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Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (2 Viewers)
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massraider
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Gustavo Fring
Footballguy
AH's hit list just got about 12 names longer. Glad to see he didn't skate.
Pots
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Shutout
Footballguy
Is that your thought on how it SHOULD go or is that how it works in Mass.? Yeah, the civil case should give a ton to Odin's family but any left over, would seem fitting, to set aside a trust for educational purposes for any offspring but also set aside an amount to pay for his 25 year old self being in jail for life. That is a LONG haul.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
If his sentence is life without parole and there is no death penalty. Why doesn't he just start killing everybody in prison.
VarsityBlues123
Footballguy
Hernandez got what he deserved, i say that because im about to lay into the jury.
they have said time after time that they are not going to discuss what happened in the jury room, if you are not there to discuss that there isnt much to hear. the jury is obviously drooling for camera time and their 15 minutes from how they are taking this interview. laughing after sending a man away for killing another man does not seem like something i would be laughing about on camera either with the number of lives that were changed from this. seeing who the jury members were and my perception, they got the right verdict but they do not seem like a bright group of people.
just my perception from this group interview.
they have said time after time that they are not going to discuss what happened in the jury room, if you are not there to discuss that there isnt much to hear. the jury is obviously drooling for camera time and their 15 minutes from how they are taking this interview. laughing after sending a man away for killing another man does not seem like something i would be laughing about on camera either with the number of lives that were changed from this. seeing who the jury members were and my perception, they got the right verdict but they do not seem like a bright group of people.
just my perception from this group interview.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Jury debrief/interview was interesting.
Interesting bit at end was how they still don't know the time of Odin Lloyd's death - and the juror said that he found it interesting that Hernandez definitively said that he was at a club at the time of the murder. If the medical examiner couldn't pinpoint that how could Hernnandez know where he was when the murder happened. (Unstated by juror is that the closing statement of course put Hernandez at murder scene.)
-QG
Interesting bit at end was how they still don't know the time of Odin Lloyd's death - and the juror said that he found it interesting that Hernandez definitively said that he was at a club at the time of the murder. If the medical examiner couldn't pinpoint that how could Hernnandez know where he was when the murder happened. (Unstated by juror is that the closing statement of course put Hernandez at murder scene.)
-QG
cliffhuxtible
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Juries are rarely a bright bunch of people. I have served twice, and came away both times feeling very happy I've never had to face a jury. I think the best you can hope for is one or two people capable of critical thinking who won't cower when the majority says things like "he just looks guilty" and "I am not going to miss another day of work."
Obviously this was a bigger trial than most, but I was shocked at how few of my fellow jurors even understood what we were trying to discern.
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PinkydaPimp
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I mean, i wasnt privy to what evidence the jury saw, and im prejudiced because i along with everyone else had access to additional information that they couldnt use to make a decision. I think he did it so being that he was convicted i think they got it right. I was surprised to see them convict based on the evidence i saw presented however. But i cant say they got it wrong because i think he is guilty.
Doug B
Footballguy
Jurors sure don't seem worried about it
Wasn't expecting them to get in front of cameras quite so soon.
Dr. Octopus
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
This is pretty much exactly what I said at the time. Why admit to being there and witnessing the murder? There are basically three things to prove in a joint venture charge. One, was the defendant there, two, was a crime committed, and three did the defendant conspire or participate. The defense basically admitted to the first two in their closing argument by admitting that AH was there and witnessed the murder. It was not a great leap for jurors to find that he conspired from there.
IMO, a better strategy for the defense was to throw out possible explanations as to what happened. Maybe Hernandez like to jog around his neighborhood and there were leftover footprints from his morning jog. Maybe the four men came home together and dropped AH at his house and the other 3 alone went to the industrial park in the car AH had rented and acted alone. Maybe AH stayed in the car when Lloyd and one of the others went to take a whiz at the end of the road at the industrial park. Anything along those lines (even if untrue or not really believable) might resonate and create some doubt in one of the jurors. But saying that he was there and witnessed what happened IMO just makes him look more guilty.
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The "just riding along" defense would contend the other defendant(s) were not a part of the joint venture, because they lacked the intent and/or the knowledge components.
Bob Magaw
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They got the Manson family and Night Stalker right, but do seem to have trouble with celeb cases (Robert Blake got off, Phil Spector took a second trial for a conviction after an initial hung jury). The OJ prosecution was incompetent, Bugliosi (Manson trial prosecutor) would have had a better chance of a conviction, especially if the venue was left in Santa Monica, where it should have been.
AH is a sociopath and serial killer that needs to be off the street, period.
Two other murders, shot a guy in the face and left for dead/attempted murder, investigated shooting when he was in college at Florida, assault in jail, plus a terrorist threat of murder against a guard, that we know about. Wouldn't be a surprise if there were other shootings or even murders, that we don't know about*.
Has an NFL player ever received life in prison for murder, WHILE ACTIVE?
* The behaviour of the flunkies kinda didn't sound like it was their first rodeo, either.
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PinkydaPimp
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how many people do we think he has actually killed in addition to Odin? there's the 2 in the other trial. Wasnt there suspicion of at least one down in florida?
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Rae Carruth is projected to get out in 2018 - but he wasn't convicted of Murder 1.
This guy did a murder while playing for the Barcelona Dragons - was convicted a decade and a half later though:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Naposki
-QG
This guy did a murder while playing for the Barcelona Dragons - was convicted a decade and a half later though:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Naposki
-QG
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Darryl Henley comes close - I think he was convicted for trying to arrange the murder of a judge related to this case.
