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Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (3 Viewers)
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
wouldn't her best course of action is distance herself and sue him for child support? Hernandez is going to get cleaned out
Shutout
Footballguy
Perhaps if she didn't love him or care about the future of her child's father. It's probably the easy financial answer but not likely the human emotion based one.
Faust
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Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
Billy Ball Thorton said:
Blah blah blah blah blah.
You go on with your liberal bad self. Clever guy.
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FantasyMan
Footballguy
How does Phenix saying that a sherrif should follow the law make him a liberal? Or is it that you're thinking you don't like what he said and you are not a liberal so he must be?Billy Ball Thorton said:
TIA
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
not sure what citizens rights get taken away from you have once you have been arrested and placed in holding, the sheriff probably does have to sign off on them getting married while Hernandez is in his cell. If he was released on bail it might be a different story.
KCitons
Footballguy
Here's my thoughts. What is significant about the timing of the marriage?
If Hernandez is innocent, then why not wait a couple of years to have a real wedding and get married? I'm sure when his fiance dreamed of her ideal wedding, it didn't involve grey bars.
If Hernandez is guilty, then why rush the wedding? Unless there is the option of her being unable to testify. Or to hide assets.
The sheriff could just rule to delay the wedding, not deny it. They are free to get married after the trial has concluded.
If Hernandez is innocent, then why not wait a couple of years to have a real wedding and get married? I'm sure when his fiance dreamed of her ideal wedding, it didn't involve grey bars.
If Hernandez is guilty, then why rush the wedding? Unless there is the option of her being unable to testify. Or to hide assets.
The sheriff could just rule to delay the wedding, not deny it. They are free to get married after the trial has concluded.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I agree with this. I also wonder what's in it for his fiance at this point to go through with the marriage. Does she really want to live her life married to a convicted murderer or is there some financial benefit to her and her child if they get married and divorced later.
GregR
Footballguy
Urban doesn't seem to understand the criticism if he thinks that statement exonerates himself and his staff somehow.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Did you hear what Aaron Hernandez did this morning? Nothing. Just like he's going to do for the rest of his life.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I have no love for Meyer or the Gators but how does some failed drug tests that were covered up 4 to 7 years ago, if they were, connected in anyway to this guy most likely killing someone?
Is the media really trying to make this Florida and Meyer's fault because they covered up a few failed drug tests for a star athlete at a major university?
I guess no other university ever did this and the guy went on to not be a murderer. Unless I am misinterpreting the article I read.
Is the media really trying to make this Florida and Meyer's fault because they covered up a few failed drug tests for a star athlete at a major university?
I guess no other university ever did this and the guy went on to not be a murderer. Unless I am misinterpreting the article I read.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Guessing Meyer probably was aware that Hernandez and R. Nelson shot up a car and tried to kill 3 people. Meyer is win it all cost trash.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
There was no covered up drug tests. The NCAA does the testing, not the schools. Players are required to pull their pants down below their knees as an NCAA trained employee watches the pee come out. The sample is immediately handed to the employee at the urinal, usually before the player completes urination.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I don't hate Florida at all. Far from it.
It's also possible to be a fan of Florida and not have your head completely up Meyer's bunghole too.
Faust
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I'm sticking with unhinged if you believe the coach had knowledge that one of his players shot three guys and covered it up.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I am not sure what the positive drug tests have to do with Hernandez going out and murdering people. Maybe Hernandez should have smoked more pot; it might have mellowed him out.
I Am the Stig
Footballguy
He has already lost many of his rights. Not yet Being convicted has little to do with it. Can he come and go as pleases? Can he eat what he pleases? Can he watch on TV what he pleases? Can he just call who he pleases?
Once his bail was denied he was determined to great a risk to be granted any rights until his trial is over.
