarterback cannot sign with any other team before March 18 and furthermore, he and his representatives cannot even speak to other teams until March 16, the day the legal tampering window begins.

With that being said, the Patriots can sign him to a new contract at any point — they have the exclusive rights to negotiate with him up until March 16.

What happens also has implications on the Patriots’ 2020 salary cap.

If Brady were to retire, the Patriots would have $13.5 million of dead money in 2020. If he re-signs with the Patriots prior to March 18, the number would be split over 2020 and 2021, so $6.75 million would be added to the Patriots’ 2020 salary cap. If Brady were to sign a new contract before March 18 and his 2020 cap hit was $20 million, it really would be $26.75 million.

If he were to sign with the Patriots or another team after March 18, there would be $13.5 in dead money for the Patriots in 2020. That means if Brady signs a deal with a $20 million cap hit with the Patriots after March 18, his cap hit would really be $33.5 million.

So, if the Patriots are going to bring him back, it makes a ton of sense for it to happen before March 18. But, that might be difficult to do because Brady wouldn’t get a true sense of what his value is on the open market.

Whatever happens is going to happen in the next few days.   

 

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3 minutes ago, Grahamburn said:

Has his dead cap hit been explained in here?  I'm sure it has, but:

Whatever happens is going to happen in the next few days.   

 

Brady signed a multi year extension last year with only one real year. So there is a pending $13.5 million cap hit floating in the ether that has not been charged yet. If NE signs him by the end of day Wednesday, they can split that cap charge over this season and next season. If they don’t sign him by Wednesday, then they have to eat that $13.5 million cap charge immediately. Even if they end up re-signing Brady after that. 

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Patriots tagging guard Joe Thuney and re-signing safety Devin McCourty leaves the coffers pretty much empty to bring back Brady. By my math, NE down to $10-12 million in cap space. Will lose another $6.75 million end of Wednesday if Brady is not signed. Looks like the end of the TB12 era is upon us. 

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6 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Patriots tagging guard Joe Thuney and re-signing safety Devin McCourty leaves the coffers pretty much empty to bring back Brady. By my math, NE down to $10-12 million in cap space. Will lose another $6.75 million end of Wednesday if Brady is not signed. Looks like the end of the TB12 era is upon us. 

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At the very least even if Brady would play for $12MM, which is doubtful, they'd have no cap space to bring in new weapons (without getting creative).

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4 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

At the very least even if Brady would play for $12MM, which is doubtful, they'd have no cap space to bring in new weapons (without getting creative).

There are ways for them to free up more cap space . . . like trading Thuney, reworking other deals, cutting Gostkowski or Sanu, etc. But I doubt there is time to do all that in 48 hours.

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Rotoworld:

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CBS' Jason La Canfora reports the Bucs' interest in free agent Tom Brady is "real and sincere."

So far, the Bucs seem to be the only team with legitimate interest in the greatest player of the 21st century, if not all time. Even the Pats' interest is unclear. A New England return is probably still most likely, but it's a bad sign that Brady and Bill Belichick have not already hashed this one out.

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SOURCE: Jason La Canfora on Twitter

Mar 16, 2020, 12:36 PM ET

 

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The Athletics' Vic Tafur reports the Raiders, "aren't totally out of" the running for QB Tom Brady.

Tafur added that the Buccaneers are ahead in line against the Raiders. The Patriots are also obviously still thought to be plenty involved. The Chargers are also reportedly in the mix, while ESPN's Chris Mortensen hinted at the possibility of potential mystery teams. It remains to be seen where Brady will sign, but plenty of reports have indicated the Buccaneers are going all out to get TB12. Brady's decision will ultimately go a long way towards shaping the rest of the free agent class.

SOURCE: Vic Tafur on Twitter

Mar 16, 2020, 4:50 PM ET

 

 

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6 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

At the very least even if Brady would play for $12MM, which is doubtful, they'd have no cap space to bring in new weapons (without getting creative).

It's worse than that as of now. Right now, their top 51 contracts are ~$174.8M. Their dead money is ~$7.8M. Their current draft picks, should they all make the team, would have a collective 2020 cap hit of ~$9M. That totals to ~$191.6M. 

They rolled over ~$5.4M from the 2019 cap, meaning their total 2020 cap is ~$203.6M. Deducting the top 51 contracts, dead money, and draft picks leaves ~$12M.

But they have to pay the practice squad, which will cost $2.142M. And they need to reserve $3M to $4M for IR replacements during the season. So they are probably down to ~$6M.

This is all based on the top 51 contracts including a $6.75M cap hit for Brady. If they don't sign him by the deadline, the extra $6.75M hit means they literally have nothing left to spend.

I'm sure they can make some moves to free up cap space. For example, they can presumably work out a long term contract with Thuney and lower his 2020 cap number. But I don't see how they can free up enough space to bring Brady back unless he is playing for an unprecedently low salary. Much less get more weapons.

:popcorn: 

ETA: I just realized, since the Pats have more than 51 players under contract, the rookies will displace veterans who currently have minimum salaries. So ~$5M of the cost of the rookies will be offset by pushing minimum salary vets out. So they probably really have about $11M to work with without further moves, so the extra $6.75M hit for Brady would drop them to about $4M without any further signings of free agents, whether internal or external.

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To summarize the above, NE has $21M in cap room less whatever the cap hit for Devin McCourty is for this year (not sure how his 2 year, $23M new contract is structured). And then they lose another $6.75 million after Wednesday for additional unaccounted for cap money for Brady. To make up a number for McCourty, if we assign him a cap hit of $11M for this year, that would leave NE with under $4M in cap room once they don’t resign Brady. That’s if they don’t do anything (and obviously they will make roster moves at some point).

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2 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

But I don't think you are accounting for practice squad and IR replacements. That stuff combined will take $5M to $6M.

I am going off of what Spotrac lists for available cap space for NE. Their bottom line number for NE is $21,051,477. They don't have anything for McCourty listed yet. I am guessing their bottom line number is about as official a number there is. LINK

No matter how you slice it, no matter what the numbers actually are, adding Brady to that number would be impossible without many other moves to get under the cap in less than 48 hours (unless Brady agrees to play for $10 million this year).

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Curious if the craziness in the world influences this situation at all. Giselle has to be pushing hard core for him to retire, stay home and not travel all over the place. 
 

Clearly more important things to worry about right now than Brady, just a random thought. 

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11 minutes ago, Hairy Snowman said:

Where is he going to announce?  Tampa or SD.  I think it is Tampa.

TB as I've predicted all along. Warm weather for his trophy wife, amazing weapons to throw to, and Arians is going to let him be the boss and call the shots. 

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