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-01-28/local/me-25317_1_darryl-henley
Side note - Henley's attorney was noneother than Roger Cossack who is a legal talking head for ESPN.
-QG
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-01-28/local/me-25317_1_darryl-henley
Side note - Henley's attorney was noneother than Roger Cossack who is a legal talking head for ESPN.
-QG
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Maybe some Jody Arias conjugal visits can be arranged.I heard Lawrence Phillips needs a new roommate.
Pretty sure the Aryans, Bloods/Crips frown on murdering their own, might call for a shiv maximal demotion.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
When he was shakng his head after the verdict was announced, it wasn't in disbelief that the jury got it wrong.
AH thought balloon: Note to Self- Maybe I should have turned the home surveillance cameras off BEFORE murdering somebody a few blocks from home and waving a gun around like Scarface immediately before and after?
AH thought balloon: Note to Self- Maybe I should have turned the home surveillance cameras off BEFORE murdering somebody a few blocks from home and waving a gun around like Scarface immediately before and after?
Mookie
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That's an incredibly high bar, especially considering the experience and cost of his defense team - this wasn't some overburdened 25 year old public defender who flunked the bar 3 times. In order to walk because his attorney was incompetent, he'll have to prove (1) incompetency AND (2) that the jury would've found him not guilty but for that incompetent representation. Good luck with that Aaron.
BroadwayG
Footballguy
Smart people get out of jury duty
They should start paying 70k per year equivalent to be on a jury.
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Bob Magaw
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Bob Magaw
Footballguy
True story - the one jury I was on, the foreman was the seismologist dude from Cal Tech that comes on camera after an earthquake in and around LA.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Yes this is exactly the problem. When i did jury duty last everyone had an excuse as to why they couldn't do it. Half the people who ended up on the jury had no interest in being there and wanted it over as fast as possible.
VarsityBlues123
Footballguy
just my opinion after watching the interview that the prosecution looked to get the dumbest jury possible. this group of people couldlt look or act any more ignorant in front of the camera. im not judging them as people in their lives but as jurors from the little i saw of them they really looked like they were the stereotype and too dumb to get out of jury duty. i think one woman had a side pony tail. i mean if she doesnt realize that hair style is out of whack how can she really determine the meaning of law.
i still think they got the verdict right by default but im thinking the big picture of juries and how it isnt hard for them to get things so wrong.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
How Hernandez could have pulled this off:
- Don't leave the keys in Lloyd's pocket to a rental car in your own name
- Don't leave a ganja blunt at the scene
- Don't leave spent shell casings in your rental car
- Don't leave your home surveillance system on and then do a poor job of destroying it later, it has a power cord
- Don't let your attorney admit you were at the scene
- Don't let your intended victim text out minutes before you intend to whack him. A $500 unit seems like chump change when you have a $40MM contract.
- Don't leave weapons and drugs in your house for mystery box removal
Kool-Aid Larry
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wouldn't the shark move here be to fire your lawyers and just defend yourself at this next one to save a few bucks?
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Johnny Bing
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ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
They came to the right conclusion. Based on the evidence there is a 95%+ chance he was involved, that's beyond reasonable doubt.
The few tidbits we've heard from them don't sound that good but they had all the evidence. How can anyone be disappointed with their decision?
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The same joint venture rules apply, so if they finger AH they will need to come up with a plausible explanation as to why they did nothing while Hernandez did everything. Participating in = murder in Massachusetts.
Since everyone was so focused on Hernandez, we don't really know what physical evidence places Ortiz and Wallace at the scene and what the police found elsewhere. Given that Hernandez has blown through his money and has a lot more legal proceedings to get through, one would think these two won't have as high a pedigree in terms of legal representation (not that it helped AH that much).
I think another interesting question will be if they elect to testify at Hernandez' appeal hearing or other murder trial (if that could get them a reduced sentence).
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Old Smiley
Footballguy
Old joke from a Playboy mag:
Head Juror: Guilty, your Honor. We figure where there's smoke, there's fire.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
isn't hernandez already in jail for life?
I don't really understand what his accomplices have to offer the da
I don't really understand what his accomplices have to offer the da
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
lol, but in this case there is tons of evidence putting him at the scene (his lawyers actually admitted that). Then they have him on videotape waving around a gun and imprints of his shoe at the murder scene.
Obviously there is tons of other evidence as well. I just don't see how anyone can bash the jury for finding him guilty.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Hernandez still gets his automatic appeal and still has his double murder to fight. If the two goons from the single murder come clean and say AH really was the trigger man, they might get Murder 2 or Manslaughter and be out in 15-20 years. The prosecution then has way more to work with in both cases and potentially saves the government tons of money. Unless Ortiz and Wallace feel that they would get rubbed out, it makes sense for them. It may not make as much sense for the state, however.
GregR
Footballguy
The key part for Hernandez will be the key part for them as well. The state has to either convince the jury they pulled the trigger, or they had knowledge of the intent.
So their defense would be what Hernandez tried to do with the PCP defense... saying someone else did it (AH) and that they didn't know what he was planning.
It would get really interesting if Hernandez figures he won't win an appeal, so he testifies for his homies in their trials that he was the gunman and they didn't know what, or help in, what he planned. Note, I think the odds of that are miniscule, he'll cling to any hope in an appeal. But the situation has some interesting possibilities.
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Banger
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