Yitbos69
Footballguy
gump
Footballguy
Media being media...but Meyer certainly has a bad rep for letting his stars do whatever they wanted, with no consequences.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I agree with you but every time I hear or read something about the Meyer/Hernandez connection it just feels like the media is trying to spin it into "Well if Meyer would have kept a tighter leash this wouldn't have happened" Maybe I am reading too much into it, but it just rubs me the wrong way.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
gump
Footballguy
Did you see the article I linked above? 34% of Meyers '08 team had an arrest. That's not the norm.Pretty much sounds like every football program from high school on thru the pros.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
To be fair, that number includes arrests after college when Meyer had little influence and no responsibility.Did you see the article I linked above? 34% of Meyers '08 team had an arrest. That's not the norm.Pretty much sounds like every football program from high school on thru the pros.
cstu
Footballguy
41% of Americans have been arrested by age 23.Did you see the article I linked above? 34% of Meyers '08 team had an arrest. That's not the norm.Pretty much sounds like every football program from high school on thru the pros.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Hell of a leap to equate that to him letting his players murder people.
Jesus, if Meyer knew, he would probably be dead now, too.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Arrested for what?? A ton of people I know have been arrested for underage drinking (big whoop, nothing happens when you are under 18).
It would help to know what the arrests were for. Shoot, half my friends on national honor society were arrested once.
edit..............says it all
41% of Americans have been arrested by age 23.
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CapnJB
Footballguy
That's being a bit of an alarmist.41% of Americans have been arrested by age 23.Did you see the article I linked above? 34% of Meyers '08 team had an arrest. That's not the norm.Pretty much sounds like every football program from high school on thru the pros.
Interviewing 7000 people over 10 years does not equate to 41% of Americans being arrested by the age of 23.
I Am the Stig
Footballguy
What a bunch of BS. I don't even think 41% ever even went to after school detention.That's being a bit of an alarmist.41% of Americans have been arrested by age 23.Did you see the article I linked above? 34% of Meyers '08 team had an arrest. That's not the norm.Pretty much sounds like every football program from high school on thru the pros.
Interviewing 7000 people over 10 years does not equate to 41% of Americans being arrested by the age of 23.
gump
Footballguy
So 34% of a football team getting arrested is the norm?
Are articles like this also the norm...discussing how character issues gutted the most powerful program in the country...and were 'fueled by a culture Meyer created'?
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-04-09/urban-meyer-florida-ohio-state-ncaa-violation-recruiting-drugs-program-will-musc
Meyers influence over AHs path is getting blown out of proportion...but I don't think he received enough criticism when he left UF either.
Are articles like this also the norm...discussing how character issues gutted the most powerful program in the country...and were 'fueled by a culture Meyer created'?
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-04-09/urban-meyer-florida-ohio-state-ncaa-violation-recruiting-drugs-program-will-musc
Meyers influence over AHs path is getting blown out of proportion...but I don't think he received enough criticism when he left UF either.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree. Hernandez is a psychopath. His coaches had nothing to do with that.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
This is how I feel. Too many people in the media must be in dynasty leagues and own Hernandez
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/aclu-concerned-aaron-hernandez-being-treated-prison-003203774.html
The American Civil Liberties Union is concerned about Aaron Hernandez's accommodations in prison as the former New England Patriots tight end waits for his murder trial to start.
In a blog post on ACLU.org, the group expresses concern about the damage being done to Hernandez as he is placed in protective custody, also known as solitary confinement – which the ACLU argues can do more damage than good. It cites international communities "that recognize solitary confinement as a form of torture."
"Regardless of what you think of
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/24088Aaron Hernandez
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/24088, it's important to take a minute and remember he has not yet been convicted — in the eyes of the law, he is still innocent until proven guilty," ACLU.org wrote. "But, while awaiting trial, he has been locked alone in a small room with little or no human interaction for over 20 hours a day."
Hernandez could be waiting many months for his trial to begin. Some believe it could take a year. He was denied bail, and then denied again on appeal with the judge citing the strength of the prosecution's evidence and the risk of Hernandez fleeing. He was reportedly being kept away from the general prison population for his safety. The ACLU worries about him being kept in a cell the "size of a parking spot."
The ACLU discusses the "debilitating psychological effects" when a prisoner is extremely isolated. The group uses Hernandez's case to bring attention to the 80,000 cases of solitary confinement of prisoners, saying that it drastically diminishes the chances of rehabilitation. It says that some studies show prisoners released from extreme isolation have higher rates of repeating criminal behavior.
Hernandez hasn't had a ton of public support since he was arrested in connection with the killing of Odin Lloyd. Former teammate Deion Branch, rapper Snoop Lion and the ACLU pretty much comprise the list now. While his former teammates with the Patriots go through the 2013 season, Hernandez will have plenty of time to think about his circumstances in less-than-ideal conditions. The
The American Civil Liberties Union is concerned about Aaron Hernandez's accommodations in prison as the former New England Patriots tight end waits for his murder trial to start.
In a blog post on ACLU.org, the group expresses concern about the damage being done to Hernandez as he is placed in protective custody, also known as solitary confinement – which the ACLU argues can do more damage than good. It cites international communities "that recognize solitary confinement as a form of torture."
"Regardless of what you think of
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/24088Aaron Hernandez
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/24088, it's important to take a minute and remember he has not yet been convicted — in the eyes of the law, he is still innocent until proven guilty," ACLU.org wrote. "But, while awaiting trial, he has been locked alone in a small room with little or no human interaction for over 20 hours a day."
Hernandez could be waiting many months for his trial to begin. Some believe it could take a year. He was denied bail, and then denied again on appeal with the judge citing the strength of the prosecution's evidence and the risk of Hernandez fleeing. He was reportedly being kept away from the general prison population for his safety. The ACLU worries about him being kept in a cell the "size of a parking spot."
The ACLU discusses the "debilitating psychological effects" when a prisoner is extremely isolated. The group uses Hernandez's case to bring attention to the 80,000 cases of solitary confinement of prisoners, saying that it drastically diminishes the chances of rehabilitation. It says that some studies show prisoners released from extreme isolation have higher rates of repeating criminal behavior.
Hernandez hasn't had a ton of public support since he was arrested in connection with the killing of Odin Lloyd. Former teammate Deion Branch, rapper Snoop Lion and the ACLU pretty much comprise the list now. While his former teammates with the Patriots go through the 2013 season, Hernandez will have plenty of time to think about his circumstances in less-than-ideal conditions. The
KCitons
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I have a feeling this is just the start of his lawyers trying to spin this into Hernandez being a victim. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a nice donation by Hernandez's lawyers to the ACLU, before this was wrote. Next he will have former gang members or current that will testify how he tried to get out but couldn't and if he didn't go through with the murder his life and family's life would be at risk. Next there will be an expert saying he isn't fit to stand trial because he isn't all there mentally from being confined in such a small area for so long awaiting trial, and another expert testifying that it is the courts fault for keeping a man in that cell when you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.
Faust
MVP
EA Sports removes Aaron Hernandez from Madden 14, NCAA 14
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GregR
Footballguy
People asking about Hernandez's incidents at UF has brought up so many other non-Hernandez incidents. It has illuminated how bad of a program Meyer was running.
I don't think Meyer is responsible for what Hernandez did. I also think the bulk of the criticism Meyer is getting now isn't really Hernandez-specific, but is tied to the shoddy discipline and/or ethics his program had. If it wasn't for that there wouldn't be a story.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Whoes lost more sponsers these past 2 weeks, Hernandez or Paula Deen.
Can anyone be more guilty before its proven in a court of law, this has become a witch trial.
Can anyone be more guilty before its proven in a court of law, this has become a witch trial.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I really don't want to defend Urban Meyer at all, but the reporting on this has been terrible IMO.
The article above where they included arrests of players after they had already left UF is a pretty obvious example of padding the numbers. Even in the other article where they stick to arrests at UF, they fail to give us any context at all. How do those numbers compare to other D1 mens' programs, other BCS football teams or even the general student population?
They also don't do any breakdown of how many of the arrests were minor things like open container or underage drinking vs how many were for more serious offenses.
Finally, they include arrests of players who were kicked off the team as part of their indictment of Meyer (ex: Cam Newton). I'm pretty sure kicking someone off the team is the ultimate discipline a football coach has available.
GregR
Footballguy
I'm not clear on what you mean here. Are you saying a company who pays someone to provide a good image for their company as a spokesman shouldn't be allowed to exercise their contract rights to end it when the person no longer has a good public image?
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